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Posted: 1/3/2021 5:01:38 PM EDT
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Sweet!
I was hoping to find a optic bashing thread! |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 5:08:43 PM EDT
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I have a couple Nikon FX1000s and I'm quite impressed with them.
The AR mount I like is the Badger Ordnance 306-96. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 5:10:55 PM EDT
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I’ll be the first to throw out the standard questions. What is your intended use for this optic? Shooting for fun at the range? Home defense? Coyotes on a ranch? What range(s) do you intend to use it for? Under 50 meters to protect your suburban home? Beyond 300 meters for precision target shooting? 50-200 meters for dealing with those coyotes that are terrorizing your goats in all sorts of weather? Help us help you.
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Posted: 1/3/2021 5:12:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a couple Nikon FX1000s and I'm quite impressed with them. The AR mount I like is the Badger Ordnance 306-96. They are nice, I have one, but Nikon discontinued them all. OP, what are you looking to do with your rifle? |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 5:19:39 PM EDT
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Check out Athlon, Midas series. Great glass for the $$$
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Posted: 1/3/2021 5:50:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ll be the first to throw out the standard questions. What is your intended use for this optic? Shooting for fun at the range? Home defense? Coyotes on a ranch? What range(s) do you intend to use it for? Under 50 meters to protect your suburban home? Beyond 300 meters for precision target shooting? 50-200 meters for dealing with those coyotes that are terrorizing your goats in all sorts of weather? Help us help you. i have two other rifles, one with vortex red dot, and another vortex 1x. My use for this rifle will be everything (range and shtf) so close quarters and 300m-ish+. that is why i was thinking a 1-6x . A buddy recommended me this optic: https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1019639040 quite pricy though |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 6:37:36 PM EDT
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Your buddy’s recommendation is spot on. The Razor HD is a really solid optic. The non-E models can be had for a better price on the used market. I have the Gen II-E and I love it aside from the weight so I’d recommend the E model if you can swing it in your budget.
If the Razor is too pricey then the Viper PST 1-6 will be a solid optic as well. I’ve become a big fanboy of Vortex as of late so I’m sure others can chime in with similar suggestions to these. ETA: the Trijicon Credo/Accupower is a good option as well. The Steiner P4Xi is another option but it’s debatable if it’s worth it after the price increase. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 6:45:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your buddy’s recommendation is spot on. The Razor HD is a really solid optic. The non-E models can be had for a better price on the used market. I have the Gen II-E and I love it aside from the weight so I’d recommend the E model if you can swing it in your budget. If the Razor is too pricey then the Viper PST 1-6 will be a solid optic as well. I’ve become a big fanboy of Vortex as of late so I’m sure others can chime in with similar suggestions to these. ETA: the Trijicon Credo/Accupower is another good option as well. i was looking at the geissele 30mm mounts. cant seem to find the 1.93s. i think i d do better with some height. which mount do you run? |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 6:53:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: i was looking at the geissele 30mm mounts. cant seem to find the 1.93s. i think i d do better with some height. which mount do you run? I have mine in a Badger C1 1.93 I prefer the 1.93 and Badger, Geissele, Scalarworks, and LaRue are good options for those.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 10:36:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: i have two other rifles, one with vortex red dot, and another vortex 1x. My use for this rifle will be everything (range and shtf) so close quarters and 300m-ish+. that is why i was thinking a 1-6x . A buddy recommended me this optic: https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1019639040 quite pricy though |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 11:17:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have mine in a Badger C1 1.93 I prefer the 1.93 and Badger, Geissele, Scalarworks, and LaRue are good options for those. http.Com/media/mediaFiles/452430/6BE62D87-6924-4D35-8FE9-E595B40675DE_jpe-1762447.JPG very nice!, cannot find the badger c1 1.93 in stock anywhere either, any idea? |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 11:34:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Very pricey but they work so well there has been Delta Force guys that have been photoed with them on their weapons in Afghanistan. Also probably one of the top ten most recommended 1-6x optics in that price range. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: i have two other rifles, one with vortex red dot, and another vortex 1x. My use for this rifle will be everything (range and shtf) so close quarters and 300m-ish+. that is why i was thinking a 1-6x . A buddy recommended me this optic: https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1019639040 quite pricy though I bought one of the first Razors, every other LPVO gets compared to the Razor and they all come up short. I have it on my 3 gun rifle and never even think of changing it. Both the Razor I spent a lot of money buy the ‘latest and greatest’ and never being happy. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 11:37:44 PM EDT
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If $1K is the top end, all in I'd say Vortex PST II 1-6x24 w/ Badger or Geissele mount and throw lever / caps. I have one and have used the heck out of it on my SCAR 16/17 and ARs. No issues and for the cost for a Razor II, I don't see the juice being worth the squeeze if you aren't on duty or competing professionally or just have the cash. I owned a RII briefly and returned it for an NX-8, I was that unimpressed with what it didn't bring over the PST II.
