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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Ever wonder what a double powder load of 9mm will do to a micro Dagger? (Page 2 of 3)
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Glad you are ok. This is one reason I do prefer auto indexing, however, nothing is foolproof. In my life loading 100s of thousands of rounds, my biggest mistake was loading one squib; it was 223 with a powder that wasn't particularly filling and hard to see even with good lighting. Luckily the primer just knocked the bullet to the lands and there was still enough neck tension to extract it, or I very possibly could have wrecked an AR as I was on the clock and wanted it shooting again asap. I didn't detect any "pop" and just thought it was a dead primer. I've been present for several squibs in pistols, .45 and .38 super as I recall, and in all cases, thankfully the bullet was not driven far enough into the rifling to allow the next one to chamber. I also tend to hear a telltale light pop with those. So based on experience, I'd rather "take my chances" with a squib than a double, however obviously the possibility for catastrophe is still there. What I do now, if I have any sort of stoppage that could possibly affect more than one station, is clear off the whole shell plate and start over. I've certainly gone through north of 110lb of TG in my life. |
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Quoted: I’ve never seen a picture of an over pressure round that caused the barrel to peel back like that, normally you see it blow out the bottom and crack the frame. Are you sure you didn’t have an obstruction in the barrel? I’ve watched the video several times. The previous round seems to fire normally. It ejected and loaded the kaboom round. If I knew how to post a video I would post it. |
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Quoted: I was thinking the OP must shoot wearing a gopro w/head mount. Quite a picture! Glad to hear the pistol was the only casualty that day. Quoted: Quoted: Glad you are OK. Points for imagery on that - I've never seen such a clear photo of a Kaboom like that, and it's kind of an amazing and fascinating photo. I think you should watermark that - it's a really interesting and unique photo. You might want to reach out to PSA and let them know it happened, and offer them any failure mode data, if they are interested. The might just surprise you - by more than you expect. I was thinking the OP must shoot wearing a gopro w/head mount. Quite a picture! Glad to hear the pistol was the only casualty that day. I was holding my iPhone behind the gun taking a video. |
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Quoted: I’ve watched the video several times. The previous round seems to fire normally. It ejected and loaded the kaboom round. If I knew how to post a video I would post it. Quoted: Quoted: I’ve never seen a picture of an over pressure round that caused the barrel to peel back like that, normally you see it blow out the bottom and crack the frame. Are you sure you didn’t have an obstruction in the barrel? I’ve watched the video several times. The previous round seems to fire normally. It ejected and loaded the kaboom round. If I knew how to post a video I would post it. Youtube and Rumble are the main easy two options - and both actually are pretty easy. I slightly prefer Rumble for political reasons (I don't care for youtube/Google companies policies and election interference practices), but Rumble can be a bit obnoxious on the advertising and is a bit harder to use. So for now, just start with youtube, is my suggestion. |
| OP glad you are alright and can still give high fives! I had the same thing happen but luckily it was in a PSA AR9 and that chamber is built like a tank. It destroyed the charging handle and magazine but the gun was otherwise unscathed. It was quite the wake up call |
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Quoted: is your GF still interested in shooting a firearm? after this vivid demonstration? I think so. She tells me that I’m being too hard on myself about it, but I don’t think she understands the guilt I feel. She trust me to know what I’m doing, and keep her safe. This can’t help. Luckily I’ve built up enough of a track record that she still trust me. |
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Quoted: I think so. She tells me that I’m being too hard on myself about it, but I don’t think she understands the guilt I feel. She trust me to know what I’m doing, and keep her safe. This can’t help. Luckily I’ve built up enough of a track record that she still trust me. Quoted: Quoted: is your GF still interested in shooting a firearm? after this vivid demonstration? I think so. She tells me that I’m being too hard on myself about it, but I don’t think she understands the guilt I feel. She trust me to know what I’m doing, and keep her safe. This can’t help. Luckily I’ve built up enough of a track record that she still trust me. This is a good question for both of you. I was shooting an M17 last week and had a case head separation. It blew brass and power back in to my face. Compared to your incident it was nothing, no damage to the pistol or myself at all. Took me a while to unscrew my head to want to shoot THAT pistol more. |
