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Posted: 2/19/2021 2:48:20 AM EDT
Well, the last MP7 thread got archived. Understandable, since it's not like we have any available to us. That being said, I'm starting another HK MP7 thread simply because they're cool and I dream of being able to one day buy one, just for fun.
I know we have a few people here who have played with them overseas, always interested to hear from anyone who has. And since every thread is worthless without pics:  Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 2/19/2021 3:24:17 AM EDT
[#1]
Probably the only magazine fed rifle other than an AR that interests me and yes I’ve fired one.
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Posted: 2/19/2021 6:22:33 AM EDT
[#2]
I shot about 20 rounds through one.
It had more recoil than I was expecting given all the talk about how light the recoil is. I'd buy one, but only in 4.6. As a practical weapon, semi-auto subguns are pretty stupid. Only reason to have it is because I like unique and iconic guns, and I don't count an off-caliber pistol wearing the skin of an MP7 as an MP7. |
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Posted: 2/19/2021 10:20:27 AM EDT
[#3]
 
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Posted: 2/19/2021 6:41:30 PM EDT
[#4]
Never really saw the appeal.
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Posted: 2/19/2021 6:46:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Never really saw the appeal. |
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Posted: 2/19/2021 7:28:18 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Never really saw the appeal. Call of duty, bro 
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Posted: 2/19/2021 10:57:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Never really saw the appeal. |
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Posted: 2/19/2021 11:41:11 PM EDT
[#8]
HK will refuse to sell it to you while simultaneously making fun of you for buying a "clone."
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Posted: 2/20/2021 1:36:11 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Never really saw the appeal. Only people that talk about this gun are people who have never held one, and definitely never shot one, and super double definitely never had to pay for ammo to shoot one in auto. People think it’s a small little ultra compact gun.... with stock extended and big mag it’s basically larger than a P90.... The MP7 is lame and people on jerk off over it because they can’t have it. Doesn’t need a new thread. |
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Posted: 2/20/2021 1:38:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only people that talk about this gun are people who have never held one, and definitely never shot one, and super double definitely never had to pay for ammo to shoot one in auto. People think it’s a small little ultra compact gun.... with stock extended and big mag it’s basically larger than a P90.... The MP7 is lame and people on jerk off over it because they can’t have it. Doesn’t need a new thread. I’ve shot an MP7 and I quite enjoyed it. |
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Posted: 2/20/2021 2:18:33 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/20/2021 2:32:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People think it's a small little ultra compact gun.... with stock extended and big mag it's basically larger than a P90.... They don't make holsters for the FN P90. 
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Posted: 2/20/2021 3:15:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The MP7 is lame and people on jerk off over it because they can’t have it. Doesn’t need a new thread. Ya, how dare I want to discuss a unique HK firearm in the HK subforum 
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Posted: 2/20/2021 3:25:07 AM EDT
[#14]
I want one in .357 SIG....
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Posted: 2/20/2021 3:31:31 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I want one in .357 SIG.... 327 Federal Auto Rim. 
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Posted: 2/20/2021 6:00:02 AM EDT
[#16]
Personally, I'm interested in it because I love subguns and the whole PDW concept. While the SMG has limited utility in a military capacity, I think they really have a lot to offer the civilian market, both for self Defense and competition/plinking.
People talk so much about an ideal "truck gun" or something portable for civil disturbance type scenarios where you want more than a pistol. Obviously the MP7 and P90 were purpose built for this kind of role. And ya, the MP7 looks cool, is pretty iconic, and we all want what we can't have. If HK or a company like Tommy Built ever brings a semi auto to market, I'll buy it without hesitation just for the fun and cool factor. Not everything in life has to be grim and serious, occasionally we can just buy a neat gun because we like it. Pics  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 2/20/2021 8:50:32 AM EDT
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It’s the modern UZI in an odd caliber, with better ergonomics. Round is interesting and in its intended role, it’s a decent gun. The Norwegian’s I talk with like it. I was struck by how thin it is.
