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Posted: 2/8/2021 1:07:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry, it’s important enough to be continually ragged on. I know that there will be a lot of excuses made, including a rather bizarre statement in a thread last Fall by a rep from a Chinese optics firm about it requiring “exotic” technology, but if a LPVO isn’t daylight bright I’m just not interested. Yeah we know. |
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Posted: 2/10/2021 11:33:52 AM EDT
[#2]
Geez how did I miss this?!
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Posted: 2/10/2021 1:52:33 PM EDT
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I like a good LPVO with or without daylight bright illumination. BUT i think I was spoiled once I looked through a truly bright LPVO in the Nightforce NX8, so I think i'll stick to daylight bright going forward.
Not to say I discourage the others, I just found it a bit easier to get onto target, and it even improved my stage times by a noticeable amount during close-range stages in bright environments. Could just be my eyes. Probably just personal pref. I do like my Slx 1-6 and still find it to be an incredible value! |
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Posted: 2/11/2021 1:32:50 PM EDT
[#4]
Why does everything have a bdc reticle of some kind?
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Posted: 2/11/2021 1:44:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll buy one if it's truly daylight bright @1x. I can tell you right now it won’t be with that reticle. The few that are typically only employ a dot in the center of the reticle... |
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Posted: 2/11/2021 1:46:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. It’s like complaining that your iron sights aren’t daylight bright. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: People who complain about daylight brightness on etched reticle ffp scopes, need training and classes... change my mind This. It’s like complaining that your iron sights aren’t daylight bright. Using a LPVO on 1x with a tiny reticle is less than ideal. Sorry...it’s a valid complaint if the product wants to be versatile. Otherwise it’s just a huge and heavy optic with no benefit (which they pretty much are anyways)... |
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Posted: 2/11/2021 3:20:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can tell you right now it won’t be with that reticle. The few that are typically only employ a dot in the center of the reticle... The reticle has been designed with specific elements that become visible at 1X to draw you eye to the center. Also there are things you can do at this price point to increase brightness that you can't with SLx pricing. Remember that this is a SHOT show introduction. We are still a few months from what we call the pilot run. That is when you will see them in peoples hands doing reviews. |
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Posted: 2/12/2021 1:52:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The reticle has been designed with specific elements that become visible at 1X to draw you eye to the center. Also there are things you can do at this price point to increase brightness that you can't with SLx pricing. Remember that this is a SHOT show introduction. We are still a few months from what we call the pilot run. That is when you will see them in peoples hands doing reviews. So we're talking maybe late summer, early fall for them to hit the shelves? |
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Posted: 2/12/2021 9:47:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So we're talking maybe late summer, early fall for them to hit the shelves? We are pushing to have it sooner but nothing firm yet. |
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Posted: 2/16/2021 2:02:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The reticle has been designed with specific elements that become visible at 1X to draw you eye to the center. Also there are things you can do at this price point to increase brightness that you can't with SLx pricing. Remember that this is a SHOT show introduction. We are still a few months from what we call the pilot run. That is when you will see them in peoples hands doing reviews. Hopefully it delivers. I’ve been disappointed with budget and higher then LPVO’s when it comes to battery life and daylight visibility. I’ll be keeping an eye on this one as my 12.5” Grendel microSPR needs something a bit more substantial than the 1-4 Vortex PST it currently wears. |
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Posted: 3/14/2021 2:01:54 PM EDT
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1. Marshall is awesome when it comes to commo with customers.
