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Posted: 4/12/2023 4:50:11 PM EDT
I can shoot this fairly well by getting a cheek weld on the tube, nothing on the shoulder. It does get a little painful on the jaw muscle. Is there a product to cushion the side of the tube, but not the end so no one gets any wrong ideas? Or has anyone here repurposed some foam tubing; and what ID is the best for fitting on the SB3 tube?
I don't want a knob on the end, and I want a long buffer tube. Any of the experts here (I am NOT one) have a setup to get where I want to go? Like this. It's surprisingly effective without the shoulder. And yes, this is in response to Ohio's "No loaded rifle in a vehicle" rule. 300 AAC car gun. Thanks in advance. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 4/12/2023 6:34:14 PM EDT
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Paracord wrap is probably the simplest way on a 5- or 6-pos buffer tube. There are round tubes with a foam sleeve which are my prefered non-brace option.
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IL, USA
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Posted: 4/12/2023 7:25:34 PM EDT
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Agreed on the paracord wrap. You might even be able to find some pool noodle to stick on it.
And yeah, the whole ruling is stupid. Nothing about the weapon itself changes, but it is somehow now less dangerous without the brace. 
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/12/2023 8:20:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lasnyder]
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you might look at the KAK 8 1/2" buffer tube for the SB15.... it is 1.175" diameter... the end plate needs to have the alignment stud removed as it just screws on without a castle nub... correct length with end plate to trap the buffer detent
if you tap the rear take down pin's spring and plunger hole for a set screw, you can use a regular rifle tube, just remove the rear " hexhead" section of the tube if needed... it will capture the buffer detent, but needs a carbine end plate to be removed |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 4/12/2023 9:43:33 PM EDT
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KAK 8 1/2" buffer tube for the SB15 If that has been extended to the rear, beyond which is necessary for the buffer to reciprocate it may not pass muster. I have a 9" extended tube on my 26.5" OAL "firearm" with a 10.5" barrel and according to the doc it is now verboten as it adds un-necessary length that is not required for function of the action and contributes to the ability to "shoulder" the weapon. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/12/2023 11:38:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lasnyder]
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s4s4u.... has the carbine length tube, then been officially designated the default measurement?.... the 8 1/2 tube is internally machined to carbine dimensions if my memory is correct, with the remaining length solid, with through drain hole....can be easily shortened..I like that product as it has the reinforced shoulder where it screws into the lower, is round and does not have the rib with adjustment holes in it .
it would be nice to have an exact length in case the ruling is not thrown out by the court actions.... |
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Posted: 4/13/2023 7:22:15 AM EDT
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Thanks everyone. I am trying not to spend too much money on the hopes this gets tossed, but I can't carry a potential felony around in my car.
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MN, USA
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Posted: 4/13/2023 8:44:05 AM EDT
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I was under the impression that any pistol buffer tube that was "readily convertible" to accept a brace or stock was a no go?
