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Posted: 1/3/2021 3:43:52 AM EDT
I just noticed ( guess I’m behind the times lately) a few Turkish Benelli M4 clones on the market and was curious if anyone has compared them to see which one is the better of the offerings. What are the differences, if any?
Toros Copolla T4 Sulun Arms Tac 12 Canuck Operator Komando P4 CD 601 DPS Thanks AKM |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 10:22:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Oldgold]
[#1]
Links?
There was a thread here about a week or two ago. But I forgot the gun they linked. Reviews were good. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 12:12:38 PM EDT
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Get your credit card ready
https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/Charles-Daly-601-DPS-Opinions-/1-518419/ |
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Posted: 1/4/2021 12:52:23 AM EDT
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Based on my research, many of those are likely the Sulun Arms copy with some generational differences. So far we’ve only gotten the Toros and the Charles Daly 601 DPS in the US.
From what I can tell, the CD 601 DPS is in-between the Generation 1 and 2 designs from Sulun, though much closer to the Gen 2. The Gen 2 is 100% M4 clone down to the recoil tube and stock. The Gen 1 is an almost clone, different recoil tube, mostly parts compatible, but the bolt release is positioned too far back on the receiver. The CD guns have the newer receiver design married with the different recoil tube. You can direct swap the recoil tube for a Benelli one and all other Benelli parts fit. I’ve been trying to track down the original Turkish-style adjustable stock for their recoil tube with no luck so far. I did find that Toros is literally around the corner from the Sulun factory though. Turkish companies are a total cluster to sort through but I would be surprised if the Toros guns are an “upmarket” subsidiary for Sulun or a partner that sources parts from Sulun for their own upscale builds. All that said, most of the so-called Turknelli clones get pretty solid reviews around the world. To the surprise of most folks they run cheap birdshot in most cases right out of the box, or possibly after a short break-in period. I’d always wanted a Benelli M4 but never could swallow the full price given I’m not a shotgun guy. So this was an excellent gateway drug to them. 
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Posted: 1/4/2021 7:16:50 AM EDT
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I have the 601 DPS and so far I am pleased with it.
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Posted: 1/4/2021 3:33:06 PM EDT
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The Charles Daly 601 DPS is what I have. Got it from kygunco.com for $549 shipped about a month ago. The Benelli M4 cost a little more than I was wanting to spend at the moment. So far, the 601 has digested #7, slugs and 00 buck without fail. I threw a sling on it and it resides inside the fireplace mantle.
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Posted: 1/5/2021 5:16:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: alphagunner]
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Classic firearms now has a M4 clone called Panzer Arms M4 in stock.https://www.classicfirearms.com/panzer-arms-m4-semi-automatic-tactical-12-ga-shotgun-3-5rd-inertia-driven-black/
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Posted: 1/5/2021 11:54:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By alphagunner: Classic firearms now has a M4 clone called Panzer Arms M4 in stock.https://www.classicfirearms.com/panzer-arms-m4-semi-automatic-tactical-12-ga-shotgun-3-5rd-inertia-driven-black/ Ha, they even engraved "m4" in the same spot. I like the bolt finish. Enlarged Toros-style winter trigger guard. Goofy looking mag extension - can't tell if it's one or two piece. Wonder what recoil spring tube is under the stock? They put a video out on it, Clint gushing over it like he does with everything else. But it ran perfectly. More options are definitely welcome, hell, if it has the Benelli recoil tube I might buy another one.
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CT, USA
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Posted: 1/6/2021 9:10:04 AM EDT
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I saw on GB the other day, a Benelli M3 "clone" made by Tristar, I believe it is the model "Tec 12".
