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That’s a nice piece for sure! When it comes to the modification to the upper for the proper fitment is there video online or pics? I’m afraid of butchering a new upper...
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What bolt are you using with the scorpion mags? Does the CMMG stuff already work with these mags?
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Quoted: What bolt are you using with the scorpion mags? Does the CMMG stuff already work with these mags? View Quote I'm gonna be using the radial delayed bcg. As far as compatibility, well, I have no idea! Scorpion mag lowers aren't yet common enough for info on that. But tinkering and figuring out new ways to do stuff is half the fun anyway. |
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They ruined it for me with the full size magwell. And I was so looking forward to this.
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Quoted: They ruined it for me with the full size magwell. And I was so looking forward to this. View Quote I understand your feelings, I am also mildly disappointed by that. Something like the Wraithworks Warscorp-9 would've been ideal, but that gun is currently vaporware and might have proprietary receivers anyway. Maybe if NFA releases a raw lower you could mill off a bunch of the magwell before coating it? |
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Maybe if NFA releases a raw lower you could mill off a bunch of the magwell before coating it? View Quote Which they could easily do before they anodize. I will just stick with my Endomags. |
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Looking forward to seeing your results, I think you should have success and worst case may have to relieve the mag release a bit to lower the feed height.
BTW, not trying to be a jerk but you keep calling the ejector the extractor in your original post. |
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Please post a pic with a mag inserted once your mags arrive.
This interests me. |
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Thanks for the updates and pictures.
The full size lower doesn't look out of place with the scorpion mag....in my opinion. It looks much better then a full size magwell/lower with a glock mag. I am not anti-glock mag, just hate the look of them in a lower that isn't sized for them. I have been eyeing the MP 5 mag version from NFA, but have no MP 5 mags........honestly, I have no scorpion mags either, but scorpion mags (as we all know) are much cheaper and very plentiful with a number of manufacturers. Even though I would have to buy scorpion mags, this could be a fun 4th 9mm AR build......haha. If nothing else, just for the looks of the nice curved mag:) |
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Answered your PM.....now I see Ohio.....was hopin you were closer I'll try and get one of these on order next week.....
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Good news! The Manticore Arms Scorpion mags with metal feed lips have plenty of clearance with no modifications needed for the RDB carrier or the mag release. So if you are okay with using just these mags, you can get it running with minor modifications (removing ejector, trimming feed ramp).
Pros: *Less modification needed *Activates the LRBHO better than the Pmags. *Fits more snugly, less play in all directions. *Steel feed lips and transparent mag body. Cons: *Harder to find than any other Scorpion mags. *Doesn't drop freely. *3 fewer rounds compared to Pmags. *Magwell scrapes up the 12 round marker and you can't see it when inserted |
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The full size lower doesn't look out of place with the scorpion mag....in my opinion. View Quote Ya it's not as bad as I thought. If they milled off that lip on the lower leading edge of the lower it would look even better tho. |
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I got pretty excited when I found this thread.
I really hope it works out! |
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You mention trimming the feed ramp. Can you give more detail on that?
I keep getting excited about this, but then keep remembering that they don't even list the lower on their website yet....could be a long wait. Still very interested though...very. |
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Quoted: You mention trimming the feed ramp. Can you give more detail on that? I keep getting excited about this, but then keep remembering that they don't even list the lower on their website yet....could be a long wait. Still very interested though...very. View Quote I took about 1/8" off the top of the feed ramp lips and slightly reprofiled them. I'll post a pic later. If you want to buy the lower, send them an email via their website and specify that you want to buy an S-9 lower. They will hook you up. |
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So if you wanted to just go simple blowback (maybe go RDB later) besides the upper needing to be wider in the mag area, will it run with a glock cut 9mm bolt?
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That looks easy enough.
Since there doesn't seem to be any C-5 uppers available, did you ever try mill a normal upper to fit the wider mag? I know you talked a bit about it early on. Do you know if the depth of the cuts to widen it are specific, or just do enough so the mag fits? I have bolts/barrels to do either simple blow back or RDB. I have emailed and received an initial response. Waiting to hear back about price. Thanks for the heads up. |
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Quoted: That looks easy enough. Since there doesn't seem to be any C-5 uppers available, did you ever try mill a normal upper to fit the wider mag? I know you talked a bit about it early on. Do you know if the depth of the cuts to widen it are specific, or just do enough so the mag fits? I have bolts/barrels to do either simple blow back or RDB. I have emailed and received an initial response. Waiting to hear back about price. Thanks for the heads up. View Quote I did make an attempt to modify a junk upper I had, however I don't have a proper milling machine so it didn't work very well. (I need a milling machine, someone please give me $$$) I don't know the exact height of the relief cuts, but it would probably be about halfway between the mag at normal height and the mag pushed up as far as possible (as seen in the pics with the Magpul mags inserted). I would probably recommend using simple blowback at this point, because it should work with no mods. Not everybody wants to tinker to make their gun function. Unless you are fine with just using the Manticore Scorpion hybrid mags, because the mods needed are pretty simple. |
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Little did I know, I already seem to have a C-5 upper!
Attached File This is on my one blow back glock mag NFA lower with PDW brace. If nothing else, I will be to try straight blowback and have the upper to be able to match the cuts. I have a smaller milling machine, so should be pretty easy. Knowing that I have this....makes me feel more positive about ordering the lower...once they get back to me with price....hopefully Monday. Attached File |
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Well, I bought a scorpion magpul mag locally today.
