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Posted: 9/28/2020 5:30:19 PM EDT
Not usable. Was told it was ready to go. Will not even go into gauge. Reached out to seller, waiting for reply.
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Posted: 9/28/2020 5:32:55 PM EDT
[#1]
Oh Lordy those are scrap.
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Posted: 9/28/2020 5:33:36 PM EDT
[#2]
Are those old/early cases?
This is exactly why I do not reload .40SW. I have never had the issue with .357 Sig. |
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Posted: 9/28/2020 5:35:22 PM EDT
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How long ago did you reach out to the seller? Maybe try contacting a EE mod.
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Posted: 9/28/2020 5:38:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh Lordy those are scrap. Yeah, WTF. |
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Posted: 9/28/2020 5:40:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How long ago did you reach out to the seller? Maybe try contacting a EE mod. Just received them today and sent him IM. He did mention roll sizing in ad, maybe a little too much. |
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Posted: 9/28/2020 5:43:37 PM EDT
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I have loaded a lot of 40. Never had that happen to my brass, nor would I use that brass.
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Posted: 9/28/2020 5:45:53 PM EDT
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I'd be ashamed to sell that as anything more than scrap.
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Posted: 9/28/2020 5:47:25 PM EDT
[#8]
did it come like that or did you do the sizing? If you, does a unsized case fit in the gauge?
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Posted: 9/28/2020 5:48:39 PM EDT
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Ugh. I wonder what is was fired out of to bulge that much? What kind of dies were they resizing with?
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Posted: 9/28/2020 5:50:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: did it come like that or did you do the sizing? If you, does a unsized case fit in the gauge? The way they showed up and they will not go into gauge. |
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Posted: 9/28/2020 5:51:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ugh. I wonder what is was fired out of to bulge that much? What kind of dies were they resizing with? Believe he mentioned roll sizing them. |
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Posted: 9/28/2020 5:51:30 PM EDT
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No way I would use that.
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Posted: 9/28/2020 5:51:35 PM EDT
[#13]
Oh my!
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Posted: 9/28/2020 5:53:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The way they showed up and they will not go into gauge. that's f*cked, open a dispute on EE, not as advertised All my 40SW brass is range pickups and might have had a handful ending up like that, probably shot from older Glock with partially unsupported chamber. Using spray lube on the cases helps a lot |
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Posted: 9/28/2020 5:56:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: that's f*cked, open a dispute on EE, not as advertised All my 40SW brass is range pickups and might have had a handful ending up like that, probably shot from older Glock with partially unsupported chamber. Using spray lube on the cases helps a lot I'll wait and see how he handles it,, Hope no one else bought some, he had a bunch for sale. |
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Posted: 9/28/2020 6:02:33 PM EDT
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<meme removed> this is not GD, dryflash3
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Posted: 9/28/2020 7:45:58 PM EDT
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I've been reloading 40 cal for 25+ years & have never seen any cases that bad. Granted I didn't start shooting a Glock till the early 2000's & they had improved the chambers by then, so unless they were sitting in a closet & forgotten for the the last 25 years, I don't know how they managed to come out like that. I'm not even certain they came out quite that bad out of the 1st Glocks in 40 cal. I'd be pretty wary to shoot any. You could try taking the better looking ones & running them through a bulge buster to see what happens.
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Posted: 9/28/2020 7:48:09 PM EDT
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I'm curious why you're trying to gauge empty brass that you have not loaded? It's never even crossed my mind, is that a thing?
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Posted: 9/28/2020 7:57:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've been reloading 40 cal for 25+ years & have never seen any cases that bad. Granted I didn't start shooting a Glock till the early 2000's & they had improved the chambers by then, so unless they were sitting in a closet & forgotten for the the last 25 years, I don't know how they managed to come out like that. I'm not even certain they came out quite that bad out of the 1st Glocks in 40 cal. I'd be pretty wary to shoot any. You could try taking the better looking ones & running them through a bulge buster to see what happens. He said in ad they went through a roll sizer and fully prepped. My guess it didn't go so well. |
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Posted: 9/28/2020 7:58:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/28/2020 7:59:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm curious why you're trying to gauge empty brass that you have not loaded? It's never even crossed my mind, is that a thing? He said brass was prepped/sized, should drop in gauge. |
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Posted: 9/28/2020 8:01:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm curious why you're trying to gauge empty brass that you have not loaded? It's never even crossed my mind, is that a thing? When you get something that is visibly trash like that it makes sense to gauge it before wasting time processing or loading it. |
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Posted: 9/28/2020 8:04:25 PM EDT
[#23]
Maybe the sentence got truncated;
Was told it was ready to go. Was told it was ready to go to the brass recycling station. |
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Posted: 9/28/2020 8:04:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryMaybe grabbed the reject pile by mistake?? Don't know, but they will not pass the test. |
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Posted: 9/28/2020 8:05:09 PM EDT
[#25]
That is not roll sized brass.
