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Posted: 11/18/2018 12:56:41 AM EDT
[#1]
Black Hills 77gr, because I can't find 78gr.
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Posted: 11/18/2018 12:56:42 AM EDT
[#2]
M855A1
Excellent performance on both hard and soft targets. I've got a D60 full of them. I also like Hornady 75gr loads. Great on soft tissue, but they're not cutting through any plates. |
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Posted: 11/18/2018 1:01:47 AM EDT
[#3]
M193
It’s cheap, it works and it’s abundant. |
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Posted: 11/18/2018 2:03:49 AM EDT
[#4]
Hornady 75g otm cuz I found it cheap.
Otherwise, I'd use m193. |
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Posted: 11/18/2018 2:15:46 AM EDT
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223MKD(77gr Fiocchi SMK). Shoots the best out of countless ammo, this factory ammo gives me consistent best groups out of all my 1/7's. BCM, Colt and a YHM barrel-which gave me 1/2 moa). Yeah it's 75 cents a round, but dammit, Fiocchi is very underrated.
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Posted: 11/18/2018 2:19:02 AM EDT
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M193 It’s cheap, it works and it’s abundant. |
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Posted: 11/18/2018 3:08:04 AM EDT
[#7]
Whatever is in the mag, I'm not that picky on 5.56. Whatever I decide to shoot that during the day, I'll just top off the mag with the matching ammo.
M193 , Hornady 55gr FMJ hand loads, Hornady 55gr soft point hand loads, IMI 77gr Razor Core. At SD distances it's going to mess up a guy's day really bad. This is from a 16.5" 1/7 twist Tavor. The M193 is well within it's most destructive part of the envelope for fragmentation, Hornady 55gr FMJ acts like M193, Hornady 55gr Soft point will expand and tumble, and IMI 77gr Razor Core , well, it will be real nasty. All of that is going to be at velocities where the temporary stretch cavity will be destroyed and torn tissue, it's just not that elastic. For handguns, I'm a lot more picky. I do .40SW right now, and I'm carrying the 180gr Gold Dot. |
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Posted: 11/18/2018 3:17:26 AM EDT
[#8]
Winchester PDX1 60gr JHP
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Posted: 11/18/2018 5:02:39 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
M193 It’s cheap, it works and it’s abundant. |
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Posted: 11/18/2018 8:09:50 AM EDT
[#10]
Around here 100 yds. is about as far as you can see, unless you go looking for a farm field somewhere, or look down the main road. So, 55 grain FMJ up close.
Sixteen inch carbine. Thirty round magazines (several). |
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Posted: 11/18/2018 8:18:00 AM EDT
[#11]
Hornady Black, .223 55gr BTHP.
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Posted: 11/18/2018 8:40:58 AM EDT
[#12]
Barnes TTSX only way to go
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Posted: 11/18/2018 10:40:43 AM EDT
[#13]
Hand-loaded Hornady 55gr SP.
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Posted: 11/18/2018 11:11:29 AM EDT
[#14]
31rds of 64gr Speer Gold Dots. Why? Because I've seen them get well recommended and everything I can find shows they've got good performance, even against cars. 13.8" pinned 1:7 BCM.
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Posted: 11/18/2018 12:27:14 PM EDT
[#15]
"Go to fight?" Some folks have quite the aspirations.
HD is 64 gr Gold Dot. This is where I settled. I have 75 for a different rifle but it is mostly delegated for other uses. Just about any 556/223 round will be effective against a 2 legged nuisance, that has been the main focus of the round for half a century. It works well. SOme much better than others, of course. |
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Posted: 11/18/2018 1:16:57 PM EDT
[#16]
Fusion MSR in my 11.5" with Sig SRD556-QD
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Posted: 11/18/2018 1:41:32 PM EDT
[#17]
Iv for the most part down to two loads.
62gr TTSX and 55 gr Hornady SP. Loaded mags have the Barnes. |
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Posted: 11/18/2018 3:51:08 PM EDT
[#18]
Federal Fusion. 14.5” 1:7.
Maybe a little 75 gr Hornady in one I carry in the truck. 18” 1:8. |
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Posted: 11/18/2018 3:53:52 PM EDT
[#19]
77gr IMI razor core mk262 clone.