2. Make one of these in a GLx or PLx LPVO for 300BLK!!!!! |
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Posted: 3/14/2021 9:39:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A LPVO that is NOT daylight bright is like an All weather scope that can't get wet. The Whole POINT behind a LPVO is to have the charaterisitics of a red dot on 1X.... Name one 1X red dot that is NOT daylight bright?? I'll wait. Everyone wants to play in the LPVO space and they all fall back on the same tired (it's an etched reticle argument) which is Optic speak for "It's not daylight bright" If I can't use a LPVO like a Aimpoint, then it's just another scope with a cross hair. Scope makers know what daylight bright is.... They just have to decide how important it is to there bottom like profit margin when building them. And it's apparent that they tapped into a market where they can skimp on it and still sell them. As the majority of shooters don't care and will buy them regardless. Luckily there are iptions for those of us who do. This is valid. The whole point of 1X is to mimic the ability of a RDS. If a 1-N optic cannot adequately mimic the performance of a RDS @ 1X, it loses most of the reason it is a LPVO in the first place. |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 12:04:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is valid. The whole point of 1X is to mimic the ability of a RDS. If a 1-N optic cannot adequately mimic the performance of a RDS @ 1X, it loses most of the reason it is a LPVO in the first place. I agree and what's the point of having a 24mm objective if you have to go with an offset RDS anyway when you could just get a larger objective. My main goal for doing any LPVO has always been to do away with any kind of piggyback/offset RDS and have the option of more magnification. Another thing that bugs me is when the reticle is way too small in FFP on 1x to use without illumination on so that also can defeat the purpose of the LPVO. Of coarse without illumination in darker hrs it won't matter if the reticle is etched if the illum isn't working with FFP or SFP. There are always going to be compromises either way you look at it. Maybe a 1-10x FFP or SFP reticle with tritium and battery illum!  MSRP $4000
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Posted: 3/15/2021 12:32:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree and what's the point of having a 24mm objective if you have to go with an offset RDS anyway when you could just get a larger objective.  DLO Explanations: Why do LPVOs have small objectives? |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 11:50:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistorySeen that when he put it up, thanks for the refresher though!  What I'm saying is why go with a LPVO's reticle that is useless on 1x in certain conditions where you will need to add an offset/piggyback rds, when you could just get an optic like a 2-10x or whatever to 12/14/15x with a larger obj and add an offest rds? For me the purpose of an LPVO would be to not have a need for any offset or piggyback rds. I know it gets hashed out here almost too much and hell, it even drives me nuts sometimes it gets so old hearing about it but there is a valid point in having a "daylight bright" reticle at 1x especially in FFP. My LPVO's will most of the time live on 1x except for when I want or need that extra 8 or 10x to work on my handloads or just need to hit at distance. For me it's the best of both worlds. I don't want or have them because I just need to have the latest and greatest tacticool optic, I want and use them because they work for my needs. |
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Posted: 3/25/2021 6:01:53 PM EDT
[#16]
Damn. Reticles kinda killed it for me. Whish it had the ACSS Griffin Mil with the Chevron and Christmas tree.
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Posted: 3/25/2021 6:07:04 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn. Reticles kinda killed it for me. Whish it had the ACSS Griffin Mil with the Chevron and Christmas tree. Good feedback. More reticles will be added over time! |
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Posted: 3/25/2021 6:10:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good feedback. More reticles will be added over time! Thanks for the reply! It's just a personal preference for me to have information/grids on reticles that exceed x6 magnification. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 6:28:10 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn. Reticles kinda killed it for me. Whish it had the ACSS Griffin Mil with the Chevron and Christmas tree. Both new LPVO options have a Griffin Mil option... how does this kill it for you?? |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 7:00:22 PM EDT
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The Burris XTR 2 1-8 SFF gets very bright, even on the brightest of days. Not sure why they seems to have it figured out where others still claim it and cant deliver
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Posted: 3/26/2021 7:43:38 PM EDT
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Even the Burris XTR 1-8 FFP was daylight bright. Burris's LPVOs don't get the respect they deserve unfortunately. Hopefully the new PA and Athlon offerings can replicate Burris's exotic 2015 tech!
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Posted: 3/26/2021 8:36:45 PM EDT
[#22]
I am with the others on loving the Burris XTR 2 but the weight kills it for me. I am looking to replace mine with somethiing lighter
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Posted: 3/26/2021 8:37:54 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Both new LPVO options have a Griffin Mil option... how does this kill it for you?? The names are the same but I was talking about this reticle.  |
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Posted: 3/29/2021 10:52:58 PM EDT
[#24]
@Iron-E yea it's the same reticle
Edit: Whoops....yea it does look like a different reticle. My mistake |
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Posted: 3/30/2021 11:51:27 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Burris XTR 2 1-8 SFF gets very bright, even on the brightest of days. Not sure why they seems to have it figured out where others still claim it and cant deliver Exactly. This shouldn’t be that difficult in 2021. |
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Posted: 4/4/2021 8:18:02 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The names are the same but I was talking about this reticle. https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0247/6353/1312/products/[email protected]?v=1576978941 I’m in the opposite camp, I prefer something in SFP. setup like the original Razor HD reticle. All that is noise to me. That said love PA, will shop there always, and the 1-6 of theirs I bought dad is a heck of a deal. |
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Posted: 4/4/2021 9:11:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The weight on these just kills it for me. I will say - don't discount this statement. I run two of the 2.5-10x Griifen's. Great scopes, and while I do love how they are cross consistent with the excellent 2.5 CQB (same reticle at 2.5), these guys are indeed quite heavy. It's about a 2 lb weight increase to the rifle with mount. Depending in what the rifle is supposed to be, that can be a pretty big deal. How this new version with no light gathering objective lens or glass compared to the 2.5-10 version, weighs even more, I can't quite figure out. |
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Posted: 4/4/2021 11:24:02 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m in the opposite camp, I prefer something in SFP. setup like the original Razor HD reticle. All that is noise to me. That said love PA, will shop there always, and the 1-6 of theirs I bought dad is a heck of a deal. I prefer zeroing the optic and using the reticle to do the rest of the work. Luckily they'll have multiple options. |
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Posted: 4/5/2021 11:39:08 AM EDT
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Can't wait for some reviews and comparisons to come out between this and the Ares 1-10
So far it looks like: PA 1-10x24: 30mm, 23.3 oz, 4" eye relief, FOV 104/9.6, 11.44" long , $1k MSRP, ETA late summer/fall Ares 1-10x24: 34mm, 26.9oz, 3.7" eye relief, FOV 117.3/11.7, 10" long, $1140 MSRP (current street price $950 shipped) ETA late april early may I'm ready to spend my money! |
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Posted: 4/6/2021 6:16:49 AM EDT
[#30]
Personally I don't care for the horseshoe reticle, but I would love to get my hands on one of these to check out. I'm in the market to upgrade from my 1-4x I think the ACSS ARES-MOA would be perfect for this, except maybe in mils to stay with the adjustment knob. 1x you get a nice illuminated cross, 10x you get a good ranging reticle with a fine dot on target. Pretty please?
