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KS, USA
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Posted: 4/13/2018 11:32:54 PM EDT
[#1]
Yeah I'm in this lovely hell hole as well. Check cashed 2/27/17 for two Form 4 suppressors. Still waiting and been pending FBI background check for a couple months now. Also had another one go pending April 2017 that I got back in Jan 2018 on the same trust. Makes no sense. I keep thinking it'll be any day, but then I see posts about 500+ days and my optimism goes away.
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Posted: 4/14/2018 4:13:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bubbagumpshrimp:
I finally got around to calling on mine (filed with a trust). The ATF received the paperwork late September (the date I was given by the ATF rep matched my certified mail delivery receipt). My status is "Pending" (which is what I was expecting to hear). Not sure what it's pending (I didn't care enough to press on that). Anyways....quick/painless process to call and check (this is my first NFA application).  |
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Posted: 4/17/2018 10:02:07 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bubbagumpshrimp: My stamp came in. Will go get it and the can next week. So pretty much seven months on the dot for filing with a trust. |
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KS, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2018 8:31:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ctprelude:
Yeah I'm in this lovely hell hole as well. Check cashed 2/27/17 for two Form 4 suppressors. Still waiting and been pending FBI background check for a couple months now. Also had another one go pending April 2017 that I got back in Jan 2018 on the same trust. Makes no sense. I keep thinking it'll be any day, but then I see posts about 500+ days and my optimism goes away. |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 8:32:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By swampvol:
Obviously it wasn't pending an FBI bgc. |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 8:51:41 PM EDT
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I think most of the wait is backlog or BS. Mr. Clutter turned my Vector in 3 days. I realized I filed incorrectly on a Friday .....form 1 on old e file. I contacted them thru E mail. The woman that responded had me refile. It came back from Mr. Clutter by Monday afternoon approved. I had two more done the same way due to them approving the first one with the trust name wrong. They kicked the next two back and I emailed what happened. Two days later I had my stamps...I miss e file
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Posted: 4/18/2018 8:56:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HDSledge]
[#7]
Sounds like there are some lazy or purposefully slow employees doing a portion of the bc's, while others do their job as efficiently as they can. In other words pray for one of the good guys to get your form.
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Posted: 5/7/2018 9:30:02 AM EDT
[#8]
Is anyone seeing any movement of the FBI check? Does anyone have contact info on where this goes once it’s waiting in FBI?
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Posted: 5/7/2018 11:31:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TinyCrumb]
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR15JoeL:
Is anyone seeing any movement of the FBI check? Does anyone have contact info on where this goes once it’s waiting in FBI? Just as frustrated as everyone else and this whole background check delay is obviously even more frustrating because of the lack of resources and information to do anything about it. I'll probably call once more next week and if it's still the same I'll just give up and stop caring about it for a couple months. |
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Posted: 5/7/2018 3:28:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: revottuneda4]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinyCrumb:
Not seeing any movement no. Just another data point for me. I have 6 different Form 4 individuals that were check cashed in early-mid October. Awhile back I started seeing people receiving their approved stamps back with CC dates after mine so started calling about 3.5 weeks ago. Every single one of them is in "Waiting on FBI background check" status. I've been calling once a week + the initial call and it hasn't moved. So I assume that all my forms would have been approved about a month ago had it not been for somehow getting stuck in this status. And given all the info in this thread, looks like I could be waiting it out for months longer. Just as frustrated as everyone else and this whole background check delay is obviously even more frustrating because of the lack of resources and information to do anything about it. I'll probably call once more next week and if it's still the same I'll just give up and stop caring about it for a couple months. |
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Posted: 5/7/2018 4:45:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR15JoeL:
Is anyone seeing any movement of the FBI check? Does anyone have contact info on where this goes once it’s waiting in FBI? |
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Posted: 5/7/2018 5:58:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SlasherMcGee:
I do love the people that come into these threads and say: "Filed a Form X, check cashed Y, Approved Z".. lol... Something happened to a group of April 2017 Form 4 Individual submissions.. I've read through what seems like 1,000 threads on nfatracker, reddit, ar15.com, etc.. on this "Pending FBI" crap and there the reoccurring theme is the April 2017 check cashed. I'm not saying there aren't pre-april 2017 and post-april 2017 people still waiting, but there's far more April 2017'ers complaining. I'm in the April 2017 boat and have been told "Pending FBI background check" for months now... I've had form 4's approved before and after April 2017. Check Cashed 6/29/17, Approved 2/18/18 (SilencerShop Trust, not single shot) Check Cashed 8/8/17, Approved 3/15/18 (Single Shot Trust) Check Cashed 8/29/17, Pending FBI Background Check (Single Shot Trust) Really doesn't seem to make any sense to me. Nothing has changed recently that I would think would trigger the FBI check. I'm not sure how long the last one has been pending FBI. I only called last Friday since it'd been a while after the 8/8/17 check cashed one that was already approved. |
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Posted: 5/7/2018 9:16:31 PM EDT
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I’ve been stuck in the FBI BGC black hole for about five months now.