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Posted: 9/28/2020 8:06:52 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistorySums it up nicely. Just saw the link to the EE ad, almost bit on that ad myself 
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Posted: 9/28/2020 8:20:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is not roll sized brass. Maybe sizer was set wrong, too high? The edge/gouge on case will catch a finger nail, pretty deep. |
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Posted: 9/28/2020 8:32:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe sizer was set wrong, too high? The edge/gouge on case will catch a finger nail, pretty deep. in some of the brass in the pics, the brass looks too large, maybe from out of spec chamber. Where the sizing stops is where the sizer die hits the shell holder or shell plate, it can't size all the way to the bottom of the case rim the other brass pieces looks like it's hitting a Glock Smiley an alternative theory is maybe he used a 357 sizing die or something |
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Posted: 9/28/2020 8:35:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe grabbed the reject pile by mistake?? Don't know, but they will not pass the test. Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe grabbed the reject pile by mistake?? Don't know, but they will not pass the test. This isn't the first time he sold a member scrap brass. 
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Posted: 9/28/2020 8:35:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: brass is too large, maybe from out of spec chamber. Where the sizing stops is where the sizer die hits the shell holder or shell plate, it can't size all the way to the bottom of the case rim Sorry, meant roll sizer.. Never used one, but doesn't it cover the entire shell? |
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Posted: 9/28/2020 8:39:32 PM EDT
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Scrap bucket here,, found almost full box of 40 that had nice blister on case.... they didnt come from GLOCK either,, fire pin strike was round
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Posted: 9/28/2020 8:41:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm just trying to give @Laxman2809 a chance to explain what happened. This isn't the first time he sold a member scrap brass. Didn't know that. |
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Posted: 9/28/2020 8:52:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry, meant roll sizer.. Never used one, but doesn't it cover the entire shell? never used one but was curious and looks like it does. At this point I wouldn't trust the seller actually used a roll sizer on these cases. To be honest, why sell brass that's been processed anyway unless you want to cater to single stage press users. Just tumble it and sell it. Lot of useless work on a seller's part |
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Posted: 9/28/2020 9:11:10 PM EDT
[#34]
That ridge is a show stopper.
Total scrap. It can't even be fixed in my opinion. |
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Posted: 9/28/2020 9:31:10 PM EDT
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Are those the worst examples, or is the entire lot like that?
They look like full power loads from a Gen 1 Glock. Do not load them. |
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Posted: 9/28/2020 9:37:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is not roll sized brass. |
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Posted: 9/28/2020 9:58:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are those the worst examples, or is the entire lot like that? They look like full power loads from a Gen 1 Glock. Do not load them. A 40 cal in a Gen 1? |
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Posted: 9/28/2020 10:04:10 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are those the worst examples, or is the entire lot like that? They look like full power loads from a Gen 1 Glock. Do not load them. Pretty much the entire lot. |
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Posted: 9/28/2020 10:53:25 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd be ashamed to sell that as anything more than scrap. This, holy crap OP do NOT load any of that. I hope this gets resolved quickly for you! |
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Posted: 9/28/2020 11:06:51 PM EDT
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I've bought 1000 round lots of 40 S&W brass, same headstamp Winchester. Out of the 1000 rounds I've seen 75-150 cases swelled like the top cases in your picture. The swelled cases were not Glock fired and had a round firing pin indent. Don't know what guns out there that have such oversized chambers?? After sizing with a standard sizing die it does leave the ring like your cases where the sizing die stops. These cases size perfectly with a Redding GR-X push through die and are safe to shoot. Now the case at the bottom of your pic has the "guppy belly" that are definitely unsafe to reload. Scrap them. I don't like the cases that have been regularly sized that leaves the ring. The sizing die actually displaces brass on those and I wouldn't load them. My guns do not swell my reloaded cases but some guns out there do. Also 40 brass I've bought in1000 rd. lots in the past few years I have found 2-3 cases with the "guppy belly" that get scrapped. I inspect every piece of purchased once fired 40 brass. Just saying that in my experience buying once fired 40 brass that your brass is not unusual. Looks like the cases were sized in a regular die and not roll sized?