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Quoted: I agree 100%. The 550 worked perfectly. I made a mistake. I clearly messed up clearing a stoppage in the press and I double charged a round. I also wasn’t visually checking every powder charge. Both of these practices will be followed religiously from now on. This hurts physically and financially. That was enough of a learning experience for me. Yep, long time 550b user. Any hiccup, glitch or stall demands a stop and assess every station moment. Things like a flipped or missing primer, an odd feel to the normal resistance when sizing, any hitch and snap of the powder bar, etc. I cannot fathom double pumping the handle for a double charge without a stop and assess. My process... insert brass on station 1, cycle WHILE WATCHING FOR: - powder bar full and smooth movement - feel smooth sizing, a cracked case will feel different if you missed that during case inspection (winchester nickel 357s seem to crop up here), a tipped bullet at station 3 you will feel as you ruin a neck if you’re not quick in the detection - on the return stroke, I am consciously watching the primer shuttle for a correctly oriented primer and a smooth and full return of the powder bar -seat primer -peer in to station 2 case to verify that you got your powder and it is correct in level. THEN you may rotate, place a bullet on three and a case on 1. each and every time you need to be observing the powder bar movement, the primer shuttle (especially when the plastic primer tube ends start getting wear on them) AND. visually examining each and every drop. My thumb never touches that plate index until I do. My common glitches, a flipped or sideways primer if the shuttle bar slide plate is dirty or worn, or no primer if I am not watching the knitting needle weight drop a bit toward the end of the fill, also If I have been pulling charges to spot check the weight I sometimes screw up and forget to put that brass button back. Of course the next case that goes up is sitting wide of the powder drop tube and gets mangled or dinged if my detection is slow. That and when weighing charges is when I am most vulnerable and most attentive. Those are a 100% stop and assess every station moment. Get a mental checklist like that in your head for every pull and be watching all those steps! |
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Quoted: One thing I do with my 550 is if I have ANY issue- primer, brass, whatever-, I pull the cases from station 1 (size/reprime) and station 2 (powder charge) and start fresh. Why? Because I caught a double charge just before I seated a bullet- caused by trying to clear a primer from behind the slide. |
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Quoted: Glad you are ok. This is one reason I do prefer auto indexing, however, nothing is foolproof. In my life loading 100s of thousands of rounds, my biggest mistake was loading one squib; it was 223 with a powder that wasn't particularly filling and hard to see even with good lighting. Luckily the primer just knocked the bullet to the lands and there was still enough neck tension to extract it, or I very possibly could have wrecked an AR as I was on the clock and wanted it shooting again asap. I didn't detect any "pop" and just thought it was a dead primer. I've been present for several squibs in pistols, .45 and .38 super as I recall, and in all cases, thankfully the bullet was not driven far enough into the rifling to allow the next one to chamber. I also tend to hear a telltale light pop with those. So based on experience, I'd rather "take my chances" with a squib than a double, however obviously the possibility for catastrophe is still there. What I do now, if I have any sort of stoppage that could possibly affect more than one station, is clear off the whole shell plate and start over. I've certainly gone through north of 110lb of TG in my life. I have had a couple along those lines. One 77 grain 5.56 load that I hadn’t intended to load. I was loading single stage match rounds and weighed every charge and put in cases in the loading block. I had extra primed cases in the loading block that I didn’t intend to load as I was doing a work up. Then I did the bullet seating. Well as you can guess by my foreshadowing I picked up an extra case that wasn’t charged. It of course got chambered and fired and I had a modest crimp on it. The bullet never budged. I heard nothing that sounded like an ignition. Then again I had ear pro on. Forensic examination showed a lot of soot on the bullet boat tail. No powder.  . That was the end of my charging cases in a loading block in bulk and later seating the bullet and also the end of leaving extra cases in the loading block that weren’t going to be loaded right then. Another time I had a 5.56 round misfire. I don’t recall if I heard anything but I think not. I pulled the round apart at home the powder had partially burned and turned greenish yellow. For whatever reason the primer lit but the main charge failed to burn much and maintain the burn. I had to scrape the chunks of powder out. Bad priming or partial priming, contaminated primer?.?? or case had moisture in it before being charged? I don’t recall the specifics but it was an odd one. Recently had a cast lead load I made that I was shooting indoors with a .357 revolver. I most certainly heard the snap of the primer detonate and it fizzled a couple moments while I held it down range expecting a hangfire. It did not hang fire. That has never happened to me in about 40 years of reloading. A couple surplus ammo click bang delays but no long delays and no fizzles like a muzzleloader in the rain. The case was not cleaned prior to reloading besides a cloth wipe down so there was no wash water in it for sure. At home I pulled it apart and the powder looked normal....I was half expecting no charge based on the sound and that is what my shooting buddy said too. I mention my watching my press operation while loading but here I was with a dud. I felt better that it was properly charged. No idea why that round failed.....bad primer, blocked flash hole, which I doubt as the case had a depriming pin run through it just a second before priming. |
