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Posted: 11/2/2018 11:13:25 AM EDT
Which would be a better buy? I found a 2011ish example that is "new" for $1499 that still has the aluminum trigger guard or I can get a more recent example for the same money in the same condition.
I went and picked it up tonight. I don't think it really was fired or if so it wasn't much at all. The SF forend got removed and I added an Aimpoint H-1, Surefire M300C in IWC mount, BFG sling, and the standard forend. The tube is actually titanium and says "Made in USA" and under that "Titanium". I am almost positive it is this looking at the color and the markings. Date code puts it in 2009. Overall I am really happy with this setup. Now to go shoot it.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/2/2018 11:47:10 PM EDT
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Which would be a better buy? I found a 2011ish example that is "new" for $1499 that still has the aluminum trigger guard or I can get a more recent example for the same money in the same condition. Older one uses green threadlocker on mag tube. Easier to deal with. Has 2 piece mag follower (no issue), has aluminum trigger guard (a plus i think, but the both work). |
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Posted: 11/3/2018 3:41:21 AM EDT
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Older one uses green threadlocker on mag tube. Easier to deal with. Has 2 piece mag follower (no issue), has aluminum trigger guard (a plus i think, but the both work). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Which would be a better buy? I found a 2011ish example that is "new" for $1499 that still has the aluminum trigger guard or I can get a more recent example for the same money in the same condition. Older one uses green threadlocker on mag tube. Easier to deal with. Has 2 piece mag follower (no issue), has aluminum trigger guard (a plus i think, but the both work). Were any ever imported with a full capacity tube or was that always an after purchase upgrade? |
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Posted: 11/3/2018 11:34:11 AM EDT
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LE models come with the full length tube, but standard versions have the 5 round tube and the dummy extension.
I bought mine in December of 2016 and it took a good amount of time with the heat gun to loosen the copious amount of threadlocker on the factory 5 round tube. It’s an easy job to replace the tube and stock though. For the spring retainer, do yourself a favor and get a pair of snap ring pliers. |
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Posted: 11/3/2018 3:47:09 PM EDT
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LE models come with the full length tube, but standard versions have the 5 round tube and the dummy extension. I bought mine in December of 2016 and it took a good amount of time with the heat gun to loosen the copious amount of threadlocker on the factory 5 round tube. It’s an easy job to replace the tube and stock though. For the spring retainer, do yourself a favor and get a pair of snap ring pliers. The forend will have to go though as I don't want it and they seem to be pretty rare. Thanks everyone for the advice!!! |
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Posted: 11/6/2018 2:02:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/6/2018 2:03:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Older one uses green threadlocker on mag tube. Easier to deal with. Has 2 piece mag follower (no issue), has aluminum trigger guard (a plus i think, but the both work). |
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Posted: 11/6/2018 2:38:56 PM EDT
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What’s the significance of an aluminum trigger guard? My new 11707 one is aluminum too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Older one uses green threadlocker on mag tube. Easier to deal with. Has 2 piece mag follower (no issue), has aluminum trigger guard (a plus i think, but the both work). |
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Posted: 11/6/2018 2:41:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The ones that I just looked at at Scheel's on Saturday were both plastic. I don't know how much it matters, however, all things considered I'd just rather have an aluminum one. |
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Posted: 11/6/2018 2:43:52 PM EDT
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What model number was it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: The ones that I just looked at at Scheel's on Saturday were both plastic. I don't know how much it matters, however, all things considered I'd just rather have an aluminum one. |
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Posted: 11/9/2018 8:40:37 PM EDT
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LE models come with the full length tube, but standard versions have the 5 round tube and the dummy extension. I bought mine in December of 2016 and it took a good amount of time with the heat gun to loosen the copious amount of threadlocker on the factory 5 round tube. It’s an easy job to replace the tube and stock though. For the spring retainer, do yourself a favor and get a pair of snap ring pliers. |
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Posted: 11/9/2018 8:59:20 PM EDT
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I bought a new factory Benelli LE M4 11721 and it did not come with the full length 7 round tube. It was the 5 round tube with the functional +2 extension instead of the dummy (ribbed) extension. The only ones I’ve seen new with the full length single piece tube are the military M1014s. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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LE models come with the full length tube, but standard versions have the 5 round tube and the dummy extension. I bought mine in December of 2016 and it took a good amount of time with the heat gun to loosen the copious amount of threadlocker on the factory 5 round tube. It’s an easy job to replace the tube and stock though. For the spring retainer, do yourself a favor and get a pair of snap ring pliers. It doesn't have the flag on it like the M1014's do that I can see so I don't think it is one of those. I'll update this thread too when I get it. |
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Posted: 11/9/2018 9:37:47 PM EDT
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The civilian M1014s with the flag on the side never had the full length tube. They had the normal civilian 5 shot tube with the dummy ribbed extension. Also, although they had the collapsible stock, the recoil spring tube that the stock went on had different cuts on it so the stock only locked in one position. It wouldn’t lock in multiple positions like the functioning collapsible stock LE and mil versions. Strangely, most of the civilian M4s have the correct cuts on the recoil spring tube. They just aren’t sold with the collapsible stock.