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/13/2023 10:33:47 AM EDT
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Bravo32... I would suggest that the ruling was directed at the more prevalent collapsible carbine length tubes, rather than specifically a shorter pistol tube...typical governmental obfuscation... just give us a maximum allowable length for the tube, and from where it is measured... please correct me, though, I'm old and get pissed when I think about this administration's attempts to circumvent the legislative process... I have a registered SBR and my pistol upper is listed on the addendum sheet for the revocable trust, so not a complete waste..... regards
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MN, USA
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Posted: 4/13/2023 10:39:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lasnyder: s4s4u.... has the carbine length tube, then been officially designated the default measurement?.... the 8 1/2 tube is internally machined to carbine dimensions if my memory is correct, with the remaining length solid, with through drain hole....can be easily shortened..I like that product as it has the reinforced shoulder where it screws into the lower, is round and does not have the rib with adjustment holes in it . it would be nice to have an exact length in case the ruling is not thrown out by the court actions.... Not sure if "default measurement" but they made it clear that one is not required to replace the "carbine" buffer tube once the brace is removed. There are also references to round "pistol" tubes of approximately 6-1/2" length, just enough to house the spring and buffer and allow the gun to cycle. As I understand it, anything that adds length that is not required for function is a no-go so no rifle receiver extensions or extended pistol tubes. I am not a lawyer, but I think an 8-1/2" tube would fall into that category as well. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 4/13/2023 10:47:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bravo32: I was under the impression that any pistol buffer tube that was "readily convertible" to accept a brace or stock was a no go? That is not the case. If your brace incorporates an adjustable "carbine" buffer tube, like the SBA3 et al, all you need do is remove the brace. There are many braces that are designed to fit on a round "pistol" buffer tube, so there is no way to enforce "readily convertible". Their answer is that you need to disable or destroy the brace, or put it on a rifle with a 16" or longer barrel. It doesn't matter whether it makes any sense, and it doesn't. It is gov't doing gov't shit. |
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Posted: 4/14/2023 10:00:52 PM EDT
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did you go to the home improvement stores and look at the pipe insulation some have a nice rubberized foam
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/14/2023 10:45:26 PM EDT
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I have a phase5 tactical pistol buffer tube that comes with a pad.
I bought it years ago before braced pistols blew up. |
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Posted: 4/15/2023 12:32:37 PM EDT
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Dr. Scholls adhesive ‘mole foam’ (foam with mole skin covering) stuck in the right place might help. Degrease before adhering.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 4/15/2023 6:40:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TrailerTrash556]
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I used a foam push broom handle cover on a Spikes shorty pistol tube
 I've seen hockey tape, first aid tape, sports tape, paracord, and probably others I've forgotten about. Whatever works for you. Just make sure whatever you use allows the charging handle to travel all the way to the rear. |
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Posted: 4/16/2023 2:09:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: sagillman]
[#15]
Is the thordsen cheek rest still kosher? I’d assume so as it was never a brace, should slip right on the tube
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/16/2023 4:54:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sagillman: Is the thordsen cheek rest still kosher? I’d assume so as it was never a brace, should slip right on the tube To my knowledge, they're okay since they don't modify the back end in any way that would create more surface area that could be misconstrued as a stock/brace. For anyone wondering, here it is: https://www.thordsencustoms.com/frs-15-snap-on-saddle-black5072-1.html |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2023 1:01:24 PM EDT
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Regarding shooting one, I saw a video once with a guy shooting a bufferless Sig .223 pistol equipped with a sling that he used to get a cheek weld on. He just pushed pistol away till sling was taut and rested his cheek on it.
He was popping 12 oz soda cans from 100 yards. I did same thing with an Extar EXP I had and it worked surprisingly well. The Extar is a plastic range toy that can't stand up to shooting suppressed as the pressure sheared off the plastic charging handle (easy fix). For this reason I didn't bother to SBR it. I just keep it in back of safe with that sling attached. It's still fun to take out from time to time and blast away. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2023 1:12:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: s4s4u]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sagillman: Is the thordsen cheek rest still kosher? I’d assume so as it was never a brace, should slip right on the tube Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sagillman: Is the thordsen cheek rest still kosher? I’d assume so as it was never a brace, should slip right on the tube Thordsen wrote a letter to AFT asking for clarification. Not sure if they got that yet. The only issue "might" be adding surface area to the rear of the buffer tube. I say might, becasue as long as it doesn't add length it "might" be okay. Clear as mud, as so many things are with this new rule. ETA: From their FB page I just pinged our ATF Rep again to get a status update on the Cheek Rest re-affirmation. 