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Originally Posted By olds442tyguy: So am I seeing this right that it has holes going through the barrel extension/receiver too? Looks like they’re trying to dump pressure as soon as possible. I thought one of those was the emergency blow out hole, and there's a plug in it normally. I feel like I saw that in a review article. Edit: I can't find the article again. But something I read over the last few weeks, either on the SFAR or 716i, ... I think on the barrel extension is an emergency blowout screw that helps relieve a blown case. Picture of it somewhere. |
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Originally Posted By backbencher: Spoiler Alert: All of the small frame manufacturers will tie each others' production up w/ lawsuits & the industry will gradually coalesce onto the Rock River FAL magazine platform.  Saw this in Cabelas today and thought of this comment. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Saw this in Cabelas today and thought of this comment. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/129950/236DAA04-C4B3-461E-BD49-EC798863856C_jpe-2521556.JPG Some poor fool will buy that then be screwed when the bolt grenades after a few hundred rounds.
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Originally Posted By Rickesis: Probably a workaround for the DPMS patent on flutes under the barrel extension. Originally Posted By Rickesis: Originally Posted By FightingHellfish: That’s a lot of vent holes. I wonder how they arrived at that decision. Probably a workaround for the DPMS patent on flutes under the barrel extension. You're probably right, I was just thinking .308 has a LOT more gas volume than .223. Or maybe they subcontracted the bolt carrier to the Swiss? |
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Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Saw this in Cabelas today and thought of this comment. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/129950/236DAA04-C4B3-461E-BD49-EC798863856C_jpe-2521556.JPG Is that an ArmaLite A2 with a SR 25/DPMS mag well? |
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Originally Posted By FightingHellfish: How much? You buy it local in AZ? Originally Posted By FightingHellfish: Originally Posted By ArizonaRifleman: I fent. I really shouldn't have have but it was a belated B day present to myself. How much? You buy it local in AZ? $1,206.70 to include shipping, taxes, and insurance, at Grabagun. Knowing the FFL that it's going to, he probably already has it in stock but he's closed today I probably should have at least tried to hit the SW at Frontier Village first, but they aren't known at least up here for having new stuff unlike Boris at Desert Eagle or Bill at the Trading Post. |
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Originally Posted By arbob: Is that an ArmaLite A2 with a SR 25/DPMS mag well? Originally Posted By arbob: Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Saw this in Cabelas today and thought of this comment. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/129950/236DAA04-C4B3-461E-BD49-EC798863856C_jpe-2521556.JPG Is that an ArmaLite A2 with a SR 25/DPMS mag well? Nope that's one of the old Bushmaster's that uses FAL mags. |
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People who don't like motorcycles are just... weird.
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Originally Posted By ctfish15: I'm wondering if all those vent holes are bad for at-ear suppression of the SFAR, compared to an equal-barrel full size AR10. Does the POF Rogue have such vents? You could always tap & plug them, @ the risk of further damage if a case lets go. |
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| I posted this in the GD thread as well, but I bought a 16" SFAR that will be at my FFL on Wednesday of this coming week. I paid $1030 plus $30 shipping. |
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Originally Posted By ctfish15: I'm wondering if all those vent holes are bad for at-ear suppression of the SFAR, compared to an equal-barrel full size AR10. Does the POF Rogue have such vents? The Rogue has vents on the bolt carrier, but not that many, and definitely none forward of the receiver. |
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Originally Posted By adavis: Did the walls on the bolt face look similar to a traditional AR15 in terms of thickness, or more like an AR10/large frame AR? I guarantee the bolt face wall thickness is much less than either an AR15 (5.56) or AR10 bolt. This is why POF uses (supposedly) AerMet100 steel for Rogue/Revolution bolts. |
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Originally Posted By vmpglenn: I guarantee the bolt face wall thickness is much less than either an AR15 (5.56) or AR10 bolt. This is why POF uses (supposedly) AerMet100 steel for Rogue/Revolution bolts. Originally Posted By vmpglenn: Originally Posted By adavis: Did the walls on the bolt face look similar to a traditional AR15 in terms of thickness, or more like an AR10/large frame AR? I guarantee the bolt face wall thickness is much less than either an AR15 (5.56) or AR10 bolt. This is why POF uses (supposedly) AerMet100 steel for Rogue/Revolution bolts. Ruger too uses unicorn metal "Bolt and barrel extensions are CNC-machined from high-strength super alloy steel that outperforms traditional C158 bolts" |
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Originally Posted By vmpglenn: I guarantee the bolt face wall thickness is much less than either an AR15 (5.56) or AR10 bolt. This is why POF uses (supposedly) AerMet100 steel for Rogue/Revolution bolts. I'm assuming this is the case as well but I'd like to see it for myself. Apparently those Rogue bolts aren't exactly unbreakable. |
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Originally Posted By adavis: I'm assuming this is the case as well but I'd like to see it for myself. Apparently those Rogue bolts aren't exactly unbreakable. I think broken bolts *almost* always follow from chasing MV. From using Hornady Superformance to hot handloads, there are plenty of ways to break bolts... 