Perfect jack of all trades. |
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Posted: 11/18/2018 3:54:27 PM EDT
[#20]
55 Gr Soft Point
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Posted: 11/18/2018 4:01:06 PM EDT
[#21]
Regular ol' M193 for moi.
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Posted: 11/18/2018 6:42:34 PM EDT
[#22]
Federal 556FBIT3, 62 grain.
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Posted: 11/18/2018 7:13:57 PM EDT
[#23]
Hornady Black interlock 75 gr SBR
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Posted: 11/18/2018 8:46:05 PM EDT
[#24]
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Federal 556FBIT3, 62 grain. |
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Posted: 11/18/2018 8:55:12 PM EDT
[#25]
I used Black Hills SMK 77 grain ballistic tipped, as it has about a 1/2” neck. But I have no qualms about M193 by Federal or IMI.
5.56 wounds by fragmentation. I also have Mk318, M855, M855A1 for shooting through shit. If that doesn’t work, there’s always 7.62 NATO AP 
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Posted: 11/18/2018 10:34:55 PM EDT
[#26]
Gold Dots, 64gr and 75gr.
Not Yaw dependent , and they just consistently work as designed.. |
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Posted: 11/18/2018 10:54:40 PM EDT
[#27]
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Federal 556FBIT3, 62 grain. |
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Posted: 11/18/2018 11:23:39 PM EDT
[#28]
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77gr IMI razor core mk262 clone. Perfect jack of all trades. MK262 clones pull double duty as a bench shooting and HD round. The IMI loading is hot and has done very well in gel testing from a variety of barrel lengths. Living in a city, over-penetration is a legitimate concern, and one that OTMs reasonably address. I have absolute confidence in it. ETA I have a small volume of 55gr GMX that will happily defeat barriers and hardened targets...But I wouldn't use that with neighbors potentially nearby. |
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Posted: 11/18/2018 11:23:41 PM EDT
[#29]
The 11" Grendel gets Hornady black for HD/SD
The 8" 10mm AR gets 200gr XTPs over bluedot The 5.56 gets.. shit, I haven't had a 5.56 in years |
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Posted: 11/19/2018 12:16:52 AM EDT
[#30]
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I used Black Hills SMK 77 grain ballistic tipped, as it has about a 1/2” neck. But I have no qualms about M193 by Federal or IMI. 5.56 wounds by fragmentation. I also have Mk318, M855, M855A1 for shooting through shit. If that doesn’t work, there’s always 7.62 NATO AP |
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Posted: 11/19/2018 8:46:53 AM EDT
[#31]
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This. MK262 clones pull double duty as a bench shooting and HD round. The IMI loading is hot and has done very well in gel testing from a variety of barrel lengths. Living in a city, over-penetration is a legitimate concern, and one that OTMs reasonably address. I have absolute confidence in it. ETA I have a small volume of 55gr GMX that will happily defeat barriers and hardened targets...But I wouldn't use that with neighbors potentially nearby. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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77gr IMI razor core mk262 clone. Perfect jack of all trades. MK262 clones pull double duty as a bench shooting and HD round. The IMI loading is hot and has done very well in gel testing from a variety of barrel lengths. Living in a city, over-penetration is a legitimate concern, and one that OTMs reasonably address. I have absolute confidence in it. ETA I have a small volume of 55gr GMX that will happily defeat barriers and hardened targets...But I wouldn't use that with neighbors potentially nearby. MK262 clones are all I have for HD. It is also a great for 3 gun matches out to 600. |
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Posted: 11/19/2018 12:48:37 PM EDT
[#32]
64 grain Gold Dot in the rifles at home and 62 grain TAP Barrier in the work rifle.
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Posted: 11/19/2018 2:34:08 PM EDT
[#33]
MK262 for most things. M855 for range plinking.
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Posted: 11/19/2018 3:41:05 PM EDT
[#34]
M193
#M193echochamber |
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Posted: 11/19/2018 3:48:27 PM EDT
[#35]
70gr Barnes TSX
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Posted: 11/19/2018 6:53:41 PM EDT
[#36]
SSA 5.56 77gr. Nosler Custom Comp bullet.
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Posted: 11/19/2018 7:09:33 PM EDT
[#37]
Speer 75gr Gold Dot
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Posted: 11/19/2018 8:08:49 PM EDT
[#38]
64gr Gold Dot.