Accupowers / Credos are ok but for the price, the PST II is hard to beat. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 11:46:45 PM EDT
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You can get into a used VX-6 or VX-5HD for ~$600-750... much lighter than most others, shake awake, true 1X, and crisp glass (especially the HD's). If you get the firedot type reticles they are very daylight bright (red dot bright) where as the full illuminated BDC reticles are merely "daylight noticeable".
IMO, either would be preferable to a PST gen 1 or 2 (not to say the PST is a bad scope). The only thing I like on the gen 2 PST better is the illumination dial; Leopold's shake awake is nice but cycling through brightness with a single push button and then having to hold down until it turns off is a bit cumbersome. Numbered dial is just better. However, Leupold's button is not a deal breaker and it's weight/clarity advantage over the PSTII makes the choice easy for me. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 11:56:16 PM EDT
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Quoted: very nice!, cannot find the badger c1 1.93 in stock anywhere either, any idea? I would just lurk on the EE until one of those pop up. 1.93 is popular so they’ll be a tough find. Quoted: I bought one of the first Razors, every other LPVO gets compared to the Razor and they all come up short. I have it on my 3 gun rifle and never even think of changing it. Both the Razor I spent a lot of money buy the ‘latest and greatest’ and never being happy. It was definitely a buy once cry once situation for me. Glad I didn’t waste my time buying another mid-range lpvo and just went for the Razor. I’d be happy with the Viper PST as well if budget is just completely strict. |
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Posted: 1/4/2021 1:34:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would just lurk on the EE until one of those pop up. 1.93 is popular so they’ll be a tough find. It was definitely a buy once cry once situation for me. Glad I didn’t waste my time buying another mid-range lpvo and just went for the Razor. I’d be happy with the Viper PST as well if budget is just completely strict. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: very nice!, cannot find the badger c1 1.93 in stock anywhere either, any idea? I would just lurk on the EE until one of those pop up. 1.93 is popular so they’ll be a tough find. Quoted: I bought one of the first Razors, every other LPVO gets compared to the Razor and they all come up short. I have it on my 3 gun rifle and never even think of changing it. Both the Razor I spent a lot of money buy the ‘latest and greatest’ and never being happy. It was definitely a buy once cry once situation for me. Glad I didn’t waste my time buying another mid-range lpvo and just went for the Razor. I’d be happy with the Viper PST as well if budget is just completely strict. I was lucky a friend of mine had one of the beta testing Razors, he let me and quite a few others shoot his rifle to get opinions. I asked if he could get me one and I got one out of the first batch sold. At least I didn’t burn anymore money. I have some other LPVO’s and the ones I have are not bad, but just not on pare with the Razor, they also were quite a bit cheaper. |
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Posted: 1/4/2021 5:13:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can get into a used VX-6 or VX-5HD for ~$600-750... much lighter than most others, shake awake, true 1X, and crisp glass (especially the HD's). If you get the firedot type reticles they are very daylight bright (red dot bright) where as the full illuminated BDC reticles are merely "daylight noticeable". IMO, either would be preferable to a PST gen 1 or 2 (not to say the PST is a bad scope). The only thing I like on the gen 2 PST better is the illumination dial; Leopold's shake awake is nice but cycling through brightness with a single push button and then having to hold down until it turns off is a bit cumbersome. Numbered dial is just better. However, Leupold's button is not a deal breaker and it's weight/clarity advantage over the PSTII makes the choice easy for me. |
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Posted: 1/4/2021 10:37:50 PM EDT
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Yeah. Duplex sucks. I picked up a VX-6 here for $750 with the BDC reticle this past fall. Fantastic scope.
VX-6 is ONLY going to be used - discontinued. They only make the VX-6HD and VX-5HD now. The 6HD is in the Razor price race range... which has a much better reticle. If weight isn't critical, Razors ar ethe way to go over the VX-6 |
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Posted: 1/5/2021 10:26:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: i have two other rifles, one with vortex red dot, and another vortex 1x. My use for this rifle will be everything (range and shtf) so close quarters and 300m-ish+. that is why i was thinking a 1-6x . A buddy recommended me this optic: https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1019639040 quite pricy though Fantastic optic, but I am not a fan of the vortex reticle without illumination. Hard AF to pick up on 1x. If I'm spending a mortgage payment on glass, I want it to be close to perfect. |
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Posted: 1/5/2021 10:46:53 AM EDT
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Given your budget, I would look at the Bushnell SMRS II 1-6.5x on clearance at eurooptic. They are LOW built for Bushnell in Japan.