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“ God damn!” I think you showed restraint with your language. I would have been a bit saltier and strung it out more. Any chance that was a set back bullet in the case? I am not an expert in analysis like some here. I have learned a thing or two here though. I was just speculating that you may have not double charged the case. Not sure if a set back would over pressure as much as what that pistol illustrated though. |
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Quoted: If you are going to load 9mm on a 550, get a light and look into every case to confirm powder level before seating bullet. Why I load pistol rounds on SDB's as they have auto advance. https://i.imgur.com/RMWV8tBl.jpg Notice light shinning into case so powder charge can be checked. You know, with today’s electronics, a camera could be added to the light. Maybe a raspberry Pi project? How about adding a laser level to measure powder depth? |
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I have never seen that in a glock with the barrel split open like a can of tuna that looks like there may have been a bore obstruction. I have see wrecked Python with what believed to be a double charge of bullseye taking out the top strap and 3 of the 6 chambers. A gun dealer had it framed in his shop and a reminder to be vigilant when reloading! Weighing cases to look for grow oddities seems like a fools errand. Too many other variables. Variation in bullet weight, case wt variation within one head stamp, etc. I watched a guy have a problem with a G19 with Titegroup. The frame shattered around mag release, the barrel held together, and the slide was toast. Glock did the guy a favor and got him a new gun at cost he said. I have burned up a lot TG. Personally never had a problem with it. I have created some squibs but no double charges on 550 with TG but 231/HP38. |
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Quoted: OP glad you are alright and can still give high fives! I had the same thing happen but luckily it was in a PSA AR9 and that chamber is built like a tank. It destroyed the charging handle and magazine but the gun was otherwise unscathed. It was quite the wake up call No, it's just a straight blowback action so your bolt opened much faster than normal, venting gas down the magwell and into the action destroying your charging handle. Straight blowbacks are some of the safest actions we've come up with, b/c even a barrel obstruction forces the action to open normally, just much faster, and if the case fails, then the gas & brass mostly exit out the ejection port. |
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Quoted: “ God damn!” I think you showed restraint with your language. I would have been a bit saltier and strung it out more. Any chance that was a set back bullet in the case? I am not an expert in analysis like some here. I have learned a thing or two here though. I was just speculating that you may have not double charged the case. Not sure if a set back would over pressure as much as what that pistol illustrated though. Not even remotely close. There is way too much hoopla and over-concern about bullet setback. I doubt there is any realistic possibility other than WAY, WAY too much powder in that one, (or barrel obstruction, but as mentioned, the previous round looks like it fires fine, so I'd rule that out) and even then, that damage looks pretty extreme. Most pistols are pretty tough and forgiving compared to rifles, in my opinion, but I guess not that one. Most book loads aren't that close to any actual danger zone, where as with rifles I've learned to do a fresh workup with each powder lot and found at least one instance where a book max would be seriously over pressure. (and to be fair, many more were a book max is pretty far under pressure). I just don't find that variability with pistols, and people shoot 9 major, way over book max, all the time. ymmv. |
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Quoted: TBH, kinda noticed that too. Did OP say If it still runs and holds zero. Because.. kind of wow. Quoted: Quoted: I’m glad you’re OK In other news….HOLOSUN durability ftw TBH, kinda noticed that too. Did OP say If it still runs and holds zero. Because.. kind of wow. Seems good to go… Attached File |
