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Posted: 2/29/2024 9:20:01 PM EDT
https://www.ammoland.com/2024/02/atf-eforms-system-shut-down-claims-budgeting-concerns/
Full story at link above. Gathering more info. But so far what I’m hearing isn’t great. |
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Posted: 2/29/2024 9:30:44 PM EDT
[#1]
The eforms website says it is maintenance and they hope to have service restored as soon as possible. This happens from time to time.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 2/29/2024 9:39:36 PM EDT
[#2]
Of course they would shut it down. Im waiting on an F3 from Silencer Shop to my dealer.
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UT, USA
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Posted: 2/29/2024 9:45:42 PM EDT
[#3]
anonymous tip as a source?
Sounds like ammo land had a slow news day. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 2/29/2024 9:48:04 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By P229SAS: The eforms website says it is maintenance and they hope to have service restored as soon as possible. This happens from time to time. Yes and when it's down for a bit there's usually something like this posted (except I usually read shit like this on reddit). It's not a good system. This is not a surprise to anyone who has to do suppressor stuff everyday. This is just another Thursday to me. |
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Posted: 2/29/2024 9:54:46 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By P229SAS: The eforms website says it is maintenance and they hope to have service restored as soon as possible. This happens from time to time. It has been down since at least Tuesday (2/27) morning. Does it usually go down for days when they’re doing maintenance? |
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Posted: 2/29/2024 10:33:18 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Luny421: It has been down since at least Tuesday (2/27) morning. Does it usually go down for days when they’re doing maintenance? No |
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Posted: 2/29/2024 11:01:21 PM EDT
[#7]
So I guess the eForms being down only applies to submissions?
I got approval email from eForms / ATF today for a F4. Just a few days over a month. |
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Posted: 2/29/2024 11:12:27 PM EDT
[#8]
Well that sucks. I just had one arrive at my FFL via form 3 from silencer shop. How convenient. So how fucked am I right now?
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Posted: 2/29/2024 11:16:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: KitBuilder]
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By alpha0815: So I guess the eForms being down only applies to submissions? I got approval email from eForms / ATF today for a F4. Just a few days over a month. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By alpha0815: So I guess the eForms being down only applies to submissions? I got approval email from eForms / ATF today for a F4. Just a few days over a month. Originally Posted By MRTEX: Well that sucks. I just had one arrive at my FFL via form 3 from silencer shop. How convenient. So how fucked am I right now?  Your FFL could paper F4 it to you. Not sure how long that is taking currently. |
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USA
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Posted: 2/29/2024 11:20:03 PM EDT
[#10]
I guess I'm lucky I sent in 5 paper form 4s a month ago
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Posted: 2/29/2024 11:37:12 PM EDT
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I hope that's wrong. I was going to submit some forms soon.
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Posted: 3/1/2024 12:13:19 AM EDT
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Wait, they got a fuck ton of money from Biden. If they shut it down it is political. Literally nothing else to it.
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Posted: 3/1/2024 12:20:21 AM EDT
[#13]
Mine was supposed to submit today. Had to delay it because of outage
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MN, USA
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Posted: 3/1/2024 12:27:28 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JTX23: Wait, they got a fuck ton of money from Biden. If they shut it down it is political. Literally nothing else to it. Yup. The crown doesn’t want the peasants to have suppressors. |
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Posted: 3/1/2024 12:34:07 AM EDT
[#15]
Or it's exactly what they say it is and they are doing system maintenance.
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OH, USA
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Posted: 3/1/2024 1:39:51 AM EDT
[#16]
NICS went down for like an hour on Thursday.
FBI had issues. Wonder if it was related to the E-Forms being down. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 3/1/2024 7:35:37 AM EDT
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I don’t know how these things work exactly, but did maybe yesterday being a once every 4 years date (Feb 29) affect it?
