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Posted: 11/11/2018 2:59:13 PM EDT
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I mean hell, does anyone even MAKE a "Colt SMG" style upper with an FSB anymore?  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/11/2018 5:15:36 PM EDT
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I don't know if mine qualifies as "unorthodox" but I tend to think it is.
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Posted: 11/11/2018 11:43:28 PM EDT
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I had this idea to get a FM 9mm upper with the forward charging handle and put some hk style sights from RTG on it and make a faux-mp5 kinda thing. Thought it would change the gun up enough to make it less AR-like.
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Posted: 11/12/2018 8:02:45 AM EDT
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I wanted something different looking. Built this one.
Slick side upper from Brownells. XM177 style flash hider from Brownells. Standard AR15 lower with a mag. block in it to use the Colt style 32 round magazines. Fun to shoot. Oh, not that it matters for a build, but I used a Faxon bolt because it uses an AR15/.223 extractor. Lower is all standard AR15 parts. Until you put a magazine in it, it looks like a .223 Good luck with your build. Hope it works out the way you want it. Barrel was a 16" piece. Had it cut back, threaded, pinned/welded the XM177 flash hider on it to get it to legal length. |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 11:50:10 AM EDT
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I don't know if mine qualifies as "unorthodox" but I tend to think it is. http://www.fototime.com/EA663F1D8719BD8/standard.jpg This is probably a very stupid question but how hard is it to build a 9mm upper? There's no gas system to worry about, I imagine that's probably the most difficult part of an upper build, that and I suppose any headspacing issues. Unfortunately a lot of the pics from the picture thread on here have gone missing from the first half, and that's arguably the half I'm interested in (again, more retro stuff than new). From what I could find, here are some of the ones I dig. 
Anyone knows who made the upper in the above pic? 
After finding that last pic I went out and bought an RRA Entry stock. Those I really dig! |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 4:14:13 PM EDT
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The upper with short barrel and flip front sight (second from bottom) is a DOE upper. The original Colt DOE (department Of energy) uppers are hard to find and most here have had to source out individual parts and build themselves. Search the forums for DOE uppers.
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Posted: 11/12/2018 4:56:07 PM EDT
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Quite frankly I'm more of an old school retro or even WW2 fan when it come to weapons and what I see out there for 9mm uppers, with free float rails, swanky stock and no FSB, just doesn't get my jollies going. I mean hell, does anyone even MAKE a "Colt SMG" style upper with an FSB anymore? I used: Black slickside upper from Brownells. ($135) Bear Creek Arsenal 10.5" barrel from Primary Arms. ($59.77) 
Non-F-marked FSB from Brownells. ($20) Core 15 Barrel nut from Brownells. ($8) 3/4 port door and 9mm gas deflector- either from Brownells or JSE Surplus. (less than $20) A1 rear sight assembly with A2 aperture, both from Brownells. ($19+$8) Standard M4 handguard cap. Brownells was backordered so I got a generic one from Amazon ($5) Standard Delta ring assembly from Brownells ($10) A1 front sight post assembly (so I could use the same A1 sight tool as the rear) from Brownells. ($10) 1/2-36 A2 Flash suppressor with split washer. ($8+$1) OEM skinny handguards that I already had, I think they were on an upper I got from DelTon. The bolt (CMMG ramped) and charging handle (BCM medium) were from my previous upper. Standard sling swivel (leftover from another rifle), it's currently held in with a roll pin but I have the right rivet for once the FSB is pinned in place. I pressed a roll pin (I don't know the size, just slightly smaller than 3/16" and maybe 3/4" long) in the FSB gas tube hole to prevent rotation of the handguard cap. I drilled/tapped the bottom hole of the FSB 10-32 and used a setscrew to secure it. I'll be drilling and reaming the FSB for taper pins but I want to test fire it first before drilling into the barrel. The proper 2/0 taper reamer is about $25 on Amazon and I'm waiting on that to arrive anyway. 
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Posted: 11/12/2018 11:36:45 PM EDT
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This is kind of a KISS setup. I added the AVG just to try out and it's really not bad. Push comes to shove, I'd probably take it off. The sights are basic place holders that could easily be swapped for a carry handle and a fixed front, or folding for that DOE inspired look. I'm also using a Hahn Precision top load mag block. It's a little snug in this lower, but it fit perfectly in my friend's full auto M16 lower.
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Posted: 11/14/2018 12:12:42 AM EDT
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I don't know if mine qualifies as "unorthodox" but I tend to think it is. http://www.fototime.com/EA663F1D8719BD8/standard.jpg |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 2:52:40 AM EDT
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Awesome 9mm guys with the straight mags????????
Really mis my DOE build |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 2:57:13 PM EDT
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JSE Surplus has barrels and complete uppers with FSB.
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:09:26 AM EDT
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http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o262/O1gagt/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpslk5n7mz3.jpeg 10.5” Colt 9mm upper with A1 style handguards |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:32:59 AM EDT
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Quoted: Who has that upper? Shoot I'm getting a hard on without my Viagra! That would look good as a sbr with a C3 stock or a pistol with an SBM4 |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:32:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryDont know who made that particular one, but thats either a copy or original sub gun made for the dept of energy. Ive done a couple builds. This ones an all colt traditional type except for the upper reciever. It came with an A1 but I wanted the flattop option. As it sits here its in DM config. Always considered 300blk but IMHO 9mm out to 100yds is just fine. This things pretty damn accurate.  Attached FileThis is my PDW franken pistol. Troy fixed HK style irons 5" ADCO barrel Spikes tactical rail RRA ramped bolt CMMG dedicated 9mm lower SWR octane9  Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:55:21 PM EDT
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I love seeing other AR9's with Colt-style lowers. The Glock mag appeal never mattered to me.
