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Posted: 10/18/2018 1:22:49 PM EDT
I recently started loading for my 44 mag Redhawk. I've done a number of different loads with 240 gr and 300 gr JHP and several powders - Enforcer, #9, HS6, Titegroup. These have ranged from medium with titegroup to fairly stout with #9 and Enforcer.

Last week I had a chance to test some with H110. I started with 23.3 gr with a 240 gr DeepCurl JHP. The first shot about scared the crap out of me. I thought maybe I screwed up the charge, but the case extracted fine. I mean, it didn't fall out, but a normal push on the extractor was all it took. I was shooting indoors and after a few shots the range officer came over and wanted to know what the hell I was shooting. Definite attention grabbers. I also tried 23.6 gr and 23.9 gr (24.0 is max per hodgdon). All extracted fine. Sure, the primers were flattened but that's the case with nearly all my 357 and 44 loads so I don't pay much attention to that.

I'm not sure I'd shoot these on a regular basis, but is there any reason to think they are too hot? Once I got used to them they were pretty fun to shoot.
Link Posted: 10/18/2018 1:44:02 PM EDT
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A whole lot of factors go into chamber pressure.
Bore diameter and leade profile (forcing cone) are big ones.
If you see no other issues, then don't worry.

H110 in the 44mag is a great powder for full power loads, and the 44mag is supposed to get your attention when it fires.
Link Posted: 10/18/2018 1:50:45 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/18/2018 1:56:46 PM EDT
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24.0 grs H-110, 240 gr JHP is my standard load for my Redhalk. So you7 are fine.
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24.0 grs H-110, 240 gr JHP is my standard load for my Redhalk. So you7 are fine.
Thanks for the reassurance. I wasn't able to chrono these. What speed did you get with yours? What barrel length?

Back issue (couple years ago) of Handloader Magazine has loads for 44 Magnum +P.
+P!!? Out of curiosity, do you have an example of what they tested?
Link Posted: 10/18/2018 2:01:31 PM EDT
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I think your process is right, looking for pressure signs. It is hard on the brass though, and with that pressure level, you might not get a case split as your first sign of problems on multiple reloaded brass. So, I would segregate out your +P brass and make sure you track the number of loadings. I generally mark the headstamp with a purple sharpie to be able to keep track. You're using a Redhawk, so you have zero worries about frame strength or durability with even max published loads.

But, if you liked your load, use 2400 and work up to the Keith max load for 44 Magnum with a 240ish hard cast bullet.

Out of a 4" 29, it is impressive, especially at night.

I don't generally feel like punishing myself, so I shoot a "light special" like Inspector Callahan recommended. This is generally 18 grains of 2400.
Link Posted: 10/18/2018 2:31:58 PM EDT
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I recently tried 2400 for the first time in my 357 blackhawk. Never saw so much flame out the side before - even with H110.
Link Posted: 10/18/2018 2:35:51 PM EDT
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Your pressure is fine.  As dryflash3 and you both point out your still under a publish max for that bullet weight.  The problem is your using H110 and about 20% of that powder charged burned in front of the muzzle in a great ball of muzzle blast/flash.  Everyone loved to use H110 in 357 and 44 Magnum and I can't figure out why.  It's too slow for most revolvers.  If your creating a load for a carbine or dual purpose carbine/revolver than H110 is not a bad choice as it does well in a longer barrel.  But in common revolver barrel lengths is just produces more recoil and way more muzzle flash and blast than you want in most cases.

I worked up a 240gr XTP load earlier this summer for my 6.5-inch S&W M29.
Charge Weight: 23.5gr H110 gave 1351 fps
Charge Weight: 14.0gr Hi-Skor 800-X 1372 fps

At nearly half the mass of propellant I got the basically the same velocity, noticeably less recoil and no muzzle flash to speak of.  It was much more pleasant to shoot.

Now in a carbine the H110 shines.  Those same two loads fired in a Rossi M92 16-inch carbine
Charge Weight: 23.5gr H110 gave 1708 fps a 357 fps gain
Charge Weight: 14.0gr Hi-Skor 800-X 1600 fps only a 228 fps gain

At this point I really don't use H110 in pistols any more, it's just too slow in most cases.  I save it for 410 shotgun shells and 450 Bushmaster.  YMMV
Link Posted: 10/18/2018 4:07:39 PM EDT
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I have been using 23.5gr 296/H110 with 240gr bonded jacketed flat points.  I couldn't group for shit, and I think it is because of the recoil.  I will get the gun MagnaPorted before I adjust my loads.  it wasn't really painful and I was shooting outdoors.  It is probably due to my refusal to install ugly rubber grips.  The people close to me asked me what I was shooting because of the blast. 

