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Posted: 12/24/2018 6:19:45 AM EDT

Have found the following .303 Headstamps. All ammo berdan primed

British factories
/|\ = UK Government Property. Formerly the badge of the Sidney family, the broad arrow (or "Devil's Claws") symbol was appropriated by the British government to indicate the item was government issue
The 'Z' suffix Refers to graphite glazed nitro-cellulose propellant

B/|\E
Royal Ordnance Factory, Blackpole, Worcester, UK
Ball, Mk VII 1941 dated

K or KYNOCH
Kynoch & Co, Witton, Birmingham, UK.
Ball, Mk VIIZ 1918 dated
Ball Mk VII 1933 and 1937 dated
Armor Piercing, W Mk I 1940 and 1941 dated

K5
Imperial Chemical Industries Kynoch factory at Kidderminster, Worcestershire., UK
Armor Piercing, W Mk I 1942 dated

R/|\L
Royal Laboratory, Woolwich Arsenal, Kent, UK. Woolwich Arsenal, of which the Royal Laboratory was only a part, is situated in South East London on the River Thames. Arsenal est in 1670
Ball, Mk VII 1941 dated

Canadian factories
DAC
Dominion Arsenal, Quebec, Canada
Ball, Mk VII 1941 and 1942 dated

DI
Defence Industries, Verdun, Canada
Ball, Mk VII Z 1942 dated

Indian factories
K/|\F
Indian Government Ammunition Factory Kirkee (or Kirkee Arsenal), near Poona, INDIA
Ball, Mk VII 1936, 1938 and 1942

Some cases are sterile and those have copper jacketed bullets.

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Guns I get to shoot the ammo out of BREN Mk 2 LMG, Pattern 1914 (Remington produced) and a No 1 Mk III (GRI, 1945) rifles.

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Posted: 12/24/2018 6:54:50 AM EDT

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Nice find & unlike Brit squaddies you were OK to take them away with you.

Posted: 12/24/2018 7:04:27 AM EDT

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Not these. Can only take back pre 1898 black powder guns.

CD

Posted: 12/24/2018 1:57:10 PM EDT

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CD

Nice for sharing.. Hows shooting the Bren ? accuracy and kick ?

Posted: 12/24/2018 2:39:02 PM EDT

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Not these. Can only take back pre 1898 black powder guns.

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Ridiculous rule made by political hacks, may fuck be upon them....

But thanks for showing, so very cool. Too bad you cannot bring the rifles home and save them...and very cool ammo too....love to try out the Bren, I have an Inglis dummy, as close as I will get....

Merry Christmas, and thanks for doing what you do.

Posted: 12/24/2018 2:48:27 PM EDT

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@Combat_Diver

Where did y'all find these? The locals we worked with down by Spin Boldak had a few, buddy up north picked up a M91/30 sniper in a opium field.

Posted: 12/24/2018 3:18:05 PM EDT

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Where did y'all find these? The locals we worked with down by Spin Boldak had a few, buddy up north picked up a M91/30 sniper in a opium field.

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ODA's pick them up.

CD

Posted: 12/24/2018 3:19:07 PM EDT

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Nice for sharing.. Hows shooting the Bren ? accuracy and kick ?

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Only fired it at 25m so far but recoil is mild.

CD

Posted: 12/24/2018 8:07:34 PM EDT

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nice.. thanks for sharing

Have a merry xmas..

stay safe..

Posted: 12/26/2018 10:44:39 AM EDT

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There was a P14 made by Remington hanging on one of our ready room walls when I was there earlier this year. A couple guys wanted to try and bring it back but "Pre-1899 only" doesn't register with a lot of people.

Posted: 12/27/2018 1:04:07 PM EDT

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Wen I was there in 08 on Phoenix I bought up a bunch of martini lebel and snider rifles I sent home. Fun to shoot but my original supply of Jamison brass has been lost to attrition split and burn throughs and finding new brass is going to cost dearly, with the only readily available option Australian Bertram at about $125 a box for brass.
When I was there the SF guys across the compound had a rather nice Lewis but not enough ammo for shooting at the time.

