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Posted: 1/4/2016 11:20:58 PM EDT

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With the price I have previously found 55gr FMJBT w/C from Hornady I haven't been to interested. But then I haven't seen Wolf projectiles for sale either. Also I question their quality, the Hornady is cheap and consistent. I have weighed a hand full their 55gr and all were within .2gr most that weren't dead on were .1gr +/- (majority was dead on). And they measured pretty consistently with the mic.

I haven't seen any ballistics tests with them, I'm sure someone has done it. I'd like to know if there jacket is thin enough from a 20" rifle at 100 yards to consistently brake at the cannelure and fragment.

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Posted: 1/4/2016 11:51:31 PM EDT

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Hornady can be had for about 8.5 cents a piece. How much cheaper do you need to go?

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A LOT.

Bulk reloading is ALL about the lowest cost for components.

If these are the same projectiles in Wolf Gold, I would stack them against Hornady.

I'll know soon enough.

Posted: 1/5/2016 12:17:37 AM EDT

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With the cheap Wolf primers, cheap Wolf bullets, and used PMC brass I picked up for free, and some of the bulk WC844, I think I got a pretty cheap blasting plinking round in the near future.

Once the bullets get here, I'll work up a decent plinking load, and fire up the 1050 with the Auto Drive, sock away 2000 in some ammo cans for a rainy day.

Posted: 1/5/2016 12:36:40 AM EDT

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Thinner jacket with a wider cannelure should help fragmentation, yes?

Posted: 1/5/2016 1:00:06 AM EDT

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http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_16/673607_M193_jacket_comparison___Wolf_Gold__IMI__and_XM193.html

Theoretically, it should fragment similarly to any other M193 bullet.

Posted: 1/6/2016 6:10:09 PM EDT

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I just went on the 4k deal with a friend

Cheap enough to work up a good load for 2gun .

Posted: 1/7/2016 6:50:06 PM EDT

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So i just got my order of "wolf projectiles". Company sends me 1000 rounds of primd brass even though invoice says projectiles.

Wolf primers came and one box had lose primers rolling all around in it.

I am so damn disappointed. And to top it off their customer service is closed.

Posted: 1/7/2016 7:15:15 PM EDT

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Did you get primers or primed brass. I cant tell from your post.

Posted: 1/7/2016 7:34:06 PM EDT

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Ordered primers and projectiles. Got primers and primed brass.

Posted: 1/7/2016 8:33:07 PM EDT

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And You're saying the primers came loose during shipping?

Just got My shipment notification. Hope they packed it better then Yours.

Posted: 1/7/2016 8:36:25 PM EDT

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yup. bout 50 of those little suckers rolling around in the box. for a $28 hazmat fee, better care should have been taken.

they better have in-stock the projectiles i ordered.

Posted: 1/8/2016 12:59:55 AM EDT

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Got my 4k projectiles and sleeve of small rifle primers in today. Everything was tidy and not spillage. Quick glance of the projectiles and they look pretty decent and uniform. Did not notice any major defects or damages.

Also have 8 lbs CFE223 and 8lbs AA#7 on the way from powder valley. If my credit card wasn't already pretty high I would have ordered twice as much.

Posted: 1/8/2016 10:37:43 AM EDT

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just got off phone with them. returning brass, and sending me projectiles. In regards to the primers, they seemed pretty un-concerned about it. maybe it was just her personality.

but, they have a shitload of projectiles in stock per my asking. order away.

Posted: 1/8/2016 11:28:20 AM EDT

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So i just got my order of "wolf projectiles". Company sends me 1000 rounds of primd brass even though invoice says projectiles.

Wolf primers came and one box had lose primers rolling all around in it.

I am so damn disappointed. And to top it off their customer service is closed.

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Honestly, I get this all the time with Wolf primers (especially LP & LR) regardless of vendor. It happens.....

Posted: 1/9/2016 8:09:28 AM EDT

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So i just got my order of "wolf projectiles". Company sends me 1000 rounds of primd brass even though invoice says projectiles.

Wolf primers came and one box had lose primers rolling all around in it.

I am so damn disappointed. And to top it off their customer service is closed.

Honestly, I get this all the time with Wolf primers (especially LP & LR) regardless of vendor. It happens.....

