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Posted: 1/26/2018 10:29:13 PM EDT
I was at SHOT and got some info on the F90 / Arax:
-The F90 is being imported/assembled by DASAN, out of a mix of US, Australian, and South Korean components. Rifles at SHOT are marked "Duluth, Georgia" on the bolt. -Trigger was quite good - single stage, ~7lbs, with virtually no creep (this was a sample of 1 rifle though.) -The DASAN guy expected they would ship 2nd Quarter 2018, but this was not a "hard" date, just him sharing with a rando gun nerd at his booth. -The display rifles did not have the integral shell deflector molded into the stock as seen in the F90 military version. This was a dissapointment and I hope/pray that they bring this feature back. -DASAN is considering making the F90 "export" model that takes AR mags with the X95 style mag release, but this will likely be a few years from now. |
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Thanks for the intel. Glad I bought that $1700 STG77 instead of waiting, now I can start saving for it again.
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More info from TFB
Looks like the bolt carrier is the registered and serialized part. Hopefully barrel assemblies will be reasonably priced. Looks like the shell deflector isn't molded in anymore but it looks like one can be clipped on via the slots in the ejection port. |
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With the barrel being made in the US ,no export stock and parts being made in SK I’ve kind of lost interest in it.
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I'm looking forward to it. DASAN has been making firearms parts a long time, and they're working diligently to compete with S&T Motiv (formerly Daewoo), so they have plenty of incentive to produce nothing but the highest quality parts.
Do we know who's producing the US barrel? |
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With the barrel being made in the US ,no export stock and parts being made in SK I’ve kind of lost interest in it. View Quote Wouldn’t be surprised if they’re making their own barrels considering that they make barrels for many other companies. |
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More info from TFB Looks like the bolt carrier is the registered and serialized part. Hopefully barrel assemblies will be reasonably priced. View Quote |
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Quoted: Ugh. The bolt carrier is the serialized firearm? That’s a terrible idea. Also, if it accepts a standard AUG bolt group one could swap out the carrier and have a completely unserialized rifle. View Quote It works just fine - I doubt you'll see many, if any, AUG carriers that have worn out. Considering that they run in a plastic stock. |
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Quoted: Would you prefer it be the barrel? Because there's not much else on the rifle that could qualify. It works just fine - I doubt you'll see many, if any, AUG carriers that have worn out. Considering that they run in a plastic stock. View Quote |
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Sounds like someone doesn't know much about Dasan, let alone South Korea. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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I’ve owned a DR200 and several different SK mags can’t say any have really inspired a lot of confidence. No word on who is making the barrel.... like I said I don’t have much interest in it at this point. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
I’ve owned a DR200 and several different SK mags can’t say any have really inspired a lot of confidence. No word on who is making the barrel.... like I said I don’t have much interest in it at this point. Quoted: Would better to design an aluminum component that could qualify as a frame. Look at the FS2000. It has a tiny “receiver” into which the barrel installs. |
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That said, I'm looking forward to a Atrax/AUG bolt carrier ghost gun! |
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No integrated shell deflector is weak sauce. Why the change??....But looking at pics, it appears it may be a snap in part anyways?
Still holding out for a 20inch barreled version..preferably in the nasty tan color the Aussie's are using. |
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I will also have to unfortunately hold out for a 20 or 18” barreled version with the export/Nato stock in a tan/mud color.
The barrel change has basically become a barrel & chassis change that is no longer $500 or less. Even if they offer like a $800+ barreled option in the future dont think that will be attractive to me. It took me years to finally convince myself I seriously wanted my 16” AUG to grow to 20” But I have to admit that does look great in the green stock. |
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I want the shortest barrel length offered (14.5") and it won't be growing unless it gains a sound suppressor.
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Quoted:The barrel change has basically become a barrel & chassis change that is no longer $500 or less. View Quote Plus, they've eliminated everyone's complaint about having to replace the serialized portion of the gun to change barrels. And one can make a ghost gun with a simple bolt carrier swap Everything looks promising to me. |
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Saw these for $2000 preorder on Brownells. If that's what they are going to go for when they finally hit shelves, I'd pass and just get an AUG.
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Saw these for $2000 preorder on Brownells. If that's what they are going to go for when they finally hit shelves, I'd pass and just get an AUG. View Quote Most of the people who will buy this want it because it's a unique firearm, not because it fills a hole in the collection. I'm in for one for sure. Especially with the political winds blowing the way they are. |
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Quoted: what if I already have multiple AUGs? Most of the people who will buy this want it because it's a unique firearm, not because it fills a hole in the collection. I'm in for one for sure. Especially with the political winds blowing the way they are. View Quote |
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Yeah I preordered one last night after deciding that the Brownells preorder is probably more reliable than waiting on the one from Lithgow. Especially since DASAN seems to be taking the lead on marketing now.