Price seems to be in the 500-700 range, which is less than half of a new Benelli M3, and almost half of what I paid for my used '92 HK marked M3 (paid $1,100 + tax). Definitely not as pretty (in my opinion) as a legit M3, but looks are secondary, and I'd be willing to overlook that for the price (provided it ran as it should). https://www.shootingillustrated.com/articles/2017/12/28/review-tristar-tec-12-shotgun/ 
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Posted: 1/7/2021 6:42:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: M60-E4]
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Received my Toros Copolla T4 today. Shot over 100 rounds through it today ( 00 Buck - both standard and low recoil) and slugs. The gun shot 100% with all 3 types of ammo I tested and just as smooth as my Friend’s Benelli M4. We did a nice compare of the guns and fit finish of the guns were extremely close. I felt the Benelli had a better overall finish on the receiver, barrel , and tube and it seemed ever so slightly a smoother action but not for X2 or X3 the price. We didn’t go as far the compare the stock tube as his has a collapsible and mine a a full stock with pistol grip. We will do that later to see what it would take to swap stocks. I chose the Toros T4 over the other models ( while a little more expensive ) as I read a few reviews where the CD 601 DPS has some feeding/ function issues and I also like the larger trigger guard for use with gloves. Now others here have had great results with their CDs so in no way am I saying anything negative about the CD guns.
The Toros is a few hundred dollars more than the other clone offerings and I can’t really say why. I’m sure they are probably made by the same people or on the same block in Turkey. I may have paid extra for no reason but it’s a chance I took. I’m very pleased with the shotgun and how well it has performed in the very short term. So far I’ve replaced the charging handle with a GG&G. I also have a few other parts incoming to get me to the 922r compliant with a full 7rd tube. The pics below are right off the range and I haven’t cleaned it so the smudges on the receiver are not part of the finish. The gun has very nice and even finish.                 
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Posted: 1/8/2021 8:43:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Joescuba]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M60-E4: Received my Toros Copolla T4 today. Shot over 100 rounds through it today ( 00 Buck - both standard and low recoil) and slugs. The gun shot 100% with all 3 types of ammo I tested and just as smooth as my Friend’s Benelli M4. We did a nice compare of the guns and fit finish of the guns were extremely close. I felt the Benelli had a better overall finish on the receiver, barrel , and tube and it seemed ever so slightly a smoother action but not for X2 or X3 the price. We didn’t go as far the compare the stock tube as his has a collapsible and mine a a full stock with pistol grip. We will do that later to see what it would take to swap stocks. I chose the Toros T4 over the other models ( while a little more expensive ) as I read a few reviews where the CD 601 DPS has some feeding/ function issues and I also like the larger trigger guard for use with gloves. Now others here have had great results with their CDs so in no way am I saying anything negative about the CD guns. The Toros is a few hundred dollars more than the other clone offerings and I can’t really say why. I’m sure they are probably made by the same people or on the same block in Turkey. I may have paid extra for no reason but it’s a chance I took. I’m very pleased with the shotgun and how well it has performed in the very short term. So far I’ve replaced the charging handle with a GG&G. I also have a few other parts incoming to get me to the 922r compliant with a full 7rd tube. The pics below are right off the range and I haven’t cleaned it so the smudges on the receiver are not part of the finish. The gun has very nice and even finish. https://i.imgur.com/uIoSgWJ.jpg https://i.imgur.com/vSwcBdr.jpg https://i.imgur.com/G5cluIF.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/bHHNCuC.jpg https://i.imgur.com/80Ufudo.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/HAPG5IN.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/9QwwaZk.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/a5dmHfd.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/l7ocWBY.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/3FwbkCY.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/ISt5iWI.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/TEkv1H8.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/w0jnlUb.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/J0eZwVU.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/taXbqw4.jpg https://i.imgur.com/zVk3qId.jpg https://i.imgur.com/klWwqoK.jpg Very nice. I love mine. The Dave's Metal Works 7 shot tube matches the finish. I had no problems with the factory 5 shot tube coming out. I wish the importer would bring in the Copolla factory T-4 collapsing stock. It has an adjustable check piece. The Benelli stock isn't worth the money imo. Regards. |
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Posted: 1/8/2021 9:37:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: G-CODE]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M60-E4: Is that a metal trigger guard? I know my 601 has a plastic one which really isn't a big deal, I'm just curious. And does the windage adjustment on the rear sight have the "detents" like a real M4? |
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Posted: 1/8/2021 5:47:27 PM EDT
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Yes... my trigger guard is metal. My rear sight doesn’t have detents.
