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Posted: 8/12/2021 3:20:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/12/2021 3:26:28 PM EDT
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Wasn’t it PSA’s parent company that bought them?
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Posted: 8/12/2021 4:09:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wasn’t it PSA’s parent company that bought them? That's what I heard. Can't wait to see some suppressors with that legendary PSA quality control hit the streets. Hi Point has nothing on these future yeet cannons. |
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Posted: 8/12/2021 4:33:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's what I heard. Can't wait to see some suppressors with that legendary PSA quality control hit the streets. Hi Point has nothing on these future yeet cannons. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wasn’t it PSA’s parent company that bought them? That's what I heard. Can't wait to see some suppressors with that legendary PSA quality control hit the streets. Hi Point has nothing on these future yeet cannons. Just curious, but do you actually own any PSA products, or are you just regurgitating the BS you read on the internet? |
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Posted: 8/12/2021 4:36:35 PM EDT
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If it's shipping from Alabama you can bet on the fact that it's more likely old Remington inventory they're clearing out and probably at yard sale prices to wholesalers and dealers. I don't know. Maybe PSA is paying for some machines to be back up and running there.
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Posted: 8/12/2021 4:39:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If it's shipping from Alabama you can bet on the fact that this is old Remington inventory they're clearing out and probably at yard sale prices to wholesalers and dealers. I'll take all the SPR/M4s they have, would not mind a few original Evolutions too. 416-SD for my No Easy Day clone would be nice too. Probably not gonna happen. |
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Posted: 8/12/2021 4:43:47 PM EDT
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Personally, I'd love to see PSA bring back the Element 2.
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Posted: 8/12/2021 4:46:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Personally, I'd love to see PSA bring back the Element 2. Me too since I don't have one. I have a pilot 2 and a halcyon in my .22 line up tho |
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Posted: 8/12/2021 4:51:23 PM EDT
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Good news if they are back and running. I have a halcyon and pray nothing gets screwed up.
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Posted: 8/12/2021 4:51:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If it's shipping from Alabama you can bet on the fact that it's more likely old Remington inventory they're clearing out and probably at yard sale prices to wholesalers and dealers. I don't know. Maybe PSA is paying for some machines to be back up and running there. Wasn't the purchase just the IP and name and stuff? I thought they didn't get anything physical. |
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Posted: 8/12/2021 4:52:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good news if they are back and running. I have a halcyon and pray nothing gets screwed up. They did already say they won't warranty anything pre-purchase, so it's not a big help in that regard. It'll be interesting to see how long it takes them to get up to speed. |
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Posted: 8/12/2021 4:52:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll take all the SPR/M4s they have, would not mind a few original Evolutions too. 416-SD for my No Easy Day clone would be nice too. Probably not gonna happen. Damn Like the way you think |
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Posted: 8/12/2021 4:54:23 PM EDT
[#12]
@palmettostatearmory
Josiah can confirm that JJE bought intellectual property only. |
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Posted: 8/12/2021 4:56:28 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Me too since I don't have one. I have a pilot 2 and a halcyon in my .22 line up tho Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Personally, I'd love to see PSA bring back the Element 2. Me too since I don't have one. I have a pilot 2 and a halcyon in my .22 line up tho I should have bought a half dozen more before they were discontinued. I love my Mask, but the Element 2 sounds almost identical (about half a note higher in pitch, to my untrained ear) and is 2 oz lighter. It really was a perfect balance of weight, length, and performance, as long as you didn't mind not having skirted baffles. |
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Posted: 8/12/2021 4:58:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I should have bought a half dozen more before they were discontinued. I love my Mask, but the Element 2 sounds almost identical (about half a note higher in pitch, to my untrained ear) and is 2 oz lighter. It really was a perfect balance of weight, length, and performance, as long as you didn't mind not having skirted baffles. If anyone wants an element 2 I know of 1-2 shops that might still have old inventory. DM me. This is not a for sale. They’re not mine. Just trying to link people up. |
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Posted: 8/12/2021 5:09:34 PM EDT
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The element and tirant were best of breed
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Posted: 8/12/2021 5:28:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just curious, but do you actually own any PSA products, or are you just regurgitating the BS you read on the internet? I have seen PSA fall short on about 3 guns that I have personally laid hands on. I think it’s a valid point. Hopefully they will get it going and make some cost effective decent stuff. They do have a good warranty department. |
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Posted: 8/12/2021 5:34:19 PM EDT
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I tried to buy an AAC Mini-4 PSA had on clearance like a year or two ago for like $250.
