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Posted: 7/20/2022 9:58:15 AM EDT
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I second the GTG. Had the pleasure of meeting the owner in person. Very nice and a straight shooter. |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 11:25:11 AM EDT
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Snagged one. Thanks.
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Posted: 7/20/2022 11:27:02 AM EDT
[#3]
That's one butt ugly stock
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Posted: 7/20/2022 11:59:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's one butt ugly stock Not like it’s anything new, it’s been out there for a while. But to each their own. |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 6:14:24 PM EDT
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I have the Choate made adjustable. It’s a nice stock.
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Posted: 7/20/2022 8:05:17 PM EDT
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Quoted: That's one butt ugly stock It's hands down, the best looking MP5K stock there is. Probably the most functional, too. |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 11:25:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's hands down, the best looking MP5K stock there is. Probably the most functional, too. |
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Posted: 7/21/2022 2:10:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:6 That's one butt ugly stock 
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Posted: 7/21/2022 3:02:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's one butt ugly stock Quote HistoryQuoted: That's one butt ugly stock Quoted: I second that emotion! I'd rather just use it in non-stocked/braced config than having that uglying up a great looking gun. But some people like ugly women. Uhm, you guys do realize that the Choate folder IS the original, classic HK factory MP5K/MP5K PDW stock, right?  You guys must be new to the HK MP5 world.   |
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Posted: 7/21/2022 6:13:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not like it’s anything new, it’s been out there for a while. Since 1991 IIRC. |
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Posted: 7/21/2022 11:05:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ... But some people like ugly women. Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. |
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Posted: 7/21/2022 1:09:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Uhm, you guys do realize that the Choate folder IS the original, classic HK factory MP5K/MP5K PDW stock, right? You guys must be new to the HK MP5 world. https://i.imgur.com/JMr3ujVl.jpg https://i.imgur.com/JW03nknl.jpg I do now, and it's still butt ugly. Dare I say it's country music special Olympic homosexual GHEY. |
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Posted: 7/21/2022 1:29:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. Quote HistoryQuoted: Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. It is.  Quoted: I do now, and it's still butt ugly. Dare I say it's country music special Olympic homosexual GHEY. Nah. You wanna see butt ugly? Check out the Safety Harbor KES stock. I get Forrest Whitakker eye every time I see this bag of smashed assholes. Shit looks like something that came off a 1980's, neon colored, MP5Kish battery powered water pistol   : |
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Posted: 7/21/2022 2:02:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/21/2022 2:32:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am not sure which I like better, my MP5KA2 or MP5KA3. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/81074/A2_without_can_jpg-2460912.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/81074/A3_cllapsed_no_can_jpg-2460913.JPG
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Posted: 7/21/2022 2:49:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But isn't that a reverse stretch Bobcat Weapons build (aka Todd Bailey/Special Weapons)? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I am not sure which I like better, my MP5KA2 or MP5KA3. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/81074/A2_without_can_jpg-2460912.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/81074/A3_cllapsed_no_can_jpg-2460913.JPG It is a Bobcat but, not a reverse stretch. I had a local shop make an adapter for me so I could attach a A2 or A3 stock. If you look close, there are 4 pins in the back, the traditional 2 in the frame and 2 in the stocks. |
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Posted: 7/21/2022 3:09:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is a Bobcat but, not a reverse stretch. I had a local shop make an adapter for me so I could attach a A2 or A3 stock. If you look close, there are 4 pins in the back, the traditional 2 in the frame and 2 in the stocks. |
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Posted: 7/21/2022 3:13:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's one butt ugly stock just wait until you see what they're cooking up today! j/k it's a gas mask stock  I'm curious if anyone can compare one of these to the Coharie branded ones with a different mount - wobble in the folding mechanism or receiver attachment? |
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Posted: 7/21/2022 3:38:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You should share pics of the adapter. Sounds interesting. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It is a Bobcat but, not a reverse stretch. I had a local shop make an adapter for me so I could attach a A2 or A3 stock. If you look close, there are 4 pins in the back, the traditional 2 in the frame and 2 in the stocks. Sure, not a problem. It did not come out the way I wanted it to. There was a A2 adapter years ago that allowed a person to add an A2 stock to an MP5K. It did not have cut outs to allow the short rails built into the A2 to pass through the adapter so there was a gab between the front of the stock and the back of the adapter. I did not like the looks so I gave the shop a pic of the adapter and asked them to make this but, cut out the back of the adapter to allow for the rails and to shorten the back end of the adapter to eliminate the gap. I wanted to be able to put any stock on the gun but, what I got was an adapter that was specific to the A2 and A3 stock I own, the stocks were modified to work with the adapter. I purchased a standard MP5K back plate that did not have the QD socket. From there the shop milled out the sections for the stock rails to clear and they cut and welded 2 horizontal pipes. They then added a hole near the top of the stock so 2 pins would hold the stock to the adapter. The A2 also had some material removed around the cup of the stock to make the opening big enough for the adapter to tuck up into the stock. Here is the adapter.  Attached FileHere is a close up of the A2 stock with the modifications made.  Attached File Attached FileHere is a close up of the A3 stock. A hole near the top was added and a circular relief cut was made so the stock would clear the beefed up rear pin hole.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/21/2022 5:58:43 PM EDT
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The HK-marked Choate folder is a must have for anyone building an MP5K-PDW clone. I don't think it's necessarily beautiful or ugly. It's just a purpose-built stock.