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Posted: 11/19/2018 8:23:07 PM EDT
[#39]
Anything out of a 5.56 chambered AR will do just fine.
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Posted: 11/19/2018 10:15:39 PM EDT
[#40]
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Federal 556FBIT3, 62 grain. Work rifle has 75gr Hornady |
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Posted: 11/19/2018 11:03:48 PM EDT
[#41]
Handloaded 75 gr BTHP that I bought from Wideners many moons ago. Overpenetration is a concern of mine, along with good terminal performance out of a 10.3" barrel..
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Posted: 11/19/2018 11:09:48 PM EDT
[#42]
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Anything out of a 5.56 chambered AR will do just fine. |
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Posted: 11/19/2018 11:25:25 PM EDT
[#43]
(Checks forum) Yeah, this isn’t GD. Keep it tech appropriate.
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Posted: 11/19/2018 11:41:08 PM EDT
[#44]
I couldn't decide between heavy OTM or barrier blind, so I alternate the rounds in my mag with 64gr GD and 75gr OTM's. Kind of the best of both worlds.
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Posted: 11/19/2018 11:57:21 PM EDT
[#45]
XM855 62 gr. green tip. Always have 210 ready for a rainy day. Cheap, always go bang, and make deeper holes in hard stuff.
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Posted: 11/20/2018 12:18:39 AM EDT
[#46]
mk318
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Posted: 11/20/2018 1:02:06 AM EDT
[#47]
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I couldn't decide between heavy OTM or barrier blind, so I alternate the rounds in my mag with 64gr GD and 75gr OTM's. Kind of the best of both worlds. 
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Posted: 11/20/2018 1:21:26 AM EDT
[#48]
T556TNB1
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Posted: 11/20/2018 2:44:38 AM EDT
[#49]
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Smart man, why spend extra money on all that expensive defensive ammo when literally ANY ammo will work out of an AR. Those police departments and special forces guys are just a bunch of suckers throwing money down the drain. #M193echochamber Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anything out of a 5.56 chambered AR will do just fine. The 16" barrel is going to be similar on average to the 4th photo from the muzzle to 30 yards, and from there to 130 yards it will, on average, be similar to the 5th photo. You have to do what works for you, but there isn't much of a scenario in self defense in your home or yard that will exceed the 30 yard distance, and certainly not the 130 yard distance. Now, if you live on a ton of acreage , a farm or something, and you are taking fire from way off, then yes, it would be lacking past say 175 yards. If you have plenty of cash and can afford it, by all means pick something better, I do on most occasions, but the M193 is not insufficient for the task at most SD / HD distances. I don't think anyone is saying it is the best, but we are saying that it is more than good enough for the needs of 95% of instances a civilian will see. I meant to add. The police see a lot of events where they must penetrate more than just the bad guy, car doors, windows, cover etc, that you will not see so much off around your home, so it would be foolish not to go with the best they can find at all the things they need to do. Of course we'd be foolish too, not to take advantage of better performance, if it's affordable to us. I'm just saying M193 is enough for most jobs we would encounter. 
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Posted: 11/20/2018 3:14:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You understand, that at SD / HD distances the M193 is, from a carbine, traveling at a velocity that is well within the envelope for maximum fragmentation, and penetrate to an acceptable depth. The 16" barrel is going to be similar on average to the 4th photo from the muzzle to 30 yards, and from there to 130 yards it will, on average, be similar to the 5th photo. You have to do what works for you, but there isn't much of a scenario in self defense in your home or yard that will exceed the 30 yard distance, and certainly not the 130 yard distance. Now, if you live on a ton of acreage , a farm or something, and you are taking fire from way off, then yes, it would be lacking past say 175 yards. If you have plenty of cash and can afford it, by all means pick something better, I do on most occasions, but the M193 is not insufficient for the task at most SD / HD distances. I don't think anyone is saying it is the best, but we are saying that it is more than good enough for the needs of 95% of instances a civilian will see. I meant to add. The police see a lot of events where they must penetrate more than just the bad guy, car doors, windows, cover etc, that you will not see so much off around your home, so it would be foolish not to go with the best they can find at all the things they need to do. Of course we'd be foolish too, not to take advantage of better performance, if it's affordable to us. I'm just saying M193 is enough for most jobs we would encounter. http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Ballistic_Gel_Experiments/BTAmmoLabsTest1/Test1.1.gif |
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