I mean the site itself looks like it was designed during the My Space era. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 3/1/2024 8:25:14 AM EDT
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maybe? not?
i logged into my nics check account at 11:30 to change my password because it was about to expire. logged in fine. clicked change password and it took me to a page i have never scene before. i saw a box that said sworn law enforcement. i went to update my phone number and hit save and it took me to an error page. tried to log back in and it kept going to an error page then around noon it was up but said my account was locked. i called the number around 12:40 and the dude said fbi is down. try calling back in an hour. left to get my son from school and called back at 2:30. was able to unlock my account and they had to reset my password but everything there worked fine. i will have to ask my dealer if his eform is down because i am expecting a suppressor soon. |
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Posted: 3/1/2024 8:53:08 AM EDT
[#19]
we pay extra money in the form of an illegal tax to exercise our rights and stay out of prison, plus a very long wait. how about we shut down the ebt/snap/welfare system which is not a right and mostly used by people that commit crimes and dont pay taxes
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Posted: 3/1/2024 9:02:19 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By zentradi: Or it's exactly what they say it is and they are doing system maintenance. That is where I am leaning. Biden admin fuckery has been high since day one so hard to rule it out though. |
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Posted: 3/1/2024 9:05:21 AM EDT
[#21]
Originally Posted By ikickhippies: https://www.ammoland.com/2024/02/atf-eforms-system-shut-down-claims-budgeting-concerns/ Full story at link above. Gathering more info. But so far what I’m hearing isn’t great. The rumor mill is going overtime on the eForms outage. My money is on something like a massive database corruption and discovery that nobody has been backing anything up or something. I do not believe it is going down permanently. They posted that eF2, which are manufacturer reports of new NFA firearms manufactured, will be accepted for 24 hours after eForms returns and still will be timely. They wouldn’t create such an allowance if eForms wasn’t coming back. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 3/1/2024 10:04:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By prebans: My money is on something like a massive database corruption and discovery that nobody has been backing anything up or something. What is interesting is I know someone who was reached out to by a legitimate ATF examiner asking for a copy of a Form 4 via a gmail account. |
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Posted: 3/1/2024 10:17:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: prebans]
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vlarg: What is interesting is I know someone who was reached out to by a legitimate ATF examiner asking for a copy of a Form 4 via a gmail account. Not surprised. I wonder if a lot of people are receiving approvals which are lost to ATF. Sometime down the road, from days to years, there’ll be FFL audits where ATF will claim something should be in inventory while the FFL says transfer was approved long ago. That and owners trying to transfer and ATF halting with the infamous “Proof of Ownership” reply. This seems to happen every couple of decades. Theres still fouled-up amnesty paperwork from 1968. There was that one examiner who was caught shredding registrations to avoid work in the 80s or early 90s. Then there was the excellent 30-day approval period circa 2005-2006 where they seemed to lose stuff. Now we’ve got what looks like a catastrophic tech issue in 2024. |
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Posted: 3/1/2024 11:00:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By prebans: That and owners trying to transfer and ATF halting with the infamous "Proof of Ownership" reply. |
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Posted: 3/1/2024 1:23:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FishKepr]
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MRTEX: Well that sucks. I just had one arrive at my FFL via form 3 from silencer shop. How convenient. So how fucked am I right now? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MRTEX: Well that sucks. I just had one arrive at my FFL via form 3 from silencer shop. How convenient. So how fucked am I right now? Originally Posted By alpha0815: So I guess the eForms being down only applies to submissions? I got approval email from eForms / ATF today for a F4. Just a few days over a month. Interesting. Yes, still seeing approvals in the tracking thread. Guessing that the examiners still have access? That would be a good thing if the backlog is still being worked. Originally Posted By MRTEX: Well that sucks. I just had one arrive at my FFL via form 3 from silencer shop. How convenient. So how fucked am I right now? Same here, but I would think that we should still be able to get the forms ready for submission. ETA: Hey, this multi quote feature is pretty neat. |
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Posted: 3/1/2024 5:05:38 PM EDT
[#26]
E-Forms are back up for me
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Posted: 3/1/2024 5:28:11 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By P229SAS: E-Forms are back up for me It say: *** The eForms system is back online as of March 1, 2024 at 1559. PLEASE NOTE: You must submit your required eForm 2s, that you did not submit due to this outage, by the close of your next business day as required by 27 CFR 479.103. *** |
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WV, USA
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Posted: 3/1/2024 5:34:00 PM EDT
[#28]
Yep its showing back online for me as well
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WI, USA
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Posted: 3/1/2024 5:34:14 PM EDT
[#29]
Another Infringement among many.