If it was readily available in the states, I expect it would be a hit with the LE market that didn’t want M4 platforms. The current NFA hassle and ammo generally kill its adoption by most agencies. Just my opinion, yours may certainly vary. 18Z50 |
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Posted: 2/20/2021 1:05:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s the modern UZI in an odd caliber, with better ergonomics. Round is interesting and in its intended role, it’s a decent gun. The Norwegian’s I talk with like it. I was struck by how thin it is. If it was readily available in the states, I expect it would be a hit with the LE market that didn’t want M4 platforms. The current NFA hassle and ammo generally kill its adoption by most agencies. Just my opinion, yours may certainly vary. 18Z50 Every US agency that has adopted the MP7 ends up dropping them and moving to short M4 patten guns once they're used in OIS. Its not the lack of guns or ammo, it's the performance. If it performed, then it would gaining adoption and ammo would be more readily available |
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Posted: 2/20/2021 1:43:58 PM EDT
[#19]
For about $10K, a MAC 11/9 with a Lage upper can maybe scratch the itch a little bit
 Yes I know, entirely different operating system. |
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Posted: 2/20/2021 1:47:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For about $10K, a MAC 11/9 with a Lage upper can maybe scratch the itch a little bit https://www.max-11.com/photos/MAX11k/MAX11kRtSide.JPG Ya, I've definitely considered this route. I think I'd still want an MP7 if it were offered, but damn that MAC with the Lage looks fun. |
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Posted: 2/20/2021 2:01:40 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ya, I've definitely considered this route. I think I'd still want an MP7 if it were offered, but damn that MAC with the Lage looks fun. It is a lot of fun. With the spacers Lage offers, you can tune the cyclical rate to your own preference. Very smooth shooting and you can configure buttstock, foregrip, sights/optics and muzzle devices to your heart’s content. Quality mags run about $35 if you wait for deals. Mine runs everything from Blazer Brass to 147gr. Federal HST with 100% reliability (there was a ~300 break-in period for me). |
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Posted: 2/20/2021 2:02:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was struck by how thin it is. 18Z50 Same here - I diddled one at Shot a few years ago and it was, to me, oddly thin - just smidge over 2" IIRC. |
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Posted: 2/20/2021 5:28:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For about $10K, a MAC 11/9 with a Lage upper can maybe scratch the itch a little bit Someone mentioned the MP7 and P90 as "truck guns." I have a PS90 SBR and to be honest I can't imagine a gun I'd want less as a truck gun. Maybe some of my .22lrs? These things are really solutions looking for a problem, particularly post-GWOT with short barreled carbines coming into their prime. They made sense when they were being developed in the 80's and early 90's, rifle rounds were shot out of 20" barrels. Times have changed.  |
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Posted: 2/20/2021 7:59:18 PM EDT
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The MP7 is a video game “hero gun”, which quickly loses its appeal when subjected to real-world evaluation, where it gets unfavorably compared to other real guns.
The two main reasons for its appeal are video games, and it’s “different”, because there aren’t any semi-auto versions available to civilians. The many reasons why it loses its appeal to people who can get/shoot one are already detailed above. |
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Posted: 2/20/2021 8:06:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/21/2021 12:26:29 AM EDT
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Cool gun, shot one at Battlefield Vegas, but way down the desirability list for me.
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Posted: 2/21/2021 12:40:36 PM EDT
[#27]
ill take one. pictanny rail on bottom, not that folding vert grip please. thanks HK!
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Posted: 2/21/2021 5:47:34 PM EDT
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Does some of the appeal of the MP7 come from the unobtainium, yes. However, for what the gun was designed for it is probably one of the best guns in that role. Since we're HK MP7 Armorers I have a lot of time, training, and experience with these. Quite frankly a lot of information about these guns, prices, availability are wrong.
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Posted: 2/21/2021 5:59:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm happy to answer questions as well. Have you seen any MP7A2 in a CCW role? (I'm assuming the MP7A1 would be better for this application.) Please tell me about cleaning the gas system... How often, and how big a deal is it? (I understand HK does not recommend that end-users perform this maintenance.) What part(s) failures have you seen (or heard of)? I was told the latch/stock on the MP7A1 will occasionally wear to the point it may collapse (to the next setting) unexpectedly. Were any revisions made to the A2 regarding improving any components (of anything)? |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 6:06:18 PM EDT
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Do your customers have strong feelings about terminal effect?
