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Posted: 1/17/2023 12:07:12 PM EDT
Robert Toole or an employee of theirs, posted this on a Facebook NVG group.
From the details, its supposed to come in two varieties and work with both the 123 Scout bodies and 18650 bodies like in the Modlight. Turns your weapon light body into a MFAL. He says its fully adjustable for windage and elevation. Uses VCSEL lasers. $695 is the cost it looks like. I'm excited about this. I wanted a cheaper solution for my thermal rig, instead of using one of my PEQs.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 12:47:57 PM EDT
[#1]
That's a pretty cool idea. I was able to add a black Bravo (IR illuminator and laser) to my cart, but received a "we're unable to receive payment from your state" message. Tried different states and same thing.
Does this place only take orders over the phone? I have an extra M600 body and tailcap lying around and wanted to give this a go since it looks interesting for an IR only setup with a 3deg/40deg VSCEL illuminator and laser. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 1:25:12 PM EDT
[#2]
Corrected below. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 2:19:39 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like separate pointer and illuminator heads. With heads, bodies, tail caps, switches, and mounts, it would be about $2000 for two devices with a true MFAL capability with 130 mW illuminator. The product .pdf on the site shows two versions, one with vis and IR laser and another with an IR laser and a 3deg VSCEL illuminator that has a diffuser cap to take it to 40deg.  Attached FileI tried to buy the Bravo, but no joy... |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 2:25:54 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like separate pointer and illuminator heads. With heads, bodies, tail caps, switches, and mounts, it would be about $2000 for two devices with a true MFAL capability with 130 mW illuminator. No, one head option has IR pointer/IR illuminator, the other head option has IR pointer/Vis pointer. Having both would not make any sense (two IR pointers). The issue I have with this is that the heads, specifically the IR illumination, do not have any output adjustability. That sucker is on, all 130 mW of it, and that is a LOT of illumination from a tightly focused VCSEL laser. Overpowered for indoor use, and there doesn't seem to be any method of activating just the IR pointer. There's a lot of cool things going on here, especially the compatibility with 18650/18350 and single or double 123 cells, but they've got to figure out variable output and IR pointer only before it becomes viable as a well rounded IR option. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 2:30:10 PM EDT
[#5]
This is really cool and a great concept. I hope it develops into something where laser and illum can be fired independently, or at the last just laser without the illum.
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Posted: 1/17/2023 2:36:08 PM EDT
[#6]
Yum
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Posted: 1/17/2023 2:55:39 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is really cool and a great concept. I hope it develops into something where laser and illum can be fired independently, or at the last just laser without the illum. Phantom Hill unit without the lasers built in, perhaps? If they gave it a tape switch input or two, they'd probably have a cool solution. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 3:06:22 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The product .pdf on the site shows two versions, one with vis and IR laser and another with an IR laser and a 3deg VSCEL illuminator that has a diffuser cap to take it to 40deg. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/302703/3EIR_JPG-2675573.JPG I tried to buy the Bravo, but no joy... So essentially the Delta is like a CQBL, which is still super useful. The Bravo is sort of like a PEQ-2 but VCSEL and no power options. I think these two ideas are still very usable and much needed to fill in some roles for people with limited laser options. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 3:09:02 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That sucker is on, all 130 mW of it, and that is a LOT of illumination from a tightly focused VCSEL laser. If it performs like the PDF file shows, it will be useful as an illuminator. We will see once content creators start reviewing them. The post on FB said they have given these to some influences and we should be seeing content soon. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 3:10:03 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The product .pdf on the site shows two versions, one with vis and IR laser and another with an IR laser and a 3deg VSCEL illuminator that has a diffuser cap to take it to 40deg. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/302703/3EIR_JPG-2675573.JPG I tried to buy the Bravo, but no joy... My mistake, I was looking at the Delta model in the link. The Bravo with laser and illuminator looks cool. I'd prefer a 10 degree diffuser over a 40 degree, but maybe they will offer options like the Kiji at some point. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 3:17:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So essentially the Delta is like a CQBL, which is still super useful. The Bravo is sort of like a PEQ-2 but VCSEL and no power options. I think these two ideas are still very usable and much needed to fill in some roles for people with limited laser options. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The product .pdf on the site shows two versions, one with vis and IR laser and another with an IR laser and a 3deg VSCEL illuminator that has a diffuser cap to take it to 40deg. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/302703/3EIR_JPG-2675573.JPG I tried to buy the Bravo, but no joy... So essentially the Delta is like a CQBL, which is still super useful. The Bravo is sort of like a PEQ-2 but VCSEL and no power options. I think these two ideas are still very usable and much needed to fill in some roles for people with limited laser options. Yup, that's why I wanted the Bravo. Slap an extra M600 body and clicky tailcap I have laying around on the side of a lightweight upper and run it with the diffuser on the VSCEL illuminator. If I need more range then I slide the diffuser off and let the 3 deg goodness hunt... |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 7:51:45 PM EDT
[#12]
I like that the Delta has co-aligned lasers. Would be neat to pair with a Kiji or original Vulcan which seems to be no longer listed. Control both with a TAPS-Sync switch.
