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Posted: 2/24/2021 10:41:12 PM EDT
SGammo has winchester 64gr Silvertip 223 ammo in stock so I took one for the team and bought 2 boxes of 20 at IIRC 1.65 a round, so not cheap, and more than im generally willing to pay for untested ammo, and Winchester ammo in general. (I've found the qc on winchester ammo to be atrocious). But it actually seemed interesting. It seems like a nickel jacketed deer season XP, it has the same (at least to my eye) construction as the xp bullet, with the same massive polymer tip. I've seen rather impressive results on game with that bullet and among curious about its performance in gel. It seems like there's nothing out there about this ammo, so I'd like to know if anyone here has any experience with it. I might have to gel test it myself, and was planning on an accuracy test. If no one else has any info on it I'd happily test it myself and post results here, once I get my rifle back from the smith. At least the xp bullet has seemed to perform similar to the 77gr TMK, with maybe slightly more expansion but less fragmentation with slightly more penetration. Overall could be a good defensive round
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I'll try and do a velocity test with a 14.5 and 20" barrel. I'll probably just do the gel test with the 14.5. I'll do a 10rd accuracy test with the 20" and with the 14.5, and maybe in a 16.5 inch AK cause why not lol. I'll be using organic vyse gel for the test so I'll probably only test the 14.5. I'll trying be as molon-esque in presenting my data, altho it may be a while because I'm currently away from home for a while
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Winchester Silvertips with the black lubalox coating and light grey plastic tip are made by Nosler and perform EXTREMELY well. Not sure about any nickel-plated stuff.
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Quoted: Winchester Silvertips with the black lubalox coating and light grey plastic tip are made by Nosler and perform EXTREMELY well. Not sure about any nickel-plated stuff. View Quote Attached File Can confirm. Excellent bullet, produces fantastic results |
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Always wondered about these. Don’t know much about them but they look like they’d perform pretty gnarly.
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I'm not talking about the combined technologies ballistic Silvertip, that bullet has been around for ages and has been tested, and in most cases has been demonstrated to be a terrible self defense choice. Its a 55gr ballistic tip, made for varmints like coyotes. What I'm talking about is the new (new for 2021 I believe) Silvertip defense load. Its a 64 gr bullet that appears to be the same as the deer season xp, which is likely a much better bullet for defensive purposes
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No, sorry. I'm currently away for work and may not be home for another month.
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Quoted: I'll try and do a velocity test with a 14.5 and 20" barrel. I'll probably just do the gel test with the 14.5. I'll do a 10rd accuracy test with the 20" and with the 14.5, and maybe in a 16.5 inch AK cause why not lol. I'll be using organic vyse gel for the test so I'll probably only test the 14.5. I'll trying be as molon-esque in presenting my data, altho it may be a while because I'm currently away from home for a while View Quote I look forward to seeing your results! |
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Molon, have you done a write up, or are planning on testing for this load? It would be interesting to see your accuracy results in comparison to mine, and it is always a pleasure to rad one of your posts, you are much more formal and eloquent than I
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In for the report as well. Just picked up 2 boxes yesterday myself with no chance for shooting on the herizon as well.
Thnx in advance, looking forward to it. |
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Anyone want to speculate as to how closely related this bullet is to the Winc. 64gr Deer Season XP ?
https://winchester.com/Products/Ammunition/Rifle/Deer-Season-XP/X223DS |
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Quoted: Anyone want to speculate as to how closely related this bullet is to the Winc. 64gr Deer Season XP ? https://winchester.com/Products/Ammunition/Rifle/Deer-Season-XP/X223DS View Quote The SilverTip load is nickel plated. Everyone on the Internet knows that the instant that nickel hits the bloodstream of the target it's game over, man. Sheesh. Also, since the tip of the SilverTip load is not made from a composite of tungsten and polycarbonated fibers like XM875 the SilverTip load will probably not do as well against blind barriers. .... |
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Quoted: The SilverTip load is nickel plated. Everyone on the Internet knows that the instant that nickel hits the bloodstream of the target it's game over, man. Sheesh. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28568/game_over_man-1891762.jpg Also, since the tip of the SilverTip load is not made from a composite of tungsten and polycarbonated fibers like XM875 the SilverTip load will probably not do as well against blind barriers. .... View Quote Truly made me LOL ! Game Over !! I even heard it in his voice. |
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I was just talking to my LEO buddy this morning about Winchester Silvertips. They are his department's issue ammunition for their patrol rifles. He said they can't get them anymore, that they were discontinued. I guess he was talking about an earlier version. As a side note, his department is having a very hard time getting any 9mm or .223 ammunition, to the point that most training has been suspended.
