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I think lpvos are great. I'm just not a fan. I think they're a bit heavy and don't really do anything substantially better.
I'd rather just live with a fixed prism. I was shooting drills With similar carbines with an aim point pro and PA 3x micro prism(I've been impressed with it so far) and was 0.1-0.2 seconds faster with the 3x. I think it was related to the reticle.
I can shoot out to distances with a rds but like a little magnification for observation and threat ID.
I think a fixed 6x scope with a rmr on top would be better /lighter than a LPVO.
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This is where I am at.
I've done enough 3-gun with fixed 4x to realized for CQB that's just a bit too much inside 35 yards. I will completely not see targets at all and not well engage the field of encounter area efficiently at that high mag. And yet have done enough distance shooting that a red dot alone can work at 200 yards, but a bit tricky.
I've found (for me), 2.5x fixed is a very nice do-all fixed low power general purpose and mostly what I run on 12"-18". I standardized on the PA 2.5x CQB as a cost effective performance effective uniform unit across them all. Which, apparently they now discontinued - wish I knew that was coming. I ended up with a nice 4x ACOG, but found I don't care for it for general purpose as again, just too much mag for run and gun CQB. It fits nicely on a 14.5" Grendel field gun though. I will say, with Low power fixed, reticle matters a lot - and IMHO that PA CQB 2.5X was by for the best general purpose design for that - that catered to snap 10 yard as well as precision 500 yard shots
For 10.5-11.5", I just run a bare red dot. 300 yards isn't that guns mission statement, and you can do more with a red dot than you think - if you have to. Recall 20 years ago all this was done with irons, and a red dot is better then that.
I don't like most LPVO's as I find them heavy and clunky. And I'm into FFP, if variable, and most don't have very good CQB low power reticle- especially unpowered. I did experiment with a 45degree red dot and again just found it to make for a clunky complicated system that you had to decide which to use - under speed and stress, I don't like having to decide more things than I really have to. That's for me. Some 3 guners do amazing. Of course, they also tend to be heavily practiced and have the benefit of knowing course of fire in a mostly static field and predefined that they control the pace through, but sure. The one time I handled a LPVO rig + RMR recently I found it to be a heavy complicated heavy beast of a weapon system -personally. This is for me. Others have their own experiences. For me, when there is stress and things aren't working right, I lose about 50 IQ in a dynamic "why isn't this working/ what do I do?" Setting. Complicated systems aren't a good pairing with that. They work nice on a pleasant Sunday when I get to answer "do you understand the course of fire?", I suppose.
I moved away from red dot + magnifier a long time ago for similar reasons. And I don't care for systems you have to screw around with. I like fixed low power because that's what it is. Never on the wrong setting. Never something to think about adjusting. Never having to decide which sight to use. Lift gun, there it is. With fixed low power (2-3x type range) get on target, focus on target, send shot. That's it - every time. Nothing else other than engagement things, to think about .