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Posted: 2/21/2021 10:40:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Assuming one could easily buy either, is it better to get the MP7A1 (folding grip) or MP7A2 with rails (and run a stubby VFG)? I understand the latter to offer more stability/rigidity. Have you seen any MP7A2 in a CCW role? (I'm assuming the MP7A1 would be better for this application.) Please tell me about cleaning the gas system... How often, and how big a deal is it? (I understand HK does not recommend that end-users perform this maintenance.) What part(s) failures have you seen (or heard of)? I was told the latch/stock on the MP7A1 will occasionally wear to the point it may collapse (to the next setting) unexpectedly. Were any revisions made to the A2 regarding improving any components (of anything)? 1.) The A1 and A2 difference is essentially the folding VFG. The folding VFG is a part that has failed and broken on service guns. Wilcox made a replacement rail for the A1, but it requires permanent removal of the nub that the grip would attach to the body. The A2 just removes that point of failure all together. 2.) I haven't seen anyone do it, but both the A1 and A2 can be thigh carried. You just need the plates for the receiver, and you can click into the HK holster. 3.) It's not as big of a deal as other people have made it out to be. It more work than a field strip, but it's not a big deal. I serviced an MP7A1 with close to 12K rounds on it (that's when it started having feeding issues), and once cleaned was back up and running no problem. Piston cleaning kind of depends on the use, like suppressed or not. I'd say around 500-1000 rounds is healthy schedule to clean, but I've shot several of ours beyond that cleaning schedule no problems. I was never advised that the end user can't do this, but the MP7 does have a lot of speciality tools that most end users will not have. 4.) I haven't seen the stock latch issue, however I know someone who broke one because someone was messing with it and didn't know what they were doing. The main items are wear items like gas rings on piston. HK told me they've seen some bolts and pistons exceed 40K rounds without issues. 5.) The A2 is essentially just no VFG and I believe ships with the oversized charging handle (which you can put on an A1). |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 10:46:06 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do your customers have strong feelings about terminal effect? Just depends on what they are putting emphasis on I suppose. The intended purpose was a PDW to defeat Soviet body armor. I'm not a ballistics guru by any means, but as the MP7 saw military use we had a handful of companies produce better 4.6 ammo than what was originally used. 
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Posted: 2/22/2021 4:56:38 AM EDT
[#33]
@PresampleDepot
What would you compare the recoil impulse to? Also, how controllable do you find it to be on full auto? How decent or not is the trigger in semi auto? Have you shot one for groups? Do you find it suppresses well? Is it gassy suppressed? |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 10:57:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @PresampleDepot What would you compare the recoil impulse to? Also, how controllable do you find it to be on full auto? How decent or not is the trigger in semi auto? Have you shot one for groups? Do you find it suppresses well? Is it gassy suppressed? 1.) It's hard to say. It's way softer than a P90, and has a different recoil than pretty much all the sub-guns on the market. It virtually has no recoil, and is very controllable on target on close CQB ranges. Seems to be one of the main reasons a lot of dog handlers used it, it's light and controllable with some of the best ergonomics. 2.) The trigger is probably on par with a VP9, maybe not as good but it's essentially the same type style. 3.) I haven't scientifically put it in a bench vise or even really laid prone to shoot groups, however I've shot prone at a 200 yard steel plate with just an IR laser as my aiming device and gone 5/5 in front of Jamey Caldwell and Pat from 1MO and Emerging Tactical. 4.) It suppresses very well. The only issues with the suppressors would be the muzzle mounts outside of the factory ones block access to parts for servicing. The B&T that is recommended with it do not have that issue. 5.) It's not really gassy to the shooter. What you may notice is that sometimes the charging handle bounces out of its stowed position and can boop you on the nose. I personally have never been in a course of fire and noticed it actually hit my nose, despite actually seeing it on camera later on. |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 6:24:10 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Only people that talk about this gun are people who have never held one, and definitely never shot one, and super double definitely never had to pay for ammo to shoot one in auto. People think it’s a small little ultra compact gun.... with stock extended and big mag it’s basically larger than a P90.... The MP7 is lame and people on jerk off over it because they can’t have it. Doesn’t need a new thread. Talking about yourself? Interesting take. Wrong, but interesting. I've plenty of trigger time on MP7's and had I the option, i'd have one for the exact reason they were made in the first place. Correct ammunition choice has everything to do with how effective the system is in a given situation. |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 6:36:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @PresampleDepot What would you compare the recoil impulse to? Also, how controllable do you find it to be on full auto? How decent or not is the trigger in semi auto? Have you shot one for groups? Do you find it suppresses well? Is it gassy suppressed? FA is very controllable and the gun does not need to be muscle-fucked to keep the muzzle down.  Failed To Load Title This vid was initial fam-fire of a long day burning ammo on the German taxpayer dime training with a psyops unit. Meaning that as i was familiarizing myself with all of the different functions and features of the gun, adapting to the recoil impulse was easy. |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 6:41:47 AM EDT