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Posted: 1/17/2023 10:13:18 PM EDT
[#13]
This looks pretty cool.
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Posted: 1/18/2023 12:11:54 AM EDT
[#14]
I’m looking at these as well.
One interesting consideration is that you are probably relying on the tightness of the head to maintain zero. If it backed off for any reason you would lose zero I assume. Return to zero after a battery change probably isn’t realistic either. Quite a detriment to the weirdos that prefer a parallel zero. Perhaps slightly remedied by witness marks/paint pen (or a proper converging zero) You are also relying on the rigidity of your light mount. I have bent my light mounts before from drops. For this reason I wouldn’t consider it to be for hard/professional use (regardless of how robust the head itself is). I’m interested regardless, and I ,like most people here, are probably not going to be deploying to a war zone any time soon. |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 12:48:37 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m looking at these as well. One interesting consideration is that you are probably relying on the tightness of the head to maintain zero. If it backed off for any reason you would lose zero I assume. Return to zero after a battery change probably isn’t realistic either. Quite a detriment to the weirdos that prefer a parallel zero. Perhaps slightly remedied by witness marks/paint pen (or a proper converging zero) You are also relying on the rigidity of your light mount. I have bent my light mounts before from drops. For this reason I wouldn’t consider it to be for hard/professional use (regardless of how robust the head itself is). I’m interested regardless, and I ,like most people here, are probably not going to be deploying to a war zone any time soon. All of this^^^, but still kind of cool. It couldn’t be any worse than the Surefire L72 lol.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 1:05:43 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m looking at these as well. One interesting consideration is that you are probably relying on the tightness of the head to maintain zero. If it backed off for any reason you would lose zero I assume. Return to zero after a battery change probably isn’t realistic either. Quite a detriment to the weirdos that prefer a parallel zero. Perhaps slightly remedied by witness marks/paint pen (or a proper converging zero) You are also relying on the rigidity of your light mount. I have bent my light mounts before from drops. For this reason I wouldn’t consider it to be for hard/professional use (regardless of how robust the head itself is). I’m interested regardless, and I ,like most people here, are probably not going to be deploying to a war zone any time soon. I don’t think its target audience will be professional or hard use customers IMO, for the reasons you listed. But this is great for say, running at 12 o’clock on a Scout or Modlight Pistol Light with a divergent zero. Personally, I want one to throw on my thermal rig. If anything it would be strictly for pointing something out if my hunting buddy had his goggles down, or using it to shoot <50y if I’m moving from spot to spot. |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 1:17:03 AM EDT
[#17]
If only you could fire the laser and illuminator separately I would snap one up immediately.