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Posted: 4/7/2021 12:32:40 PM EDT
[#31]
@MARSH1
How would this thing hold up on a SCAR 17? Am about to buy one and will be looking at optics for it and so far I like what I've seen of the new GLx 1-10x24, so I'm hoping it can take the recoil impulse on a SCAR 
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Posted: 4/7/2021 10:50:08 PM EDT
[#32]
Dat 2021 lineup tho.
When will new products be avail? Need that prism and 1-10 nectar |
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Posted: 4/7/2021 11:11:41 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes just about every LPVO under a grand with a few exceptions are not going to be daylight bright. Just off the top of my head Vortex PST gen II 1-6 burris xtrii 1-5 burris xtrii 1-8 trijicon tr24 1-4 trijicon tr25 1-6 Steiner Px4i 1-4 and if you cruise the EE you can grab a vortex razor gen II 1-6 under $1000 also. |
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Posted: 4/8/2021 6:31:30 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Laughably wrong. Just off the top of my head Vortex PST gen II 1-6 burris xtrii 1-5 burris xtrii 1-8 trijicon tr24 1-4 trijicon tr25 1-6 Steiner Px4i 1-4 and if you cruise the EE you can grab a vortex razor gen II 1-6 under $1000 also. OK I agree with some of that, but a razor under a grand on the EE is really laughable. Never seen it and as you can see by my feedback I am on the EE quite frequently. |
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Posted: 4/8/2021 9:29:13 AM EDT
[#35]
Don't forget the Delta Stryker is daylight bright as well.
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Posted: 4/8/2021 10:55:56 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't forget the Delta Stryker is daylight bright as well. Forgot about that one too. How are you liking yours? Give us an update when u can. |
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Posted: 4/28/2021 4:21:26 PM EDT
[#37]
Any updates on a release date and when reviewers will have them?
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Posted: 4/28/2021 8:51:40 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OK I agree with some of that, but a razor under a grand on the EE is really laughable. Never seen it and as you can see by my feedback I am on the EE quite frequently. One sold for $950 last week. Sold in minutes, of course. |
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Posted: 4/28/2021 9:30:38 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I mean, he's not wrong. One sold for $950 last week. Sold in minutes, of course. You knew this and couldn't PM me? Thanks for nothing!!
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Posted: 4/29/2021 1:41:29 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why does everything have a bdc reticle of some kind? Because they have excellent utility on 'quick and dirty' type optics. |
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Posted: 5/22/2021 7:29:45 PM EDT
[#41]
Updates on availability??
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Posted: 5/27/2021 8:53:26 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You are correct on both counts. The new GLx 1-6X will be $599 1-10X $999 Both 30mm tubes In a given quality range a 10X zoom ratio optic will have compromises vs a 6X zoom. No more than 300 yards I would probably go with the 1-6X as well I will stay out of the shitstorm on illumination other than to say we have optimized the new 10X reticles to be effective at 1X and are pushing conventional etched reticle illumination as far as we can. Both of these are expected to ship mid year. We are working on refractive reticles but that will be for a thread later this year. Well any updates when I can order one of the GLx 1-6 ? Thanks. |
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Posted: 5/28/2021 8:57:34 AM EDT
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PA-Glx-LPVO UPDATE
"We were not 100% satisfied with the pre production sample we received. We are reviewing the assemble procedures with the factory now. We will update as soon as possible." |
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