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Posted: 9/28/2020 11:28:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've bought 1000 round lots of 40 S&W brass, same headstamp Winchester. Out of the 1000 rounds I've seen 75-150 cases swelled like the top cases in your picture. The swelled cases were not Glock fired and had a round firing pin indent. Don't know what guns out there that have such oversized chambers?? After sizing with a standard sizing die it does leave the ring like your cases where the sizing die stops. These cases size perfectly with a Redding GR-X push through die and are safe to shoot. Now the case at the bottom of your pic has the "guppy belly" that are definitely unsafe to reload. Scrap them. I don't like the cases that have been regularly sized that leaves the ring. The sizing die actually displaces brass on those and I wouldn't load them. My guns do not swell my reloaded cases but some guns out there do. Also 40 brass I've bought in1000 rd. lots in the past few years I have found 2-3 cases with the "guppy belly" that get scrapped. I inspect every piece of purchased once fired 40 brass. Just saying that in my experience buying once fired 40 brass that your brass is not unusual. Looks like the cases were sized in a regular die and not roll sized? Thanks for info. Not going to mess with any of it. Waiting on sellers response for refund or usable brass. |
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Posted: 9/29/2020 12:44:24 AM EDT
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I had some cases that looked like that out of a p226 once when using Winchester 231 to make Major PF and trusting my Lyman manual.
That was 10 years ago and I still refuse to shoot the remaining rounds leftover from that misadventure 
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Posted: 9/29/2020 4:32:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A 40 cal in a Gen 1? Your correct. 40SW glocks were never made with Gen 1 frames. The first G22 and G23 have frames of Gen 2 vintage. Those cases look like they were either only part way pushed into a sizing die leaving the case only partially sized or the die is bad. No lube was used likely. According to the ad, they were roll sized then FL sized. I call BS. Here's a short video of roll sizing and there is no way those cases were roll sized. https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=roll+sizing+brass&ia=videos&iax=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DMvy2Ha1BIdY Were all the cases like that? I'd ask for a refund if it was more than just a handful like that. We shoot a lot of 40SW through G2 and G3 G23's with oem barrels and have not had cases bulge very much. We shoot full charge loads too. I always FL size first, then push through size to get the base of the case back to spec. |
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Posted: 9/29/2020 5:43:43 AM EDT
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Please keep us updated to sellers response.
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Posted: 9/29/2020 8:54:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't know that. It's in his feedback history. |
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Posted: 9/29/2020 10:08:17 AM EDT
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They don’t look like they were roll sized, more like poor set up with regular sizing die.
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Posted: 9/29/2020 10:18:54 AM EDT
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Those look horrible.
Looks to me like the sizing die was setup off axis so it's basically scraping one side of the brass and sizing it at an angle. I can't imagine how roll sizing would create that issue. |
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Posted: 9/29/2020 11:35:04 AM EDT
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I've shot 40s&w out of various platforms for 20+ years and over 45,000rds and that brass wasn't damaged by firing it, it was destroyed by processing it somehow.
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Posted: 9/29/2020 1:58:57 PM EDT
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We have a new person running brass. I have PM'd the buyer and he is getting a refund.
Honestly have no idea as I have other 40 brass that is fine and I loaded for ammo that do not look like these. Part of me thinks a 9 die was ran on the toolhead partially. |
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Posted: 9/29/2020 2:06:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe the sentence got truncated; Was told it was ready to go. Was told it was ready to go to the brass recycling station. Ready to go Ka-BOOM. I've been reloading for a Gen 2 with the original barrel 20+ years and never saw anything like that. Scrap. |
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