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Posted: 1/18/2015 4:22:53 PM EDT
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Is that a new mag? A new 30rd .45acp mag is very interesting. Edit - Ok, I am slow but I figured it out. UMP mags |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 4:38:41 PM EDT
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.40 cal would betterer than .45 or 9mm..... you know why i know this... because I have a shitload of .40 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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9mm would only be 64-69% as good. Less does not equal more better. .40 cal would betterer than .45 or 9mm..... you know why i know this... because I have a shitload of .40 .40 does represent again of 14-22% over 9mm; but still only 78% as good as 45. Again, less does not equal more. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 5:02:13 PM EDT
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It looks nice but I sold my UMP clone and I'm not buying anymore $80-$100 mags.
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Posted: 1/18/2015 6:18:42 PM EDT
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Well, I've got the mags for it.
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Posted: 1/18/2015 6:28:23 PM EDT
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It looks nice but I sold my UMP clone and I'm not buying anymore $80-$100 mags. If that thing runs, I'm willing to buy $100 mags for it. It must come out soon, before 41P. I will add this to my prayer list in the following order: 1. Biopsy results = negative 2. LWRC 45 SBR available in February 3. World peace |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 7:10:08 PM EDT
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I will be purchasing this item.
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Posted: 1/18/2015 7:36:12 PM EDT
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There are american made UMP mags available now for $50 each. They are every bit as good as the German ones. I have a few of each for my ump and can't tell the difference other than the markings
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Posted: 1/18/2015 8:17:33 PM EDT
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Wow that thing is sexy! Daddy want
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Posted: 1/18/2015 9:56:38 PM EDT
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Anyone else see what looks to be a gas block under the rail near the muzzle? Gas operated?  I sure hope so. Meah, What is so great about gas operation? More parts to go wrong and get dirty that are not needed. Blow back has proven to be the simplest most reliable and ''inexpensive'' way to go for Pistol rounds and that is why the most proven designers like HK and CZ both went with it. I bet you will see more CZ and HK being fielded by police and military than this and the MPX. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:15:16 PM EDT
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Meah, What is so great about gas operation? More parts to go wrong and get dirty that are not needed. Blow back has proven to be the simplest most reliable and ''inexpensive'' way to go for Pistol rounds and that is why the most proven designers like HK and CZ both went with it. I bet you will see more CZ and HK being fielded by police and military than this and the MPX. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone else see what looks to be a gas block under the rail near the muzzle? Gas operated? I sure hope so. Meah, What is so great about gas operation? More parts to go wrong and get dirty that are not needed. Blow back has proven to be the simplest most reliable and ''inexpensive'' way to go for Pistol rounds and that is why the most proven designers like HK and CZ both went with it. I bet you will see more CZ and HK being fielded by police and military than this and the MPX. Quieter and less gassing to the shooter when suppressed. Blow back is probably the better choice for general use SMGs because it is as you say simpler in execution and maintenance. As well as cheaper to produce and procure. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:18:35 PM EDT
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Meah, What is so great about gas operation? More parts to go wrong and get dirty that are not needed. Blow back has proven to be the simplest most reliable and ''inexpensive'' way to go for Pistol rounds and that is why the most proven designers like HK and CZ both went with it. I bet you will see more CZ and HK being fielded by police and military than this and the MPX. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone else see what looks to be a gas block under the rail near the muzzle? Gas operated? I sure hope so. Meah, What is so great about gas operation? More parts to go wrong and get dirty that are not needed. Blow back has proven to be the simplest most reliable and ''inexpensive'' way to go for Pistol rounds and that is why the most proven designers like HK and CZ both went with it. I bet you will see more CZ and HK being fielded by police and military than this and the MPX. You can reduce weight of the gun, reduce the recoil impulse, increase the friendless with suppressors, and use more powerful ammunition without destroying the gun. Ex: German police use a solid brass hollowpoint called ACTION4. It has a chamber pressure approaching 5.56 and is destructive to blowback guns. The locked breech allows them to shoot this ammo without lifespan issues. Use blowback all you want, but gas operated guns are a technological improvement over blowback guns. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:22:37 PM EDT
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Quieter and less gassing to the shooter when suppressed. Blow back is probably the better choice for general use SMGs because it is as you say simpler in execution and maintenance. As well as cheaper to produce and procure. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone else see what looks to be a gas block under the rail near the muzzle? Gas operated? I sure hope so. Meah, What is so great about gas operation? More parts to go wrong and get dirty that are not needed. Blow back has proven to be the simplest most reliable and ''inexpensive'' way to go for Pistol rounds and that is why the most proven designers like HK and CZ both went with it. I bet you will see more CZ and HK being fielded by police and military than this and the MPX. Quieter and less gassing to the shooter when suppressed. Blow back is probably the better choice for general use SMGs because it is as you say simpler in execution and maintenance. As well as cheaper to produce and procure. The no such thing as a general issue SMG anymore for first world organizations. Carbines are general issue, and SMGs are a niche weapon. You guys are acting like a gas operated subgun is a complicated weapon like a G11. It's almost the exact same thing as a piston AR, hardly compared or overly comped. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 11:59:00 PM EDT
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There are american made UMP mags available now for $50 each. They are every bit as good as the German ones. I have a few of each for my ump and can't tell the difference other than the markings Do they make American 9mm UMP magazines? |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 12:04:56 AM EDT
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Barrel set screws?
