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Posted: 2/6/2020 9:51:01 PM EDT
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Saw an Armalite for sale for $999 in .308. Are these better than the LR308 ones? Which do you prefer? |
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Posted: 2/6/2020 9:51:06 PM EDT
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I went with the ARMALITE Defender-10
I figured they have been making AR10's for a long time. It's been a good rifle, but I shoot my 6.5grendel and 6.8SPC a lot more 
after adding an M.I. MLOK 15", JP trigger, and BCM furniture 
compared to my old 16" 6.8SPC build 
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Posted: 2/6/2020 9:54:41 PM EDT
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Why not Wyndham? They make a great .308!
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Posted: 2/6/2020 10:06:49 PM EDT
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You didn’t know DPMS went out of business?
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Posted: 2/6/2020 10:12:18 PM EDT
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That said, the Original LR series of dpms are what most copied. I have two, and other than hating my pile of surplus 308, they run great. Just need fed good commercial ammo or my reloads. Very accurate.
Armalite is a great gun for sure. They just work. And they would eat pretty much anything. There is plenty of aftermarket support for either brand |
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Posted: 2/6/2020 10:42:25 PM EDT
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Why not Wyndham? They make a great .308! |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 12:23:55 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/7/2020 12:46:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was talking about patterns, not brands. Is the Wyndham based on the DPMS LR308 pattern? https://308ar.com/ar-10-308-ar-compatibility-reference-guide/ AR10 / LR308 / LAR308 / SR25 / DPMS Gen-2 (All are .308 Caliber/AR Type Rifles. They each have differences.) There is not one "standard" for .308 AR Type rifles. I know that the parts I used on my Wyndham, also worked with other LR308 rifles. I've attached some articles that might be of help to you. |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 1:54:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://monstrumtactical.com/blogs/guides/what-is-the-difference-between-an-ar-10-and-an-lr-308 https://308ar.com/ar-10-308-ar-compatibility-reference-guide/ AR10 / LR308 / LAR308 / SR25 / DPMS Gen-2 (All are .308 Caliber/AR Type Rifles. They each have differences.) There is not one "standard" for .308 AR Type rifles. I know that the parts I used on my Wyndham, also worked with other LR308 rifles. I've attached some articles that might be of help to you. |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 10:38:48 AM EDT
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Saw an Armalite for sale for $999 in .308. Are these better than the LR308 ones? Which do you prefer? I prefer the DPMS pattern, not because it is "better", but.. for me, parts availability seems to be better. Both patterns will give you years of enjoyment. As mentioned earlier... the lack of a "Mil-Spec" guideline can be a pita, but it is not insurmountable. I opted to go the PSA route... their prices helped me be able to afford / fund my Large Frame AR's. I "tuned" / "finessed" them all ... and am quite happy with them. My friends Aramilite benefited from the same tuning and finessing. Adj. GB's and heavier buffer weights and recoil springs, lapping the upper receiver face and Loctiting in the barrel... no one needs to do all that, but I do. |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 3:50:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Better? ehh... both patterns are GTG. I prefer the DPMS pattern, not because it is "better", but.. for me, parts availability seems to be better. Both patterns will give you years of enjoyment. As mentioned earlier... the lack of a "Mil-Spec" guideline can be a pita, but it is not insurmountable. I opted to go the PSA route... their prices helped me be able to afford / fund my Large Frame AR's. I "tuned" / "finessed" them all ... and am quite happy with them. My friends Aramilite benefited from the same tuning and finessing. Adj. GB's and heavier buffer weights and recoil springs, lapping the upper receiver face and Loctiting in the barrel... no one needs to do all that, but I do. I dunno if I'll ever lap the receiver face or locktite the barrel, but cutting recoil is something I'm interested in. |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 9:16:21 PM EDT
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I wish I had bought one of the old AR-10B when they were available
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Posted: 2/7/2020 11:22:55 PM EDT
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I wish I had bought one of the old AR-10B when they were available |
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Posted: 2/8/2020 12:17:36 AM EDT
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If I were to buy a stock gun it would be a Saint.