If you see one with a full length one-piece mag tube, someone likely swapped it out. |
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Posted: 11/9/2018 9:44:33 PM EDT
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I didn't know that...thanks!
I'm new to Benelli so there's that. I'm thinking you are right that the tube was swapped out though but I'm not too concerned about it. It didn't look too difficult to swap out so hopefully they didn't mess it up. |
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Posted: 11/9/2018 9:46:18 PM EDT
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The civilian M1014s with the flag on the side never had the full length tube. They had the normal civilian 5 shot tube with the dummy ribbed extension. Also, although they had the collapsible stock, the recoil spring tube that the stock went on had different cuts on it so the stock only locked in one position. It wouldn’t lock in multiple positions like the functioning collapsible stock LE and mil versions. Strangely, most of the civilian M4s have the correct cuts on the recoil spring tube. They just aren’t sold with the collapsible stock. If you see one with a full length one-piece mag tube, someone likely swapped it out.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/9/2018 9:49:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LE models exist that came with fixed stocks and full length mag tubes. Mine was configured as such and the C stock was added. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/2980/ADA006CB-75B9-4765-917D-3120E601D393_jpeg-733638.JPG |
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Posted: 11/9/2018 10:11:25 PM EDT
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Here's the one I bought. Hopefully I did alright.
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Posted: 11/9/2018 11:43:22 PM EDT
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You did well enough.
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Posted: 11/9/2018 11:45:51 PM EDT
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I think you did very well (except I'd like to see the bigger pic and can't find my snipershide login).
So he said $1700 firm, and then sold it for $1499? 
Good job. 
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Posted: 11/10/2018 10:26:18 AM EDT
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I think you did very well (except I'd like to see the bigger pic and can't find my snipershide login). So he said $1700 firm, and then sold it for $1499?
Good job. |
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Posted: 11/10/2018 10:46:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No I paid $1700. The other one I was looking at was $1499. |
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Posted: 11/10/2018 12:40:07 PM EDT
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You’re talking $450 to convert to a full length tube and c stock with Benelli parts. If they are Benelli parts you did good. If it’s promag shit then you over paid a bit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: No I paid $1700. The other one I was looking at was $1499. |
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Posted: 11/10/2018 12:56:03 PM EDT
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No I paid $1700. The other one I was looking at was $1499. Interesting that he named the other 2 brands of accessory parts installed on the gun. That's called lying by omission (I'm assuming he knew about it). |
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Posted: 11/10/2018 1:05:11 PM EDT
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That's way overpriced with a promag stock. Interesting that he named the other 2 brands of accessory parts installed on the gun. That's called lying by omission (I'm assuming he knew about it). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No I paid $1700. The other one I was looking at was $1499. Interesting that he named the other 2 brands of accessory parts installed on the gun. That's called lying by omission (I'm assuming he knew about it). I'll see what he says and go from there. If it is a Promag then this will be the first time that I have been burned online. It was bound to happen at some point but I'll hold out hope that is is an OEM stock. |
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Posted: 11/10/2018 3:32:45 PM EDT
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It's a factory stock I am told so that's good.