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According to the Winchester site the Silvertip is rated at a muzzle velocity of 2700 fps from a 16" barrel.
The Deer Season XP is rated at 3020 fps muzzle velocity. I can't seem to find barrel length information on this round but it does mention a 1:7 to 1:9 twist intended use. One online retailer has both in stock with a difference of .05 cpr between the two. The XP being $1.70 per round versus Silvertip at $1.65 per round for boxes of 20. |
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Quoted: According to the Winchester site the Silvertip is rated at a muzzle velocity of 2700 fps from a 16" barrel. The Deer Season XP is rated at 3020 fps muzzle velocity. I can't seem to find barrel length information on this round but it does mention a 1:7 to 1:9 twist intended use. One online retailer has both in stock with a difference of .05 cpr between the two. The XP being $1.70 per round versus Silvertip at $1.65 per round for boxes of 20. View Quote The silver tip is from a 16" barrel, the deer season xp is likely a 20 or 24" barrel I should be able to go out and get gel, velocity, and accuracy tomorrow, weather allowing |
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Quoted: The silver tip is from a 16" barrel, the deer season xp is likely a 20 or 24" barrel I should be able to go out and get gel, velocity, and accuracy tomorrow, weather allowing View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: According to the Winchester site the Silvertip is rated at a muzzle velocity of 2700 fps from a 16" barrel. The Deer Season XP is rated at 3020 fps muzzle velocity. I can't seem to find barrel length information on this round but it does mention a 1:7 to 1:9 twist intended use. One online retailer has both in stock with a difference of .05 cpr between the two. The XP being $1.70 per round versus Silvertip at $1.65 per round for boxes of 20. The silver tip is from a 16" barrel, the deer season xp is likely a 20 or 24" barrel I should be able to go out and get gel, velocity, and accuracy tomorrow, weather allowing Same issue with Federal Fusion MSR and just Fusion, the MSR if measured from a 16" barrel, while the regular stuff is measured from a (I believe) 24" barrel. Looking forward to the tests! |
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I'm not sure why the image links don't work, I have honestly never posted images before and I thought photobucket was GTG. aIf someone can help me post images that would be great, if not the images can all be found in the photobucket link at the bottom of my post
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Thanks for posting! I've had my eye on this load for a while but like many, I had concerns about using Iight and midweight ballistic tipped rounds for defense. (77 grain TMKs are a different animal).
How deep was the penetration in your gel test? Didn't see that listed and I know that's typically the main concern with the BT rounds |
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No worries! Thats excellent performance from a bullet of that type. Thanks again for putting in the time and getting some first impressions out there. Been googling for months and coming up empty on this load.
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This was my rifle duty round for a few years. Then the Dept switched to a Speer round. Rumor is we could not buy enough rounds so we switched to Speer, which seems to be just as hard to find.
I don't have any terminal ballistics for you, but this round seemed accurate enough for a patrol rifle in 20" and 16" variety, "minute of man" holes in paper kinda of round. |
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The Winchester site has I think four different 64 grain loads.....
the old power point a lead free hollow point a lead core hollow point and the polymer tip defense/ cxp silvertip bullet.(5 if you think they are actually different, they used to sell the power point in a LE ammo box too.) |
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I chrono'd some of Molons same mentioned Winc. 64gr BSB ammo way back when... it was full 5.56 speeds.
Winc. 64gr BSB 5.56......WCC 13 5.56MM...............16" V7 barrel...Av 2883... ES 62................20" PSA CHF SS....Av 2978....ES 25............ Very good accuracy and speed FWIW... the .223 Nosler 64gr BSB load was considerably slower. But accurate out of my barrels. Nosler 64gr BSB .223 .....NOSLER 223 REM..................Av. 2511, ES 58...........................Av. 2560, ES 44.............Not super fast, "A" grade for accuracy. @MfK .... thank you for sharing your results ! The load looks promising ! |
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