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Posted: 1/9/2023 1:14:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TXlife: What a bummer, had just started to stack the Okays. Forgive me if it's already been mentioned. When Okay Surefeeds are totally done, the closest/best replacement is Brownells ? I can't imagine the Brownells are any better than D&H, but maybe I'm wrong. D&H have been working for me just fine for 20+ years now. The E2 has the condom ribs and a follower made to work better with a specific new .mil cartridge is the only difference im aware of between other aluminum AR mags. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 2:17:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TXlife: What a bummer, had just started to stack the Okays. Forgive me if it's already been mentioned. When Okay Surefeeds are totally done, the closest/best replacement is Brownells ? The Brownells were Okays recently. They’re D&H right now. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 2:18:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: j3_]
[#3]
if you look at the information location on the new Brownell's black mags it is the same location as the latest D&H mags I have is. Date code stamped similar also. The Brownell's mags from the last couple of years match Okay mags as did the similar packaging for a time period. Ad copy claims what it claims but I still have doubts because of the similarities. Doesn't matter to me all three brands have worked fine for me.
Recent D&H and new Brownell's I received today. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1642/P1090136_JPG-2666447.JPG[ https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1642/P1090137_JPG-2666450.JPG |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 3:43:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TXlife: What a bummer, had just started to stack the Okays. Forgive me if it's already been mentioned. When Okay Surefeeds are totally done, the closest/best replacement is Brownells ? I wouldn't touch pro mag, duramag, or anything steel though. Good luck. |
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ND, USA
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Posted: 1/9/2023 3:55:39 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WIZZO_ARAKM14: Okays are #1 for me. Brownells have been good, but I only have 1-2 of them from years ago. Personally, D&H seem cheaper, but I haven't had too many issues with them (my issues are from 2007ish). I wouldn't touch pro mag, duramag, or anything steel though. Good luck. I've used the steel SHK mags without any problems. They are heavy though, also I'm sure if you used them enough & the coating gets scraped off they will be prone to rusting if not addressed right away. https://globalordnance.com/shk-30rd-steel-ar15-magazines-upc-00850003223070/ |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 4:04:33 PM EDT
[#6]
Okay, Brownells, and D&H for aluminum.
Pmags otherwise. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 4:50:29 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11C1P: Besides Botach where I've ordered most of my Okay's from I only found 2 other sites that have any in stock, but I've never dealt with either, so I'm not sure if they're any good to order from. This place has all 3 colors of the regular Surefeed (Same with Botach). https://wickedgrips.com/product/okay-ind-surefeed-classic-gi-ar-15-magazine-30rd-free-shipping-option/ They are out of the tan & grey E2's but still have black in, which last time I checked Botach, they were in the same boat. https://wickedgrips.com/product/okay-ind-surefeed-e2-ar15-magazine-30rd-free-shipping-option/ That place also has these painted ones, but having pictures on my mags isn't really my things so wouldn't want to pay the extra for it. https://wickedgrips.com/product/death-tarot-13-engraved-okay-surefeed-classic-gi-ar-magazine-tan/ https://i0.wp.com/wickedgrips.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Death-Tarot-mag-classic-tan-30-wicked-grips.jpg?resize=768%2C768&ssl=1 Thank you for the updates. I was able to grab some more tan E2's. They had 13 and I grabbed 6. Then this place seems to have only black in stock, but they offer a bit of a discount for either a 7 pack or case of 100. http://www.mcleodfirearms.com/okay-industries-30-round-magazines.html Anyone dealt with those 2 places before or seen them in stock anywhere else? I'm looking for E2's preferably in tan or grey. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 1/9/2023 5:02:02 PM EDT
[#8]
Sure feeds are ok...the rib for her pleasure feature is kinda annoying. I bought 3 at a premium because they announced they were going out of business. I just can't fathom spending over $10 for an GI mag so I stick to duramag with their anti tilt follower (Magpul clone)...I also buy pmags at under $10...
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ND, USA
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Posted: 1/9/2023 5:04:13 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Afteractionreport: Sure feeds are ok...the rib for her pleasure feature is kinda annoying. I bought 3 at a premium because they announced they were going out of business. I just can't fathom spending over $10 for an GI mag so I stick to duramag with their anti tilt follower (Magpul clone)...I also buy pmags at under $10... You know it's only the E2's that have the textured feature right? The regular Surefeeds don't have it & those are easier to find right now. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 5:43:51 PM EDT
[#10]
Surplus Ammo and DSArms both have the Surefeed 30s in black if any of you foot draggers still want in.