Funny thing is that I bought bullets and boxes from the EE and the reload label inside the box indicated the previous owner was loading 25.0 gr of H110/296. 

300grain bullets with appropriate powder drops were much less violent. 
Link Posted: 10/18/2018 4:09:05 PM EDT
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I don't generally feel like punishing myself, so I shoot a "light special" like Inspector Callahan recommended. This is generally 18 grains of 2400.
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If you mean .44spl loads, they are quite boring.  May as well be shooting a .38spl. Even the .357mag is more impressive than a .44spl.
Link Posted: 10/18/2018 4:37:03 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/18/2018 11:19:33 PM EDT
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A guy I worked with when I was in my 20's had a Redhawk and we went to the range after work one time. He had charged some 44mag cases so hot the head stamp was almost unreadable after the round was fired. I only fired one round of those loads because I thought the gun was going to fly out of my hands.

I saw him (alive) years later so I suppose those Redhawks can take a hot load over time and not fall apart. If you can read the headstamp after firing you should be fine with your loads  
Link Posted: 10/19/2018 11:35:01 AM EDT
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If you mean .44spl loads, they are quite boring.  May as well be shooting a .38spl. Even the .357mag is more impressive than a .44spl.
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When I've chronographed those loads with 2400 they are around 1000 fps. Regular 44 special with the 246 bullet is around 800 fps iirc. They have kick and punch but are a couple of grains short of magnum loading, which is  little easier on my S&Ws. They also work pretty well in my revolvers accuracy wise.

I just don't see the need for excessive recoil when shooting paper. When I have handgun hunted, I've gone and zeroed with the hot stuff and shoot 50 or so rounds to make sure I'm zeroed.

Good graphic and explanation, Dano.
Link Posted: 10/19/2018 5:43:27 PM EDT
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Thanks for the info/pics on primers. I've pretty much always seen somewhat flattened primers and since I've never tried to go over a max load I've never paid much attention to the primers in my revolver loads. As long as they extract easily I figure I'm good. With respect to my primers, here are few examples.

This is 23.5 gr H110 (24.0 gr is max)


This is 21.6 gr Enforcer (max is 22.0)


This is 11.0 gr HS6 (min charge for 300 gr JHP)


My practice of color coding them makes it bit hard to see the primer edges I guess, but for the most part they look pretty similar to me from mild (for a 44) min charge to near max of fairly hot loads.
Link Posted: 10/19/2018 11:35:08 PM EDT
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You are shooting a Ruger Redhawk.  Some reloading manuals have separate data just for Ruger Revolvers.  I can guarantee 24gr is nowhere near max for a Redhawk.

Gotta show my by precious now.  It's a Super Redhawk Alaskan modified to have a Redhawk barrel.

Link Posted: 10/20/2018 4:06:41 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/20/2018 9:50:16 AM EDT
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"with H110. I started with 23.3 gr with a 240 gr DeepCurl JHP. "

Not to hot, but near maximum.   Primers look ok.

I find H110/W296 to  produce  pressure spikes when just adding 1/2 gr of powder when near maximum, using a 250 gr cast bullet. WLP.   (23.5 to 24.0 grs.)   I now load no hotter then 23 gr for long brass life and less damage to a M29-2 S&W .
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 11:05:21 AM EDT
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"with H110. I started with 23.3 gr with a 240 gr DeepCurl JHP. "

Not to hot, but near maximum.   Primers look ok.

I find H110/W296 to  produce  pressure spikes when just adding 1/2 gr of powder when near maximum, using a 250 gr cast bullet. WLP.   (23.5 to 24.0 grs.)   I now load no hotter then 23 gr for long brass life and less damage to a M29-2 S&W .
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Hodgdon data was 23.0 - 24.0 gr so a pretty narrow window. 23.3 was near min. I worked up to 23.9 gr, which didn't show any over pressure signs. I loaded to the cannelure, which was nearly exactly the COL from the data.

The main reason I was looking for feedback is that my near MIN loads with H110 FELT a lot hotter than near max loads of Enforcer and OVER (depending on the data source) max loads of AA#9. I didn't see any over pressure signs so shot them up to the 23.9 gr loads, but was curious if H110 loads were that much different from other 44 mag loads since I didn't see that much difference with my .357 loads.