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Posted: 11/10/2018 4:13:42 PM EDT
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Yay!
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Posted: 11/10/2018 4:28:06 PM EDT
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Yeah I feel better now.
I don't get why someone would spend $1500+ on a shotgun only to save $125 over buying the OEM stock to buy Promag 
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Posted: 11/10/2018 4:57:33 PM EDT
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Yeah I feel better now. I don't get why someone would spend $1500+ on a shotgun only to save $125 over buying the OEM stock to buy Promag |
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Posted: 11/11/2018 8:13:39 PM EDT
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I just bought NIB a LE version model 11715 . Forget what some people say about needing a break in. Straight out of the box I oiled it and swabbed the barrel out . Then I loaded it up with 1145fps birdshot . Ran perfectly. Empties flew about 2 feet out and 1325fps buck ejected about 6 feet out .
Love it . |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 11:09:57 AM EDT
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I would be concerned as to whether or not that Benelli M4 is 922(r) Compliant.
If the original owner purchased the M4 with a fixed stock, limited magazine tube and simply replaced the tube & stock ... it would not be compliant and technically illegal. If the original owner purchased it from their FFL with the collapsible stock and full length magazine tube then it's likely 922(r) Compliant. |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 11:36:42 AM EDT
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I would be concerned as to whether or not that Benelli M4 is 922(r) Compliant. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I would be concerned as to whether or not that Benelli M4 is 922(r) Compliant. If the original owner purchased the M4 with a fixed stock, limited magazine tube and simply replaced the tube & stock ... it would not be compliant and technically illegal. If a prior owner replaced the parts without complying, it would still be legal for the current owner (technically) because 922(r) only prohibits assembly, not possession. If the original owner purchased it from their FFL with the collapsible stock and full length magazine tube then it's likely 922(r) Compliant. |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 11:38:21 AM EDT
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Yeah I wasn't really concerned as there is no way to know (especially without the box) how this gun was originally configured since LE guns aren't marked in any way.
Thanks for the detailed response KitBuilder! I learned something today 
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Posted: 11/13/2018 11:02:35 PM EDT
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Added update in the OP.
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Posted: 11/13/2018 11:04:18 PM EDT
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Nice!
That's a sweet looking setup. Hope it shoots as good as it looks. Enjoy it!
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Posted: 11/13/2018 11:15:47 PM EDT
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I would be concerned as to whether or not that Benelli M4 is 922(r) Compliant. If the original owner purchased the M4 with a fixed stock, limited magazine tube and simply replaced the tube & stock ... it would not be compliant and technically illegal. If the original owner purchased it from their FFL with the collapsible stock and full length magazine tube then it's likely 922(r) Compliant. |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 11:25:13 PM EDT
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Nice!
That's a sweet looking setup. Hope it shoots as good as it looks. Enjoy it! I did check for fun and it does take 7 of those Rio shells that I linked to earlier. I hand cycled them all with the safety on (which is a b!tch due to that shell feed feature) and it seemed smooth. I may swing by my parents farm while I'm in the area on Thursday and put some rounds thru it. I did also find that on the middle position the Aimpoint is perfect for me while all the way out the irons would be best. |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 11:49:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks!! I did check for fun and it does take 7 of those Rio shells that I linked to earlier. I hand cycled them all with the safety on (which is a b!tch due to that shell feed feature) and it seemed smooth. I may swing by my parents farm while I'm in the area on Thursday and put some rounds thru it. I did also find that on the middle position the Aimpoint is perfect for me while all the way out the irons would be best. |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 11:58:39 PM EDT
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That’s why the c stocks are so nice. The fixed stock is long but fine for irons. When you use the middle position on the c stock you really need an optic though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Thanks!! I did check for fun and it does take 7 of those Rio shells that I linked to earlier. I hand cycled them all with the safety on (which is a b!tch due to that shell feed feature) and it seemed smooth. I may swing by my parents farm while I'm in the area on Thursday and put some rounds thru it. I did also find that on the middle position the Aimpoint is perfect for me while all the way out the irons would be best. It appears that if I wanted to use the longest position then I would probably want to install the Scalarworks Aimpoint mount or else I would have to use a chin weld
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Posted: 11/14/2018 12:55:00 AM EDT
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I just found out it has a tritium font sight too when I looked down towards it in the dark and the font was glowing
ETA: Disregard as they are just luminescent it appears. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 1:18:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup I see that now. It appears that if I wanted to use the longest position then I would probably want to install the Scalarworks Aimpoint mount or else I would have to use a chin weld |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 6:13:45 PM EDT
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I went and shot the gun this afternoon. Between a friend and I we put 150rds +/- of everything from full power buckshot and slugs down to 8 shot Walmart bulk pack thru it with zero issues.
