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Posted: 6/30/2023 7:43:27 PM EDT
Anyone have pictures they will share?
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Originally Posted By HighLighter: Anyone have pictures they will share? View Quote Anyone who would, would be opening themselves up to scrutiny via AFT. Hmmmm???? |
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With the new Brace rule one can no longer use a rifle length buffer tube since it makes the length of pull too long even without a brace attached.
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Probably have better response if you go down to the Armory forum and in there, the NFA area, and ask to see A2 stocked SBRs
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Originally Posted By s4s4u: While techically true, AFT has stated that anything longer than necessary for the function of the weapon is forbidden and I am pretty sure that is what was being pointed out. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By s4s4u: Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: There is no such thing as “length of pull” with a pistol While techically true, AFT has stated that anything longer than necessary for the function of the weapon is forbidden and I am pretty sure that is what was being pointed out. I don’t see how a rifle length buffer tube could be considered unnecessarily long for the function of the weapon. |
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Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: I don’t see how a rifle length buffer tube could be considered unnecessarily long for the function of the weapon. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: Originally Posted By s4s4u: Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: There is no such thing as “length of pull” with a pistol While techically true, AFT has stated that anything longer than necessary for the function of the weapon is forbidden and I am pretty sure that is what was being pointed out. I don’t see how a rifle length buffer tube could be considered unnecessarily long for the function of the weapon. It’s not. If that were the case you would be legally required to use the shortest receiver extension available, which you aren’t. A rifle buffer requires a rifle length receiver extension in order to function. |
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Originally Posted By Sputnik556: It’s not. If that were the case you would be legally required to use the shortest receiver extension available, which you aren’t. A rifle buffer requires a rifle length receiver extension in order to function. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: Originally Posted By s4s4u: Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: There is no such thing as “length of pull” with a pistol While techically true, AFT has stated that anything longer than necessary for the function of the weapon is forbidden and I am pretty sure that is what was being pointed out. I don’t see how a rifle length buffer tube could be considered unnecessarily long for the function of the weapon. It’s not. If that were the case you would be legally required to use the shortest receiver extension available, which you aren’t. A rifle buffer requires a rifle length receiver extension in order to function. Exactly. |
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Originally Posted By Sputnik556: It’s not. If that were the case you would be legally required to use the shortest receiver extension available, which you aren’t. A rifle buffer requires a rifle length receiver extension in order to function. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Sputnik556: It’s not. If that were the case you would be legally required to use the shortest receiver extension available, which you aren’t. A rifle buffer requires a rifle length receiver extension in order to function. The only reference in the Final Rule on the subject: (iv) whether the surface area that allows the weapon to be fired from the shoulder is created by a buffer tube, receiver extension, or any other accessory, component, or other rearward attachment that is necessary for the cycle of operations; An AR-type pistol with a standard 6 to 6-1/2 inch buffer tube may not be designed and intended to be fired from the shoulder even if the buffer tube provides surface area that allows the firearm to be shoulder fired because it is required for the cycle of operations of the weapon. Take from it what you will? |
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I would assume (like anything else involving the atf) it's a grey area, open to THEIR interpretation. One could argue the a rifle tube is necessary for the function when using the rifle spring and buffer, but one could also argue that the rifle buffer/spring isn't necessary. The fact that they specified length is probably not an accident. Do what you want at home, but I wouldn't go wandering around in public with one.
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When I built my AR pistol back in 1993 I took a standard buffer tube and cut it down so the inside was the same depth as the buffer tube on my CAR. Turned down one part with a belt sander and drill. Stopped at a random welding shot, explained what I wanted welded, and decades later it still works. This tube is why the set screw takedown pin mod was done in the first place.
A carbine stock won't attach to a plain tube. Paladin eta: the shorty buffer tube takes standard carbine guts. |
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I'll see if I have pics of my 1st AR, a 16" straight pull bolt action pistol w/ a rifle buffer tube.
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I find this thread interesting... and I'm curious: why build a pistol with an A2 buffer tube? I absolutely get trying new and different things, and ignoring traditional approaches in the chase of discovery, style, innovations, or just fun.
I'm curious what the drive is on this build choice (the A2 buffer -- I too have bolt action uppers, and handguard-less uppers). Is it to use the buffer tube for shouldering at a convenient "pull length" w/o it being considered a stock? Backbencher, your particular build makes me think 2 things: 1) you're ATF safe (if previously stated concerns are valid) because if your pistol were determined by powers that be to be a rifle, you still meet BBL and OAL regs to not be in SBR territory. 2) I could never have posted that picture without some serious cropping. My gnarled toes might give rise to a false alarm I was caught up in an Ent moot. And Whiskeyballzzz: I'm paranoid, but at least I recognize there's middle ground in risk of sharing, and ways to mitigate risk while still, you know, participating with a subculture you actively sought out, and then joined. If you're that worried and still want to share, I suggest: A) a VPN to hide your true location, C) secondary/fake e-mail address you only use for firearm photo sharing, B) photo editing software so you can strip out any identifying meta-data, D) basic awareness of not including identifying characteristics in your photos. |
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Originally Posted By PreacherOfGadget: I find this thread interesting... and I'm curious: why build a pistol with an A2 buffer tube? I absolutely get trying new and different things, and ignoring traditional approaches in the chase of discovery, style, innovations, or just fun. I'm curious what the drive is on this build choice (the A2 buffer -- I too have bolt action uppers, and handguard-less uppers). Is it to use the buffer tube for shouldering at a convenient "pull length" w/o it being considered a stock? Backbencher, your particular build makes me think 2 things: 1) you're ATF safe (if previously stated concerns are valid) because if your pistol were determined by powers that be to be a rifle, you still meet BBL and OAL regs to not be in SBR territory. 2) I could never have posted that picture without some serious cropping. My gnarled toes might give rise to a false alarm I was caught up in an Ent moot. View Quote For me, I chose a rifle buffer tube as the pistol was a stepping stone to an A3 build, which was what I was issued in Coastal Warfare. Never did finish that build, the lower is now a registered SBR @ my BIL's and the upper and faux dissy bbl is wearing a rifle-length Magpul forend on a GWACS lower at the house of one of my groomsmen. The buffer tube over your shoulder gives you a good cheek weld, and the toes in the pic are happily my ex's. |
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