I've had this with wolf and S&B primers. The boxes are cheese grade thick paper but for $100/5k, I don't mind loosing a few cents worth

Posted: 1/12/2016 2:00:24 PM EDT

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Lil update. I finally got the wrong item picked up - almost a week after dealing with the vendor on this issue. To make me a happy customer, i got a sizable refund on my order. I guess i was "that guy" who's entire order process got screwed up.

So, i may buy from them again. may not, but at least they made it right.

Posted: 1/17/2016 12:44:40 PM EDT

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Anyone else get some time in with these?
Garrett's report was somewhat promising, but enough variables in there to not really have a clear comparison of e.g. same rifle, Hornady or known factory ammo vs the Wolfs.
Anyone else load 'em and have results to share at 50, 100, 300yd?

Posted: 1/20/2016 1:51:24 PM EDT

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Just loaded a few. The cannelure seemed lower than Hornady, but consistent.

I usually load to 2.220, with these that OAL covers the cannelure completely.

I weighed 10 all were +/- .2 Gr and the OAL of the bullets were between .736 and .745

Grant

Posted: 1/20/2016 2:59:52 PM EDT

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Just loaded a few. The cannelure seemed lower than Hornady, but consistent.

I usually load to 2.220, with these that OAL covers the cannelure completely.

I weighed 10 all were +/- .2 Gr and the OAL of the bullets were between .736 and .745

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I was going to comment on this. The cannelure is lower. With cases trimmed to exactly 1.750", a COAL of 2.24" is just at the edge of covering the cannelure. Most 55gr FMJ's will have a COAL of 2.20" when seated to the cannelure.

I actually kind of like this - less jump to the lands.... however, it is a distinction that these will require longer loading than typical if you are crimping into the cannelure.

Posted: 1/20/2016 3:15:15 PM EDT

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I was going to comment on this. The cannelure is lower. With cases trimmed to exactly 1.750", a COAL of 2.24" is just at the edge of covering the cannelure. Most 55gr FMJ's will have a COAL of 2.20" when seated to the cannelure.

I actually kind of like this - less jump to the lands.... however, it is a distinction that these will require longer loading than typical if you are crimping into the cannelure.

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Just loaded a few. The cannelure seemed lower than Hornady, but consistent.

I usually load to 2.220, with these that OAL covers the cannelure completely.

I weighed 10 all were +/- .2 Gr and the OAL of the bullets were between .736 and .745

Grant

I was going to comment on this. The cannelure is lower. With cases trimmed to exactly 1.750", a COAL of 2.24" is just at the edge of covering the cannelure. Most 55gr FMJ's will have a COAL of 2.20" when seated to the cannelure.

I actually kind of like this - less jump to the lands.... however, it is a distinction that these will require longer loading than typical if you are crimping into the cannelure.

Yeah, I adjusted to .224 and they where you say they are, right at top of cannelure.

They are pretty consistent overall....as long as I can get 2-3 MOA I'm happy.

Grant

Posted: 1/20/2016 5:30:30 PM EDT

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They are pretty consistent overall....as long as I can get 2-3 MOA I'm happy.
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Since several people have gotten 5 shot groups of 1-2MOA from Wolf M193, and these are the same projectiles, I am anticipating better.

Posted: 1/20/2016 9:21:00 PM EDT

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I just ordered 4K to split with a buddy. anyone have a favorite load to share using BLC2 or CFE223?

Posted: 1/20/2016 9:35:51 PM EDT

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I loaded them with 26.5 grains of CFE223. Coal of 2.24

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Posted: 1/21/2016 6:14:20 PM EDT

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Had a little bit of time today to fire off some of these Wolf's. Not bad with some quick recipes, some more tweaking should be able to shrink the groups down.

Shot at 100 yards with new build....Ballistic Advantage 16" .223 Wylde, 1:8, Hanson SS Barrel. Using 12x power scope.

Remington brass trimmed 1.755", CCI400 primers, and the only powder I had at the time WIN 748. col is 2.255"

Posted: 1/21/2016 6:53:42 PM EDT

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Not bad groups for a FMJ bullet first time out. Thanks for posting.

Posted: 1/21/2016 7:16:25 PM EDT

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That looks pretty good. Was that from a rest or off hand?

Posted: 1/21/2016 8:23:49 PM EDT

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Bipod only. Brand new rifle. Shot first 7 rounds with PMC 55gr to get scope on target and make sure the rifle functioned 100%. Than shot test loads of Wolf 55gr, than Hornady 75gr.