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Posted: 1/18/2023 7:49:33 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If only you could fire the laser and illuminator separately I would snap one up immediately. Yeah. The only option I see there is to get the Delta (vis+IR) and pair it with a separate illuminator controlled with a Unity TAPS Sync. |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 8:32:05 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t think its target audience will be professional or hard use customers IMO, for the reasons you listed. But this is great for say, running at 12 o’clock on a Scout or Modlight Pistol Light with a divergent zero. Personally, I want one to throw on my thermal rig. If anything it would be strictly for pointing something out if my hunting buddy had his goggles down, or using it to shoot <50y if I’m moving from spot to spot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I’m looking at these as well. One interesting consideration is that you are probably relying on the tightness of the head to maintain zero. If it backed off for any reason you would lose zero I assume. Return to zero after a battery change probably isn’t realistic either. Quite a detriment to the weirdos that prefer a parallel zero. Perhaps slightly remedied by witness marks/paint pen (or a proper converging zero) You are also relying on the rigidity of your light mount. I have bent my light mounts before from drops. For this reason I wouldn’t consider it to be for hard/professional use (regardless of how robust the head itself is). I’m interested regardless, and I ,like most people here, are probably not going to be deploying to a war zone any time soon. I don’t think its target audience will be professional or hard use customers IMO, for the reasons you listed. But this is great for say, running at 12 o’clock on a Scout or Modlight Pistol Light with a divergent zero. Personally, I want one to throw on my thermal rig. If anything it would be strictly for pointing something out if my hunting buddy had his goggles down, or using it to shoot <50y if I’m moving from spot to spot. Kinda what I was thinking. I have a spare pic mount M600 in the safe that I could swap the head on and be up and running with a lower profile/lighter IR laser/illuminator that uses the simple SF tail cap for activation. I'm not a fan of tape switches, so keeping the dual activation to an onboard button makes me happy. The paint pen idea for RTZ makes sense, and getting it zeroed on the thermal gat could be as easy as getting the gun into a solid mount with the thermal reticle on the target and then moving the IR laser to the same spot under NVGs. I messaged 3EIR about my inability to purchase and asked if it was a website issue or a "not yet available" situation. If the later, I asked for an ETA. I'll add their response here if /when they get back to me. |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 1:08:39 PM EDT
[#20]
This with my Malkoff adapter would make a very handy night vision-capable setup on my MP5 on my existing 628 handguard. Definitely interested... but I can't see this as a serious-use system given the mounting requirements.
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Posted: 1/18/2023 1:36:15 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Phantom Hill unit without the lasers built in, perhaps? If they gave it a tape switch input or two, they'd probably have a cool solution. @erwos i was thinking this aswell. A narrower housing that doesnt have the phantom hill laser, just two light heads. Three buttons for left, right, or both lights. This laser head and a kiji. Option for tape switches too. Sounds like its getting pretty expensive! |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 2:20:28 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @erwos i was thinking this aswell. A narrower housing that doesnt have the phantom hill laser, just two light heads. Three buttons for left, right, or both lights. This laser head and a kiji. Option for tape switches too. Sounds like its getting pretty expensive! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Phantom Hill unit without the lasers built in, perhaps? If they gave it a tape switch input or two, they'd probably have a cool solution. @erwos i was thinking this aswell. A narrower housing that doesnt have the phantom hill laser, just two light heads. Three buttons for left, right, or both lights. This laser head and a kiji. Option for tape switches too. Sounds like its getting pretty expensive! Maybe, but what's exciting about your idea is that as laser technology advances, you could just swap heads to upgrade. |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 2:40:20 PM EDT
[#23]
I asked him for something like this months ago for use on my Benelli m4. I doubt I was the catalyst, but it feels tailor made!
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Posted: 1/18/2023 4:33:51 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My mistake, I was looking at the Delta model in the link. The Bravo with laser and illuminator looks cool. I'd prefer a 10 degree diffuser over a 40 degree, but maybe they will offer options like the Kiji at some point. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The product .pdf on the site shows two versions, one with vis and IR laser and another with an IR laser and a 3deg VSCEL illuminator that has a diffuser cap to take it to 40deg. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/302703/3EIR_JPG-2675573.JPG I tried to buy the Bravo, but no joy... My mistake, I was looking at the Delta model in the link. The Bravo with laser and illuminator looks cool. I'd prefer a 10 degree diffuser over a 40 degree, but maybe they will offer options like the Kiji at some point. I'm also curious to learn more about the bravo but i suspect the very wide 40 degree diffuser is meant to tame the illuminator output. At this pricepoint, I bet the output isnt going to be adjustable and itll be less useful at shorter distances. The strongest point of the KIJI 3 is the programmability, i can tap/hold once for 15mW to use at shorter distances and then cycle it to 85mW to go further. If this thing is going to always be on full assblast 130 mW, it will be impressive but much less useful. Here's to hoping I am wrong and low/medium/high output can be adjusted |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 5:42:45 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No, one head option has IR pointer/IR illuminator, the other head option has IR pointer/Vis pointer. Having both would not make any sense (two IR pointers). The issue I have with this is that the heads, specifically the IR illumination, do not have any output adjustability. That sucker is on, all 130 mW of it, and that is a LOT of illumination from a tightly focused VCSEL laser. Overpowered for indoor use, and there doesn't seem to be any method of activating just the IR pointer. There's a lot of cool things going on here, especially the compatibility with 18650/18350 and single or double 123 cells, but they've got to figure out variable output and IR pointer only before it becomes viable as a well rounded IR option. Okay, that's pretty darn cool. I guess my only gripe that would prevent me from buying it is that you can't have the illuminator model with a vis pointer coaligned to an IR pointer. The diffusion issue will probably be solved by Villain Weapon Systems to give us more flood. The price and concept is amazing. My hats off to them for sure. |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 6:05:27 PM EDT
[#26]
This was already mentioned but how does one index that light head in the same orientation every time? How are they going to guarantee that the elevation adjustment ends up at 12 o'clock versus...wherever the threads stop or bottom out? I'm sure that's a relatively easy engineering solution but...that's above my paygrade.