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Quoted: Not even remotely close. There is way too much hoopla and over-concern about bullet setback. I doubt there is any realistic possibility other than WAY, WAY too much powder in that one, (or barrel obstruction, but as mentioned, the previous round looks like it fires fine, so I'd rule that out) and even then, that damage looks pretty extreme. Most pistols are pretty tough and forgiving compared to rifles, in my opinion, but I guess not that one. Most book loads aren't that close to any actual danger zone, where as with rifles I've learned to do a fresh workup with each powder lot and found at least one instance where a book max would be seriously over pressure. (and to be fair, many more were a book max is pretty far under pressure). I just don't find that variability with pistols, and people shoot 9 major, way over book max, all the time. ymmv. Quoted: Quoted: “ God damn!” I think you showed restraint with your language. I would have been a bit saltier and strung it out more. Any chance that was a set back bullet in the case? I am not an expert in analysis like some here. I have learned a thing or two here though. I was just speculating that you may have not double charged the case. Not sure if a set back would over pressure as much as what that pistol illustrated though. Not even remotely close. There is way too much hoopla and over-concern about bullet setback. I doubt there is any realistic possibility other than WAY, WAY too much powder in that one, (or barrel obstruction, but as mentioned, the previous round looks like it fires fine, so I'd rule that out) and even then, that damage looks pretty extreme. Most pistols are pretty tough and forgiving compared to rifles, in my opinion, but I guess not that one. Most book loads aren't that close to any actual danger zone, where as with rifles I've learned to do a fresh workup with each powder lot and found at least one instance where a book max would be seriously over pressure. (and to be fair, many more were a book max is pretty far under pressure). I just don't find that variability with pistols, and people shoot 9 major, way over book max, all the time. ymmv. Mostly my opinion as well. Mostly. Non-item in rifles. But I have measured a fairly substantial velocity increase in setback bullets in 9mm. Over 100 fps even, in an 8" Barrel. So that took a decent pressure spike to do that. But not enough to do a kaboom like that - no way. I've never had a problem in fact, and can't even tell anything at all from the brass upon pickup. |
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Quoted: No, it's just a straight blowback action so your bolt opened much faster than normal, venting gas down the magwell and into the action destroying your charging handle. Straight blowbacks are some of the safest actions we've come up with, b/c even a barrel obstruction forces the action to open normally, just much faster, and if the case fails, then the gas & brass mostly exit out the ejection port. Quoted: Quoted: OP glad you are alright and can still give high fives! I had the same thing happen but luckily it was in a PSA AR9 and that chamber is built like a tank. It destroyed the charging handle and magazine but the gun was otherwise unscathed. It was quite the wake up call No, it's just a straight blowback action so your bolt opened much faster than normal, venting gas down the magwell and into the action destroying your charging handle. Straight blowbacks are some of the safest actions we've come up with, b/c even a barrel obstruction forces the action to open normally, just much faster, and if the case fails, then the gas & brass mostly exit out the ejection port. I completely agree but compared to a handgun that chamber is chonky |
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You have to get into the mental mindset that if there is a stoppage on the 550, you have to completely get out of the "mindless automaton" mode and reset back to square one. That being said, it is still possible. Rare, but possible. I've recently started wearing a headlamp when reloading to make sure I clearly see into the case before I seat the bullet. Switching to a powder that fills more of the case and makes double-charges difficult is a good idea too. Glad nothing serious happened. 
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Quoted: This is good advice! I've seen several kabooms ROing matches. Rifles and pistols, but definitely more pistol kabooms. The two most common pistol caliber issues are fiddling with the press mid process to clear issues or weighing charges. Weighing every 10th, 20th, whatever seems to be the most common. Double charges and squibs are the result. That’s how I had mine. It was a Springfield Loaded in 45ACP with a double charge of 231. Blew out the grip panels and ejected the magazine. Once I got all the bits of brass jamming up the frame/slide rails, it worked fine. I am a lot more careful these days and don’t check powder weights nearly so often once the measure is set. |
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Quoted: You know, with today’s electronics, a camera could be added to the light. Maybe a raspberry Pi project? How about adding a laser level to measure powder depth? This is a great idea. Having your head positioned over the press to view powder isn't very ergonomic when your sitting. I have a camera mounted on a balance beam so my head doesn't have to be in the exact same position for accurate readings and enlarges the image substantially. Same could be done on the press. I'll make a commitment to myself figure out a mount and find a camera. Already ordered a goose neck light with a magnet mount to use on a SDB. Attached File |
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Quoted: No Quoted: Quoted: Is 4.2 grains within the variation of case weight & bullet weight? No I don’t know. When weighing my finished rounds, sorted by brass type, they are within 1 to 1.5 grains of each other. For instance my JAG brass reloads weigh between 174.8gn and 176.1gn. I weighed 167 rounds. One had a weight of about 170, I knew it was lacking powder as soon as I weighed it. I pulled it to confirm. The brass weight does change between brands. My rough averages per brass type… Jag 175 Win 180 Speer 178 AAC 176 FC 177 Blazer 178 |