I have one on my SCAR-H.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/5/2021 10:49:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fantastic optic, but I am not a fan of the vortex reticle without illumination. Hard AF to pick up on 1x. If I'm spending a mortgage payment on glass, I want it to be close to perfect. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: i have two other rifles, one with vortex red dot, and another vortex 1x. My use for this rifle will be everything (range and shtf) so close quarters and 300m-ish+. that is why i was thinking a 1-6x . A buddy recommended me this optic: https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1019639040 quite pricy though Fantastic optic, but I am not a fan of the vortex reticle without illumination. Hard AF to pick up on 1x. If I'm spending a mortgage payment on glass, I want it to be close to perfect. The Razor dot is day light bright even at only 6-7. Most other LPVO scopes need to be at the maximum to get close to day light bright. You won’t find a better scope until you hit about $2,000 |
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Posted: 1/5/2021 12:31:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Given your budget, I would look at the Bushnell SMRS II 1-6.5x on clearance at eurooptic. They are LOW built for Bushnell in Japan. I have one on my SCAR-H. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/57761/Resized_20201227_175757_jpeg-1764990.JPG |
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Posted: 1/5/2021 4:15:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Razor dot is day light bright even at only 6-7. Most other LPVO scopes need to be at the maximum to get close to day light bright. You won’t find a better scope until you hit about $2,000 This. It’s almost too bright sometimes. On setting 1 it’s brighter than some of the cheaper magnified optics I’ve tried. I think the reticle is super easy to pick up even without illumination. Duplex brings your eye to the center and the holdovers don’t clutter it up like some mil-dot or Christmas tree reticles do. |
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Posted: 1/5/2021 4:26:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:Thats a great option. It seems like not many people mention these and they dont sell well (Eurooptic has these for under $700 right now) probably because most people recommend the Razor for the $1200 price tag. Are these daylight bright? IMO they are daylight bright, but they aren't as bright as a Razor. If it was $1200, I would get the razor. For $500 to $600 less, they're a good option. |
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Posted: 1/5/2021 4:32:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IMO they are daylight bright, but they aren't as bright as a Razor. If it was $1200, I would get the razor. For $500 to $600 less, they're a good option. |
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Posted: 1/5/2021 4:34:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Based upon the specs I saw at optics planet maybe apart from brightness and a slightly smaller FOV (going off of memory of Razor specs) than it definitely would be worth $650. |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 1:49:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've got three now. Thinking about getting a fourth. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Based upon the specs I saw at optics planet maybe apart from brightness and a slightly smaller FOV (going off of memory of Razor specs) than it definitely would be worth $650. Because of you guys, I ordered one last night.  I think that they were $650 a couple of weeks ago, but it was $600 yesterday. My credit card hates me, but I had to get a scope sooner or later.
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Posted: 1/6/2021 11:05:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Razor dot is day light bright even at only 6-7. Most other LPVO scopes need to be at the maximum to get close to day light bright. You won’t find a better scope until you hit about $2,000 But I wasn't talking about illumination? I was talking about the ability to pick up the reticle if the batteries dead. For me it's tougher on the Razors. 1-6 is OK but not great, the 1-10 is less than ideal. JMO. |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 11:52:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because of you guys, I ordered one last night. I think that they were $650 a couple of weeks ago, but it was $600 yesterday. My credit card hates me, but I had to get a scope sooner or later. Attached File |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 10:07:26 AM EDT
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What are the thoughts on Steiner PXI4
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Posted: 1/7/2021 10:42:57 AM EDT
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Lupine. Definitely Lupine.