Here are some chamber pics after a quick cleans.   |
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Posted: 1/9/2021 11:55:05 AM EDT
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It would be interesting to hear if oem or custom Benelli parts will fit.
May be its even made in the same factory as the Stoeger´s I like to hear more. Cheers |
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Posted: 1/9/2021 5:01:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: M60-E4]
[#14]
Ok.....got my.....
1. DM 7 round tube 2. NDZ Performance Follower 3. USA Handguards Am I correct this gets me to my 10 imported parts so I’m 922r compliant? Also, what Choke is the best to use for 90% 00 Buck ? Thanks!!! |
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Posted: 1/9/2021 6:52:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M60-E4: Am I correct this gets me to my 10 imported parts so I'm 922r compliant? Also, what Choke is the best to use for 90% 00 Buck ? BATFE is the official word on parts count though, so you might want to ask them if no one has already been answered regarding this particular model. I typically use IC for buckshot, but you'll want to pattern your gun and its chokes with your buckshot and see how it performs with each. |
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Posted: 1/9/2021 7:00:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: KitBuilder]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheGunner: It would be interesting to hear if oem or custom Benelli parts will fit. I'd want to put a C-stock on it (if that fits). It looks really good. I'm tempted. The biggest problem I have with obscure imported guns is that once they're discontinued (or redesigned), which typically occurs after about 5 years, no replacement parts are available. Sometimes it's challenging to obtain replacement parts even while they're still in production. |
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Posted: 1/9/2021 8:29:29 PM EDT
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The Charles Daly is a 100% Benelli clone with the exception of the factory recoil spring tube being their own design. A Benelli recoil spring tube will fit if you have the desire to use a Benelli fixed stock, Mesa stock, or the Benelli (unicorn) c-stock.
It’s definitely been loctited on and will need melted off. 3 US parts for fixed stock, 4 for c-stock since the stock and grip are separate units. Kinda piggy backing off the Benelli 922r letters since they are identical. You could send a letter to the ATF if you really wanted but folks don’t really do that for every AK or FAL build, for example. |
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Posted: 1/9/2021 8:40:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: M60-E4]
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Took a little heat but the tube came off. It definitely had a good bit of loctite holding it in place.
1. DM 7 round tube 2. NDZ Performance Follower 3. USA Handguards 4. Swampfox Kingslayer 5. Streamlight TLR-1   
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/14/2021 9:29:38 AM EDT
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They all look pretty much the same. I think im going to order one probably the panzer arms one.
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NM, USA
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Posted: 1/15/2021 11:58:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M60-E4: Took a little heat but the tube came off. It definitely had a good bit of loctite holding it in place. 1. DM 7 round tube 2. NDZ Performance Follower 3. USA Handguards 4. Swampfox Kingslayer 5. Streamlight TLR-1 Who makes the OEM style USA handguards? |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 1/15/2021 12:27:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ninja99: Who makes the OEM style USA handguards? Freedom Fighter Tactical (made in the US) is one place Benelliparts.net sells original Benelli parts. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/15/2021 12:29:38 PM EDT
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Do any of these clones have the ability to use oem benelli stocks?