One other interesting observation. With my .357 loads with H110 I tended to see a pretty good fireball. With these 44 mag loads I didn't see much flame at all. Maybe due to crimping, which I still haven't fully figured out.
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 6:14:06 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/22/2018 8:05:29 PM EDT
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24gr H110/win296 with a speer deep curl/gold dot is my standard deer hunting load.

Welcome to magnum shooting.


It's normal to run everyone off an indoor range with 44 H110 loads.



30-31.5grs of H110 over a 180gr JHP is even more flash and blast





Link Posted: 10/23/2018 10:02:58 PM EDT
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30-31.5grs of H110 over a 180gr JHP is even more flash and blast

https://i.imgur.com/WX4wS3F.jpg

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You should see 39.5 of it with the same bullet from a 445 supermag
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 6:30:58 PM EDT
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I was loading full power loads for my 629 using 12.5 grains of unique (iirc - not exactly sure right now) with 240 grain jhp’s.

Started having problems “pulling the trigger” and had the gun lock up most of the time.  Really weird thing was if I pulled the cylinder release REARWARD, I could cock the hammer.  I ended up sending it back to S&W and they had to replace the yoke and a bunch of other stuff.  I booger’s the gun up but good.  S&W customers service was incredible - they fixed it free if charge in less than a week for what was obviously user error.

Funny thing is I remember them being stout flamethrower loads but no signs of serious overpressure ( I might not have been looking too hard for it tho....
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 12:20:43 AM EDT
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As for the strongest action on the market for 300gr+ bullets at full speeds with the correct slow burning powder fr 44 mag, it was the Dan Wesson M44 with dual lock up.
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I've done some scary things with Dan Wessons before (357 mag, max, 44mag, and 445sm), some of them were even on purpose

I've been going through a lot of 300mp for 410 skeet loads.  I might have to give it a try in the supermags and the 44 Mag.  I think it could do well through my 8" barrels.  I don't think it will be great from the 4" ones.
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Link Posted: 10/25/2018 7:42:52 AM EDT
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I've been getting 1325 with 300mp.  Hulls seem to be in a little better shape than with 296/H110.

Any info on 300mp being 297?  I thought alliant said it wasn't, that 297 has a flash suppressant and 300mp does not, along with a few other differences

If I can get good all around performance with 180s and 190s in 357 max and 300-325s in 445 supermag, I plan on using up most of my 296 and using 300mp for all.  I have other powders for the lighter bullets
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 9:28:03 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/27/2018 3:06:17 PM EDT
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A whole lot of factors go into chamber pressure.
Bore diameter and leade profile (forcing cone) are big ones.
If you see no other issues, then don't worry.

H110 in the 44mag is a great powder for full power loads, and the 44mag is supposed to get your attention when it fires.
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H110 makes a huge muzzle flash indoors.
I used it in a Wildey .45 Win Mag.
The flash from both the gas piston and the muzzle really lit up the range.
And the noise was horrendous if I was against the range wall on either outside lane.
Link Posted: 10/28/2018 11:07:44 AM EDT
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24gr H110/win296 with a speer deep curl/gold dot is my standard deer hunting load.

Welcome to magnum shooting.


It's normal to run everyone off an indoor range with 44 H110 loads.



30-31.5grs of H110 over a 180gr JHP is even more flash and blast

https://i.imgur.com/WX4wS3F.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/7QF8upm.png

https://i.imgur.com/a0nZRcx.png
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24.0 grains 2400 under a 180 does it for me!  I'll have to try some warmish H110 loads.  I just don't care for it though.  Too picky for me and doesn't seem to meter as well.
Link Posted: 10/28/2018 12:03:04 PM EDT
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24.0 grains 2400 under a 180 does it for me!  I'll have to try some warmish H110 loads.  I just don't care for it though.  Too picky for me and doesn't seem to meter as well.
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I'd say it's hard to make a "warmish" load with H110. Maybe depends on ones definition but even a min charge of 110 feels pretty hot to me - hence this thread. I have no issue metering using an RCBS competition PM.
Link Posted: 10/30/2018 2:59:51 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/30/2018 5:38:38 PM EDT
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I have some 296 loads that are 24.7gr with a 240 jhp.

No pressure signs in my Redhawk, but they are not pleasant to shoot
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True words
LOL

Good pleasant load is a 240-270gr Keith SWC with 10gr Unique or 9.0 universal  . . . around 1000-1100fps



Link Posted: 11/13/2018 11:53:17 PM EDT
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