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Quoted: I don’t know. When weighing my finished rounds, sorted by brass type, they are within 1 to 1.5 grains of each other. For instance my JAG brass reloads weigh between 174.8gn and 176.1gn. I weighed 167 rounds. One had a weight of about 170, I knew it was lacking powder as soon as I weighed it. I pulled it to confirm. The brass weight does change between brands. My rough averages per brass type… Jag 175 Win 180 Speer 178 AAC 176 FC 177 Blazer 178 Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Is 4.2 grains within the variation of case weight & bullet weight? No I don’t know. When weighing my finished rounds, sorted by brass type, they are within 1 to 1.5 grains of each other. For instance my JAG brass reloads weigh between 174.8gn and 176.1gn. I weighed 167 rounds. One had a weight of about 170, I knew it was lacking powder as soon as I weighed it. I pulled it to confirm. The brass weight does change between brands. My rough averages per brass type… Jag 175 Win 180 Speer 178 AAC 176 FC 177 Blazer 178 This. You aren't going to find a pistol powder double charge in mixed brass by weighing. You can do a statistical probability approach, sort by headstamp, and weigh, and pull the heaviest and the lightest by weight, as a quality check. But with pistol ammo, you can easily get a 4gr variation in final round mass. |
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Quoted: This. You aren't going to find a pistol powder double charge in mixed brass by weighing. You can do a statistical probability approach, sort by headstamp, and weigh, and pull the heaviest and the lightest by weight, as a quality check. But with pistol ammo, you can easily get a 4gr variation in final round mass. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Is 4.2 grains within the variation of case weight & bullet weight? No I don’t know. When weighing my finished rounds, sorted by brass type, they are within 1 to 1.5 grains of each other. For instance my JAG brass reloads weigh between 174.8gn and 176.1gn. I weighed 167 rounds. One had a weight of about 170, I knew it was lacking powder as soon as I weighed it. I pulled it to confirm. The brass weight does change between brands. My rough averages per brass type… Jag 175 Win 180 Speer 178 AAC 176 FC 177 Blazer 178 This. You aren't going to find a pistol powder double charge in mixed brass by weighing. You can do a statistical probability approach, sort by headstamp, and weigh, and pull the heaviest and the lightest by weight, as a quality check. But with pistol ammo, you can easily get a 4gr variation in final round mass. This is exactly what I did. I was actually very surprised how consistent they were when sorted by brass type. Right after it happened I intended to pull every round, but after sorting and weighing them, I feel pretty confident…. Famous last words, I know. Especially coming from the guy who just blew up his new gun. |
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Whooaaaa…. Dang. Impressive photo. Have some TG powder, but have never used any. Gonna watch it when I do obviously. It was a gift, I don’t know anything about it actually. I prefer something that auto indexes as well. If I have an issue on my LNL, I clear off the shell plate, and do everything over. Might take a bit more time, but who cares… Good reminder to wear those safety glasses! I see so many people posting photos and videos where they routinely shoot with no eye protection. Eventually your number may run out. I kaboomed a Glock 22 over 25 years ago due to a weak casing, hot load, and likely the unsupported chamber issue. Was nowhere as bad though. So I don’t load real hot anymore! Also have had kabooms with some surplus .308 (junk QC apparently) and commercially reloaded .223 ammo (pull down revealed wild powder weight variations). So it can happen in factory ammo as well…. Wear those safety glasses… |
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I use TiteGroup in my 147 grain 9mm subsonics, a 3.6 gr charge. If I can’t see the level I probe level with a dowel or piece of chopstick. It cuts down my rounds per hour but prevents squibs. If level looks high, that case gets pulled & weighed. 5.56 is the hardest to see charges that have low fill. It’s the only cartridge I’ve considered using a powder-check die for but haven’t yet. I’ve got two 550s and and RCBS piggyback 2. At some point over decades I’ve luckily caught myself making mistakes with both manual advance and auto advance. I tend now to load in shorter, more focused sessions, trying to verify to myself each step. Glad you weren’t seriously injured. Thanks for a sobering post. It could happen to any one of us with a distraction, lack of sleep, getting complacent etc. so it’s a good reminder to be on guard. |