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Posted: 1/15/2021 1:02:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By awd_xtc: Do any of these clones have the ability to use oem benelli stocks? They do but you will need to change out the stock tube for the Benelli tube. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 1/15/2021 1:03:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ninja99: Who makes the OEM style USA handguards? https://freedomfightertactical.com/collections/m4/products/the-freedom-fighter-tactical-922-compliant-forend-for-the-benelli-m4-shotgun-black |
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NM, USA
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Posted: 1/15/2021 2:40:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556_Chowder: They do but you will need to change out the stock tube for the Benelli tube. Has it been confirmed that the Toros has a different recoil tube? The only mention of a different recoil tube I saw above was in reference to the 601 DPS. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/15/2021 2:57:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556_Chowder: They do but you will need to change out the stock tube for the Benelli tube. As in the recoil spring tube? |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 1/15/2021 4:30:18 PM EDT
[#27]
I saw a m3 copy this week in the wild. It was branded "Best Arms.". It had a plastic rear sight which stood out to me but looked good otherwise. Do these also have plastic sights? The price was $399 and the shop had birdshot and turkey loads.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 1/15/2021 4:36:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ninja99: Has it been confirmed that the Toros has a different recoil tube? The only mention of a different recoil tube I saw above was in reference to the 601 DPS. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ninja99: Originally Posted By 556_Chowder: They do but you will need to change out the stock tube for the Benelli tube. Has it been confirmed that the Toros has a different recoil tube? The only mention of a different recoil tube I saw above was in reference to the 601 DPS. My apologies. The only one actually confirmed is the 601 DPS. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 6:03:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Joescuba]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mo_mauser: I saw a m3 copy this week in the wild. It was branded "Best Arms.". It had a plastic rear sight which stood out to me but looked good otherwise. Do these also have plastic sights? The price was $399 and the shop had birdshot and turkey loads. I have a T-4. It has a steel rear sight. I was told by the factory and the importer that it uses a recoil tube like the M-4 Benelli. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 6:50:03 PM EDT
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This thread is about to cost me some money. Does anyone have a recommendation of one of the clones over the others? Or are they all the same just rebranded?
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/15/2021 8:41:59 PM EDT
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Ive been researching these pretty hard the past few days. To me they are mostly the same with a few small exceptions. I think the t4, the panzer and the sulun tac 12 look the most accurate. If i can put my m4 collapsing stock or in this case faux collapsing stock from my limited edition m4 on one vs another, even if i have yo replace a few parts that would be a tie breaker for me
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Posted: 1/15/2021 8:47:07 PM EDT
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I want one of these to put a Benelli collapsible stock on as well.
May consider SBS too. These are neat! |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/15/2021 9:02:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Norinco982lover: I want one of these to put a Benelli collapsible stock on as well. May consider SBS too. These are neat! Wait...you can get them in sbs? |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 12:35:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Norinco982lover]
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By awd_xtc: Wait...you can get them in sbs? If I send it to rose action sports and get a form 1 I can haha. Sorry, didn’t mean to confuse. I think I’m going to order the sulun tac12 from Lockhart. Price is too good. Edit: and Lockhart is in Canada. Have to find it somewhere else. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 12:51:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: KitBuilder]
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Are the Turkish clones offered as a SBS in any country?
I didn't see any SBS config on the Sulun Arms website. This Sk-306 seems to be the daddy. https://sulunarms.com/sk-306-semi-automatic-rifle.html |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 9:44:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Norinco982lover: If I send it to rose action sports and get a form 1 I can haha. Sorry, didn’t mean to confuse. I think I’m going to order the sulun tac12 from Lockhart. Price is too good. Is Lockhart legit? I was looking at them yesterday and read some bad reviews about their customer service. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 9:52:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Findsman: Based on my research, many of those are likely the Sulun Arms copy with some generational differences. So far we've only gotten the Toros and the Charles Daly 601 DPS in the US. From what I can tell, the CD 601 DPS is in-between the Generation 1 and 2 designs from Sulun, though much closer to the Gen 2. The Gen 2 is 100% M4 clone down to the recoil tube and stock. The Gen 1 is an almost clone, different recoil tube, mostly parts compatible, but the bolt release is positioned too far back on the receiver. The CD guns have the newer receiver design married with the different recoil tube. You can direct swap the recoil tube for a Benelli one and all other Benelli parts fit. I've been trying to track down the original Turkish-style adjustable stock for their recoil tube with no luck so far. I did find that Toros is literally around the corner from the Sulun factory though. Turkish companies are a total cluster to sort through but I would be surprised if the Toros guns are an "upmarket" subsidiary for Sulun or a partner that sources parts from Sulun for their own upscale builds. All that said, most of the so-called Turknelli clones get pretty solid reviews around the world. To the surprise of most folks they run cheap birdshot in most cases right out of the box, or possibly after a short break-in period. I'd always wanted a Benelli M4 but never could swallow the full price given I'm not a shotgun guy. So this was an excellent gateway drug to them. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 11:46:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Norinco982lover]