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So is the brownells pic correct? Does the production version have the integrated shell deflector?
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Quoted: what if I already have multiple AUGs? Most of the people who will buy this want it because it's a unique firearm, not because it fills a hole in the collection. I'm in for one for sure. Especially with the political winds blowing the way they are. View Quote |
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I co7ldnt wait any longer so I bought a SCAR 16s. I’ve been crushing overtime so I should have the $$$$ for ATRAX by late May.
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Joined the Brownells pre-order......
I assume they don't charge your card? |
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Quoted: Just from all the pictures I have seen. I have yet to find a naked barrel photo without any of the receiver parts. I only see the center part of the chassis (pretty much the charging handle guide) if you call it that as polymer - and by all the pics I cannot tell if it is just two halves that clamshell the barrel assembly and bolt together. It could be that slides down the barrel and is only bolted to the rail at the top to secure it. You still have the pressed on trunnion on the rear & gas block assembly at the front. I dont see anything quick or cheap about changing a barrel in that assembly. I will still pick up one. But I will hopefully hold out for something like below with ideally a slightly longer barrel & matching stockset. http://soldiersystems.net/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/img_4018.jpg View Quote So the "QD" bbl claim is somewhat an exaggeration. QD upper is probably more accurate. |
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From everything I've read about it since it was announced, the bbl is actually pressed into the upper. http://www.lithgowarms.com/wp-content/themes/alizee-la/images/f90/systems-integration-469x380.png So the "QD" bbl claim is somewhat an exaggeration. QD upper is probably more accurate. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Just from all the pictures I have seen. I have yet to find a naked barrel photo without any of the receiver parts. I only see the center part of the chassis (pretty much the charging handle guide) if you call it that as polymer - and by all the pics I cannot tell if it is just two halves that clamshell the barrel assembly and bolt together. It could be that slides down the barrel and is only bolted to the rail at the top to secure it. You still have the pressed on trunnion on the rear & gas block assembly at the front. I dont see anything quick or cheap about changing a barrel in that assembly. I will still pick up one. But I will hopefully hold out for something like below with ideally a slightly longer barrel & matching stockset. http://soldiersystems.net/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/img_4018.jpg http://www.lithgowarms.com/wp-content/themes/alizee-la/images/f90/systems-integration-469x380.png So the "QD" bbl claim is somewhat an exaggeration. QD upper is probably more accurate. |
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This is my next rifle purchase. I like how you can put the barrel out for easy cleaning.
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I really don't think it's a big deal either way. It's super easy to gain access to the barrel with either of them.
They had to redesign it to save weight when they added all those rails. That was the correct decision. I like the rails. If you don't want the rails, and aren't going to mount a 40mm launcher, then it offers nothing over the standard AUGs. |
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Proudly powered by WordPress | Theme: Sydney by aThemes. The ATRAX is scheduled to hit dealer shelves Fall 2017. |
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Still no brown/green Aussie color scheme, no 18”/20” options, actual Australian content unknown? Not knocking Dasan, I know who they are, but I wanted a Lithgow/Thales rifle within the limits of 922r.
No care anymore. Not sure why they want to compete directly with Steyr with a black 16” AUG-mag rifle. |
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Still no brown/green Aussie color scheme, no 18”/20” options, actual Australian content unknown? Not knocking Dasan, I know who they are, but I wanted a Lithgow/Thales rifle within the limits of 922r. No care anymore. Not sure why they want to compete directly with Steyr with a black 16” AUG-mag rifle. View Quote I'm still holding out for a 20in Atrax. But the Australians use 16in versions for their cavalry/similar units. But I also imagine 16in AUGs are by far the most popular barrel length/ |
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Update-
I spoke to the Dasan Rep yesterday at the NRA show. They are targeting June 2018 for a release date of the Atrax.He said the ATF hasn’t fully approved the bolt carrier as the “registered part” of the gun and this is what has held up the release of the Atrax. Per the Rep it will only have 10 Australian made parts on it. I was hoping for more but that’s not that big a deal They had a tan stocked example on hand, the trigger was nice but not life changing also It had no shell deflector installed on it. I will definitely pick one up once they become available. |
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