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Posted: 5/8/2018 3:01:32 PM EDT
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I just spoke with my examiner “Jason” I was told this was “normal” but the FBI is working on December 2017 submissions.
I didn’t ask if those were just December forms that Jason requested a background check. Mine went pending June 2017 and sent to the FBI sometime in December 2017 for background check. I had a form 4 that went pending July 2017 and was approved February 2018. I don’t have a clue how this crap is worked or in what order?? |
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Posted: 5/8/2018 5:20:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR15JoeL:
I don’t have a clue how this crap is worked or in what order?? 
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2018 1:49:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: superdrag67]
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By swampvol:
I think I'm going to unsubscribe from the NFA Timeline thread. Pisses me off seeing guys who submitted in October getting their stamp already while I sit and continue to wait after just going through an FBI finger print background check a little more than a year ago for my CCP. [/img] Yet there are still a lot of people sitting at a year+. It really is frustrating and it's total bullshit. Like I said in the complaint thread I think I'm done with NFA for awhile. At least once my stamp finally decides to show up. |
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Posted: 5/9/2018 10:40:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tyler315:
I’ve been stuck in the FBI BGC black hole for about five months now. I think I', "winning" this thread. Check cashed 1/26/17, Form 4 Trust with 2 RPs. FBI black hole sometime around 9/2017. |
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Posted: 5/9/2018 10:52:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By superdrag67: I don't follow that thread real close but I keep seeing people on reddit post about getting stamps back and the majority of the stuff is from august-october 2017 as far as submissions go. Yet there are still a lot of people sitting at a year+. It really is frustrating and it's total bullshit. Like I said in the complaint thread I think I'm done with NFA for awhile. At least once my stamp finally decides to show up. Dudes with Nov. pendings getting approved now.... |
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Posted: 5/10/2018 4:20:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: JustinU235]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By swampvol: Your post made me take a peak into that thread. Dudes with Nov. pendings getting approved now....         
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WA, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2018 7:05:31 PM EDT
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Had a customer that was in the "waiting for bgc" hole, as told by the NFA status line with the following timeline:
check cashed 12/26/16 pending 3/23/17 possibly entered the wait for bgc hole in Nov'17 waiting for bgc reported by status line call, Feb'18 approved 4/27/18 This customer had another Form4 submitted at the same time, and that one came back last November, on "schedule" in the sense that was when Dec'16/Jan'17 forms were coming back. |
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Posted: 5/18/2018 4:43:59 PM EDT
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Just got off the phone with the ATF. Individual Form 4 approved. so thats about five months of pending FBI, and first pending was 7/31/17
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Posted: 5/25/2018 5:59:34 AM EDT
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Any idea what the turn around time on a correction is?
