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Posted: 4/18/2022 10:38:21 AM EDT
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I like a shorter VFG to use more as a hand stop to make a hybrid angled/C-clamp type grip. I find it's a more comfortable hand position for me than the flat horizontal grip, and it serves as a reference point for a good repeatable grip position on the rail for muscle memory in activating light/laser buttons. Then in some cases the VFG can also be used as a bracing tool against a barricade of edge of a wall for added stability if you need it.
I almost never use one in the classic "joystick" hold, but historically that was common more on shorter guns that might not have enough length up front for a traditional grip. Eventually some people decided it felt more comfortable (less twisting the wrist) and started putting them on all sorts of long guns. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 10:40:53 AM EDT
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Seemed easier to manipulate the rifle with a VFG when loaded up and wearing a plate carrier with a bunch of stuff hanging on it. Probably a high speed tactical reason, but I was a HM and likely missed that lesson.
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Posted: 4/18/2022 10:42:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I like a shorter VFG to use more as a hand stop to make a hybrid angled/C-clamp type grip. I find it's a more comfortable hand position for me than the flat horizontal grip, and it serves as a reference point for a good repeatable grip position on the rail for muscle memory in activating light/laser buttons. Then in some cases the VFG can also be used as a bracing tool against a barricade of edge of a wall for added stability if you need it. I almost never use one in the classic "joystick" hold, but historically that was common more on shorter guns that might not have enough length up front for a traditional grip. Eventually some people decided it felt more comfortable (less twisting the wrist) and started putting them on all sorts of long guns. That's my use on a couple rifles. I always understood that, and you can see it, 14.5" mil rifles get crowded on the handguard pretty quick with PEQ's, lights, and all that stuff. VFG is the best way to get a hold of her. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 10:47:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's my use on a couple rifles. I always understood that, and you can see it, 14.5" mil rifles get crowded on the handguard pretty quick with PEQ's, lights, and all that stuff. VFG is the best way to get a hold of her. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I like a shorter VFG to use more as a hand stop to make a hybrid angled/C-clamp type grip. I find it's a more comfortable hand position for me than the flat horizontal grip, and it serves as a reference point for a good repeatable grip position on the rail for muscle memory in activating light/laser buttons. Then in some cases the VFG can also be used as a bracing tool against a barricade of edge of a wall for added stability if you need it. I almost never use one in the classic "joystick" hold, but historically that was common more on shorter guns that might not have enough length up front for a traditional grip. Eventually some people decided it felt more comfortable (less twisting the wrist) and started putting them on all sorts of long guns. That's my use on a couple rifles. I always understood that, and you can see it, 14.5" mil rifles get crowded on the handguard pretty quick with PEQ's, lights, and all that stuff. VFG is the best way to get a hold of her. It also keeps your hand a bit further away from a hot barrel/handguard when things start heating up. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 10:48:56 AM EDT
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Agree wholeheartedly with the short VFG concept. It can be clamped comfortably and effectively, be used as a brace or rest, and if you have a hell of a long range trip you can actually use it as a VFG if you get fatigued or the rifle gets too hot.
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Posted: 4/18/2022 12:16:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agree wholeheartedly with the short VFG concept. It can be clamped comfortably and effectively, be used as a brace or rest, and if you have a hell of a long range trip you can actually use it as a VFG if you get fatigued or the rifle gets too hot. This |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 12:37:49 PM EDT
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Besides everything listed above, it makes toting the weapon easier, you can rest the VFG in your support hand with less effort than a curled finger grip on the handguard. Not a big deal for a range toy, but a really big deal if you're walking or standing around all day with the rifle slung to the front.
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Posted: 4/26/2022 9:23:50 PM EDT
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The popular one of my time was the grip pod thing. Still the A4 classic but everyone had to get a grip pod. The idea was to have a stabilizing rifle but reality is no one actually used it for its intended/perceived purpose.