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Posted: 3/1/2024 5:57:09 PM EDT
[#30]
Yeah. Heard they were coming up about 1600 EST.
Still kind of odd (if the anonymous sources can be believed) that someone called an unplanned outage. |
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Posted: 3/1/2024 7:23:51 PM EDT
[#31]
back up for me.
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Posted: 3/1/2024 7:27:43 PM EDT
[#32]
JFC y'all are like a bunch of old clucking hens... it was down for maintenance.
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Posted: 3/1/2024 7:45:25 PM EDT
[#33]
 Attached FileIt would be nice if I had a form 2 in the system. I'm waiting to hear about a form 3 transfer to the FFL. Ugh |
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Posted: 3/1/2024 8:59:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: prebans]
[#34]
 ——— Originally Posted By osprey21: JFC y'all are like a bunch of old clucking hens... it was down for maintenance. I agree, though I think something went sideways in the process. Given their adjustment to F2 submission requirements, it seems like it stretched out longer than planned. |
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Posted: 3/1/2024 9:01:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: prebans]
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KitBuilder: WTF is that? @kitbuilder In plainer English, “PROOF OF OWNERSHIP” translates to “Send us a copy of your form because we’ve got no record of this in the registry.” It’s not just more evidence that the registry isn’t completely accurate. Nope, not at all, nothing to see here… I’ve had it happen a few times, both as a SOT and as an individual buyer. In each case I sent a copy or helped the Seller / the Seller’s estate send a copy of the original paperwork into ATF via email. They always gave a cursory reply acknowledgement and thank you. Then the transfer proceeded. As a SOT, my first one was a F3 from the manufacturer to me that was maybe a month or two old. The second and third were all old registrations, one from the 1940s and the other a 4467, where the ATF didn’t have record of anything. |
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Posted: 3/1/2024 10:02:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: KitBuilder]
[#36]
@prebans
Thank you for explaining. I wonder how they could even authenticate something like that, since you sent a copy and not the original, right? (I wouldn't send the original since they've already proven they lose stuff. lol) |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 3/1/2024 10:10:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weapons_free: we pay extra money in the form of an illegal tax to exercise our rights and stay out of prison, plus a very long wait. how about we shut down the ebt/snap/welfare system which is not a right and mostly used by people that commit crimes and dont pay taxes The post office didn’t shut down. You could mail the forms. Eforms is a convenience. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 3/1/2024 11:57:59 PM EDT
[#38]
got an email from them saying eforms is back up
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Posted: 3/3/2024 12:13:02 PM EDT
[#39]
Just logged into Silencer Shop to check on status of a can with them.
Got a pop up showing that eF4s are "temporarily offline." Odd, since the system is back up. I've worked in tech for a long time and this smells like a deployment that went sideways with defects they didn't catch until go-live. 
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Posted: 3/3/2024 3:11:30 PM EDT
[#40]
I had that issue yesterday.
We just successfully certified five eForm 4's through Silencer Shop a half hour ago. |
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USA
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Posted: 3/3/2024 3:37:57 PM EDT
[#41]
I got an email last week that it is back up. Problem solved.
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Posted: 3/3/2024 3:39:21 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DogtownTom: I had that issue yesterday. We just successfully certified five eForm 4's through Silencer Shop a half hour ago. glorious |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 3/4/2024 2:20:52 PM EDT
[#43]
Just finished certifying my SS purchase.
Took about 30 mins total. Now I just need to forget about it. |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 3/4/2024 3:10:51 PM EDT
[#44]
It won't be easy forgetting when there are 3 day approvals out there, lol.
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WI, USA
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Posted: 3/4/2024 5:33:49 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spot-remover: It won't be easy forgetting when there are 3 day approvals out there, lol. Hush now. The average is still 196 days on a form4 individual. I set a calendar remind for September in case I forget. |
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