I talked to like 4 different people and they absolutely would not ship to an out of state buyer’s SOT. Local sale only. I was salty for awhile. Even contemplated a road trip, but a dozen+ hours of driving to save a few hundred bucks didn’t make sense. I picked up a Turbo K instead, which is lighter/quieter than the Mini-4... but I still really want a M4-2000 or Mini-4. I’ve though about putting up some ads for trading my 762SD for an M4-2k or Mini-4, but dealing with two transfers seems like it could turn into a shitshow. |
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Posted: 8/12/2021 5:35:51 PM EDT
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JJE has already fired up DPMS which they purchased so maybe AAC is using the same facilities? Either way it's showing that they're getting to work on the brands they purchased.
PSA Rep comments from the above linked thread: Quoted: These are brand new firearms. DPMS is a sister company of PSA's owned by JJE Capital. DPMS will sell their products directly to dealers and through distribution. They will not be sold through the PSA website. Thank you, Josiah Quoted: DPMS is another company owned by the parent company of PSA, JJE Capital. To address the question of the 308 G2, yes they will be coming back out with the G2, but it will not be anytime in the near future. Thank you, Josiah |
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Posted: 8/12/2021 5:59:42 PM EDT
[#19]
But will they honor my damn the man $200??
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Posted: 8/12/2021 6:07:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have seen PSA fall short on about 3 guns that I have personally laid hands on. I think it’s a valid point. Hopefully they will get it going and make some cost effective decent stuff. They do have a good warranty department. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just curious, but do you actually own any PSA products, or are you just regurgitating the BS you read on the internet? I have seen PSA fall short on about 3 guns that I have personally laid hands on. I think it’s a valid point. Hopefully they will get it going and make some cost effective decent stuff. They do have a good warranty department. I have multiple PSA uppers that I would trust my life to without hesitation, but I have also had three small parts (mag catch, buffer retainer pin, and disconnect) with defects that were all promptly exchanged without hassle. I would wager that most people who badmouth PSA don't actually have any experience with their product. Lumping them in with Hi-Point is a perfect example, considering Hi-Points are actually well known for being reliable but ugly. |
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Posted: 8/12/2021 6:19:47 PM EDT
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new AAC won't honor warranty repairs on old AAC stuff.
My 762SDN6 got sent back after a long wait, unrepaired. |
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Posted: 8/12/2021 6:21:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have multiple PSA uppers that I would trust my life to without hesitation, but I have also had three small parts (mag catch, buffer retainer pin, and disconnect) with defects that were all promptly exchanged without hassle. I would wager that most people who badmouth PSA don't actually have any experience with their product. Lumping them in with Hi-Point is a perfect example, considering Hi-Points are actually well known for being reliable but ugly. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Just curious, but do you actually own any PSA products, or are you just regurgitating the BS you read on the internet? I have seen PSA fall short on about 3 guns that I have personally laid hands on. I think it’s a valid point. Hopefully they will get it going and make some cost effective decent stuff. They do have a good warranty department. I have multiple PSA uppers that I would trust my life to without hesitation, but I have also had three small parts (mag catch, buffer retainer pin, and disconnect) with defects that were all promptly exchanged without hassle. I would wager that most people who badmouth PSA don't actually have any experience with their product. Lumping them in with Hi-Point is a perfect example, considering Hi-Points are actually well known for being reliable but ugly. I’ve had several issues with “Freedom” components, but never with their “premium” line. |
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Posted: 8/12/2021 6:25:34 PM EDT
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Very interested to see what comes of this. I was late getting an Element 2 and Tirant but they are phenomenal cans.
