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Posted: 9/2/2020 10:55:35 PM EDT
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Yes, it is needed, and yes, that's the correct form.
Be sure to send it via email to get the fastest response. It usually takes ~2 weeks to get it back. |
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Posted: 9/2/2020 11:05:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, it is needed, and yes, that's the correct form. Be sure to send it via email to get the fastest response. It usually takes ~2 weeks to get it back. Awesome, thank you. I'll do some searching around ATF website to verify an email in the morning. Want to get this squared away sooner rather than later 
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Posted: 9/2/2020 11:36:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Awesome, thank you. I'll do some searching around ATF website to verify an email in the morning. Want to get this squared away sooner rather than later [email protected]  It's under instruction "b" on the back of the form.
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Posted: 9/3/2020 10:09:11 PM EDT
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Quote Historyawesome, thank you for pointing that out. so another question few questions... **box 3, for from date-to date, for moving, what do I put in place for that? check no for box 2 - "...to be returned to original location", then just put the move date under "from"? **box 5, address of returned form, is this my new address? **box 9, mode of transportation (carrier?)... is there an example of one filled out for a trust on arf, or somewhere on the internet in general? Just want to make certain that I'm doing this properly. I'm sorry if these are all stupid questions, NFA is still pretty new to me, and I've never had to do this yet. **I'm also noticing that the instructions on the back is saying to complete two copies, do I need to do this if I'm emailing a scanned copy? |
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Posted: 9/3/2020 11:19:06 PM EDT
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One copy is fine for emailing. Make sure you actually sign and scan it. I typed my name in a pretty font So I didn’t have to print, sign, and scan and Mr. ATF man did not approve of that.
#3 - you missed (or dates in transit, if to be perrmanently relocated). #5 is your current address because you need the form signed by Mr ATF man before crossing state lines. Leave blank if same as #1. #9 is fine to say “private conveyance” or “private automobile” If I could PM, I would send you a link to mine for my trust-owned SBR but I can’t and I don’t want to post my name and address on the inter webs. I think if you google “completed ATF Form 20 example” there’s a couple gun lawyers that have them posted. |
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Posted: 9/3/2020 11:50:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One copy is fine for emailing. Make sure you actually sign and scan it. I typed my name in a pretty font So I didn’t have to print, sign, and scan and Mr. ATF man did not approve of that. #3 - you missed (or dates in transit, if to be perrmanently relocated). #5 is your current address because you need the form signed by Mr ATF man before crossing state lines. Leave blank if same as #1. #9 is fine to say “private conveyance” or “private automobile” If I could PM, I would send you a link to mine for my trust-owned SBR but I can’t and I don’t want to post my name and address on the inter webs. I think if you google “completed ATF Form 20 example” there’s a couple gun lawyers that have them posted. Okay cool. For box 3 I put the same date for from and to, will that be acceptable? It will only take one day to transport/move the item in question. Beyond that, I believe I have this done proper per what you said and various things I've seen online. |
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Posted: 9/3/2020 11:51:21 PM EDT
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Yes you just put the day you’re traveling.
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Posted: 9/4/2020 10:33:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes you just put the day you’re traveling. Awesome, I think im good then. Form scanned and emailed this morning. Hopefully it all works out Next question I have i think might be for the guy who set my trust up, how do I go about changing the address for the trust? Will I have to get it rewritten/notarized again? |
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Posted: 9/4/2020 4:47:14 PM EDT
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There’s an example here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_17/465636_Work-In-Progress--new-F1-F4-guide-for-41F-submissions.html&page=3#i4659299
...but I think the form has been updated since then and I never updated the how-to. |
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Posted: 9/4/2020 4:54:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There’s an example here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_17/465636_Work-In-Progress--new-F1-F4-guide-for-41F-submissions.html&page=3#i4659299 ...but I think the form has been updated since then and I never updated the how-to. Yeah they updated the form in the last couple of months. I just moved interstate 5 months ago and the form was the same old form it had been for awhile, so it's a recent change. Ironically, in my move, the ATF mailed the approved form to my new address, which didn't technically exist yet (the house was being built and was due to close in the next month or so). The mailman didn't find a mailbox, so returned it to the ATF as undeliverable, which I'm sure raised some eyebrows. I called the ATF after I didn't hear for 3 weeks as it's usually pretty quick, and they said it was approved and mailed a week prior. Guess they hadn't received it back yet at that point, so they just said I'm approved and if anything happens (aka I got stopped) to just tell them you have approval on file with the ATF. I received the forms 2 months later. |
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Posted: 9/4/2020 5:05:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah they updated the form in the last couple of months. I just moved interstate 5 months ago and the form was the same old form it had been for awhile, so it's a recent change. Ironically, in my move, the ATF mailed the approved form to my new address, which didn't technically exist yet (the house was being built and was due to close in the next month or so). The mailman didn't find a mailbox, so returned it to the ATF as undeliverable, which I'm sure raised some eyebrows. I called the ATF after I didn't hear for 3 weeks as it's usually pretty quick, and they said it was approved and mailed a week prior. Guess they hadn't received it back yet at that point, so they just said I'm approved and if anything happens (aka I got stopped) to just tell them you have approval on file with the ATF. I received the forms 2 months later. I updated my Excel version, but forgot I had the how-to on here. Guess I’ll put that on my to-do list.
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Posted: 9/22/2020 1:43:52 PM EDT
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What if you don't know what day you will be traveling?
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Posted: 9/22/2020 2:49:52 PM EDT
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File it for FROM what ever day you are going to send it TO a year past that.
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Posted: 9/22/2020 10:03:28 PM EDT
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I put "upon approval". We'll see what happens.
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Posted: 9/23/2020 9:53:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I put "upon approval". We'll see what happens. Instead if an actual date? Pretty sure that one gets rejected. |
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Posted: 9/25/2020 1:33:31 AM EDT
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Also another tidbit, be sure to write the trust name as the name, and trustee next to your signed name. I have seen a rejection because of that.
For dates, just put a date before you move, no date range is needed when you check permanent move. If you need to rush it, email the form in and give them a call. On my emailed forms I included two, not sure if one will work or not. |
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