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Posted: 1/19/2015 12:09:46 AM EDT
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The no such thing as a general issue SMG anymore for first world organizations. Carbines are general issue, and SMGs are a niche weapon. You guys are acting like a gas operated subgun is a complicated weapon like a G11. It's almost the exact same thing as a piston AR, hardly compared or overly comped. That SMGs are no longer in general use is exactly why it would be disappointing for the LWRC product discussed herein to be a blow back gun. Bottom line it is a locked gas operated system has benfits(lighter, quieter, less recoil) at the cost of added mechanical complex. G11 it is not, but neither is it as simple as open bolt blow back. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 12:15:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryI bet those just hold in the lower part of the monolithic hand guard. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:52:36 AM EDT
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Tommy likey!
May have to sell my USC... |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 1:29:51 PM EDT
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I bet those just hold in the lower part of the monolithic hand guard. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I bet those just hold in the lower part of the monolithic hand guard. Yeah, I bet your right, but why would one need to remove the lower hand guard if the barrel was removable? |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 1:54:31 PM EDT
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My check book is standing by!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 1/19/2015 8:26:03 PM EDT
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Do they make American 9mm UMP magazines? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There are american made UMP mags available now for $50 each. They are every bit as good as the German ones. I have a few of each for my ump and can't tell the difference other than the markings Do they make American 9mm UMP magazines? Currently only the 45 mags but I would think the 9mm and 40 would follow soon |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 12:02:13 AM EDT
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With the sole exception of a G20, I am all in on 9mm handguns. For me the .45 ACP carbine(SBR) is the best way to launch heavy projectiles at subsonic speed through a suppressor. True, the ACP costs more than 9mm; but it is much less expensive to shoot than BLK. The standard cheap ACP loads are heavy subsonic. The ACP is easier and less expensive to load for than the BLK. The ACP has fantastic bullets which are designed to do awesome things at 800fps. Call it a range toy if you wish, to me a locked breach .45 ACP SBR is the ultimate subsonic suppressed long gun. (Hoping the LWRC thing is not just another pretty blow back PCC) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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IMO New Pistol Caliber Carbines in .45 don't make much sense. If your .gov and actually expecting to use it in anger you are far better off with a rifle caliber SBR. For the rest of us .45 out of 30rd mags just seems to equal more $$$$$. 9mm seems to be far more suited to what this will likely be used for -- a range toy. Even if you are going "down range" there are more duty rounds in 9mm available at home and abroad. I say this as somebody who enjoys and almost exclusively shoots .45 out of handguns. With the sole exception of a G20, I am all in on 9mm handguns. For me the .45 ACP carbine(SBR) is the best way to launch heavy projectiles at subsonic speed through a suppressor. True, the ACP costs more than 9mm; but it is much less expensive to shoot than BLK. The standard cheap ACP loads are heavy subsonic. The ACP is easier and less expensive to load for than the BLK. The ACP has fantastic bullets which are designed to do awesome things at 800fps. Call it a range toy if you wish, to me a locked breach .45 ACP SBR is the ultimate subsonic suppressed long gun. (Hoping the LWRC thing is not just another pretty blow back PCC) Semi valid point. Subsonic 9mm 147 is not any more expensive then .45 Cheaper when you factor in the weapon and mag. And it gets really cheap when you factor in supersonic ammo unsuppressed, like at a public range. |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 10:28:28 AM EDT
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I'd love to see this in 40, that would be my dream. I have no use for 45. Around my parts,
147gr 9mm is $15 a box 180gr 40 is $17-18 230gr 45 is $22-25 |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 2:25:17 PM EDT
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Any price estimates?? Knowing LWRC i am thinking they may outdo Sig Just heard $2499 MSRP. |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 2:27:49 PM EDT
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Any price estimates?? Knowing LWRC i am thinking they may outdo Sig Just heard $2499 MSRP. Balls |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 4:25:19 PM EDT
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Any price estimates?? Knowing LWRC i am thinking they may outdo Sig Just heard $2499 MSRP.
Sauce? |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 4:25:42 PM EDT
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I'd love to see this in 40, that would be my dream. I have no use for 45. Around my parts, 147gr 9mm is $15 a box 180gr 40 is $17-18 230gr 45 is $22-25 Can you not buy online where you live? I would never spend that much on .45 ACP. I haven't paid over 35 per round in a long time and never over 40 per round. |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 4:31:58 PM EDT
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Any price estimates?? Knowing LWRC i am thinking they may outdo Sig Just heard $2499 MSRP. As nice looking as it is and no matter how much I want one, $2,500 is more than I'd pay for it. 