Posted: 12/27/2018 2:58:10 PM EDT

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They change the rules again? In 13 the rules were any pre-1899, ie, legal antiques, non-Title 1 firearm. That would include most Long Lees and a lot of small-ring Mausers.

Posted: 12/27/2018 10:19:46 PM EDT

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They change the rules again? In 13 the rules were any pre-1899, ie, legal antiques, non-Title 1 firearm. That would include most Long Lees and a lot of small-ring Mausers.

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Don't think it has changed, just how the current JAG/Customs read the regs. Haven't made it to BAF to talk to the current JAG.

CD

Posted: 12/28/2018 12:46:02 AM EDT

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Quoted: Don't think it has changed, just how the current JAG/Customs read the regs. Haven't made it to BAF to talk to the current JAG.

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For starters, it's definitely pre-1899, unless you're shipping guns to Canada, and smokeless cartridge receivers manufactured before 1 Jan 1899 are not Title 1 firearms and you can drop them in the mail. So if they're saying black powder only, they're going off what someone told them, not what the actual Customs regulations say.

Posted: 2/25/2019 10:46:10 AM EDT

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Received a second P14 Remington made. SN 6000 from the other. Also received couple Khyber Pass "GRI" SMLEs.

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Posted: 2/25/2019 9:32:55 PM EDT

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Nice...

What % are you seeing real vs Khyber pass guns ?

Posted: 2/26/2019 12:23:29 AM EDT

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What % are you seeing real vs Khyber pass guns ?

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I'll saw 50%. Bazaar had a SMLE that was dated 1897. However, that model didn't come out until 1907, hence fake.

CD

Posted: 2/26/2019 1:14:46 AM EDT

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Quoted: I'll saw 50%. Bazaar had a SMLE that was dated 1897. However, that model didn't come out until 1907, hence fake.

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Probably. But some of the Long Lees were rebarreled from Metford to Enfield rifling, and then cut down into SMLEs, w/ the original receiver date.

I'd buy it, ship it home, and never, ever shoot it.

Posted: 2/26/2019 10:45:31 AM EDT

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interesting 50% I would have expected 75% to 90%, but than again the Brits held that area for a very long time causing a lot of the issues with the lines they drew on a map...

Posted: 2/28/2019 2:43:01 AM EDT

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Family portrait

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Posted: 2/28/2019 8:25:29 AM EDT

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Range day with one of the Khyber Pass SMLEs and ammo from 1936-41. Need to work on the follower on the mag as its sticking.

Khyber Pass SMLE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCWPmdbHZ2o

CD

Posted: 2/28/2019 8:39:10 AM EDT

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They change the rules again? In 13 the rules were any pre-1899, ie, legal antiques, non-Title 1 firearm. That would include most Long Lees and a lot of small-ring Mausers.

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There were some "old looking" wood stocked guns that were no where near 1898 that slipped through that process through ignorance or willful-pretend ignorance.

Posted: 2/28/2019 8:40:28 AM EDT

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I'll saw 50%. Bazaar had a SMLE that was dated 1897. However, that model didn't come out until 1907, hence fake.

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Or deliberately restamped to help you dodge customs.

Posted: 2/28/2019 10:19:28 AM EDT

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Cool video thanks for sharing

Posted: 2/28/2019 10:34:11 AM EDT

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Or deliberately restamped to help you dodge customs.

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Is that an extra charge?

Posted: 3/4/2019 8:56:08 PM EDT

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Probably. But some of the Long Lees were rebarreled from Metford to Enfield rifling, and then cut down into SMLEs, w/ the original receiver date.

I'd buy it, ship it home, and never, ever shoot it.

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Yep. I have an SMLE with a 1901 date. It's a legit British rifle (SMLE Cond Mk. IV).

Posted: 3/27/2019 6:36:36 AM EDT

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Group photo of the best of the 8 .303 rifles on hand. Finally understanding British martial rifles.

