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Posted: 11/30/2018 5:01:03 PM EDT
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I didn't think about the OAL thing. AH
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Posted: 11/30/2018 6:51:00 PM EDT
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Some people think that if the angle of the vertical grip isn’t exactly 90 degrees then it’s not illegal on a pistol under 26”.
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Posted: 11/30/2018 7:25:48 PM EDT
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Some people think that if the angle of the vertical grip isn’t exactly 90 degrees then it’s not illegal on a pistol under 26”. It might well be fine, but when it's called a vertical foregrip and only differs by a degree or two, I dunno. I guess it depends on how literally you want to take that ATF letter that mentions 90 degrees to the bore as being the standard. |
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Posted: 12/2/2018 2:00:53 AM EDT
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The current logic is that when a stockless short barreled AR is over 26" overall, it ceases to be a pistol and enters the same nebulous "firearm" definition the Mossberg Shockwave occupies.
Typing out "current logic" was painful, and goes to show the hilarious futility of navigating ATF "opinions" |
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Posted: 12/2/2018 9:03:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For an actual angled grip, I think that's pretty well established and true; for something like the BCM grip that is like 89 degrees... lol. I'd say that's really splitting hairs. It might well be fine, but when it's called a vertical foregrip and only differs by a degree or two, I dunno. I guess it depends on how literally you want to take that ATF letter that mentions 90 degrees to the bore as being the standard. |
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Posted: 12/2/2018 11:37:54 AM EDT
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The current logic is that when a stockless short barreled AR is over 26" overall, it ceases to be a pistol and enters the same nebulous "firearm" definition the Mossberg Shockwave occupies. Typing out "current logic" was painful, and goes to show the hilarious futility of navigating ATF "opinions" |
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Posted: 12/2/2018 11:47:46 AM EDT
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Vertical grips are not very important IMO. It’s nice having something to push back against and to make sure your hand is in the same position every time, but not for actually grabbing the thing like a grip. The gun is simply more stable when your support hand is wrapped around the hand guard, not wrapped around a VFG. I’m not aware of scientific measurements, but I can easily feel the gun is able to wobble more when I hold the VFG.
An AFG works, but I don’t even think those are very useful except as a hand stop for short barrels. I really prefer no forward grip of any type, especially to save weight. So I guess I’m saying that I don’t think it is worth it to find a loophole just to add an accessory that is not very useful. |
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Posted: 12/2/2018 12:04:16 PM EDT
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Vertical grips are not very important IMO. It’s nice having something to push back against and to make sure your hand is in the same position every time, but not for actually grabbing the thing like a grip. The gun is simply more stable when your support hand is wrapped around the hand guard, not wrapped around a VFG. I’m not aware of scientific measurements, but I can easily feel the gun is able to wobble more when I hold the VFG. An AFG works, but I don’t even think those are very useful except as a hand stop for short barrels. I really prefer no forward grip of any type, especially to save weight. So I guess I’m saying that I don’t think it is worth it to find a loophole just to add an accessory that is not very useful. I like white bread over wheat... 
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Posted: 12/2/2018 12:14:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have no clue what this had to do with the thread. I like white bread over wheat... Edit - Oh wait, this is in the AR Pistol forum. I guess you just didn’t like my opinion. Well, fuck. |
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Posted: 12/2/2018 2:19:29 PM EDT
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Oh, are you talking about handguns? I thought this was an AR pistol VFG thing. Just ignore then. Edit - Oh wait, this is in the AR Pistol forum. I guess you just didn’t like my opinion. Well, fuck. 
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Posted: 12/2/2018 5:54:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Vertical grips are not very important IMO. It’s nice having something to push back against and to make sure your hand is in the same position every time, but not for actually grabbing the thing like a grip. The gun is simply more stable when your support hand is wrapped around the hand guard, not wrapped around a VFG. I’m not aware of scientific measurements, but I can easily feel the gun is able to wobble more when I hold the VFG. An AFG works, but I don’t even think those are very useful except as a hand stop for short barrels. I really prefer no forward grip of any type, especially to save weight. So I guess I’m saying that I don’t think it is worth it to find a loophole just to add an accessory that is not very useful. |
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Posted: 12/2/2018 6:06:11 PM EDT
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Oh, are you talking about handguns? I thought this was an AR pistol VFG thing. Just ignore then. Edit - Oh wait, this is in the AR Pistol forum. I guess you just didn’t like my opinion. Well, fuck. |
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Posted: 12/5/2018 8:01:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh, are you talking about handguns? I thought this was an AR pistol VFG thing. Just ignore then. Edit - Oh wait, this is in the AR Pistol forum. I guess you just didn't like my opinion. Well, fuck. |
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