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OH, USA
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Posted: 5/25/2018 8:34:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TexFive-O:
Any idea what the turn around time on a correction is? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/25/2018 8:48:35 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By OxygenThief:
EVERYONE WHO HAS PENDING NFA TRANSFERS, CALL AND GET A STATUS. IF THEY SAY FBI BACKGROUND IS THE WAIT, YOU HAVE A PROBLEM!!! I work at a class 3 dealer and we just ran into a problem a few weeks back with the NFA and FBI delaying background checks on transfers. This one was mailed in. Our customer has had a Form 4 pending since Aug. 2016, the NFA says they are waiting on the FBI to do a background check. They refuse to tell us any details because we are not allowed to speak for the customer. Seems kind of a convenient way to tell him BS that wouldn't pass off on a shop. We'll after he when back and forth with the FBI, they finally told him it's the ATF's problem, handle it with them. A supervisor at the NFA (They seems to never give names, no responsibility taken), he was told they didn't even have a submission and he need to redo the whole process from the start. Well calling the standard NFA line, we confirmed this was also BS because they still had him pending as of Aug. 2016. We contacted our district US representative and got the information to "file a complaint". We'll the customer opted not to do this and just (re)submit. We'll we just had another customer call and get the same response. This one was submitted through Silencer Shop electronic submission. Oh boy, here we go again. 2 forms pending as of April 2017, FBI delay, blah blah blah. I can tell everyone trying to handle this with either of the two agencies will yield nothing but frustration and lost time. Contact your US rep from your district, we have an A+ NRA rated guy, so we are lucky in having him. But don't waste time trying to get those two pack of morons to figure it out. Does this also apply to my form 1 for my SBR? |
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Posted: 5/25/2018 9:07:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: nate002]
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Well crap. I've only been pending FBI bgc for 6 weeks now. Form 1 Trust SBR, ATF received on August 9, 2017. Guess I still have a long wait ahead of me, thought it was almost done
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Posted: 5/25/2018 7:19:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By elits1: I had two correction letters arrive. The first turn around was one week. I was a bit pissed on the second so I called the examiner / researcher for clarification and asked if I could scan and email the correction back. They had no problem with this delivery method and the form was finally approved the next day. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/27/2018 5:05:26 PM EDT
[#27]
Form 1 Individual
Cashed date:10/10/17 Pending FBI Background check for 3 weeks and counting |
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Posted: 5/31/2018 11:43:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HDSledge]
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Seems only a few fall into the bc hole. I submitted 2 form 4's November last year and they were both approved yesterday to go out to the dealer (could be 2 weeks before I get the stamps.). Looks like I dodged the proverbial bullet.
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Posted: 6/2/2018 2:41:58 PM EDT
[#29]
I'm part of this unfortunately. Waiting on a stamp that was sent individual Form 4 on 3/11/2017. Sucks
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Posted: 6/2/2018 11:19:49 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jr1092:
I'm part of this unfortunately. Waiting on a stamp that was sent individual Form 4 on 3/11/2017. Sucks |
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Posted: 6/3/2018 5:08:02 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HDSledge:
That is ridiculous and unacceptable. They must have lost it. Will they let you resubmit and put you on a fast track this time perhaps? Might be worth asking. |
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Posted: 6/4/2018 4:18:48 PM EDT
[#32]
My form 1 that was in the FBI que took 336 days. Approved on 5/30/18. Now just waiting on USPS.
There is hope out there men. |
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Posted: 6/4/2018 9:45:22 PM EDT
[#33]
So I've seen Form 4's coming back in under 8 months, some in right around 7. And others that have been pending since October, and are still sitting at FBI for checks. Is there any POC at the FBI to contact? Or is this just a wait until someone wants to do something kind of thing?