DSA has free ship for Arfcom members, check their Industry Forum here for details. |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 9:51:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: PursuitSS]
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheQuadfather The Brownells were Okays recently. They’re D&H right now. Brownell’s purchased Co-Line to manufacture their magazines. And Okay Industries NEVER produced magazines under the Brownell’s name!!! EVERY magazine that Okay has produced has their Cage Code - 33710 Read the comment at the bottom of the page…. 
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 1/10/2023 11:38:02 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PursuitSS: Brownell’s purchased Co-Line to manufacture their magazines. And Okay Industries NEVER produced magazines under the Brownell’s name!!! EVERY magazine that Okay has produced has their Cage Code - 33710 Read the comment at the bottom of the page…. https://i.imgur.com/Fl0PKRU.jpg |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 11:38:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PursuitSS: purchased Co-Line to manufacture their magazines. And Okay Industries NEVER produced magazines under the Brownell’s name!!! EVERY magazine that Okay has produced has their Cage Code - 33710 Read the comment at the bottom of the page…. https://i.imgur.com/Fl0PKRU.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PursuitSS: Originally Posted By TheQuadfather The Brownells were Okays recently. They’re D&H right now. purchased Co-Line to manufacture their magazines. And Okay Industries NEVER produced magazines under the Brownell’s name!!! EVERY magazine that Okay has produced has their Cage Code - 33710 Read the comment at the bottom of the page…. https://i.imgur.com/Fl0PKRU.jpg You might wanna look at the markings on the inside of some Brownells mags from ‘20-‘21…  |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 2:14:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: j3_]
[#14]
Wish Brownell's would comment of the current differences in their old contract mags and the similarities of the last listing and current mag listed having similar features of Okay mags and D&H mags respectively instead of older contract mags. But even saying Coline made the original and saying that can be a Brownell's made the mags would seem to say it is okay to have them manufactured by someone else too like Okay and D&H. To me the added plus either way is they say it is a Brownell's mag and their warranty or guarantee applies to it.
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Posted: 1/10/2023 4:07:44 PM EDT
[#15]
Okay stamped their Cage Code 33710 on every magazine they made and their name inside the magazine body
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Posted: 1/10/2023 7:26:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: j3_]
[#16]
Nope Only thing inside is K3 13 and 03 13. Nothing on the other side of the mag body. Surely no one would claim they did not make these other branded mags. May have even been close to the last year these were made.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1642/P1100124_JPG-2667791.JPG |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 9:35:46 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By j3_: Nope Only thing inside is K3 13 and 03 13. Nothing on the other side of the mag body. Surely no one would claim they did not make these other branded mags. May have even been close to the last year these were made. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1642/P1100127_JPG-2667790.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1642/P1100124_JPG-2667791.JPG That’s how Okay stamped em inside. Date code and an o on one half, k on the other |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 10:37:00 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheQuadfather: That’s how Okay stamped em inside. Date code and an o on one half, k on the other He's right. ^^^^ |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 11:26:28 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By j3_: Nope Only thing inside is K3 13 and 03 13. Nothing on the other side of the mag body. Surely no one would claim they did not make these other branded mags. May have even been close to the last year these were made. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1642/P1100127_JPG-2667790.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1642/P1100124_JPG-2667791.JPG Back after the ban, I was relatively sure I remembered hearing they didn't want their name tied to consumer mags, only LE/Mil, so they started branding the NHMTG floor plates so the Okay name wasn't associated with the plebes or something like that. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 2:37:16 PM EDT
[#20]
@bulls_i seemed to be associated with Okay Ind. somehow, maybe we can get an updated comment on the status of things?
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Posted: 1/11/2023 6:09:46 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WIZZO_ARAKM14: Back after the ban, I was relatively sure I remembered hearing they didn't want their name tied to consumer mags, only LE/Mil, so they started branding the NHMTG floor plates so the Okay name wasn't associated with the plebes or something like that. Total Bullshit. NHMTG was a name OWNED by a third party company that Okay was manufacturing magazines for. Okay decided they didn’t want them selling their magazines that Okay produced, that’s when they started selling magazines to Joe Public that were Okay marked. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 6:30:48 PM EDT
[#22]
Ronan Corp was distributing Okay Industries magazines to the commercial market under the NHMTG brand name up until mid 2Ks.