1/11/23 was the last time I pinged and they responded saying 90 days which is approaching fast. We'll see!! In the meantime, we have acquired three more 3D printers and have cranked out hundreds of snap on cheek rests in anticipation of handling the load!! Getting other needed supplies (post Covid) is still a big issue. Alan Thordsen |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2023 1:16:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: s4s4u]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Utahshooting: Regarding shooting one, I saw a video once with a guy shooting a bufferless Sig .223 pistol equipped with a sling that he used to get a cheek weld on. He just pushed pistol away till sling was taut and rested his cheek on it. He was popping 12 oz soda cans from 100 yards. I did same thing with an Extar EXP I had and it worked surprisingly well. The Extar is a plastic range toy that can't stand up to shooting suppressed as the pressure sheared off the plastic charging handle (easy fix). For this reason I didn't bother to SBR it. I just keep it in back of safe with that sling attached. It's still fun to take out from time to time and blast away. Been doing this for years. Then the brace thing happened. I even use the same method with my T/C Contender pistol that has a rifle scope on it, push-pull. Push against the sling with your grip hand while pulling back slightly with your support hand. The buffer tube adds a 3rd point of contact which really helps to steady the shot, even when just holding against the cheek. ETA: This also shoots holes in the AFT determination that a short eye relief "scope" can only be used with a shoulder stock. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2023 1:51:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By s4s4u: Been doing this for years. Then the brace thing happened. I even use the same method with my T/C Contender pistol that has a rifle scope on it, push-pull. Push against the sling with your grip hand while pulling back slightly with your support hand. The buffer tube adds a 3rd point of contact which really helps to steady the shot, even when just holding against the cheek. ETA: This also shoots holes in the AFT determination that a short eye relief "scope" can only be used with a shoulder stock. Nice!!!! Shot a friend's T/C pistol chambered in .45/70, once. Just once. That was enough. LOL!!! 
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MN, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2023 2:56:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Utahshooting: Nice!!!! Shot a friend's T/C pistol chambered in .45/70, once. Just once. That was enough. LOL!!! Haha, I had a barrel in 45/70. Keyword HAD 
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Posted: 4/19/2023 3:28:08 PM EDT
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I put a phase 5 smooth tube on one of my ARs. It's allegedly not that uncomfortable to shoot when inadvertently shouldered, but you'll be NTCH for sure.
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Posted: 4/19/2023 10:42:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Utahshooting: Regarding shooting one, I saw a video once with a guy shooting a bufferless Sig .223 pistol equipped with a sling that he used to get a cheek weld on. He just pushed pistol away till sling was taut and rested his cheek on it. He was popping 12 oz soda cans from 100 yards. I did same thing with an Extar EXP I had and it worked surprisingly well. The Extar is a plastic range toy that can't stand up to shooting suppressed as the pressure sheared off the plastic charging handle (easy fix). For this reason I didn't bother to SBR it. I just keep it in back of safe with that sling attached. It's still fun to take out from time to time and blast away. Larry Vickers has it demonstrated here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3haKUPEj4U God invented EOTech for these unconventional positions & dynamic use. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2023 12:57:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/20/2023 6:27:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dferg10: A Phase 5 foam buffer tube cover is what you want: Phase 5 foam buffer tube cover Ordered, thanks! |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2023 9:22:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ohio: Ordered, thanks! You may already know this: if you use a compressed air can with the nozzle to install and remove buffer tube foam covers it makes it fast and easy. |
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Posted: 5/10/2023 1:53:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dferg10: You may already know this: if you use a compressed air can with the nozzle to install and remove buffer tube foam covers it makes it fast and easy. Tried this trick today and it works quite well! |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 5/22/2023 5:01:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: opositive]
[#28]
bueno. i have not been shooting for a while and was wondering what to do with some hypothetical ar pistols that someone might have in their possession.
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USA
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Posted: 5/27/2023 8:24:40 AM EDT
[#29]
Old exercise equipment often has durable grip covers.
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MN, USA
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Posted: 5/27/2023 11:28:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigjunk1: Old exercise equipment often has durable grip covers. Can buy 'em here |
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Posted: 5/27/2023 11:38:13 AM EDT
[#31]
send $30 to FPC and put the brace back on, you’ll be covered by the injunction.
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MN, USA
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Posted: 5/27/2023 12:47:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ElliotAbrahms: send $30 to FPC and put the brace back on, you’ll be covered by the injunction. You don't even need to send them money, but it would be nice. Everybody should join FPC regardless |
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Posted: 5/27/2023 1:25:19 PM EDT
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These fit over a milspec tube and the end is open.