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Fits under coat, 900rpm, 2500fps, 20-30-40 round mags, will penetrate CRISAT body armour at plus 200m - its a smart weapon - whats not to like
 HK416C :)
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Posted: 2/26/2021 12:00:33 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 327 Federal Auto Rim. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I want one in .357 SIG.... 327 Federal Auto Rim. Wouldn't that basically be 32 Longue? |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 12:06:32 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s the modern UZI in an odd caliber, with better ergonomics. Round is interesting and in its intended role, it’s a decent gun. The Norwegian’s I talk with like it. I was struck by how thin it is. If it was readily available in the states, I expect it would be a hit with the LE market that didn’t want M4 platforms. The current NFA hassle and ammo generally kill its adoption by most agencies. Just my opinion, yours may certainly vary. 18Z50 The TP9 is a better modern Uzi and not just because it's also in 9mm. It's lighter and smaller. The MP7 is as big as a full size Uzi, and that was half the full size Uzi's problem, not just its weight. The things are surprisingly dense, too. But a true triumph in industrial design; IWI wishes they could make a space gun look so cool. I think an enterprising person could make a quasi de-bullpup kit for an FN P90 that uses a new trigger group, and result in something like a MAC silhouette. |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 12:08:56 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Does some of the appeal of the MP7 come from the unobtainium, yes. However, for what the gun was designed for it is probably one of the best guns in that role. Since we're HK MP7 Armorers I have a lot of time, training, and experience with these. Quite frankly a lot of information about these guns, prices, availability are wrong. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50967372451_9543354515_b.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49485836061_2ba737865b_b.jpg I'm happy to answer questions as well. What about service life? I've heard it's rather low (4-6k before overhaul), but maybe that's HK pulling the 3mo oil change thing. |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 12:12:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1.) It's hard to say. It's way softer than a P90, and has a different recoil than pretty much all the sub-guns on the market. It virtually has no recoil, and is very controllable on target on close CQB ranges. Seems to be one of the main reasons a lot of dog handlers used it, it's light and controllable with some of the best ergonomics. 2.) The trigger is probably on par with a VP9, maybe not as good but it's essentially the same type style. 3.) I haven't scientifically put it in a bench vise or even really laid prone to shoot groups, however I've shot prone at a 200 yard steel plate with just an IR laser as my aiming device and gone 5/5 in front of Jamey Caldwell and Pat from 1MO and Emerging Tactical. 4.) It suppresses very well. The only issues with the suppressors would be the muzzle mounts outside of the factory ones block access to parts for servicing. The B&T that is recommended with it do not have that issue. 5.) It's not really gassy to the shooter. What you may notice is that sometimes the charging handle bounces out of its stowed position and can boop you on the nose. I personally have never been in a course of fire and noticed it actually hit my nose, despite actually seeing it on camera later on. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @PresampleDepot What would you compare the recoil impulse to? Also, how controllable do you find it to be on full auto? How decent or not is the trigger in semi auto? Have you shot one for groups? Do you find it suppresses well? Is it gassy suppressed? 1.) It's hard to say. It's way softer than a P90, and has a different recoil than pretty much all the sub-guns on the market. It virtually has no recoil, and is very controllable on target on close CQB ranges. Seems to be one of the main reasons a lot of dog handlers used it, it's light and controllable with some of the best ergonomics. 2.) The trigger is probably on par with a VP9, maybe not as good but it's essentially the same type style. 3.) I haven't scientifically put it in a bench vise or even really laid prone to shoot groups, however I've shot prone at a 200 yard steel plate with just an IR laser as my aiming device and gone 5/5 in front of Jamey Caldwell and Pat from 1MO and Emerging Tactical. 4.) It suppresses very well. The only issues with the suppressors would be the muzzle mounts outside of the factory ones block access to parts for servicing. The B&T that is recommended with it do not have that issue. 5.) It's not really gassy to the shooter. What you may notice is that sometimes the charging handle bounces out of its stowed position and can boop you on the nose. I personally have never been in a course of fire and noticed it actually hit my nose, despite actually seeing it on camera later on. #5 can apply to the T/MP9 as well
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Posted: 2/26/2021 12:58:23 PM EDT
[#42]
4.6mm x 15 is 69mm.