Anyone have any insight into this or more information to share? I fired off an email to 3EIR so we will see what they have to say about availability. |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 6:38:27 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This was already mentioned but how does one index that light head in the same orientation every time? How are they going to guarantee that the elevation adjustment ends up at 12 o'clock versus...wherever the threads stop or bottom out? I'm sure that's a relatively easy engineering solution but...that's above my paygrade. Anyone have any insight into this or more information to share? I fired off an email to 3EIR so we will see what they have to say about availability. It's a laser, not a precision scope. Just spin the adjustments until the dot touches the dot in your optic. |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 7:51:21 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a laser, not a precision scope. Just spin the adjustments until the dot touches the dot in your optic. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This was already mentioned but how does one index that light head in the same orientation every time? How are they going to guarantee that the elevation adjustment ends up at 12 o'clock versus...wherever the threads stop or bottom out? I'm sure that's a relatively easy engineering solution but...that's above my paygrade. Anyone have any insight into this or more information to share? I fired off an email to 3EIR so we will see what they have to say about availability. It's a laser, not a precision scope. Just spin the adjustments until the dot touches the dot in your optic. Kinda what I was thinking. Or there’s a thin lock washer that sits between the head and body on the threads and snugs the head up from the backside once oriented properly, though that would presumably kill any water resistance by leaving exposed threads for water to creep in. |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 7:57:27 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm also curious to learn more about the bravo but i suspect the very wide 40 degree diffuser is meant to tame the illuminator output. At this pricepoint, I bet the output isnt going to be adjustable and itll be less useful at shorter distances. The strongest point of the KIJI 3 is the programmability, i can tap/hold once for 15mW to use at shorter distances and then cycle it to 85mW to go further. If this thing is going to always be on full assblast 130 mW, it will be impressive but much less useful. Here's to hoping I am wrong and low/medium/high output can be adjusted Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The product .pdf on the site shows two versions, one with vis and IR laser and another with an IR laser and a 3deg VSCEL illuminator that has a diffuser cap to take it to 40deg. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/302703/3EIR_JPG-2675573.JPG I tried to buy the Bravo, but no joy... My mistake, I was looking at the Delta model in the link. The Bravo with laser and illuminator looks cool. I'd prefer a 10 degree diffuser over a 40 degree, but maybe they will offer options like the Kiji at some point. I'm also curious to learn more about the bravo but i suspect the very wide 40 degree diffuser is meant to tame the illuminator output. At this pricepoint, I bet the output isnt going to be adjustable and itll be less useful at shorter distances. The strongest point of the KIJI 3 is the programmability, i can tap/hold once for 15mW to use at shorter distances and then cycle it to 85mW to go further. If this thing is going to always be on full assblast 130 mW, it will be impressive but much less useful. Here's to hoping I am wrong and low/medium/high output can be adjusted I’m guessing it’s 3deg of BLAM! or the diffuser goes on to make it a nice soft indoor use flood with the IR laser in the middle-ish of both. It’s a compromise, but the price is also less than half of the next VSCEL illuminator and IR laser I’m aware of. And this lets you use an easily sourced, lightweight, small footprint flashlight body for your mount and switch. I don’t think it’s designed to replace a PEQ-15 or MAWL. Seems like a great tool on an M300 or M600 body and tailcap on a short barrel PCC or the like. |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 8:22:27 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m guessing it’s 3deg of BLAM! or the diffuser goes on to make it a nice soft indoor use flood with the IR laser in the middle-ish of both. It’s a compromise, but the price is also less than half of the next VSCEL illuminator and IR laser I’m aware of. And this lets you use an easily sourced, lightweight, small footprint flashlight body for your mount and switch. I don’t think it’s designed to replace a PEQ-15 or MAWL. Seems like a great tool on an M300 or M600 body and tailcap on a short barrel PCC or the like. This is what a lot of people are missing, I think. Whether it's these units or the CTF or whatever, we're seeing the beginnings of what I think will be a very aggressive civilian market for IR pointers and illuminators. I'm thinking along the lines of a Leupold VX-5 vs a Mark 5. |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 9:14:13 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is what a lot of people are missing, I think. Whether it's these units or the CTF or whatever, we're seeing the beginnings of what I think will be a very aggressive civilian market for IR pointers and illuminators. I'm thinking along the lines of a Leupold VX-5 vs a Mark 5. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I’m guessing it’s 3deg of BLAM! or the diffuser goes on to make it a nice soft indoor use flood with the IR laser in the middle-ish of both. It’s a compromise, but the price is also less than half of the next VSCEL illuminator and IR laser I’m aware of. And this lets you use an easily sourced, lightweight, small footprint flashlight body for your mount and switch. I don’t think it’s designed to replace a PEQ-15 or MAWL. Seems like a great tool on an M300 or M600 body and tailcap on a short barrel PCC or the like. This is what a lot of people are missing, I think. Whether it's these units or the CTF or whatever, we're seeing the beginnings of what I think will be a very aggressive civilian market for IR pointers and illuminators. I'm thinking along the lines of a Leupold VX-5 vs a Mark 5. Agreed. And I like it. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 4:06:36 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a laser, not a precision scope. Just spin the adjustments until the dot touches the dot in your optic. I get it. However, I don't trust zero's that have not been confirmed. I often times dont have a chance to confirm zero before going out to hunt or go on duty (not saying I would use this at work). I charge up flashlights and all batteries for thermals before I leave to go hunt. I'd like to think that the laser would return to zero but it's a mental issue with me. I don't trust it until I put it on paper which I can't always do. IF the head has some kind of "stop" that allows it to index in the same manner every time then awesome. If it's as simple as screw it on until the adjustments are at 12 and 6 or 9 o'clock then I don't think that will be very repeatable. I'm not expecting the world from this. I'd just like to think that the products that are coming out are actually going to work and that they're not going to be a giant pain in the ass. While 700 bucks isn't 3600 for a MAWL, it's still 700 dollars... Any way you slice the pie, I like where 3EIR is going with this. The more options we have that are VCSEL based, the happier I am. |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 12:50:05 AM EDT
[#33]
I messaged Robert when I saw him post these on his FB. I asked the question about zeroing with a light head that rotates. He said it will have a set screw to keep it from spinning loose or changing position. He also said price point would be "around 500". I wonder if they will be less money from US Night Vision? The Designate IR-V is 1799 on US Night Vision and listed as 2099 on EIR's website. Last he said they were working on the website and would be ready to ship post SHOT show. I expect thats why you cannot actually purchase yet.
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Posted: 1/20/2023 3:19:24 AM EDT
[#34]
For 500$ I am sold on one and will live without separate laser/light control. That is a pretty kickass value in the current market.
I am a bit curious what putting the same lasers and vcel illuminators costs 3x as much in a box (like a designate irv) as it does in another format though. |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 7:14:07 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I messaged Robert when I saw him post these on his FB. I asked the question about zeroing with a light head that rotates. He said it will have a set screw to keep it from spinning loose or changing position. He also said price point would be "around 500". I wonder if they will be less money from US Night Vision? The Designate IR-V is 1799 on US Night Vision and listed as 2099 on EIR's website. Last he said they were working on the website and would be ready to ship post SHOT show. I expect thats why you cannot actually purchase yet. Thanks for the background |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 7:15:07 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For 500$ I am sold on one and will live without separate laser/light control. That is a pretty kickass value in the current market. I am a bit curious what putting the same lasers and vcel illuminators costs 3x as much in a box (like a designate irv) as it does in another format though. It’s what the market will bear. I wonder if thing works if it’ll push some other options cheaper. |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 8:08:13 AM EDT
[#37]
Pretty neat. Price is right too.
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Posted: 1/25/2023 7:56:21 PM EDT
[#38]
Anybody know if they have double tap for constant on? Or do they rely on you having a switch or tailcap with a dedicated button?