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Posted: 5/5/2022 1:28:31 AM EDT
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Quoted: In another part of the forum I asked about the USMC and their use of the KAC VFG on their M-4’s. Old Devildog myself but the M-4 was after my time. I know the USMC had a reason for everything (and sometimes even a good reason!) but what is the advantage of a VFG versus a rifle without it? If you look at current operational setups, you’ll see that the old school VFG is very rarely used now. The stubby ones and angled ones are favored now since theirs mostly just a handstop to pull the rifle into your shoulder with and not a hold-onto point |
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Posted: 5/6/2022 5:40:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agree wholeheartedly with the short VFG concept. It can be clamped comfortably and effectively, be used as a brace or rest, and if you have a hell of a long range trip you can actually use it as a VFG if you get fatigued or the rifle gets too hot. I've always found that to be a bit uncomfortable. Angled grips seemed like a better compromise. Unfortunately, most of those aren't angled enough, which is also uncomfortable. Possibly do to my long arms and big hands. To solve the issue, I designed and started printing these out this week. Took a few tries to get the right angle, but I really like it where it is now. Very lightweight, fits my big hands, angled enough to be comfortable (can also be grabbed like you would a vertical grip), and the rubber ones are nice and grippy.  Attached File Attached File Attached FileThe Shiny one is smoothed ASA. Probably not gonna use it, it's awfully slick, and isn't as strong as the other two pictured. They're printed out of TPU (really tough rubber), and are basically indestructible. Could probably run them over with a tank without issue. Right now, I've just done Keymod and M-Lok. Might make a picatinny version as well. |
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Posted: 5/6/2022 5:57:12 PM EDT
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 Attached FileC grip works great for me. I use a Lead Faucet Tactical stop on a couple guns. Keeps muzzle down and comfortable. Bigger than a handstop but smaller than a grip |
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Posted: 5/6/2022 6:10:24 PM EDT
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Some find it more comfortable to carry with one.
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Posted: 5/6/2022 7:21:52 PM EDT
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The only grip I ever got comfortable with was the CQD (Dieter) Grip.
And just on SBRs, but I simply didn't get tired of gripping it. Loved the profile/pressure pad pocket, and recesses for wire routing. 
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Posted: 5/7/2022 6:16:16 AM EDT
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I still think that someone should be doing this, with the "chopped AFG" portion an option sold separately by Magpul.
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Posted: 5/7/2022 11:36:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I still think that someone should be doing this, with the "chopped AFG" portion an option sold separately by Magpul. https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8287/7579893420_dc82845ecb_b.jpg I really like that setup |
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Posted: 5/8/2022 12:43:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I really like that setup Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I still think that someone should be doing this, with the "chopped AFG" portion an option sold separately by Magpul. https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8287/7579893420_dc82845ecb_b.jpg I really like that setup I might try and get a local company to me (LRK Mechanical) to see what they can come up with. I'll probably haver to provide them with a bunch in case of any oops  I'm thinking old school AFG's chopped and mounted to an Mlok pic section and using the Magpul MVG. Thoughts? |
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Posted: 5/8/2022 1:20:14 AM EDT
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They are retarded. I have never seen the need and all they do is hang up over obstacles and gear.
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Posted: 5/8/2022 3:22:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are retarded. I have never seen the need and all they do is hang up over obstacles and gear.  Yeah.. And I'll bet that you're a bigger badass than Bobby Pruett.  |
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Posted: 5/8/2022 6:07:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are retarded. I have never seen the need and all they do is hang up over obstacles and gear. You do you then. It's been helpful for me to use them as a brace for either side against natural barriers by either clamping next to for a rock solid hold if bracing on the right, or the leaning into the forearm if bracing to the left. There were zero hang ups on gear and also zero problems with either natural or manmade obstacles. |
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Posted: 5/8/2022 7:26:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are retarded. I have never seen the need and all they do is hang up over obstacles and gear. Old broomsticks are still kinda cool though. 