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SMLE Enfield made in 1914
No. 1 Mk III GRI (Pakistan) made in 1945. SMLE was renamed to No. 1 Mk III in 1926.
Pattern 14 made by Remington in 1916. Renamed the No. 3 rifle in 1926. (The missing No. 2 was a .22LR training rifle)
No. 4 Mk I made by Long Branch in Canada in 1944
No. 5 Mk I dated 1949 by production was only 44-47'. This is a Khyber Pass gun.

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Posted: 3/27/2019 8:41:14 AM EDT

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Group photo of the best of the 8 .303 rifles on hand. Finally understanding British martial rifles.

Top-Down
SMLE Enfield made in 1914
No. 1 Mk III GRI (Pakistan) made in 1945. SMLE was renamed to No. 1 Mk III in 1926.
Pattern 14 made by Remington in 1916. Renamed the No. 3 rifle in 1926. (The missing No. 2 was a .22LR training rifle)
No. 4 Mk I made by Long Branch in Canada in 1944
No. 5 Mk I dated 1949 by production was only 44-47'. This is a Khyber Pass gun.

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Neat KP No. 5. I'm not sure why you rarely see them make the No. 4 and No. 5 rifles; maybe they are more prevalent over there?

The Enfield line actually goes up to No. 9 - though everything after the No. 6 are .22 caliber trainers.

Posted: 3/27/2019 8:53:03 AM EDT

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Neat KP No. 5. I'm not sure why you rarely see them make the No. 4 and No. 5 rifles; maybe they are more prevalent over there?

The Enfield line actually goes up to No. 9 - though everything after the No. 6 are .22 caliber trainers.

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Most KP copies that I see are SMLEs/No.1 Mk IIIs.

CD

Posted: 3/27/2019 6:27:43 PM EDT

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How is the steel in the KP copies? Safe to shoot or pot metal?

Posted: 3/28/2019 12:08:42 AM EDT

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On KP Enfields they actually get used by the locals. Steel is good but parts won't interchange as all hand made.

CD

Posted: 4/2/2019 8:16:16 AM EDT

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Cool thread on some neat rifles.

Posted: 4/7/2019 4:34:10 PM EDT

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Damn, I'll bet those rifles have some stories in them. If only they could talk...

Thanks for sharing. Very cool

Posted: 4/7/2019 5:52:41 PM EDT

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Yes, this. Awsome post. I love the British pattern rifles.

Posted: 4/10/2019 2:11:32 PM EDT

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The sterile ammo is most likely Pakistani Ordnance Factory MkVII ball. I have a bunch of sterile Paki ammo.

Posted: 4/11/2019 5:29:21 AM EDT

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Took some soldiers out to shot these old rifles today. SMLE (Enfield 1914), P14* (Remington 1917) and No.4 MkI* (Longbranch 1944).

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Out of 12 rounds, 6 had sterile head stamps other 6 had this pattern around it.

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Out of those 6, 3 were misfires and struck 2 more times for no ignition. Pulled the bullets and powder was the old stick cordite.

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CD

Posted: 4/11/2019 8:54:11 AM EDT

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Sterilised old Brit ammo?

Posted: 4/28/2019 4:08:11 PM EDT

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Soooo what are the chances you can mail out a SMLE magazine?????

Posted: 4/28/2019 10:01:16 PM EDT

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Low.

Posted: 4/29/2019 12:19:34 AM EDT

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Out of seven rifles, only have one mag. And I believe that is a locally made one.

CD

Posted: 5/12/2019 3:44:57 PM EDT

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Since I couldn't bring the rifle back, I brought back the cool leather wrap.

Posted: 5/13/2019 12:11:29 AM EDT

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Since I couldn't bring the rifle back, I brought back the cool leather wrap.

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Looks like a well cared for SMLE.

CD

Posted: 5/13/2019 11:30:12 AM EDT

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I'm a little surprised there are no Iraqi headstamps mixed in there.

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