Off all the K stocks I've seen, I think that the side folder and retractable stocks made by B&T look the best. |
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Posted: 7/21/2022 6:23:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The HK-marked Choate folder is a must have for anyone building an MP5K-PDW clone. I don't think it's necessarily beautiful or ugly. It's just a purpose-built stock. Off all the K stocks I've seen, I think that the side folder and retractable stocks made by B&T look the best. So if you're building a "clone" that isn't made by HK - eg, an MKE or something else - the extra $120 on the HK marked Choate stock may not be worth it. If you're going for all-HK, and dropped the $$ for a real SP5, then it might be worth it. RTG sells the same stock from Choate (without the HK logo) for $133. |
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Posted: 7/21/2022 6:53:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just pointing out that the *ONLY* difference between that stock and the one without the HK mark in the circle (both made by Chaote) is just that - the "HK" mark. The HK marked stock uses an HK made backplate - the Choate does not. Choate top - HK bottom  |
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Posted: 7/21/2022 7:27:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The HK marked stock uses an HK made backplate - the Choate does not. Choate top - HK bottom https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/766/Choate_vs_HK-2461224.jpg The entire assembly does have the different backplate as you pointed out. Thanks.
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Posted: 7/22/2022 9:37:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good point. The stock itself, including the hinge mechanism is what I was referring to as being exactly the same other than the "HK" logo in the circle. But that wasn't clear. The entire assembly does have the different backplate as you pointed out. Thanks.Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The HK marked stock uses an HK made backplate - the Choate does not. Choate top - HK bottom https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/766/Choate_vs_HK-2461224.jpg The entire assembly does have the different backplate as you pointed out. Thanks.My understanding from posts I have seen on here from people who bought the Choate brand stock is that there is some wiggle in the stock(possibly from the backplate not being HK) that the HK stock does not seem to have. Can anyone confirm that? |
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Posted: 7/22/2022 9:46:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My understanding from posts I have seen on here from people who bought the Choate brand stock is that there is some wiggle in the stock(possibly from the backplate not being HK) that the HK stock does not seem to have. Can anyone confirm that? My only issue with the stock is that, when it's folded closed, if you were to hold the gun on its side with the folded/closed stock towards the ground, just the weight of the stock causes it to open. Not a big deal and more of just being anal about it. I wish the spring was just a tad stronger. |
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Posted: 7/22/2022 10:02:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My MKE with the Choate stock has ZERO wobble. My only issue with the stock is that, when it's folded closed, if you were to hold the gun on its side with the folded/closed stock towards the ground, just the weight of the stock causes it to open. Not a big deal and more of just being anal about it. I wish the spring was just a tad stronger. You could try giving the spring an additional 1/2 or full wind to tension it a bit more. |
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Posted: 7/22/2022 11:36:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You could try giving the spring an additional 1/2 or full wind to tension it a bit more. I contemplated disassembling it to just add a stronger spring, but can't see how to disassemble that portion of the assembly. I even reached out to Choate to ask about my "issue". They told me to send it in, I did, and they sent me an entirely new one - which was absolutely no different - so I think it's a "me" issue rather than the stock.