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Posted: 8/12/2021 6:33:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: new AAC won't honor warranty repairs on old AAC stuff. My 762SDN6 got sent back after a long wait, unrepaired. Remington's AAC sent back your silencer. We have no idea what JJE's AAC policy will be. We can make assumptions but nothing is confirmed. |
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Posted: 8/12/2021 7:24:27 PM EDT
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Quoted: Remington's AAC sent back your silencer. We have no idea what JJE's AAC policy will be. We can make assumptions but nothing is confirmed. We know the vast majority of the time new companies won’t honor warranties for products they didn’t make. |
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Posted: 8/12/2021 7:24:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just curious, but do you actually own any PSA products, or are you just regurgitating the BS you read on the internet? I don't own any PSA products at the moment. I had a PSA lower and PSA upper back in the day that were fine. I know a couple of people with the CHF uppers that work well. I also know a few people that have had several problems with PSAs... One friend had a lower with out of spec trigger pin holes. The pin holding in the hammer would fall out after a magazine. Another bought a 16" Freedom Nitride upper with a poorly machined chamber/feed ramps. Sent it in and they replaced the barrel but the clowns decided to give him an "adjustable" gas block aka so canted it didn't cycle. A third bought a complete PSA lower that had a mag catch issue. There was something wrong with the mag catch where the mags would randomly fall out. He sent it back and they fixed it. So no, I'm not just making fun of PSA to sound cool. |
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Posted: 8/12/2021 8:16:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't own any PSA products at the moment. I had a PSA lower and PSA upper back in the day that were fine. I know a couple of people with the CHF uppers that work well. I also know a few people that have had several problems with PSAs... One friend had a lower with out of spec trigger pin holes. The pin holding in the hammer would fall out after a magazine. Another bought a 16" Freedom Nitride upper with a poorly machined chamber/feed ramps. Sent it in and they replaced the barrel but the clowns decided to give him an "adjustable" gas block aka so canted it didn't cycle. A third bought a complete PSA lower that had a mag catch issue. There was something wrong with the mag catch where the mags would randomly fall out. He sent it back and they fixed it. So no, I'm not just making fun of PSA to sound cool. All issues I have seen with PSA have been AK or there Glock copy related. I have a sbr using one of there uppers and it’s been 100%. Too soon to wish for $150 PSA/AAC Element 2s? Aac produced cans were seen as low as $190-200. |
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Posted: 8/12/2021 8:25:44 PM EDT
[#28]
I’m in for a $150 PSA Element and an MP5.
 ETA: PSA’s , Anderson’s, Honda’s, Toyota’s aren’t for everyone. |
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Posted: 8/12/2021 8:29:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All issues I have seen with PSA have been AK or there Glock copy related. I have a sbr using one of there uppers and it's been 100%. Too soon to wish for $150 PSA/AAC Element 2s? Aac produced cans were seen as low as $190-200. |
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Posted: 8/12/2021 8:40:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m in for a $150 PSA Element and an MP5. ETA: PSA’s , Anderson’s, Honda’s, Toyota’s aren’t for everyone. The MP5 is vaporware. It's never going to be released. The sooner people accept it the sooner they can move on. |
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Posted: 8/12/2021 8:56:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The MP5 is vaporware. It's never going to be released. The sooner people accept it the sooner they can move on. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I’m in for a $150 PSA Element and an MP5. ETA: PSA’s , Anderson’s, Honda’s, Toyota’s aren’t for everyone. The MP5 is vaporware. It's never going to be released. The sooner people accept it the sooner they can move on. That’s the joke. 
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Posted: 8/12/2021 9:07:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s the joke. Lol my bad, I'm just tired of hearing about the PSA MP5 on any MP5 related post. "I'm not paying X amount for Y MP5, I'm going to wait for the $1200 PSA." Well you'll be waiting for the rest of your life... |
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Posted: 8/12/2021 10:12:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: new AAC won't honor warranty repairs on old AAC stuff. My 762SDN6 got sent back after a long wait, unrepaired. I gotta say.. You marry an older woman, kids, ex, whatever else, you inherit the baggage. You buy AAC, you inherit its baggage. As a happy 762SDN-6 owner of 12 years without issue, if she fails and I need warranty work and "AAC" says no.... Someone's getting bitch slapped. |
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Posted: 8/12/2021 10:30:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I gotta say.. You marry an older woman, kids, ex, whatever else, you inherit the baggage. You buy AAC, you inherit its baggage. As a happy 762SDN-6 owner of 12 years without issue, if she fails and I need warranty work and "AAC" says no.... Someone's getting bitch slapped. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: new AAC won't honor warranty repairs on old AAC stuff. My 762SDN6 got sent back after a long wait, unrepaired. I gotta say.. You marry an older woman, kids, ex, whatever else, you inherit the baggage. You buy AAC, you inherit its baggage. As a happy 762SDN-6 owner of 12 years without issue, if she fails and I need warranty work and "AAC" says no.... Someone's getting bitch slapped. Look to the mirror for who to slap. |
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Posted: 8/12/2021 10:38:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: new AAC won't honor warranty repairs on old AAC stuff. My 762SDN6 got sent back after a long wait, unrepaired. That was old AAC/Remington that sent your can back. Due in large part to the bankruptcy. Who said AAC wasn't going to service the legacy models? |
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Posted: 8/12/2021 10:42:21 PM EDT
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Quoted: Look to the mirror for who to slap. Edit: I said something distasteful so removed. I know better than to swing down. |
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Posted: 8/12/2021 11:42:39 PM EDT
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AAC made really good cans. I hope they bring back the full line and all the mounts.