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Posted: 2/8/2020 12:39:33 AM EDT
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I went with the ARMALITE Defender-10 I figured they have been making AR10's for a long time. It's been a good rifle, but I shoot my 6.5grendel and 6.8SPC a lot more https://i.imgur.com/broF5jm.jpg after adding an M.I. MLOK 15", JP trigger, and BCM furniture https://i.imgur.com/VutAjjn.jpg https://i.imgur.com/mWuJiOX.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Bvu7VyA.jpg compared to my old 16" 6.8SPC build https://i.imgur.com/bEKaO6K.jpg |
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Posted: 2/8/2020 9:07:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing wrong with Armalite, but that's some flawed logic. They haven't been making rifles for a long time. The name has been around for a long time but not the company that currently owns it. By that logic you should have bought a DPMS since they were wholly owned by the oldest rifle manufacturing company in the country, Remington. I understand Armalite's history. Eagle Arms Mark Westrom purchased the name in the 1990's, long after Hollywood and Dutch production. They ( Westrom/Eagle Arms, Armalite ) started making 308 rifles back during the mid-1990's, long before DPMS, Remington/DPMS, or anyone else, except maybe Knight's. Knigh was building rifles for the military, not focused on the civilian market |
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Posted: 2/8/2020 9:36:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't know about the AR10B thanks for the tip. Is the AR10B a highly desirable gun these days? |
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Posted: 2/8/2020 8:28:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How much heavier a buffer and which spring? I dunno if I'll ever lap the receiver face or locktite the barrel, but cutting recoil is something I'm interested in. Rifle length stocks run a KAK 308 9.3oz buffer, DPMS Pattern carbine stocks run KAK 308 2.75" 5.3oz buffers, and "Vltor / Armalite" pattern carbine length buffer tubes run 5.4oz YMMV, since I am using SLR Adj. GB's , and Lantac muzzle brakes on all my .308 and 6.5CM Large frames.... along with various polishing / burnishing ( interior of the buffer tubes, feed ramps... etc. ) All of them shoot very softly, and every single person that has tried them comment on how soft the recoil impulse is. Personally, I believe there is ample gas on Large Frame AR's... and the heavy recoil weights and limited gas flow tend to support that for me.... keep it lubed and let it run. |
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Posted: 2/8/2020 10:24:55 PM EDT
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Didn't know about the AR10B thanks for the tip. Is the AR10B a highly desirable gun these days? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wish I had bought one of the old AR-10B when they were available |
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Posted: 2/9/2020 2:06:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Every stock setup... rifle length, DPMS pattern carbine, and Vltor / Armalite carbine length, all use Tubbs .308 Flatwire recoils springs ( and my 9MM PCC Colt pattern ) Rifle length stocks run a KAK 308 9.3oz buffer, DPMS Pattern carbine stocks run KAK 308 2.75" 5.3oz buffers, and "Vltor / Armalite" pattern carbine length buffer tubes run 5.4oz YMMV, since I am using SLR Adj. GB's , and Lantac muzzle brakes on all my .308 and 6.5CM Large frames.... along with various polishing / burnishing ( interior of the buffer tubes, feed ramps... etc. ) All of them shoot very softly, and every single person that has tried them comment on how soft the recoil impulse is. Personally, I believe there is ample gas on Large Frame AR's... and the heavy recoil weights and limited gas flow tend to support that for me.... keep it lubed and let it run. Thanks for the details! |
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Posted: 2/9/2020 2:25:03 PM EDT
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Dpms are lasers
Neither, I'd buy a lmt |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 9:29:29 PM EDT
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The problem now is finding AR10B barrels.
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Posted: 2/12/2020 9:36:21 PM EDT
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The problem now is finding AR10B barrels. |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 9:39:06 PM EDT
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Saw an Armalite for sale for $999 in .308. Are these better than the LR308 ones? Which do you prefer? I got an Armalite AR10. It even runs Tula of all things without a hitch, accuracy's good, weight is good. |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 9:54:42 PM EDT
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@Wirebrush I understand Armalite's history. Eagle Arms Mark Westrom purchased the name in the 1990's, long after Hollywood and Dutch production. They ( Westrom/Eagle Arms, Armalite ) started making 308 rifles back during the mid-1990's, long before DPMS, Remington/DPMS, or anyone else, except maybe Knight's. Knigh was building rifles for the military, not focused on the civilian market Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Nothing wrong with Armalite, but that's some flawed logic. They haven't been making rifles for a long time. The name has been around for a long time but not the company that currently owns it. By that logic you should have bought a DPMS since they were wholly owned by the oldest rifle manufacturing company in the country, Remington. I understand Armalite's history. Eagle Arms Mark Westrom purchased the name in the 1990's, long after Hollywood and Dutch production. They ( Westrom/Eagle Arms, Armalite ) started making 308 rifles back during the mid-1990's, long before DPMS, Remington/DPMS, or anyone else, except maybe Knight's. Knigh was building rifles for the military, not focused on the civilian market |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 10:02:29 PM EDT
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I would chose the DPMS simply because compatible parts are far easier to find. I'd have no problem buying a DPMS large frame compatible Bolt, Barrel, gas tube, handguard, etc. from multiple local retailers. I'd probably be hard pressed to find those parts for an Armalite on a shelf anywhere in the state. With the Armalite you have the problems of the DPMS GII (proprietary parts) without the benefits.
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Posted: 2/13/2020 12:14:15 AM EDT
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That's a roundabout way of saying Wyndham is based on the LR308. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: https://monstrumtactical.com/blogs/guides/what-is-the-difference-between-an-ar-10-and-an-lr-308 https://308ar.com/ar-10-308-ar-compatibility-reference-guide/ AR10 / LR308 / LAR308 / SR25 / DPMS Gen-2 (All are .308 Caliber/AR Type Rifles. They each have differences.) There is not one "standard" for .308 AR Type rifles. I know that the parts I used on my Wyndham, also worked with other LR308 rifles. I've attached some articles that might be of help to you. |
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