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Posted: 1/7/2021 10:52:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What are the thoughts on Steiner PXI4 For 2017 Black Friday prices? Hell yes. In today's market? Meh, not as much. I would be looking at the Viper 1-6 or the Delta Stryker 1-6. I have the P4Xi in an ADM Recon-H mount. The weight/balance is not bad at all, but of course I don't really want more. So, the difference in weight between the Viper and the P4Xi could be mitigated some with the mount choice for that budget. The Delta is more elusive and mysterious, but looks very promising. Detailed and direct comparison between the Viper and Razor, with plenty of POV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-wmvIglzNs Reticle POV and commentary of the Delta Stryker by DLO/Ilya: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRAfNSnGt4E |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 11:04:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For 2017 Black Friday prices? Hell yes. In today's market? Meh, not as much. I would be looking at the Viper 1-6 or the Delta Stryker 1-6. I have the P4Xi in an ADM Recon-H mount. The weight/balance is not bad at all, but of course I don't really want more. So, the difference in weight between the Viper and the P4Xi could be mitigated some with the mount choice for that budget. The Delta is more elusive and mysterious, but looks very promising. Detailed and direct comparison between the Viper and Razor, with plenty of POV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-wmvIglzNs Reticle POV and commentary of the Delta Stryker by DLO/Ilya: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRAfNSnGt4E I have a Viper 1-6. I like it, but it is a heavy beast |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 11:08:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What are the thoughts on Steiner PXI4 When they were under $500 they were a great bargain. The glass is good, I really like the reticle. At $799 that are selling for now, there are a lot of good scopes in close to that price, the Razor, Trijicon plus a few others should be looked at first. Now if you can find a used one with a good mount for under $600 that would be a decent deal. |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 11:13:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When they were under $500 they were a great bargain. The glass is good, I really like the reticle. At $799 that are selling for now, there are a lot of good scopes in close to that price, the Razor, Trijicon plus a few others should be looked at first. Now if you can find a used one with a good mount for under $600 that would be a decent deal. I found one for $600 new, but the delta hornet and Primary Arms look appealing. I have an NX8 and other nice optics, and I am looking for a budget $600 or less optic |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 11:20:53 AM EDT
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Atibal X FFP 1-10
Mil reticle I have a LaRue Mount on mine. |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 11:27:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I found one for $600 new, but the delta hornet and Primary Arms look appealing. I have an NX8 and other nice optics, and I am looking for a budget $600 or less optic Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: When they were under $500 they were a great bargain. The glass is good, I really like the reticle. At $799 that are selling for now, there are a lot of good scopes in close to that price, the Razor, Trijicon plus a few others should be looked at first. Now if you can find a used one with a good mount for under $600 that would be a decent deal. I found one for $600 new, but the delta hornet and Primary Arms look appealing. I have an NX8 and other nice optics, and I am looking for a budget $600 or less optic If you can get a new one for $600 in your hand, buy it. Still not a bad optic at that price. |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 11:34:31 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/7/2021 11:34:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Atibal X FFP 1-10 Mil reticle I have a LaRue Mount on mine. I had an Atibal fail miserably |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 11:45:01 AM EDT
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I really like the Bushnell 1-6.5 but at its msrp price point, I'm sure the razor2 is better. There is a decent utube video comparing high end lpvo including the razor.
This is in order of my preference which not so coincidentally, is also the order of price I paid ($200-600). SMRS2 1-6.5 SWFA HD 1-6 Weaver tac 1-5 XTR14 Tac30 Burris rt6 would be my next choice @ around $300 and pst2, xtr2, p4x around $600. |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 10:19:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you get the black one? I have two FDE and one in black. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/57761/Resized_20210105_214440_jpeg-1767928.JPG Yes. I like capped turrets better, but not the FDE color or the extra $100. Correction - extra $130. They just dropped the price today.  That's okay. It's getting here 3 days earlier than if I would have ordered it today, and my price was still good.I still have to get a mount and am open to suggestions (would like to stay under $150, but can be persuaded to go a little higher). |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 10:37:44 PM EDT
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I just ordered another black one after the price drop today.
I may grab one of the Warne mounts from Joeboboutfitters.com for $80. |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 10:51:50 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just ordered another black one after the price drop today. I may grab one of the Warne mounts from Joeboboutfitters.com for $80. LOL. I have Warne mounts on 3 rifles, like them and they are on my list. It also helps that they're made in the USA. PS - knowing that you have some other "decent" stuff and have a few of these scopes helped me lighten my wallet. PPS - I'll check Joebob's. He's in a good part of the country, too. Thanks. |
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Posted: 1/9/2021 12:45:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I really like the Bushnell 1-6.5 but at its msrp price point, I'm sure the razor2 is better. There is a decent utube video comparing high end lpvo including the razor. This is in order of my preference which not so coincidentally, is also the order of price I paid ($200-600). SMRS2 1-6.5 SWFA HD 1-6 Weaver tac 1-5 XTR14 Tac30 Burris rt6 would be my next choice @ around $300 and pst2, xtr2, p4x around $600. You guys sold me on it |
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Posted: 1/9/2021 10:43:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You guys sold me on it I may have to order a 5th. |
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Posted: 1/9/2021 11:41:40 PM EDT
[#46]
I ordered the $80 Warne from Joe Bob today. I already have that mount on another rifle, so I knew it was decent. Thanks for letting me know about that deal, Jaqufrost.
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Posted: 1/9/2021 11:55:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I ordered the $80 Warne from Joe Bob today. I already have that mount on another rifle, so I knew it was decent. Thanks for letting me know about that deal, Jaqufrost.  |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 10:35:00 AM EDT
[#48]
One review says that the FDE version has better glass. True?
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Posted: 1/10/2021 10:36:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One review says that the FDE version has better glass. True? |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 1:24:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I used the Bushnell SMRS II right beside my PST today and much prefer the glass and eye box of the SMRS II. I may have to order a 5th. I have the SMRS II Pro and was considering a PST II, so if you're talking PST Gen II (hoped illumination on it would suit me better) I may want to skip it. Also have you weighed the black and the pro SMRS? I see a 5 ounce difference listed at Eurooptic. |
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