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Posted: 8/13/2021 4:31:42 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have multiple PSA uppers that I would trust my life to without hesitation, but I have also had three small parts (mag catch, buffer retainer pin, and disconnect) with defects that were all promptly exchanged without hassle. I would wager that most people who badmouth PSA don't actually have any experience with their product. Lumping them in with Hi-Point is a perfect example, considering Hi-Points are actually well known for being reliable but ugly. I have two PSA build kits, both 16" mid-length, on Anderson lowers with the PSA EPT trigger. Super cheap builds, probably under $400 each, and they have been 100% reliable. My girlfriend shoots a PCC that I built for her with their gen 2 Glock mag lower. I also built a rifle for her with one of their CHF barrels. They have been great. There are far worse guns you could own. |
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Posted: 8/13/2021 6:04:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I gotta say.. You marry an older woman, kids, ex, whatever else, you inherit the baggage. You buy AAC, you inherit its baggage. As a happy 762SDN-6 owner of 12 years without issue, if she fails and I need warranty work and "AAC" says no.... Someone's getting bitch slapped. Too bad that the law and common sense doesn’t agree with you. Good luck with that. |
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Posted: 8/13/2021 12:36:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Too bad that the law and common sense doesn’t agree with you. Good luck with that. Apparently our views or acknowledgements of what common sense are are very different. Frankly, I don't believe common sense has anything to do with this. Precedence, marketing, reputation, business model, and/or principal do, maybe that's what you meant. Yes, surely. Why keep a lost companies name? AAC, Craftsman, etc., your hoping for future success generated on name recognition and past reputation. Even when someone out there says "I love my SDN suppressor, AAC is great", the new AAC benefits from that. Why must the benefit only go one way? We all were or at least many were disappointed to see AAC erode away with the poor management of its parent company and the tumultuous economical and political climate of the last decade which no doubt had an effect on Remington. Many companies or conglomerates that absorb bankrupt or lost companies do indeed neglect legacy products. Just because that is common doesn't mean as consumers we cant desire higher standards for brand integrity. It is of my opinion that if a company does not wish the honor warranty claims for legacy products then ditch the legacy name. That to me is sensible. Maybe not the precedence or an easy business model. I guess it just all comes down to how you as a company wish to build and maintain respect and patronage. Good day. |
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Posted: 8/13/2021 1:06:48 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wasn't the purchase just the IP and name and stuff? I thought they didn't get anything physical. JJE did just purchase Intellectual Property and names etc. of AAC. JJE did not purchase any machinery or old inventory. Thank you, Josiah |
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Posted: 8/13/2021 1:45:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Apparently our views or acknowledgements of what common sense are are very different. Frankly, I don't believe common sense has anything to do with this. Precedence, marketing, reputation, business model, and/or principal do, maybe that's what you meant. Yes, surely. Why keep a lost companies name? AAC, Craftsman, etc., your hoping for future success generated on name recognition and past reputation. Even when someone out there says "I love my SDN suppressor, AAC is great", the new AAC benefits from that. Why must the benefit only go one way? We all were or at least many were disappointed to see AAC erode away with the poor management of its parent company and the tumultuous economical and political climate of the last decade which no doubt had an effect on Remington. Many companies or conglomerates that absorb bankrupt or lost companies do indeed neglect legacy products. Just because that is common doesn't mean as consumers we cant desire higher standards for brand integrity. It is of my opinion that if a company does not wish the honor warranty claims for legacy products then ditch the legacy name. That to me is sensible. Maybe not the precedence or an easy business model. I guess it just all comes down to how you as a company wish to build and maintain respect and patronage. Good day. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Too bad that the law and common sense doesn’t agree with you. Good luck with that. Apparently our views or acknowledgements of what common sense are are very different. Frankly, I don't believe common sense has anything to do with this. Precedence, marketing, reputation, business model, and/or principal do, maybe that's what you meant. Yes, surely. Why keep a lost companies name? AAC, Craftsman, etc., your hoping for future success generated on name recognition and past reputation. Even when someone out there says "I love my SDN suppressor, AAC is great", the new AAC benefits from that. Why must the benefit only go one way? We all were or at least many were disappointed to see AAC erode away with the poor management of its parent company and the tumultuous economical and political climate of the last decade which no doubt had an effect on Remington. Many companies or conglomerates that absorb bankrupt or lost companies do indeed neglect legacy products. Just because that is common doesn't mean as consumers we cant desire higher standards for brand integrity. It is of my opinion that if a company does not wish the honor warranty claims for legacy products then ditch the legacy name. That to me is sensible. Maybe not the precedence or an easy business model. I guess it just all comes down to how you as a company wish to build and maintain respect and patronage. Good day. Expecting JJE to warranty your old AAC products would be like expecting Springfield Armory to warranty your Garand. AAC is dead, they live on only in name. |