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Originally Posted By Izhevsk54r: screen grab from their marketing vid https://i.imgur.com/CyAKrMsh.png https://i.imgur.com/i5e2muZh.png Interesting. I think I'm in for one either way but definitely interested to see a caliper on one of these. |
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Originally Posted By adavis: Interesting. I think I'm in for one either way but definitely interested to see a caliper on one of these. Originally Posted By adavis: Originally Posted By Izhevsk54r: screen grab from their marketing vid https://i.imgur.com/CyAKrMsh.png https://i.imgur.com/i5e2muZh.png Interesting. I think I'm in for one either way but definitely interested to see a caliper on one of these. Huh. Where did I see a bolt with one big ejector? Must have been the Rogue Edit: rogue has one |
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Originally Posted By ctfish15: Also, did you see that the SFAR carrier gas key only has one screw? So does the POF Rogue, but the gas key is also dovetailed into the bolt carrier. |
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Originally Posted By vmpglenn: So does the POF Rogue, but the gas key is also dovetailed into the bolt carrier. Originally Posted By vmpglenn: Originally Posted By ctfish15: Also, did you see that the SFAR carrier gas key only has one screw? So does the POF Rogue, but the gas key is also dovetailed into the bolt carrier. Interesting |
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Question. Does anyone have an official weight on the POF Rogue, not the weight from their website? The reason I ask is because I was recently reading a review for the POF (American Rifleman POF Rogue review) and they claimed an actual weight of 6lbs 3oz vs the POF claimed 5.9lbs. So if you started replicating furniture from one to the other, and keep everything the same, I think you'd be talking a weight difference in ounces vs say a pound. Just my thoughts. |
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Right, so if the actual weight of the POF is more than stated, and you could do a stock swap, then their dang close. Makes me wonder how much weight you'd cut if you were able to remove the forward assist, or if a AR15 upper would fit, throw a side charger on their (w/modification of course). I'm willing to bet you'd be within 3-4oz. To me, throwing an extra $700-900 for a few ounce savings is just not worth it to me (and I've been on the fence for awhile with the POF). But when reading the reliability issues that some owners of the Rogue experience, I just can't bring myself to buy one. Especially if the Ruger proves to be a reliable performer. Either way, I'll give it time for the new Ruger to get some field use and get a pile of user reviews out there before I pull the trigger. |
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Originally Posted By ctfish15: I wonder if the AR article includes magazine weight? The article claims empty weight, so I'd assume no mag or anything. |
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Originally Posted By jasonprox700: Right, so if the actual weight of the POF is more than stated, and you could do a stock swap, then their dang close. Makes me wonder how much weight you'd cut if you were able to remove the forward assist, or if a AR15 upper would fit, throw a side charger on their (w/modification of course). I'm willing to bet you'd be within 3-4oz. To me, throwing an extra $700-900 for a few ounce savings is just not worth it to me (and I've been on the fence for awhile with the POF). But when reading the reliability issues that some owners of the Rogue experience, I just can't bring myself to buy one. Especially if the Ruger proves to be a reliable performer. Either way, I'll give it time for the new Ruger to get some field use and get a pile of user reviews out there before I pull the trigger. Would you feel better with a roller cam pin in the Ruger? That's one difference I saw on the carrier, but it's not $700 different. Someone already pointed out they both have just one gas key screw. |
| Honestly, the roller cam pin doesn't do it for me. I get that the 308 generates more pressure, however, I've owned two 308 AR's without roller cam pins and they've held up just fine over a few thousand rounds. I have seen reviews online of guys claiming the roller cam pin has busted off, can't really say I've seen that with the standard AR pin. However, like anything else, there's probably 10 of thousands of users out there who have never had a problem and most likely will not (given proper maintenance). |
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Link dump. Here is POF Rogue bolt details. Might have changed slightly from earlier releases. https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/POF-Rogue-308-uses-a-5-56-diameter-bolt-/121-764354/? Lots of good photos in there. I am still concerned about bolt size but have to count on the unicorn metal to alleviate thickness concerns. Here is the article showing the single oversize ejector on someone's "standard ar10" bolt (not the rogue or sfar). Finally found where I had seen it. Other ar10s use two ejectors so I don't know who's standard this is. https://www.firearmsnews.com/editorial/pof-usa-rogue-308-win-ar-15-rifle-review/464255  I still haven't re-found the photo of the barrel extension pressure release plug. |
I've found only one review of the SFAR.  Failed To Load Title |
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Aha, found it. https://www.sigtalk.com/threads/716i-tread-barrel-screw.427532/ It's the sig tread 716i, "backs up the extractor in case of a catastrophic failure" . So it's not a vent. 