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Posted: 6/5/2018 1:24:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ShamusMcOI:
So I've seen Form 4's coming back in under 8 months, some in right around 7. And others that have been pending since October, and are still sitting at FBI for checks. Is there any POC at the FBI to contact? Or is this just a wait until someone wants to do something kind of thing? As far as I can tell it's definitely a "wait until someone wants to do something" situation. It seems like there's a huge backlog of people from around the April 2017 timeline that are still moving through and then there's a separate backlog of people starting in around September 2017 that's trickling in. There seems to be no rhyme or reason to it and no way to know for sure what's going on.
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Posted: 6/5/2018 1:44:56 PM EDT
[#35]
Trust Form 4 with two RPs. Check cashed 1/26/2017 I've been getting the "We're just waiting on the FBI BG check" since around 9/2017. ATF NFA Branch gave me the number to call FBI NICS Unit, but I keep getting, "Due to high processing, we can not complete your call at this time" on that line.
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Posted: 6/6/2018 12:21:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JustinU235]
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ncorry:
Trust Form 4 with two RPs. Check cashed 1/26/2017 I've been getting the "We're just waiting on the FBI BG check" since around 9/2017. ATF NFA Branch gave me the number to call FBI NICS Unit, but I keep getting, "Due to high processing, we can not complete your call at this time" on that line. I was able to actually get in touch with my examiner a few months ago and he said "nothing we can do, it's on FBI". I explained the situation to the NICS lady, told her that I had bought guns since being "delayed" for the NFA item, and was just looking to understand the blockage. She said "I can't tell you anything, but the NFA branch can". I explained that the NFA branch said that they don't know anything and that it's on the FBI NICS branch. She said "they always say that".
I'm literally being bounced between federal agencies, each saying "nothing we can do, it's the other guys". I just emailed this exchange to my examiner. How is this not an infringement? |
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Posted: 6/6/2018 12:31:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JustinHEMI04: After reading this, I went to google and found this number, 1-877-FBI-NICKS which is generally used by FFLs and other such people, but there are options for denied and DELAYED people to get through to a person with the right number of key strokes. I spoke to a lady that was just as useless as the people at the NFA branch. I was able to actually get in touch with my examiner a few months ago and he said "nothing we can do, it's on FBI". I explained the situation to the NICS lady, told her that I had bought guns since being "delayed" for the NFA item, and was just looking to understand the blockage. She said "I can't tell you anything, but the NFA branch can". I explained that the NFA branch said that they don't know anything and that it's on the FBI NICS branch. She said "they always say that".
I'm literally being bounced between federal agencies, each saying "nothing we can do, it's the other guys". I just emailed this exchange to my examiner. How is this not an infringement? The examiner specifically mentioned the rule about how the FBI has 3 days to work through a standard delay or a firearm can get released but that that rule doesn't apply to any NFA stuff between the ATF and FBI so it ends up being just "when they get to it" situation. I agree with you that it's an infringement and unacceptable, but I don't think there's a lot we can do at this point. I'm guessing we need to hope it either gets a lot better or a lot worse. If the examiner is right and it's getting better, like they're working through a pile and catching up, great. If it's getting way worse, that could be good too because it might reach a tipping point where it starts waving red flags in front of the right people and gets dealt with. But yes, frustrating as hell. I now have 8 items stuck in this (and just bought a pistol last week no problem and got instant approval) so there's definitely no logic behind what's going on. I have another batch of stuff to submit and I've not even been motivated to do it because of all this. The news about the ATF getting the budget approval to hire all the new people and get wait times down to their target of 90 days was really encouraging. Hopefully, whomever pushed that through and drove those initiatives will catch on to this soon and figure it the F out.
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Posted: 6/6/2018 12:43:43 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JustinHEMI04: After reading this, I went to google and found this number, 1-877-FBI-NICS which is generally used by FFLs and other such people, but there are options for denied and DELAYED people to get through to a person with the right number of key strokes. I spoke to a lady that was just as useless as the people at the NFA branch. This experience gives ma bit of insight into what was going through the mind of Aimal Kasi on 1/25/1993. |
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Posted: 6/6/2018 12:55:27 PM EDT
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Could there be anything that the BC delayed applicants have in common such as date of submission, location, political views, record of activism, non-felony criminal record, taxes owed, or other flags that could hold up the submissions? From what I have read here it seems there is no rhyme or reason. There could be some correlation. Or just misplaced forms? Would be nice to know how many have fallen into limbo.