Back to the Sig MPX or CZ Scorpion. Not apples to apples, but for what I want it for, either will do. |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 4:34:48 PM EDT
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As nice looking as it is and no matter how much I want one, $2,500 is more than I'd pay for it.
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Any price estimates?? Knowing LWRC i am thinking they may outdo Sig Just heard $2499 MSRP. As nice looking as it is and no matter how much I want one, $2,500 is more than I'd pay for it.
Back to the Sig MPX or CZ Scorpion. Not apples to apples, but for what I want it for, either will do. Same. |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 5:05:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/20/2015 5:13:54 PM EDT
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Any price estimates?? Knowing LWRC i am thinking they may outdo Sig Just heard $2499 MSRP. The price of guns just keep getting higher and higher, why would anyone shell out that kind of money in todays economy? |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 6:11:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The price of guns just keep getting higher and higher, why would anyone shell out that kind of money in todays economy? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Any price estimates?? Knowing LWRC i am thinking they may outdo Sig Just heard $2499 MSRP. The price of guns just keep getting higher and higher, why would anyone shell out that kind of money in todays economy? |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 6:23:15 PM EDT
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Can't wait to get it below dealer cost during inventory dumps when they can't move them.
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Posted: 1/20/2015 11:21:02 PM EDT
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LWRC doesn't do much volume because of their retarded pricing. These might not break 2k.
Looks great though. A 10mm version that takes HK mags... that I would probably buy. |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 11:57:17 PM EDT
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Any price estimates?? Knowing LWRC i am thinking they may outdo Sig Just heard $2499 MSRP. Wow, that sucks. If I was spending that much I would get a Scar 17s |
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Posted: 1/21/2015 2:47:17 AM EDT
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Anyone stop by their booth at Shot Show?
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Posted: 1/21/2015 11:21:50 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/21/2015 11:45:43 AM EDT
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It's cool, but it'll be a tough pill for me to swallow at the price of three Skorpians. |
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Posted: 1/21/2015 2:23:34 PM EDT
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This would be a great addition 9mm carbine. To me it looks like the first decent looking .45acp carbine. I'll get one when they release them. Or I might wait to see if they have any teething issues. We will see.
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Posted: 1/21/2015 6:06:50 PM EDT
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How is I cocked? Side charging handle?
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Posted: 1/21/2015 6:48:51 PM EDT
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This person saw up close with some vid....
For release sometime in 2016? [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KatGD1copus[/youtube] |
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Posted: 1/21/2015 7:38:41 PM EDT
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This person saw up close with some vid.... For release sometime in 2016? 
From the comments re: the price, "I think I overheard ($)2800.00 but not sure.?" |
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Posted: 1/21/2015 8:53:01 PM EDT
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If someone has a chance pop it open and take a picture of the fire control parts. Curious about the design and scale compared to m16
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Posted: 1/22/2015 1:13:59 AM EDT
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It's beautiful however, in 10mm it would be unbelievably awesome. |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 2:11:10 AM EDT
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Do want!
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Posted: 1/22/2015 9:14:28 AM EDT
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According to this article it's delayed blowback with a projected 2016 release, but will be available in 9mm/.40/.45....
http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/lwrcs-new-45-acp-sub-gun-shot-show-2015/ |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 9:23:05 AM EDT
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According to this article it's delayed blowback with a projected 2016 release, but will be available in 9mm/.40/.45.... http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/lwrcs-new-45-acp-sub-gun-shot-show-2015/ Ya beat me to it. Aw balls, now I want one even more. The 2016 date actually makes me feel better as I can get the CZ now and save for the LWRC. If I can get it in either 40 or 45, I can rationalize the purchase as I wont have a PCC/SBR in either 40 or 45. 
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Posted: 1/22/2015 11:42:32 AM EDT
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Delayed blowback actually makes this thing pretty interesting, if it's true. Not a lot of PCC options on the market that aren't direct blowback... basically limited to the MP5, MPX, and this.
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Posted: 1/22/2015 12:51:58 PM EDT
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Delayed blowback actually makes this thing pretty interesting, if it's true. Not a lot of PCC options on the market that aren't direct blowback... basically limited to the MP5, MPX, and this. yea I'm gonna get one if we can still sbr items by then. Hopefully one lower will be able to be changed between all 3 calibers |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 4:17:07 PM EDT
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TTAG's article on the "SMG-45".
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/01/foghorn/lwrc-shows-off-smg-45/ Basically some posted the picture to their instagram and shouldn't have, so they debuted it early. No ETA on release. 
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Posted: 1/22/2015 4:32:07 PM EDT
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According to this article it's delayed blowback with a projected 2016 release, but will be available in 9mm/.40/.45.... http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/lwrcs-new-45-acp-sub-gun-shot-show-2015/ Damn One of the very few things that looked good at this SHOT.
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