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Posted: 7/22/2022 11:47:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My MKE with the Choate stock has ZERO wobble. My only issue with the stock is that, when it's folded closed, if you were to hold the gun on its side with the folded/closed stock towards the ground, just the weight of the stock causes it to open. Not a big deal and more of just being anal about it. I wish the spring was just a tad stronger. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My understanding from posts I have seen on here from people who bought the Choate brand stock is that there is some wiggle in the stock(possibly from the backplate not being HK) that the HK stock does not seem to have. Can anyone confirm that? My only issue with the stock is that, when it's folded closed, if you were to hold the gun on its side with the folded/closed stock towards the ground, just the weight of the stock causes it to open. Not a big deal and more of just being anal about it. I wish the spring was just a tad stronger. Thanks for posting. The complaints I saw might have been about product produced a while ago. |
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Posted: 7/22/2022 11:53:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've looked at it and thought about how I can do that - not sure. I contemplated disassembling it to just add a stronger spring, but can't see how to disassemble that portion of the assembly. I even reached out to Choate to ask about my "issue". They told me to send it in, I did, and they sent me an entirely new one - which was absolutely no different - so I think it's a "me" issue rather than the stock. I don't have one to compare, but it might be part of the intentional design. When the PDW was first devised, they also made a complimentary underarm concealment rig that would carry the gun with the stock folded pointing down. It had a cord tied to the stock so if you grabbed the gun and punched it up and out, the tension on that cord would pull the stock out and allow it to open unassisted, so it couldn't have too much tension in the closed position to have that work well. You can see the cord here looped around the top of the stock in the triangle shaped portion.  |
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Posted: 7/22/2022 11:59:39 AM EDT
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Anyone have a line on a choate style stock? Not sure who is reputable but I'd like to pick one up. Not concerned if its HK marked or not.
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Posted: 7/22/2022 12:17:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone have a line on a choate style stock? Not sure who is reputable but I'd like to pick one up. Not concerned if its HK marked or not. |
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Posted: 7/22/2022 12:19:43 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone have a line on a choate style stock? Not sure who is reputable but I'd like to pick one up. Not concerned if its HK marked or not. It’s available at HKSpecialistStore, or you can get the HK marked one for $100 more at HKPartsPro. |
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Posted: 7/22/2022 12:25:18 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The link in the OP still shows them as in stock. I just bought one, Choate is about to hit the EE. |
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Posted: 7/22/2022 12:38:31 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The link in the OP still shows them as in stock. I swear to god when I looked earlier it said out of stock. Jesus. Covid brain fog is my excuse
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Posted: 7/22/2022 12:46:04 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My understanding from posts I have seen on here from people who bought the Choate brand stock is that there is some wiggle in the stock(possibly from the backplate not being HK) that the HK stock does not seem to have. Can anyone confirm that? I can confirm the Choate only stock does have some play in my MP5K. I don't know if I want to drop $250 to fix that? |
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Posted: 7/22/2022 12:50:06 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I can confirm the Choate only stock does gave some play in my MP5K. I don't know if I want to drop $250 to fix that? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My understanding from posts I have seen on here from people who bought the Choate brand stock is that there is some wiggle in the stock(possibly from the backplate not being HK) that the HK stock does not seem to have. Can anyone confirm that? I can confirm the Choate only stock does gave some play in my MP5K. I don't know if I want to drop $250 to fix that? Can I ask how long ago you got yours? |
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Posted: 7/22/2022 12:55:08 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Can I ask how long ago you got yours? 2019 or so. Choate marked in the circle.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 7/22/2022 1:05:44 PM EDT
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Robert RTG gets the Choate version every few weeks or so, but they sell out quickly since they only charge $133 for them. Sign up for the notification for in-stock and pull the trigger quickly when the email goes out. They were in-stock earlier in the week, but are out right now.