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Posted: 1/11/2023 8:26:58 PM EDT
[#23]
Not sure that the early year NHMTG mags were available except to LE and not because of the ban. 2008 ones I have are cage code marked. I think I first remember seeing them listed on police supply sites that I could not order from for a while.
I don't remember noticing a cage code on some of the Brownell's mags like maybe 2006 and 2010. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 9:03:19 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By j3_: I don't remember noticing a cage code on some of the Brownell's mags like maybe 2006 and 2010. My Brownells mags ('10/'11/'13/'15) are CAGE stamped. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 9:16:24 PM EDT
[#25]
Where in case I looked wrong place?
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Posted: 1/11/2023 9:19:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TGWLDR]
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By j3_: Where in case I looked wrong place?  Attached FileEdit: Is the pic clear? Uploaded here it looks blurred to hell, crystal clear on my phone. 
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Posted: 1/11/2023 9:27:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: j3_]
[#27]
will have to keep digging for the 10. here is a 06, couple of 8 and a 9 that is faint.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1642/P1110128_JPG-2668977.JPG |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 9:27:46 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PursuitSS: Total Bullshit. NHMTG was a name OWNED by a third party company that Okay was manufacturing magazines for. Okay decided they didn’t want them selling their magazines that Okay produced, that’s when they started selling magazines to Joe Public that were Okay marked. North Helvetia Manufacturing and Trade Group Co owned by the president of Ronan Corp and a former CEO of Colt. The company was dissolved in IIRC 2014 when one owner died and the other wanted to cease operations. That’s when Okay started marking the commercial mags as Surefeeds and selling them directly to distributors. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 9:37:37 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By j3_: will have to keep digging for the 10. here is a 06, couple of 8 and a 9 that is faint. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1642/P1110128_JPG-2668977.JPG Green or tan followers? |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 9:43:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: j3_]
[#30]
all green here are some 13's
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1642/P1110129_JPG-2669010.JPG |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 9:59:42 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By j3_: all green here are some 13's https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1642/P1110129_JPG-2669010.JPG Mine are all tan followers. I wonder if that's the difference regarding CAGE marked vs no CAGE? |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 10:07:42 PM EDT
[#32]
I don't think I have a cage code marked Brownell's mag until the 2018 ones that started to have features that look like Okay mags to me.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/11/2023 10:30:21 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By speedracer422: I can't imagine the Brownells are any better than D&H, but maybe I'm wrong. D&H have been working for me just fine for 20+ years now. The E2 has the condom ribs and a follower made to work better with a specific new .mil cartridge is the only difference im aware of between other aluminum AR mags. The blue follower was different only to avoid patent infringement. This was confirmed in a previous thread per an employee of Okay. The last E2 magazines made had the same green followers as the standard Surefeed magazines. The feedlips are different on the E2s to present the rounds at a different angle. The follower has nothing to do with it. Look at the difference in the feedlips. OKAY/SUREFEED MAGAZINES |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 11:54:25 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sj586: The blue follower was different only to avoid patent infringement. This was confirmed in a previous thread per an employee of Okay. The last E2 magazines made had the same green followers as the standard Surefeed magazines. The feedlips are different on the E2s to present the rounds at a different angle. The follower has nothing to do with it. Look at the difference in the feedlips. OKAY/SUREFEED MAGAZINES Thanks...I thought it was the follower that changed. Not that I'm shooting up any awesome new .mil ammo where it matters or anything lol. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 1/12/2023 1:15:25 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11C1P: You know it's only the E2's that have the textured feature right? The regular Surefeeds don't have it & those are easier to find right now. I didn't. I'll check em out thanks... |
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Posted: 1/12/2023 8:56:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PursuitSS: Total Bullshit. NHMTG was a name OWNED by a third party company that Okay was manufacturing magazines for. Okay decided they didn't want them selling their magazines that Okay produced, that's when they started selling magazines to Joe Public that were Okay marked. Forgive me if I flubbed it up 
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Posted: 1/12/2023 10:43:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WIZZO_ARAKM14: Hey, I was going off of foggy memories from nearing 20yrs ago. Forgive me if I flubbed it up Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WIZZO_ARAKM14: Originally Posted By PursuitSS: Total Bullshit. NHMTG was a name OWNED by a third party company that Okay was manufacturing magazines for. Okay decided they didn't want them selling their magazines that Okay produced, that's when they started selling magazines to Joe Public that were Okay marked. Forgive me if I flubbed it up I bought some nhmtg mags back in the day when mags were around $25. I was told they were Colt mags I was also told my CMT lowers were made by Colt as well... people seemed to just attribute everything to Colt back then as a sales pitch I think lol. |
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Posted: 1/12/2023 10:45:27 AM EDT
[#38]
Colt=NHMTG=Okay.