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:01:37 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Anybody know if they have double tap for constant on? Or do they rely on you having a switch or tailcap with a dedicated button? Looks like it’s just a head swap to an existing flashlight body using the tail cap. The commands for the head are determined by the tailcap and/or tape switch that plugs into said tailcap. No actual hands on experience, but it appears to be billed as a plug and play thing. |
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Posted: 1/26/2023 12:39:22 AM EDT
[#40]
This looks like a good option for some.
I'm eagerly awaiting some independent reviews! |
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Posted: 1/26/2023 2:38:35 PM EDT
[#41]
Does anyone know if these are shipping?
The company is not responding to my emails and their phone has been off the hook for ages. I'd buy one but.....yeah...don't really want to pay for something that's vaporware. I'd also like to know if the output varies between battery types. |
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Posted: 1/26/2023 2:56:14 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Does anyone know if these are shipping? The company is not responding to my emails and their phone has been off the hook for ages. I'd buy one but.....yeah...don't really want to pay for something that's vaporware. I'd also like to know if the output varies between battery types. Seems like a few of us have emailed the company with no response. These was something posted upthread about them becoming available after SHOT, but we all know how that goes. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:31:08 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like it’s just a head swap to an existing flashlight body using the tail cap. The commands for the head are determined by the tailcap and/or tape switch that plugs into said tailcap. No actual hands on experience, but it appears to be billed as a plug and play thing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Anybody know if they have double tap for constant on? Or do they rely on you having a switch or tailcap with a dedicated button? Looks like it’s just a head swap to an existing flashlight body using the tail cap. The commands for the head are determined by the tailcap and/or tape switch that plugs into said tailcap. No actual hands on experience, but it appears to be billed as a plug and play thing. I agree, but that still leaves open the question. The flashlight body is just a conductor. What the head does with the electricity is up to the head. The reason I ask is thinking about a PL350 body which doesn't have constant on. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 9:49:04 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree, but that still leaves open the question. The flashlight body is just a conductor. What the head does with the electricity is up to the head. The reason I ask is thinking about a PL350 body which doesn't have constant on. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Anybody know if they have double tap for constant on? Or do they rely on you having a switch or tailcap with a dedicated button? Looks like it’s just a head swap to an existing flashlight body using the tail cap. The commands for the head are determined by the tailcap and/or tape switch that plugs into said tailcap. No actual hands on experience, but it appears to be billed as a plug and play thing. I agree, but that still leaves open the question. The flashlight body is just a conductor. What the head does with the electricity is up to the head. The reason I ask is thinking about a PL350 body which doesn't have constant on. Yep, I think we're all just working with assumptions at this point as I'm not aware of any additional info on these from the manufacturer or a reviewer at SHOT. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 3:42:15 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree, but that still leaves open the question. The flashlight body is just a conductor. What the head does with the electricity is up to the head. The reason I ask is thinking about a PL350 body which doesn't have constant on. Isn't that due to the tail cap on the PL350? The heads are all the same. All modlite heads have the capability to run constant on/momentary. Does the PL350 have the ability to accept a surefire style scout tail cap? If so, could you clicky that setup into constant on? I would bet so provided the threads on the PL350 body are scout style rear threads. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:28:31 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn't that due to the tail cap on the PL350? The heads are all the same. All modlite heads have the capability to run constant on/momentary. Does the PL350 have the ability to accept a surefire style scout tail cap? If so, could you clicky that setup into constant on? No. The PL350 switch is not user-serviceable. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:38:09 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No. The PL350 switch is not user-serviceable. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Isn't that due to the tail cap on the PL350? The heads are all the same. All modlite heads have the capability to run constant on/momentary. Does the PL350 have the ability to accept a surefire style scout tail cap? If so, could you clicky that setup into constant on? No. The PL350 switch is not user-serviceable. Well, that just seems like a terrible host then. Seems like this thing is built for the 3 or 6v body with a swappable head and tailcap to give you clicky cap and/or tape switch capability. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 9:05:46 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree, but that still leaves open the question. The flashlight body is just a conductor. What the head does with the electricity is up to the head. The reason I ask is thinking about a PL350 body which doesn't have constant on. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 10:11:34 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No. The PL350 switch is not user-serviceable. I'm an idiot. I meant the PDW350. Sorry guys. |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 3:36:01 AM EDT
[#50]
It might be interesting with the Echo Arms dual light body setup. Click cap for white light and the same or a switch for the IR laser and illuminator.
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