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Posted: 2/25/2023 9:05:21 PM EDT
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Noreen recently came out with their 50bmg pistol version. Now they got a 16.5" rifle version. The muzzle blast is going to be insane. Link |
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We did a BFG50 16" bolt gun at Serbu once. It was a hoot. Not as much recoil as you would expect. Decent muzzle flash.
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Originally Posted By Mk-211: Remember when Mark sent the shorty to Al here in SoCal? Can you guess who shot it first?  I think he still has it or Darin does, that was fun to shoot! George had a super short single shot Bullpup 50bmg. I forget what that thing was called. |
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Originally Posted By realwar: George had a super short single shot Bullpup 50bmg. I forget what that thing was called. Originally Posted By realwar: Originally Posted By Mk-211: Remember when Mark sent the shorty to Al here in SoCal? Can you guess who shot it first? I think he still has it or Darin does, that was fun to shoot! George had a super short single shot Bullpup 50bmg. I forget what that thing was called. When I think of super short, bullpup, 50bmg, my first thought is Maadi Griffin |
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Originally Posted By Sinsbad69: When I think of super short, bullpup, 50bmg, my first thought is Maadi Griffin Yep. I think it was this. https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2022/08/30/hot-gat-fudd-crap-50-bmg-bullpup-blaster-imminent-disaster/ |
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Originally Posted By realwar: Yep. I think it was this. https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2022/08/30/hot-gat-fudd-crap-50-bmg-bullpup-blaster-imminent-disaster/ There was a guy in the mid ‘90s that would show up at Knob Creek shoot with a bull pup very similar to that one. Someplace I have a pic of the wife holding it. Can’t remember the guys name now. |
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This is what I think of.. Looks fun Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Sinsbad69: This is what I think of.. Looks fun https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/58665/F0827AA8-7D89-4E28-BD3F-F896EEFDA95E_jpe-2729441.JPG Cheek weld next to a hand grenade......cool looking but I'll pass on shooting it. |
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Originally Posted By Sinsbad69: When I think of super short, bullpup, 50bmg, my first thought is Maadi Griffin Originally Posted By Sinsbad69: Originally Posted By realwar: Originally Posted By Mk-211: Remember when Mark sent the shorty to Al here in SoCal? Can you guess who shot it first? I think he still has it or Darin does, that was fun to shoot! George had a super short single shot Bullpup 50bmg. I forget what that thing was called. When I think of super short, bullpup, 50bmg, my first thought is Maadi Griffin I remember the magazine ads for those...and the ATF shutting them down, lol. |
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Originally Posted By realwar: Noreen recently came out with their 50bmg pistol version. Now they got a 16.5" rifle version. The muzzle blast is going to be insane. Link Yeah... I'll admit, I don't get it. Is the goal to see if you can embed unburnt powder in the people nearby, from the muzzle brake backblast? |
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Pointless novelty unless you want to feel similar to a crewman from "Guns of Navarone" when it let loose. Gun of Navarone Crew |
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Originally Posted By Indrid-Cold: Pointless novelty unless you want to feel similar to a crewman from "Guns of Navarone" when it let loose. Gun of Navarone Crew Attached File |
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That's an 'other' NOT a pistol according to aft.
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Originally Posted By booger-hooker: I'd like to have a 16.5" rifle chambered in .50 S-T but haven't got around to it yet. That would be a hoot. I have around 200 or so Spotter-Tracer rounds and some once fired brass. Should ask Mark about a BFG50 chambered for S-T. |
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Forearm, my bad. https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/57/464/franchi-spas12-semiautomaticslide-action-shotgun-with-folding That curved piece on the stock acts like a carrying handle when folded up. When unfolded, you can turn it sideways and place it under your forearm for support. |
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Originally Posted By Mk-211: Forearm, my bad. https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/57/464/franchi-spas12-semiautomaticslide-action-shotgun-with-folding That curved piece on the stock acts like a carrying handle when folded up. When unfolded, you can turn it sideways and place it under your forearm for support. 
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They got a fully adjustable stock in the works. https://www.facebook.com/people/Noreen-Firearms/100063569262466/ |
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Originally Posted By realwar: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32274/Screenshot_2023-03-19_at_21-29-12_Noreen-2753033.JPG What would be the big deal with selling it as pictured with a 16.5" barrel and no stock? Let the customer save a few bucks and install the stock they want. Too bad the other manufacturer wasn't named. |
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Originally Posted By 50cal: What would be the big deal with selling it as pictured with a 16.5" barrel and no stock? Let the customer save a few bucks and install the stock they want. Too bad the other manufacturer wasn't named. Technically once there is a pistol avail that shoots the caliber, loaded AP ammo is banned for sale. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/general-notice/armor-piercing-ammunition That would likely catch AP, API, and APIT and piss off a *LOT* of 50 cal shooters. One-off novelty pistols aside, a production model might poke the bear too much. Not a good idea especially at this exact point in time. |
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Originally Posted By smdub: Technically once there is a pistol avail that shoots the caliber, loaded AP ammo is banned for sale. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/general-notice/armor-piercing-ammunition That would likely catch AP, API, and APIT and piss off a *LOT* of 50 cal shooters. One-off novelty pistols aside, a production model might poke the bear too much. Not a good idea especially at this exact point in time. Honestly screw any manufacturer that barks up that tree... |