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Posted: 8/13/2021 1:56:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Apparently our views or acknowledgements of what common sense are are very different. Frankly, I don't believe common sense has anything to do with this. Precedence, marketing, reputation, business model, and/or principal do, maybe that's what you meant. Yes, surely. Why keep a lost companies name? AAC, Craftsman, etc., your hoping for future success generated on name recognition and past reputation. Even when someone out there says "I love my SDN suppressor, AAC is great", the new AAC benefits from that. Why must the benefit only go one way? We all were or at least many were disappointed to see AAC erode away with the poor management of its parent company and the tumultuous economical and political climate of the last decade which no doubt had an effect on Remington. Many companies or conglomerates that absorb bankrupt or lost companies do indeed neglect legacy products. Just because that is common doesn't mean as consumers we cant desire higher standards for brand integrity. It is of my opinion that if a company does not wish the honor warranty claims for legacy products then ditch the legacy name. That to me is sensible. Maybe not the precedence or an easy business model. I guess it just all comes down to how you as a company wish to build and maintain respect and patronage. Good day. And PSA lost a customer… |
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Posted: 8/13/2021 3:57:28 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And PSA lost a customer… Custom themed suppressors? Count me in! |
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Posted: 8/13/2021 5:40:12 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That was old AAC/Remington that sent your can back. Due in large part to the bankruptcy. Who said AAC wasn't going to service the legacy models? They said they wouldn't be warranting the other AAC's stuff in a thread. I think it was the thread about folks having silencers at AAC, but could be wrong. The policy may change of course, but it was stated on an internet forum, so there ya go. For production, with modern manufacturing, if they have all the information required and the equipment, setting up might not take too long. Plus, a lot of AAC/ DPMS may have been subcontracted, so easy enough to just order more now. |
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Posted: 8/13/2021 5:54:35 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: JJE did just purchase Intellectual Property and names etc. of AAC. JJE did not purchase any machinery or old inventory. Thank you, Josiah They imply it in this thread. |
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Posted: 8/13/2021 7:20:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They said they wouldn't be warranting the other AAC's stuff in a thread. I think it was the thread about folks having silencers at AAC, but could be wrong. The policy may change of course, but it was stated on an internet forum, so there ya go. For production, with modern manufacturing, if they have all the information required and the equipment, setting up might not take too long. Plus, a lot of AAC/ DPMS may have been subcontracted, so easy enough to just order more now. 
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Posted: 8/13/2021 8:21:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought they said it in this thread. They didn't directly say anything warranty related here, though they did confirm that they are not just selling old inventory I think. In the other thread, going from memory, they directly say they're not covering older products. |
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Posted: 8/13/2021 8:25:56 PM EDT
[#49]
Josiah said it in the thread where the guy had sent his can in for repair and the sale happened before he got it back. No one was at the factory to send him his can and iirc he had to get the ATF involved. Basically when the sale happened they (AAC) locked the doors and turned out the lights and left everything where it was, including other people's property.
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Posted: 8/13/2021 8:27:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought they said it in this thread. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They said they wouldn't be warranting the other AAC's stuff in a thread. I think it was the thread about folks having silencers at AAC, but could be wrong. The policy may change of course, but it was stated on an internet forum, so there ya go. For production, with modern manufacturing, if they have all the information required and the equipment, setting up might not take too long. Plus, a lot of AAC/ DPMS may have been subcontracted, so easy enough to just order more now. Pretty sure I read that draft here too. |
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