My latest build, "Fourth and Nine" 
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Posted: 11/16/2018 1:12:19 PM EDT
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I love seeing other AR9's with Colt-style lowers. The Glock mag appeal never mattered to me. My latest build, "Fourth and Nine" https://preview.redd.it/cd2onxat92t11.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=34fe79f4ec0957c947483336a463f3da72148426 any particular spring/buffer/stock tinkering needed? |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 2:03:27 PM EDT
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I love seeing other AR9's with Colt-style lowers. The Glock mag appeal never mattered to me. My latest build, "Fourth and Nine" https://preview.redd.it/cd2onxat92t11.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=34fe79f4ec0957c947483336a463f3da72148426 |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 2:12:41 PM EDT
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......but PSA’s deal a few years back on 32 round metal form mags was too good to pass up at under $10 a mag with free shipping. I have box full of the old style C Products 32s. They're OK and work fine but I never liked the finish or tube wall thickness (had to modify your upper). Finally bought an ASC mag last week with orange follower and I REALLY LIKE it. Its on par with metalform if not better IMHO. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 4:42:02 PM EDT
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what bolt did you use? any particular spring/buffer/stock tinkering needed? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I love seeing other AR9's with Colt-style lowers. The Glock mag appeal never mattered to me. My latest build, "Fourth and Nine" https://preview.redd.it/cd2onxat92t11.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=34fe79f4ec0957c947483336a463f3da72148426 any particular spring/buffer/stock tinkering needed? I have a Spikes heavy 9mm buffer in it with standard carbine spring. Works perfectly with the SB PDW collapsable stock and proprietary tube. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 5:01:17 PM EDT
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Would hardly call this “unique,” but I did notice someone said they like Colt mag builds...
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Posted: 11/16/2018 5:05:44 PM EDT
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I kinda liked the Colt AR15A4 FDE, but could not justify another 5.56 rifle. So, went this way instead-
CMMG lower, Colt upper, BCG, RRA barrel. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 5:07:19 PM EDT
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Dont know who made that particular one, but thats either a copy or original sub gun made for the dept of energy. Ive done a couple builds. This ones an all colt traditional type except for the upper reciever. It came with an A1 but I wanted the flattop option. As it sits here its in DM config. Always considered 300blk but IMHO 9mm out to 100yds is just fine. This things pretty damn accurate. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/525/20181116_080637_jpg-740807.JPG This is my PDW franken pistol. Troy fixed HK style irons 5" ADCO barrel Spikes tactical rail RRA ramped bolt CMMG dedicated 9mm lower SWR octane9 https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/525/20181116_075732_jpg-740813.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/525/20181116_075807_jpg-740816.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/525/20181116_075941_jpg-740818.JPG |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 6:10:26 PM EDT
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"Old school" needs wood
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Posted: 11/17/2018 12:05:00 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/17/2018 12:16:38 AM EDT
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Where did you get the second upper? |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 11:17:52 AM EDT
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Here are a few of my 9MM's I prefer the COLT type mags also. But I do have one Glock mag build.
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Posted: 11/17/2018 11:19:27 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/17/2018 12:01:28 PM EDT
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How about belt fed? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/68932/20180222_194848__800x450__jpg-741535.JPG |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 12:04:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/17/2018 6:19:39 PM EDT
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The flattop for the colt? |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 6:34:03 PM EDT
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Thanks for all the pics guys! I'm taking a little bit from each of you for ideas.
I had a decision to make, Colt or Glock, and despite harping on "retro" I ended up going with a Stern mag block. While I'm making this as a toy primarily, I do want to shoot this in comp from time to time, and I already have a mountain of mags for my glocks. Don't really care for the look of the glock mags in an AR, I guess I can always swap it later. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 7:22:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/18/2018 3:17:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistorySorry to be the oaf in the thread, but I have no idea what that is beyond being an SBR.
Give me some help here, please? 
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Posted: 11/18/2018 3:47:57 PM EDT
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flattop >.> |
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Posted: 11/18/2018 3:51:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryColt.
@osprey21 |
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Posted: 11/18/2018 4:11:22 PM EDT
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Sorry to be the oaf in the thread, but I have no idea what that is beyond being an SBR. Give me some help here, please? http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_4/666635_Folding_DI_45_SBR__Round_2_.html |
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Posted: 11/24/2018 4:20:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/24/2018 7:29:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/24/2018 10:31:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryLt. Waters approves 
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Posted: 11/26/2018 9:22:59 AM EDT
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Lt. Waters approves https://www.hotflick.net/flicks/2003_Tears_of_the_Sun/003TOS_Bruce_Willis_009.jpg 
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Posted: 11/26/2018 1:19:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryIt’s a temporary option for now, simply because I had it sitting around. Despite the brands rep that sight never gave me any trouble, fwiw.
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Posted: 11/26/2018 7:42:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/27/2018 12:12:34 PM EDT
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Here is my PCC that I use for Steel Challenge.
PSA dedicated Colt lower, Aero Precision upper modified to a LH active charger, Faxon 16" barrel, PSA G-9 Hybrid bolt, Blitzkrieg hydraulic buffer with JP AR-10 spring, Double Star handguard, Timney 3# single stage trigger, Sanders Armory Tactical stock, and a C-More red dot. 
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