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Originally Posted By Houlds: Honestly screw any manufacturer that barks up that tree... Originally Posted By Houlds: Originally Posted By smdub: Technically once there is a pistol avail that shoots the caliber, loaded AP ammo is banned for sale. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/general-notice/armor-piercing-ammunition That would likely catch AP, API, and APIT and piss off a *LOT* of 50 cal shooters. One-off novelty pistols aside, a production model might poke the bear too much. Not a good idea especially at this exact point in time. Honestly screw any manufacturer that barks up that tree... This is simply not true, and has been proven as such many times over many years. Making a pistol that can shoot some random cartridge does not make it a "pistol cartridge", and beyond that the AP law only affects the manufacture and importation, NOT the sale/ownership/use, of such rounds. For those that doubt, just look up the caliber options Thomspon/Center offers (and has for decades), and compare against currently-produced ammunition with solid-brass projectiles. It helps to have the actual law pertaining to "Armor Piercing Ammunition" on hand so you can see the definition they set. I have one of the supposedly-nonexistant Safety Harbor SHTF-50 "pistol" uppers, with a 12.5" barrel that conveniently has a permanent muzzle brake that brings it to 16.5" for deniability purposes. The blast is abusive, the recoil is about the same as a stout 12ga load. My shoulder can take it all day, but my sinuses are only good for 2-3 rounds before I'm getting a headache (and probably risking a retina separation) and need to call it. It still breaks 2000fps with any factory ammo, and even on the lighter end it has 2-3x the energy and momentum of a .308 round at the muzzle. |
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Originally Posted By rudderbutter: This is simply not true, and has been proven as such many times over many years. Making a pistol that can shoot some random cartridge does not make it a "pistol cartridge", and beyond that the AP law only affects the manufacture and importation, NOT the sale/ownership/use, of such rounds. For those that doubt, just look up the caliber options Thomspon/Center offers (and has for decades), and compare against currently-produced ammunition with solid-brass projectiles. It helps to have the actual law pertaining to "Armor Piercing Ammunition" on hand so you can see the definition they set. I have one of the supposedly-nonexistant Safety Harbor SHTF-50 "pistol" uppers, with a 12.5" barrel that conveniently has a permanent muzzle brake that brings it to 16.5" for deniability purposes. The blast is abusive, the recoil is about the same as a stout 12ga load. My shoulder can take it all day, but my sinuses are only good for 2-3 rounds before I'm getting a headache (and probably risking a retina separation) and need to call it. It still breaks 2000fps with any factory ammo, and even on the lighter end it has 2-3x the energy and momentum of a .308 round at the muzzle. Since this is a tech forum... Dear  ETA - I'm impressed that you're still getting 2000fps out of 8-9 inches of barrel. Is that chronographed? |
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Originally Posted By rudderbutter: This is simply not true, and has been proven as such many times over many years. Making a pistol that can shoot some random cartridge does not make it a "pistol cartridge", and beyond that the AP law only affects the manufacture and importation, NOT the sale/ownership/use, of such rounds. For those that doubt, just look up the caliber options Thomspon/Center offers (and has for decades), and compare against currently-produced ammunition with solid-brass projectiles. It helps to have the actual law pertaining to "Armor Piercing Ammunition" on hand so you can see the definition they set. I have one of the supposedly-nonexistant Safety Harbor SHTF-50 "pistol" uppers, with a 12.5" barrel that conveniently has a permanent muzzle brake that brings it to 16.5" for deniability purposes. The blast is abusive, the recoil is about the same as a stout 12ga load. My shoulder can take it all day, but my sinuses are only good for 2-3 rounds before I'm getting a headache (and probably risking a retina separation) and need to call it. It still breaks 2000fps with any factory ammo, and even on the lighter end it has 2-3x the energy and momentum of a .308 round at the muzzle. |
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Originally Posted By rudderbutter: This is simply not true, and has been proven as such many times over many years. Making a pistol that can shoot some random cartridge does not make it a "pistol cartridge", and beyond that the AP law only affects the manufacture and importation, NOT the sale/ownership/use, of such rounds. For those that doubt, just look up the caliber options Thomspon/Center offers (and has for decades), and compare against currently-produced ammunition with solid-brass projectiles. It helps to have the actual law pertaining to "Armor Piercing Ammunition" on hand so you can see the definition they set. I posted a link to the actual law. There is an exemption for 'single shot' pistols like the TC. Since this 50 is also single-shot it should also be exempt as a true pistol (but I still think it would be poking the bear.) |
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Originally Posted By smdub: I posted a link to the actual law. There is an exemption for 'single shot' pistols like the TC. Since this 50 is also single-shot it should also be exempt as a true pistol (but I still think it would be poking the bear.) Don't poke the bear. The aft could |
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Originally Posted By smdub: Technically once there is a pistol avail that shoots the caliber, loaded AP ammo is banned for sale. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/general-notice/armor-piercing-ammunition That would likely catch AP, API, and APIT and piss off a *LOT* of 50 cal shooters. One-off novelty pistols aside, a production model might poke the bear too much. Not a good idea especially at this exact point in time. Originally Posted By smdub: Originally Posted By 50cal: What would be the big deal with selling it as pictured with a 16.5" barrel and no stock? Let the customer save a few bucks and install the stock they want. Too bad the other manufacturer wasn't named. Technically once there is a pistol avail that shoots the caliber, loaded AP ammo is banned for sale. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/general-notice/armor-piercing-ammunition That would likely catch AP, API, and APIT and piss off a *LOT* of 50 cal shooters. One-off novelty pistols aside, a production model might poke the bear too much. Not a good idea especially at this exact point in time. Which is why I think it's pretty fucking stupid. All for a novelty muzzle flashbang. |
| With all the what the ATF considered AR pistols, it would seem they would have taken issue with M855 green tip. |
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Originally Posted By 50cal: With all the what the ATF considered AR pistols, it would seem they would have taken issue with M855 green tip. They did. But if you look at the ATF doc I linked there are at least three AP rounds that are currently exempted due to 'sporting use'. M109, M855, and 30-06 M2. It alludes to others that have applied for exemption but I suspect they are low production 'solids'? |
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