https://www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/MP5K-SP5K-FOLDING-STOCK-COMPLETE-134p2270.htm |
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Posted: 7/22/2022 1:08:04 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 2019 or so. Choate marked in the circle. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/249712/20220722_125118_jpg-2461926.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/249712/20220722_125627_jpg-2461928.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Can I ask how long ago you got yours? 2019 or so. Choate marked in the circle. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/249712/20220722_125118_jpg-2461926.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/249712/20220722_125627_jpg-2461928.JPG Thank you. |
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Posted: 7/22/2022 1:08:12 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I can confirm the Choate only stock does gave some play in my MP5K. I don't know if I want to drop $250 to fix that? |
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Posted: 7/22/2022 1:08:55 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't have one to compare, but it might be part of the intentional design. When the PDW was first devised, they also made a complimentary underarm concealment rig that would carry the gun with the stock folded pointing down. It had a cord tied to the stock so if you grabbed the gun and punched it up and out, the tension on that cord would pull the stock out and allow it to open unassisted, so it couldn't have too much tension in the closed position to have that work well. You can see the cord here looped around the top of the stock in the triangle shaped portion. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/157876/IMG_6332-2461869.jpg |
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Posted: 7/22/2022 1:11:44 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've heard others who have said that with the stock. Mine doesn't - but I've also seen SP5's and MKE AP5K's that take a considerable amount of force to remove the end-plate and some that have the pins pop out easily. Between the allowable manufacturing tolerances of the stock assembly and the rear assembly of the firearm, I'd naturally assume that some will have some play and some may be very tight. It may also be affected by how much the firearm has been used. I would imagine the same. The play in mine isn't too bad. I really thought it to be normal until reading this thread. |
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Posted: 7/22/2022 1:26:24 PM EDT
[#43]
The Choate is tough to install and remove without tools due to the pin holes. It does have some slight wobble, but nothing I didnt expect from previous experiences with 80s/90s era Choate products. Buying the HK marked part for me is due to clone correctness, and Id like to see if the fit and finish is any better than the Choate, has any reduction in wobble when shouldered, and I like that it has a built in buffer on the end cap vs the hard endcap on the choate.
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Posted: 7/22/2022 1:40:47 PM EDT
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Would it be possible to attach a Sig style stock to the chote or HK hinge? I’m not sure if it would be possible. Or how the length compares to the chote/HK stock. I think someone also makes the one with a riser. Kate moss? I can’t remember for sure.
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Posted: 7/22/2022 1:46:24 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Would it be possible to attach a Sig style stock to the chote or HK hinge? I'm not sure if it would be possible. Or how the length compares to the chote/HK stock. I think someone also makes the one with a riser. Kate moss? I can't remember for sure. Unfortunately no. Those parts are not interchangeable. You'd need a picatinny endplate to attach the Sig stock to. Kate Moss stocks are pretty much unobtainable currently and if you do find one, $4-5 hundos. But then again, I've paid more for HK A3 stocks so... |
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Posted: 7/22/2022 1:57:51 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Choate is tough to install and remove without tools due to the pin holes. It does have some slight wobble, but nothing I didnt expect from previous experiences with 80s/90s era Choate products. Buying the HK marked part for me is due to clone correctness, and Id like to see if the fit and finish is any better than the Choate, has any reduction in wobble when shouldered, and I like that it has a built in buffer on the end cap vs the hard endcap on the choate. |
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Posted: 7/22/2022 2:56:14 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When you get the HK one, let us know how it really compares. One problem you get from forum sites like "HKPro" is that they are so inundated with 'HK-is-perfect' fanboi mentality, that people who had a non-HK Choate and bought the HK Choate want it to be better so badly to justify the cost that they report back that it's perfect in every way regardless. I have both. The Choate wobbles, the HK branded stock does not. Whether or not that is worth the premium is up to you. |
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Posted: 7/22/2022 3:58:55 PM EDT
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For those of us doing Great Value(™) mp5k-pdw builds, a rubber band does a decent job of taking up the slop from the choate/coharie stock if it's not fitting tight in the receiver. A strip of hvac tape takes up the slack in the hing/stock itself.
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Posted: 7/22/2022 4:52:41 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When you get the HK one, let us know how it really compares. One problem you get from forum sites like "HKPro" is that they are so inundated with 'HK-is-perfect' fanboi mentality, that people who had a non-HK Choate and bought the HK Choate want it to be better so badly to justify the cost that they report back that it's perfect in every way regardless. Ill throw up a small review in this thread when it gets here. Im normally a "buy once, cry once" kinda guy, but the HK stock was nowhere to be found when I got my stamp and I wanted a stock right now. |
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Posted: 7/23/2022 2:10:03 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When you get the HK one, let us know how it really compares. One problem you get from forum sites like "HKPro" is that they are so inundated with 'HK-is-perfect' fanboi mentality, that people who had a non-HK Choate and bought the HK Choate want it to be better so badly to justify the cost that they report back that it's perfect in every way regardless. Even if it does wobble, I think the real question is, does it matter? I guess I better throw my FN SCARs and AR's in the trash because the OEM stocks wobble. |
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