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Posted: 2/26/2021 4:20:23 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What about service life? I've heard it's rather low (4-6k before overhaul), but maybe that's HK pulling the 3mo oil change thing. It depends on what you mean service. Piston rings, yeah probably. I haven't had any extractor issues, and we have over 5K on a couple of the guns, and serviced guns with higher rounds than that. As long as it gauges in spec, I wasn't given hard replacement schedules by HK on parts. |
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Posted: 2/28/2021 11:50:30 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Only people that talk about this gun are people who have never held one, and definitely never shot one, and super double definitely never had to pay for ammo to shoot one in auto. People think it’s a small little ultra compact gun.... with stock extended and big mag it’s basically larger than a P90.... The MP7 is lame and people on jerk off over it because they can’t have it. Doesn’t need a new thread. I'm going to go out on a limb that you've never held, let alone shot, one. I had the opportunity to put some rounds through one, tons of fun. Definitely a more specialized tool, but fills a very real and tangible role. S&B was pretty cheap for it, for range ammo. Definitely a grail gun of mine, so much so I'd probably fork out dumb money for it. |
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Posted: 2/28/2021 1:12:37 PM EDT
[#45]
Its a good gun for wenches and remfs.
Only the Americsns get really excited about it.The MP5s were mostly worn out and along with the 416,it was time for something new. |
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Posted: 2/28/2021 1:31:56 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Only the Americsns get really excited about it.The MP5s were mostly worn out and along with the 416,it was time for something new. If you could choose between having a brand new MP5K, B&T MP9-N (TP9), or HK MP7 on your thigh as a PDW, which one would you want? |
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Posted: 2/28/2021 4:28:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Marmite If you could choose between having a brand new MP5K, B&T MP9-N (TP9), or HK MP7 on your thigh as a PDW, which one would you want? It's really not going to matter much,because by the time a PDW is needed,its all gone to fuck and your rear position is being over run. MP5K because I have no knowledge of the B&T gun you mentioned. As a rumor I have heard the MP7 lacks terminal performance but really as I said above,its a wench/remf/ staff officer gun. |
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Posted: 2/28/2021 4:32:12 PM EDT
[#48]
A shotgun for a PDW?
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Posted: 2/28/2021 5:07:27 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A shotgun for a PDW? We can ignore you from here on out. Thank you Ryan_Scott. *edit,forgot the formalities * |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:11:51 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Only people that talk about this gun are people who have never held one, and definitely never shot one, and super double definitely never had to pay for ammo to shoot one in auto. People think it’s a small little ultra compact gun.... with stock extended and big mag it’s basically larger than a P90.... The MP7 is lame and people on jerk off over it because they can’t have it. Doesn’t need a new thread. I've shot numerous examples, in 3 configurations, and a couple thousand rounds total at this point. I'd gladly let go of 95% of my firearms to own one. Size wise it is similar in size to an mp5k. Plenty tiny enough for what I'd want one for. |
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