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Posted: 5/8/2022 7:57:29 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I like a shorter VFG to use more as a hand stop to make a hybrid angled/C-clamp type grip. I find it's a more comfortable hand position for me than the flat horizontal grip, and it serves as a reference point for a good repeatable grip position on the rail for muscle memory in activating light/laser buttons. Then in some cases the VFG can also be used as a bracing tool against a barricade of edge of a wall for added stability if you need it. This. I hated them at first, now I have a dozen of them. I prefer the TD shorty, but still have a few KAC sticks. They are nice when a suppressed barrel and HG gets piping hot, too. |
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Posted: 5/8/2022 8:12:23 AM EDT
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heat
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Posted: 5/8/2022 7:19:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I might try and get a local company to me (LRK Mechanical) to see what they can come up with. I'll probably haver to provide them with a bunch in case of any oops I'm thinking old school AFG's chopped and mounted to an Mlok pic section and using the Magpul MVG. Thoughts? Personally, I’m still running picatinny rails on 90% of my rifles. However, if M-LOK is a way to bring the design to market, I’m all for it. |
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Posted: 5/8/2022 7:22:07 PM EDT
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Good to have when the barrel heats up.
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Posted: 5/8/2022 7:51:41 PM EDT
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I have a grip pod on my 5.56 DMR.Works well for it being what it is. I run different styles on my rifles depending on use. My bullpups amd SBRs I run a short one on. My favorite rifle, I have the slanted Stark industries on it. It is a 14.5 pinned. Lightweight and accurate and comfortable. I kinda use them like a hand stop not a full grip. I guess it all depends on your preference. My SBR NPAP,. I had the full finger grip VFG. It was comfortable and worked well. I switched it out for one that folds so it fits in a case better..still getting used to it.
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Posted: 5/8/2022 7:56:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://i.redd.it/v3d3cooex2u21.jpg Yeah.. And I'll bet that you're a bigger badass than Bobby Pruett. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/65625/LOL_Ferguson-1399962.gif Lots of SOG guys did that. But they also shot via spray and pray more than using sights. |
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Posted: 5/8/2022 8:15:48 PM EDT
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It's not a must but I have long arms, it helps keep my wrist less twisted and provides a bit more control/ stability, especially on SBR's and those 6 hour/ 1000 round sessions from multiple positions. I've tried a bunch but still like the $18 Magpul ones. Do whatever you feel comfortable with.
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Posted: 5/27/2022 10:44:45 AM EDT
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Vertical grips can also be useful when shooting in weird positions under and around stuff.
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Posted: 5/29/2022 8:36:21 AM EDT
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Never used a vfg as a real grip… but rather like a handstop… always felt like the rifle were less stable otherwise..
I understand that they were more popular in early 2000 when accessories were big & heavy. |
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Posted: 5/30/2022 11:46:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not a must but I have long arms, it helps keep my wrist less twisted and provides a bit more control/ stability, especially on SBR's and those 6 hour/ 1000 round sessions from multiple positions. I've tried a bunch but still like the $18 Magpul ones. Do whatever you feel comfortable with. https://i.imgur.com/Zh9YorX.jpg" target="_blank">https://i.imgur.com/Zh9YorX.jpg Yes, the wrist pronation from no grip, hand stops, and stubby grips will fatigue you after long periods of shooting or carrying. Having a strong purchase to pull the rifle into your shoulder is ideal.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/31/2022 4:08:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, the wrist pronation from no grip, hand stops, and stubby grips will fatigue you after long periods of shooting or carrying. Having a strong purchase to pull the rifle into your shoulder is ideal. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/183262/Screen_Shot_2021-10-10_at_3_40_45_PM_cop-2402802.JPG I've read from others on here in a light switch threat I think it might have been from, that they were saying that that a pressure pad especially in that 12 o'clock position would lose control  OMG, the ignorance of just saying that was hilarious to read. |
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