Posted: 1/21/2016 8:25:36 PM EDT

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Bipod only. Brand new rifle. Shot first 7 rounds with PMC 55gr to get scope on target and make sure the rifle functioned 100%. Than shot test loads of Wolf 55gr, than Hornady 75gr.

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That looks pretty good. Was that from a rest or off hand?

Bipod only. Brand new rifle. Shot first 7 rounds with PMC 55gr to get scope on target and make sure the rifle functioned 100%. Than shot test loads of Wolf 55gr, than Hornady 75gr.

How did the H75's shoot?

Posted: 1/21/2016 8:38:07 PM EDT

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Like crap. Lol. Actually not too bad, but the 77 Nosler CC are much better imho. That's what I usually shoot, but all they had were 75s and they were on sale, so I took the plunge.

Posted: 1/21/2016 9:34:58 PM EDT

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Like crap. Lol. Actually not too bad, but the 77 Nosler CC are much better imho. That's what I usually shoot, but all they had were 75s and they were on sale, so I took the plunge.

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H75's shoot pretty good for me - but I have never gotten them close to what a SMK is capable of. I can generally get a H75 BTHP within 1-1.5 MOA pretty quickly with Varget.

Posted: 1/22/2016 9:14:46 AM EDT

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Thanks for the reports, guys. Based on what I'm seeing, I think I'm going to pull the trigger on some of these.

Posted: 1/22/2016 10:57:18 AM EDT

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H75's shoot pretty good for me - but I have never gotten them close to what a SMK is capable of. I can generally get a H75 BTHP within 1-1.5 MOA pretty quickly with Varget.

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Like crap. Lol. Actually not too bad, but the 77 Nosler CC are much better imho. That's what I usually shoot, but all they had were 75s and they were on sale, so I took the plunge.

H75's shoot pretty good for me - but I have never gotten them close to what a SMK is capable of. I can generally get a H75 BTHP within 1-1.5 MOA pretty quickly with Varget.

The H75's weren't too shabby. I know I can squeeze more out of these groups, maybe I was expecting more knowing what the Noslers and SMK can do. The H75's used Remington brass trimmed to 1.755", CCI400 primers, IMR 8208 XBR, and col was 2.255".

I've never fired the Hornady 55's so I can't compare them to the Wolf's, but I like the way they are shooting for cheap plinking bullets. If I can get the groups to shrink some more, I'll be sure to post. Now back to the reloading bench!

Posted: 1/22/2016 1:42:56 PM EDT

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2.24 puts the crimp right at the top of the cannelure on these bullets.

Total cost per round about .16

Wolf 55gr FMJBT
Tula SRM (last brick)
LC Brass
26.5g CFE223

Grant

Posted: 1/22/2016 7:27:22 PM EDT

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Anyone taken them out to 200-300yd and can compare to Hornady's or just report results at > 100yds?

Posted: 1/24/2016 2:24:38 PM EDT

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I went out today an tested some.

Platform is the stag 3gun with the sd3g trigger.

Here's 50 yards free hand.

100 yards free hand I'm sure I can pull the group in with a rest.

50 yards bench rest

This is a 3 gun load so it works for me.

Cci41
25gns H335
Misc brass.
Bullet set to 2.2455

Posted: 1/24/2016 8:53:48 PM EDT

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What's free hand? Standing, offhand?

Posted: 1/24/2016 9:22:57 PM EDT

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Standing.

Posted: 1/24/2016 10:19:45 PM EDT

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Had a little bit of time today to fire off some of these Wolf's. Not bad with some quick recipes, some more tweaking should be able to shrink the groups down.

Shot at 100 yards with new build....Ballistic Advantage 16" .223 Wylde, 1:8, Hanson SS Barrel. Using 12x power scope.

Remington brass trimmed 1.755", CCI400 primers, and the only powder I had at the time WIN 748. col is 2.255"

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f199/04_MACH_1/Untitled_zps537bh8fh.png

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Nice,

I see a pattern. What load will you go with or do you need more testing?

Posted: 1/24/2016 10:50:24 PM EDT

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I see a pattern. What load will you go with or do you need more testing?