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Originally Posted By ctfish15: Aha, found it. https://www.sigtalk.com/threads/716i-tread-barrel-screw.427532/ It's the sig tread 716i, "backs up the extractor in case of a catastrophic failure" . So it's not a vent. https://www.sigtalk.com/cdn-cgi/image/format=auto,onerror=redirect,width=1920,height=1920,fit=scale-down/https://www.sigtalk.com/attachments/th-jpeg.472846/ Originally Posted By ctfish15: Aha, found it. https://www.sigtalk.com/threads/716i-tread-barrel-screw.427532/ It's the sig tread 716i, "backs up the extractor in case of a catastrophic failure" . So it's not a vent. https://www.sigtalk.com/cdn-cgi/image/format=auto,onerror=redirect,width=1920,height=1920,fit=scale-down/https://www.sigtalk.com/attachments/th-jpeg.472846/ "backs up the extractor in case of a catastrophic failure How does it accomplish this? How does it back it up? |
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Originally Posted By Ky_Bob: How does it accomplish this? How does it back it up? Originally Posted By Ky_Bob: Originally Posted By ctfish15: Aha, found it. https://www.sigtalk.com/threads/716i-tread-barrel-screw.427532/ It's the sig tread 716i, "backs up the extractor in case of a catastrophic failure" . So it's not a vent. https://www.sigtalk.com/cdn-cgi/image/format=auto,onerror=redirect,width=1920,height=1920,fit=scale-down/https://www.sigtalk.com/attachments/th-jpeg.472846/ "backs up the extractor in case of a catastrophic failure How does it accomplish this? How does it back it up? Dunno. More unicorn features. |
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Originally Posted By ctfish15: Dunno. More unicorn features. Originally Posted By ctfish15: Originally Posted By Ky_Bob: Originally Posted By ctfish15: Aha, found it. https://www.sigtalk.com/threads/716i-tread-barrel-screw.427532/ It's the sig tread 716i, "backs up the extractor in case of a catastrophic failure" . So it's not a vent. https://www.sigtalk.com/cdn-cgi/image/format=auto,onerror=redirect,width=1920,height=1920,fit=scale-down/https://www.sigtalk.com/attachments/th-jpeg.472846/ "backs up the extractor in case of a catastrophic failure How does it accomplish this? How does it back it up? Dunno. More unicorn features. Looks like it blows out if there's significant overpressure. |
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I picked up my 16" SFAR from my FFL a couple of hours ago. Weighing it on my cheapo bathroom scale with an unloaded mag, no sling, and a Monstrum Tactical Spectre 1-6 LPVO on it, it weighs 8.6 lbs. Monstrum's website says the optic and mount weigh 17 oz, the mag is supposed to weigh 7.2 oz and the rifle 6.8 pounds. So that about adds right up at 8.4 lbs from published specs. To me that falls within margin of error of the shit scale. ETA: I weighed it on a better scale and in the above configuration it weighs exactly 8.5 pounds. |
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Originally Posted By jasonprox700: Question. Does anyone have an official weight on the POF Rogue, not the weight from their website? The reason I ask is because I was recently reading a review for the POF (American Rifleman POF Rogue review) and they claimed an actual weight of 6lbs 3oz vs the POF claimed 5.9lbs. So if you started replicating furniture from one to the other, and keep everything the same, I think you'd be talking a weight difference in ounces vs say a pound. Just my thoughts. My Rogue was pretty close to advertised, but it had an 11" handguard, minimal gb, and tiny muzzle device.  Once I added a Dictator AGB, a Griffin minimalist brake and maybe added a little weight to the buffer (can't remember) it picked up a little weight.  Still a super light package for what it was, and is handy even dressed out for hunting. Kind of ruins you for LFARs.   I think the SFAR is probably around the same "base weight" as the Rogue (maybe a smidge more for the heavier barrel), but I comes with a longer handguard and more substantial muzzle device, AGB and stock out of the box. One of the newer videos up in YT says the extra holes in the carrier are for directing gas away from the shooter when shooting suppressed... Not sure I understand how that works, but some mitigation would be welcome given the MLGS. |
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