All made on the same tooling at the same place by the same people. |
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Posted: 1/12/2023 11:15:45 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HeavyMetal: Colt=NHMTG=Okay. All made on the same tooling at the same place by the same people. This. |
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Posted: 1/12/2023 1:01:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TGWLDR: This. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TGWLDR: Originally Posted By HeavyMetal: Colt=NHMTG=Okay. All made on the same tooling at the same place by the same people. This. Ah cool and good to know! |
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Posted: 1/12/2023 4:05:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HeavyMetal: Colt=NHMTG=Okay. All made on the same tooling at the same place by the same people. And ALL stamped with 33710 on the magazine body. |
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Posted: 1/12/2023 4:42:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: j3_]
[#42]
nope not all
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Posted: 1/12/2023 4:48:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By j3_: nope not all https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1642/P1120131_JPG-2669600.JPG 
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Posted: 1/12/2023 6:59:07 PM EDT
[#44]
date codes are NOT cage codes.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/12/2023 7:00:30 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By j3_: nope not all https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1642/P1120131_JPG-2669600.JPG again, date codes are NOT government cage codes. |
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Posted: 1/12/2023 7:15:44 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By PursuitSS: And ALL stamped with 33710 on the magazine body. Originally Posted By j3_: nope not all https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1642/P1120131_JPG-2669600.JPG Originally Posted By tacton: again, date codes are NOT government cage codes. You should reread things.
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Posted: 1/12/2023 7:35:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: j3_]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tacton: again, date codes are NOT government cage codes. I wasn't going to post these but since you don't seem to like date codes here some old mags from a couple of different time periods that used to have black followers. I was surprised after looking at all my mags how very few Colt mags I had and sadly no General Stamping mag.  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1642/P1120132_JPG-2669818.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1642/P1120135_JPG-2669819.JPG |
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Posted: 1/12/2023 8:29:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TGWLDR]
[#48]
Some Okay info....(AFAIK, it is accurate).
Okay Industries (sometimes referred to as "Circle Kay," made magazines that spanned three eras: Month only. Stamping on the inside of the magazine would be KXX on one side and XX on the other side. An example would be a magazine stamped 'K4″ on one side and "04" on the other side. This indicates April manufacture, but no year. Okay replaced this identification scheme with a full month and year scheme (KXX/YY). KXX stamped mags are often misidentified as postban magazines. Okay switched to the KXX/YY date code after the KXX scheme. So a postban magazine made in April of '04 would be marked "K04/04" and "04 04;" not simply "K04" and "04." Postban Okays also have Okay stamped on the body, along with an external date code stamp (see below for that formatting).Month and Year (internal only). Stamping on the inside of the magazine would be KXX/YY on one side and XX/YY on the other side. An example would be a magazine stamped 'K4 86″ on one side and "04 86" on the other side. This would indicate the magazine body was stamped in April of 1986. Month and Year (external & internal). Same stamping scheme as above, internally, but also stamped externally with the month and year (X - YY, or XX - YY) and CAGE code "33710". Okay mags that are externally date stamped are also internally date stamped. |
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Posted: 1/12/2023 9:21:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: j3_]
[#49]
If you look at the drawings in the older data package that was online the notes for the mag do not appear to mention a mag body marking requirement and the print has revisions up to 1988. The Floorplate on its old print does mention a marking for maker. If you look in the new drawings it has the notes for the code and date an allows the other info. Must be why some new newer Center mags have blank floorplates. Not sure how to reference the revisions on the newer drawing to see when the marking note was added.
Thought it used be posted here but don't see it. There is some info about companies in the old troy's magazine faq. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/12/2023 10:54:55 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By j3_: Nope Only thing inside is K3 13 and 03 13. Nothing on the other side of the mag body. Surely no one would claim they did not make these other branded mags. May have even been close to the last year these were made. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1642/P1100124_JPG-2667791.JPG given that only military contract items require cage codes, those NHTMG mags could have been for state/local LEOs or commercial sales. i still have a dated full case in storage from someone's 2009 contract w. magpul followers. also have several hundred okays purchased over the past year with various dates and colors; tan (USGI contract), green (surefeed) and blue ( E2). all have cage codes. regardless of when produced, okay has been the one mag that stands over all the rest. |
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