I guess I have to buy the lower now;) |
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Another option for an upper is to use one modified for AK mags like the PSA Gen 1 KS47 upper. (I say Gen 1 because the Gen 2's have stops in the upper to prevent over insertion of an AK mag which I don't if they would interfere with Scorpion mags...although I presume you could cut them off if they did).
I have several old DPMS Lo Pro's and Hi Riders that were clearanced for AK mags and drums which I think would work fine also. However, I personally would go with the PSA upper since the CMMG RDB retains the use of the forward assist and the KS47 upper still has that so it would be usable (I know some people hate the FA but that is another discussion). |
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Quoted: Another option for an upper is to use one modified for AK mags like the PSA Gen 1 KS47 upper. (I say Gen 1 because the Gen 2's have stops in the upper to prevent over insertion of an AK mag which I don't if they would interfere with Scorpion mags...although I presume you could cut them off if they did). I have several old DPMS Lo Pro's and Hi Riders that were clearanced for AK mags and drums which I think would work fine also. However, I personally would go with the PSA upper since the CMMG RDB retains the use of the forward assist and the KS47 upper still has that so it would be usable (I know some people hate the FA but that is another discussion). View Quote Funny you should say that, I am waiting on a Gibbz G47 side charging upper to complete this build. I would use a normal C-5 upper but you need the cam pin slot and full length ejection port for the RDB to work properly. |
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I was just looking at those uppers too. Hopefully you have it soon.
You cost me $213.99 today. Let the games begin! |
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Picked mine up from my FFL today.
Looks real nice. It will not work with my bufferless upper set up that I pictured recently. That is ok. I want to build a whole new pistol anyway. This will just be straight blowback. I have a CMMG RDB setup, so this will be fine as normal. How long are the Gibbz uppers taking to get? Attached File |
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Quoted: Picked mine up from my FFL today. Looks real nice. It will not work with my bufferless upper set up that I pictured recently. That is ok. I want to build a whole new pistol anyway. This will just be straight blowback. I have a CMMG RDB setup, so this will be fine as normal. How long are the Gibbz uppers taking to get? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/3591/20200822_124835_jpg-1557231.JPG View Quote I ordered the upper on 7/23 and it's on the way, I should have it Monday. Still listed as backordered, they are probably trying to fill all their orders. So probably a month or less. I'll post more pics when it comes in. Definitely excited to get this project running. (Oh, and just curious, is your serial number still in the single digits?) |
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I forgot about that. Yes, single digit.
I have found a couple C-5 standard uppers im stock. Can't decide if I want to go side charger or not. If I go side charger, I will go with the Gibbz with the latching charging handle. |
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I was looking at my bufferless upper again. I know it is a C5 cut receiver, so why wouldn't my mag fit inside the upper????
I am beginning to think that the Magpul mags are a different geometry at the top (like you showed in regards to working/not working with the RDB bolt) to fit inside the upper deep enough. I will have my NFA "certified" C5 stripped upper on Thursday and I will be able to double check. I wouldn't be surprised if unmodified magpul mags do not slide in and latch with the upper in place. It looks like a very easy fix, by removing a small about from the top outside edges of the mags. I also have a couple PSA AK 9mm mags coming to try as well. Also....ended up with 2 S-5 lowers, so one may be a simple blow back and one may be RDB.....after you figure all the RDB mods out for me:) I hope you don't mind me posting in your thread. Just hope people find it interesting. |
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Thanks for the pictures, it looks great. I don't think the mag well is full sized, I just think the geometry and material of the skorpion mags necessitates a bigger magwell.
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Quoted: IT LIVES! https://i.imgur.com/fIAmAq1l.jpg https://i.imgur.com/qin8Ig5l.jpg https://i.imgur.com/FHCSVFhl.jpg https://i.imgur.com/JEB6vkZl.jpg So the Gibbz G47 upper does work. The mag overtravel stops need to be shaved down to clear the feedramp, and a slight relief cut for the LRBHO retainer is necessary. So far it only works with Manticore Arms hybrid mags, will have to see if it can be modified for Magpuls, etc., but it is running so I'm happy for now. BUILD LIST: NFA S-9 lower Gibbz G47 upper CMMG Guard 8" barrel+bcg SBA3 brace Midwest Industries Combat Rail Magpul K2 grip Strike Industries Multi-Function Endplate, flat-wire spring with H buffer, and Cobra AFG Rise Armament RA-140 trigger Seekins 60 degree safety and Rook flash hider PRI fixed sights Manticore Arms Hybrid Scorpion mags View Quote Nice work! |
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Great build!
I just order what NFA says is their last S-9 lower in stock. This should be a fun one to put together |
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I know you aren't asking me, but mine was $213.99 to my FFL.
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Quoted: I probably helped them sell a couple of those View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Great build! I just order what NFA says is their last S-9 lower in stock. This should be a fun one to put together I probably helped them sell a couple of those 2 to me....I got consecutive SNs. |
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I agree.
I do thank you for this post, I wouldn't have known that they existed. |
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Quoted: I agree. I do thank you for this post, I wouldn't have know that they existed. View Quote It was sheer luck on my part that I happened upon a picture of a NFA lower with a scorpion mag, probably SN 1 or 2. Otherwise I probably wouldn't have bothered contacting them to see if they were available. |
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