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I'm gonna take the 25.2 and 25.8, and mess with the col. I called the flyer on the 25.8, so those two loads will be adjusted a little to see if I can squeeze some more out of it. Either of those will work right now for plinking and paper punching, but I kinda want to see if I can shrink them down.

My buddy gave me a box of hornady 55gr, so I'm gonna load those up and compare. Hopefully get out there this Thursday.

Posted: 1/24/2016 10:51:40 PM EDT

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I went out today an tested some.

Platform is the stag 3gun with the sd3g trigger.
http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x332/Mike_Boles/BF2D21C9-E0BE-4B65-AFAE-459E799F9D52_zps6badsxjm.jpg

Here's 50 yards free hand.
http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x332/Mike_Boles/ECE265FA-DC9D-4902-B489-8130B540D2FE_zpsm91ue5b8.jpg

100 yards free hand I'm sure I can pull the group in with a rest.
http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x332/Mike_Boles/DFA4EF01-52E7-49C1-A1CA-1794442FAC24_zpsuxxrb3xl.jpg

50 yards bench rest
http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x332/Mike_Boles/CBD26986-F65F-4371-AF22-2945DDC14F19_zpseswougjj.jpg

This is a 3 gun load so it works for me.

Cci41
25gns H335
Misc brass.
Bullet set to 2.2455

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Nicely done! I'd say they're decent shooter's by those results.

Posted: 1/24/2016 11:03:50 PM EDT

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I'm interested in this as well. I have around 6-700 Tula 62gr bullets, and a few hundred generic 55gr bullets to load up and try (also picked up a couple hundred 75gr no-names, but that's for a different thread). I may end up loading the 55 and 62gr bullets for my 10.5" bullet sprayer, where accuracy really isn't that big of a concern.

Posted: 1/25/2016 1:14:52 AM EDT

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I ordered 4k of these today. Looking forward to seeing what they can do.

Posted: 2/8/2016 1:27:13 PM EDT

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Ok, so I have some results from these projos.
I did not work up a load for these, but used my plug and play 3gun hoser load.
My local matches don't often go much beyond 50 yards, if they do I use a different load for those stages.
So for close in work I use 55gr with 22.5gr ( WARNING, BELOW BOOK MIN ) of H335. It is very light and soft shooting, but decently accurate.
I loaded the wolf projos to......

22.5gr H335 ( WARNING, BELOW BOOK MIN )
Win SRP
2.248" OAL
PMC Brass

My rifle is tuned to these loads. It sports an 18" green mountain stainless/fluted barrel 1:8 with wylde chamber, rifle length gas, lightweight bcg, carbine buffer and spring. Is capable of sub moa no problem. I usually shoot in limited so it sports a red dot.

Yesterday I was testing a 1-6x optic and new mount and was hoping to find one of my regular heavy 68,69,75,77gr loads that will shoot similar POI to my light weight hoser loads.
My rest was not very good and the rifle was sliding around a bit on the bags, so results were not stellar, but should show a good sampling.

Shooting at 50 yards at 6x produced the following.
Top row was the wolf 55gr/22.5gr h335 loads.
Bottom row was in this order from left to right......
69gr Nosler CC/23.1gr IMR8208
69gr Nosler CC/23.1gr IMR8208
75gr Hornady Match/23.4gr IMR8208
69gr Nosler CC/23.1gr IMR8208
55gr Hornady FMJ/25gr H335

I have to preface the results by stating this rifle hates the hornady 55gr/25gr H335 combo, but most of my other rifles will shoot it moa.

Oh yea, edit to add, all 5 shot groups.

Posted: 2/15/2016 2:32:29 PM EDT

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Any new range reports from those playing with loads?

Posted: 2/15/2016 4:40:22 PM EDT

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I used some loaded with 26.5g CFE223 Friday to zero an Aimpoint. Once I got it dialed in I was consistently sub 4 MOA. This is obviously not an accuracy test with a red dot, but I no complaints with these bullets whatsoever.

Once I get through my first 4K, I will order more.

Grant

Posted: 3/1/2016 11:35:20 PM EDT

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Will 2.260 oal be dangerous? Anyone measure factory wolf gold.

Posted: 3/1/2016 11:45:05 PM EDT

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Dangerous in what way?

The only thing I don't like about 2.260" is that some mags don't like them at max length like that. That's why I shoot for 2.250" unless I am loading match ammo and need a shorter jump to the lands.