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cdholmes: Is Lockhart legit? I was looking at them yesterday and read some bad reviews about their customer service. They’re probably a drop shipper. So no idea. Edit: didn’t realize they weren’t inside the US border so that’s a no go. Edit 2: what recoil assembly does the copolla t4 have? Or the panzer? I’m tempted to try the panzer over the Charles Daly just due to the chance of a different recoil assembly under that stock and the chrome bolt |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:05:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Norinco982lover: They’re probably a drop shipper. So no idea. Edit: didn’t realize they weren’t inside the US border so that’s a no go. Edit 2: what recoil assembly does the copolla t4 have? Or the panzer? I’m tempted to try the panzer over the Charles Daly just due to the chance of a different recoil assembly under that stock and the chrome bolt Id like to know that myself but there are not many reviews especially on the panzer. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:27:23 PM EDT
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I just found this article where is says the toros T4 supposedly has 100% parts interchangeability
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/gun-review-toros-copolla-t4-tactical-shotgun/ |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:31:33 PM EDT
[#41]
Can't speak specifically to the clone but I have a Tristar Viper G2 and it has been through some terrible conditions in South Dakota hunting pheasants and has worked without a hiccup. For my friends looking for a semi shotgun on a budget, it's my first suggestion.
Two other friends have them with zero issues, but have only shot clays with them. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:06:21 AM EDT
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Mustafo Toros did reply to my email asking if they use the same recoil assembly for the stock.
Hello thank you for your interest. We are using the same pattertn with benelli. We are no ablento send collapsable stock since it is not allowed to be imported into usa. You can buy ours, you will like it:))) Could you please share the links where our shotguns are being sold. We are sending to our distrubitors not to the delaers. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:30:14 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Norinco982lover: Mustafo Toros did reply to my email asking if they use the same recoil assembly for the stock. They (manufacturer) told me everything was the same, including the recoil tube. They told me their stock work just like Benelli's. Their stock is better than Benelli's stock. They will not ship that stock to the USA. I wish the importer would bring them in. The importer told me a Benelli stock will work and to just buy one of those. I just don't feel like paying that kind of money for a Benelli stock. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:31:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Norinco982lover]
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Joescuba: They (manufacturer) told me everything was the same, including the recoil tube. They told me their stock work just like Benelli's. Their stock is better than Benelli's stock. They will not ship that stock to the USA. I wish the importer would bring them in. The importer told me a Benelli stock will work and to just buy one of those. I just don't feel like paying that kind of money for a Benelli stock. I wonder if we can get some from Canada. They’ve had the guns for awhile longer than us and can’t all like the collapsing stock. I also wonder if the panzer m4 is the same as the copolla. Haven’t been able to find anyone who has received theirs yet. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:04:32 PM EDT
[#45]
Im thinking panzer or sulun tac 12. The toros is nice but its almost double the cost of the others
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:12:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Norinco982lover]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By awd_xtc: Im thinking panzer or sulun tac 12. The toros is nice but its almost double the cost of the others I can’t find the sulun in the US yet. The toros is around $785 shipped on gunbroker I think. The panzer is $620ish shipped with taxes from classic. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 1/17/2021 3:34:01 PM EDT
[#47]
I w had my hands on the Four Peaks Capola. Just awesome. I’ll be picking one up shortly. As well as the extended tube. Fit finish were great.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 4:43:02 PM EDT
[#48]
This vs the Stoeger M3000 Freedom Series at same price? What would ya'll choose?
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Posted: 1/17/2021 4:55:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: KitBuilder]
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nord: This vs the Stoeger M3000 Freedom Series at same price? What would ya'll choose? |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 6:34:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KitBuilder: I'm choosing M4 clone because of the gas system (and the nominal ability to accept a collapsible stock). Forgot that m4 is gas, ha. yeah makes sense why the Stoeger wasn't mentioned. I'm going for light weight and simplicity so I think the M3000 better for me |
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