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Posted: 6/6/2018 1:54:34 PM EDT
[#40]
My one out is that my NFA transferor just so happens to be a federal treasury agent. He said that if I get to a year, he'll use professional courtesy to pull some strings to find out what's going on. He doesn't like to use that unless it becomes extreme, which he counts as a year.
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WV, USA
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Posted: 6/6/2018 2:47:56 PM EDT
[#41]
What this really needs is some good old fashioned Congresional inquiry.
Could be find a pro 2A Congress critter to focus our complaints to? |
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Posted: 6/6/2018 3:39:57 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coltshorty14:
What this really needs is some good old fashioned Congresional inquiry. Could be find a pro 2A Congress critter to focus our complaints to? Someone will have to take the lead, id others, and create a list to give to the 2A rep. An organized group of aggrieved individuals can get some attention and maybe some action. |
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WV, USA
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Posted: 6/7/2018 5:16:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HDSledge: It depends on how many applicants are affected. FBI successfully processes a ton of bc's in a timely fashion so without a lot of complaints it will be hard to get any action from the swamp. Someone will have to take the lead, id others, and create a list to give to the 2A rep. An organized group of aggrieved individuals can get some attention and maybe some action. |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 8:24:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coltshorty14: I believe that in today's electronic world, transfer longer than 10 days is unacceptable. A right delayed is a right denied. So everyone that files anything with the atf I can somewhat understand it taking a little longer if they have no record of you, but if they already have your finger prints scanned and on record, it should take no more than a few minutes. |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 1:43:59 PM EDT
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So I lodged another complaint with my examiner yesterday, explaining what NICS said and how it's frustrating when one agency blames the other, and he replied today,
"You were actually just proceeded by them and on the report this week should be in the mail by tomorrow." Woo hoo! |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 2:55:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JustinHEMI04:
So I lodged another complaint with my examiner yesterday, explaining what NICS said and how it's frustrating when one agency blames the other, and he replied today, "You were actually just proceeded by them and on the report this week should be in the mail by tomorrow." Woo hoo! |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 3:25:22 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinyCrumb:
What was your check cashed date? |
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Posted: 6/7/2018 4:02:59 PM EDT
[#48]
This really really really makes me not want to submit a Form 1
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NC, USA
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Posted: 6/8/2018 9:17:52 AM EDT
[#49]
My first form 4 was mailed on Feb. 3rd 2017 and I'm still waiting. I asked my dealer and he said every time he calls he is being told it's awaiting FBI background check, I was also told the same thing when I called. I have two more form 4's pending, the most recent was mailed Nov. 29th 2017 and I've still not gotten either one of those back. I'll be calling the NFA branch for an update on those two very soon and will be praying those also don't have the same pending FBI bc check status BS. My form 1 was approved in about 10 months, and this is just ridiculous, been waiting 16 months now for my first can and I'm really starting to get pissed.
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Posted: 6/8/2018 6:14:34 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tonsoguns420:
My first form 4 was mailed on Feb. 3rd 2017 and I'm still waiting. I asked my dealer and he said every time he calls he is being told it's awaiting FBI background check, I was also told the same thing when I called. I have two more form 4's pending, the most recent was mailed Nov. 29th 2017 and I've still not gotten either one of those back. I'll be calling the NFA branch for an update on those two very soon and will be praying those also don't have the same pending FBI bc check status BS. My form 1 was approved in about 10 months, and this is just ridiculous, been waiting 16 months now for my first can and I'm really starting to get pissed. I thought 10 months was nuts for my last can. |
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