I even just started randomly mixing load types in the tube just because but it just kept chugging. I'm very impressed. My shoulder showed no signs of getting sore but I had to get back to work. The only thing I didn't do was ghost load at full capacity because I need to watch the little video on how to do it again. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 6:55:58 PM EDT
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I went and shot the gun this afternoon. Between a friend and I we put 150rds +/- of everything from full power buckshot and slugs down to 8 shot Walmart bulk pack thru it with zero issues. I even just started randomly mixing load types in the tube just because but it just kept chugging. I'm very impressed. My shoulder showed no signs of getting sore but I had to get back to work. The only thing I didn't do was ghost load at full capacity because I need to watch the little video on how to do it again. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 6:59:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ghost loading is super easy. Top off the mag tube. Pull the bolt to the rear and let it move forward 1/2” until the shell lifter comes up. While holding the bolt steady ouch the lifter down with your free hand, drop a shell onto it, and another in the chamber. Let bolt close. It’s easier to do than to type out. Just gotta let the bolt come forward enough to watch the lifter come all the way up and then you can push it back down. I was actually impressed that the recoil wasn't really bad even with the full power slugs and buckshot. Much, much better than with my 590A1. |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 1:48:02 PM EDT
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I wouldn’t (other than maybe for price negotiation purposes). Incorrect. If a prior owner replaced the parts without complying, it would still be legal for the current owner (technically) because 922(r) only prohibits assembly, not possession. No, it’s likely exempt from 922(r) because it was a LE gun. (All LE guns are permanently exempt pursuant to 18 USC 925). This is the source of all factory-configured non-compliant Benelli shotguns. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would be concerned as to whether or not that Benelli M4 is 922(r) Compliant. If the original owner purchased the M4 with a fixed stock, limited magazine tube and simply replaced the tube & stock ... it would not be compliant and technically illegal. If a prior owner replaced the parts without complying, it would still be legal for the current owner (technically) because 922(r) only prohibits assembly, not possession. If the original owner purchased it from their FFL with the collapsible stock and full length magazine tube then it's likely 922(r) Compliant. |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 3:55:26 PM EDT
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That doesn't make any sense. I believe you are incorrect.
Read them and get back to us. 922(r) merely prohibits assembly. AOW possession is a different matter. |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 5:12:40 PM EDT
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I actually found a new field stock so I snagged it...wohoo!
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Posted: 11/20/2018 5:22:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That doesn't make any sense. I believe you are incorrect. That's like saying a person can purchase an AR Pistol that has a vertical grip on it and it's ok for new owner to posses because he didn't assemble it. |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 9:18:46 PM EDT
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Very nice.
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Posted: 11/20/2018 9:23:24 PM EDT
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Very nice. I'm looking forward to trying it out with the field stock when it arrives. It was $140 but I wanted it and I could only find one anywhere so when I got the notification from Euro Optic that they had one (and only one) I grabbed it. |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 9:53:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks!! I'm looking forward to trying it out with the field stock when it arrives. It was $140 but I wanted it and I could only find one anywhere so when I got the notification from Euro Optic that they had one (and only one) I grabbed it. that titanium tube is a pricey freebie for you. I think they're about $180. |
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