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Quoted: I think so. She tells me that I’m being too hard on myself about it, but I don’t think she understands the guilt I feel. She trust me to know what I’m doing, and keep her safe. This can’t help. Luckily I’ve built up enough of a track record that she still trust me. No need for guilt, move on with life. You made a mistake and nobody was harmed. It's what the ole timers call a bought lesson, which is many more times valuable than a told one. Another of my favorite favorite sayings is, "There's just a couple of things that prevents a fellow from doing great things in life.... fear and lack of confidence" Don't let this mishap drain all the enjoyment from the hobby. No flinching! lol |
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A fellow reloader invited me to take his Dillon 550 for a test drive. At the time I owned a Dillon SDB. It didn't take long for me to decide that the 550 was not something I'd buy after failing to remember to advance the shellplate; the owner was riding herd on me and in this instance it was a good thing. All it takes with the 550 is one time. I consider myself a careful reloader but I'm not infallible. |
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No offense intended to anyone here, or anyone that reloads, but this is why I never allow reloads to be fired in any gun I own. And before all the "factory loads have caused KABOOMs, too" comments, the odds don't even come close to comparing to the ones caused by reloads. |
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Quoted: No offense intended to anyone here, or anyone that reloads, but this is why I never allow reloads to be fired in any gun I own. And before all the "factory loads have caused KABOOMs, too" comments, the odds don't even come close to comparing to the ones caused by reloads. .300 Eldest Son is working on it, give it time. Our other current Kaboom thread: https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/785620_Blew-up-my-go-to-AR15-300-blkout.html |
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Quoted: No offense intended to anyone here, or anyone that reloads, but this is why I never allow reloads to be fired in any gun I own. And before all the "factory loads have caused KABOOMs, too" comments, the odds don't even come close to comparing to the ones caused by reloads. Perception of risk changes when we are in the drivers seat or doing something familiar. Some variations on your theme: I know guys who will reload for very expensive (but somewhat easily replaced) precision rifle but they won’t run reloads through pre-86 machine guns. I know people who trust their reloads but won’t let others shoot their reloads because they don’t want to be liable for another’s mishap. It’s all part of the “is reloading worth it” discussion. There are personality traits like ADD that are an obvious risk, and conscientiousness, detail orientation, and fidelity to process discipline are personality traits that run counter to risk taking and openness to new experience. I’d never be offended by anyone skeptical of my reloads given my decades of experience in manufacturing and process control. It’s a good default position. Low volume single step reloading reduces risk and allows time for 100% inspection. |
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Quoted: 550 And titegroup has been the common denominator in the few I've seen in USPSA My policy (already explained) with my 550 is only use pistol powders that if double charged will overflow, not be higher and can be missed if you don't catch it but overflow as in a mess you can not miss. You can double charge a competition load of Titegroup and not see it easily. Again, IMO, if you use powders like Titegroup use a self indexing press not a 550 as a kaboom is in your future so if you insist now would be a good time to get right with the Lord |
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Quoted: My policy (already explained) with my 550 is only use pistol powders that if double charged will overflow, not be higher and can be missed if you don't catch it but overflow as in a mess you can not miss. You can double charge a competition load of Titegroup and not see it easily. Again, IMO, if you use powders like Titegroup use a self indexing press not a 550 as a kaboom is in your future so if you insist now would be a good time to get right with the Lord A good plan. My other safe practice is to do certain things on the single stage. My .32 S&W long powder charges are small. I charge the case with a RCBS uniflow with the small drum after lots of weighed throws. Immediately after a filled case it gets put in the shell holder and a bullet seated over the charge. I no longer will charge a loading block of cases the seat a bullet on them all after. Pick up case, charge, put in shell holder, seat. Way less chance of a double, triple or no charge case. +1 on the bulky charge that spills on a double charge. When I first got back in to loading .357 I used Trailboss. You won’t miss a double charge with those light donuts. I have moved away from TB but there are other “fluffy” powders. |
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Quoted: No offense intended to anyone here, or anyone that reloads, but this is why I never allow reloads to be fired in any gun I own. And before all the "factory loads have caused KABOOMs, too" comments, the odds don't even come close to comparing to the ones caused by reloads. Sadly the odds of kabooming a gun with factory ammo seem to have increased by a lot in my shooting tenure. I have lost a lot of faith in factory QC. |
[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Ever wonder what a double powder load of 9mm will do to a micro Dagger? (Page 2 of 3)
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