Charging handle just barely touches them though. Could trim or sand down but not worth it to me for a range gun.  https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BVR2Y8WT |
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Posted: 5/27/2023 2:07:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By panthermark: And yeah, the whole ruling is stupid. Nothing about the weapon itself changes, but it is somehow now less dangerous without the brace. The whole SBR thing is stupid. NFA was a handgun and machine gun control law. They added cut down long guns to prevent bypassing the handgun restrictions. Then they removed the handgun restrictions which necessitated the SBR/SBS restrictions, but did not remove the SBR/SBS restrictions. Now, suddenly, your granddad's Buntline revolver is worth ten years in prison. But that's OK, because we're not really enforcing that law. (until the 1960s when we'll start tightening the screws on the enforcement) |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 5/27/2023 4:13:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By s4s4u: Thordsen wrote a letter to AFT asking for clarification. Not sure if they got that yet. The only issue "might" be adding surface area to the rear of the buffer tube. I say might, becasue as long as it doesn't add length it "might" be okay. Clear as mud, as so many things are with this new rule. ETA: From their FB page Thorsden got a response back, their cheek rest is NO LONGER approved. AFT says that is will make an SBR. 
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MN, USA
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Posted: 5/27/2023 4:59:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By panthermark: Thorsden got a response back, their cheek rest is NO LONGER approved. AFT says that is will make an SBR. Then I expect they will join in on the many lawsuits that are working their way thru the system. |
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Posted: 5/28/2023 12:38:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By s4s4u: You don't even need to send them money, but it would be nice. Everybody should join FPC regardless The things I have done to try and follow the RULE is exhausting and has added expense to a $375 beater. I joined FPC and sent $50, and I will send more as I can. I’ll go from there. |
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Posted: 5/29/2023 2:28:59 PM EDT
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Wrap it in tennis racket grip?
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USA
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Posted: 6/7/2023 10:24:54 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By panthermark: Thorsden got a response back, their cheek rest is NO LONGER approved. AFT says that is will make an SBR. Dam I had no idea of this determination. Hopefully they sue ASAP and get an injunction like the rest of the groups. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 8/20/2023 12:03:37 PM EDT
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I removed the brace with tube and installed a short, plain 'pistol' tube and covered it with a foam cover made for the purpose. I also fabricated a foam 'ring' for just behind the end of the receiver in case there was more rearward motion than expected. This is just Velcro'd on because I'm pretty sure I won't need it. I made it flat on one side so it can be rotated to use the charging handle without removal if needed.
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Posted: 8/21/2023 9:13:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By s4s4u: Been doing this for years. Then the brace thing happened. I even use the same method with my T/C Contender pistol that has a rifle scope on it, push-pull. Push against the sling with your grip hand while pulling back slightly with your support hand. The buffer tube adds a 3rd point of contact which really helps to steady the shot, even when just holding against the cheek. ETA: This also shoots holes in the AFT determination that a short eye relief "scope" can only be used with a shoulder stock. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 8/28/2023 10:47:18 PM EDT
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Or...
Get a Maxim Defense Brace. Since those are also covered under the current injunction. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 10/7/2023 5:32:15 PM EDT
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 AR-15 Pistol Brace to Pistol Buffer Tube Conversion |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 10/7/2023 11:36:59 PM EDT
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What sissies. You Bud Light drinkers are allegedly tossing your braces, replacing receiver extensions and now resorting to pads
 I hope you feel appropriately shamed when you stick your chins to your pads.Disgraceful. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 10/8/2023 9:32:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: OTDR]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ARgonot: What sissies. You Bud Light drinkers are allegedly tossing your braces, replacing receiver extensions and now resorting to pads I hope you feel appropriately shamed when you stick your chins to your pads.Disgraceful. Never believed in the old saying, "try it before you knock it", as I would never EVER try gay sex. But I do love my cheek pistol lol and I dont drink bUD lIGHT! |
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