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Posted: 11/3/2019 7:42:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
That's cool. They had just come out when I got mine and it only had one size. That being said...still wouldn't work with a Razor in a G.  You can't use it directly centered under the turrets, but to one side or another it will clear. The flat spot on the bottom of both scopes is quite large, like the turrets on both scopes. |
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Posted: 11/3/2019 7:42:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SDMF_Rebel:
Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one that doesn't care if my optic is level to the gun. Hell, I usually purposely move it slightly out of plane with the rifle since I tend to tilt rifles when I shoot. My leveling procedure: Shoulder rifle w/ scope loose Turn scope to where it's level to my eye Done |
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Posted: 11/3/2019 8:04:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WEK207:
It worked with my PST II in a G mount and my Razor in a Badger C1 mount. You can't use it directly centered under the turrets, but to one side or another it will clear. The flat spot on the bottom of both scopes is quite large, like the turrets on both scopes. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WEK207:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
That's cool. They had just come out when I got mine and it only had one size. That being said...still wouldn't work with a Razor in a G. You can't use it directly centered under the turrets, but to one side or another it will clear. The flat spot on the bottom of both scopes is quite large, like the turrets on both scopes. |
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Posted: 11/3/2019 8:48:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ICU:
Dosent it make dialing for wind/elevation more difficult? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ICU:
Originally Posted By SDMF_Rebel:
Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one that doesn't care if my optic is level to the gun. Hell, I usually purposely move it slightly out of plane with the rifle since I tend to tilt rifles when I shoot. My leveling procedure: Shoulder rifle w/ scope loose Turn scope to where it's level to my eye Done Reticle is still planar with the horizon when being shot. The reticle doesn't give a shit how the bore is oriented since it's round
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Posted: 11/3/2019 9:02:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SDMF_Rebel: No. Reticle is still planar with the horizon when being shot. The reticle doesn't give a shit how the bore is oriented since it's round  Yeah, prob over thinking it... For me, I cant get the same exact cheek weld do to shooting position or gear(plates) riding up in certain/particular shooting positions. If is perfect vert & hori, I feel the margin of error will be minimal in all positions. Rather than perfect from zeroing & more significant error in varied positions.
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Posted: 11/3/2019 9:55:00 PM EDT
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Honestly the reason I do it is because if the reticle is level with the rifle, I never see a level reticle and it drives me insane. Adding a degree or two of rotation fixes that.
Drives my wife insane since I shoot lefty, and she shoots righty. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/3/2019 10:11:03 PM EDT
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Scope should be level to your rifle. Rifle should be level to the earth.
Otherwise, your holds and dialing will not be correct. Your bore may be round but your scope only tracks up/down and left/right of center. It doesn’t account for being off axis. Shooting large targets inside 300 and it’s not going to matter much. Small targets outside of that and you’ll wish everything was level. Had a good day today with Utah. 
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Posted: 11/3/2019 10:21:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Into_the_Void]
[#8]
I don't disagree, but in practice under 500yds it hasn't been an issue.
At 100yds, doing a box test I don't get a parallelogram
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/3/2019 10:29:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Eyekahn]
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SDMF_Rebel:
I don't disagree, but in practice under 500yds it hasn't been an issue. At 100yds, doing a box test I don't get a parallelogram That’s why if everything is level and your shooting bench or position isn’t level a swivel bipod is a must! Heavy ass box. 
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Posted: 11/3/2019 11:03:12 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn:
https://i.imgur.com/gdSxZ0U.jpg |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/5/2019 11:46:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: JohnnyUtah427]
[#11]
Eyekhan! Finally got my rings installed on the right side...or should I say, installed with the nuts on the left side. Much betta!
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Posted: 11/5/2019 12:29:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyUtah427:
Eyekhan! Finally got my rings installed on the right side...or should I say, installed with the nuts on the left side. Much betta! https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49018426176_0572ac85e2_b.jpg |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/5/2019 3:29:07 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyUtah427:
Eyekhan! Finally got my rings installed on the right side...or should I say, installed with the nuts on the left side. Much betta! https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49018426176_0572ac85e2_b.jpg |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/5/2019 3:48:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyUtah427:
Eyekhan! Finally got my rings installed on the right side...or should I say, installed with the nuts on the left side. Much betta! https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49018426176_0572ac85e2_b.jpg
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/5/2019 3:52:05 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ForestRegion: Still missing something...PAINT! 
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/5/2019 3:52:22 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
That's cool. They had just come out when I got mine and it only had one size. That being said...still wouldn't work with a Razor in a G. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By JohnnyUtah427:
Originally Posted By Dobs013: Yeah got all excited when I saw it then realized I’m using a mount |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/5/2019 5:15:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Eyekahn]
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyUtah427: Also missing the AEM5 which just got approved yesterday after almost a year. |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 10:34:07 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyUtah427:
Eyekhan! Finally got my rings installed on the right side...or should I say, installed with the nuts on the left side. Much betta! https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49018426176_0572ac85e2_b.jpg 
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Posted: 11/5/2019 10:42:33 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ForestRegion:
Not to get too far off topic, but I leveled my Razor in the G mount with the small wedge. My G mount is 1.93" though. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ForestRegion:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By JohnnyUtah427:
Originally Posted By Dobs013: Yeah got all excited when I saw it then realized I’m using a mount |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/6/2019 11:47:35 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dobs013:
Got another piece of the puzzle and I just secured a mil spec x32 as well.... https://i.imgur.com/PFJx0CY.jpg |
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USA
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Posted: 11/6/2019 12:18:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Dobs013]
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMCctx:
@Dobs013 who makes this? ETA - it was intended for use with the Insight/L3 RULR range finder. So I would say it’s very probable that it was made by Insight/L3. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/6/2019 1:15:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dobs013: I honestly don’t know for sure. I picked it up on the ee from another member. It was made under contract for NSW and to my knowledge it was never released commercially. At least if it was, I’ve never seen it. ETA - it was intended for use with the Insight/L3 RULR range finder. So I would say it’s very probable that it was made by Insight/L3. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/6/2019 1:24:34 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMCctx:
That one-off and obscure shit is 🔥
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/6/2019 1:53:03 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dobs013: The only part that sucks is paying for it |
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USA
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Posted: 11/6/2019 2:43:15 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMCctx:
Even harder when you're a cheapskate bly nature. I like quality stuff, but I don't like quality prices. My wife gets so embarrassed when we are in a store and I get sticker shock. Like it's a crime to not want to get bent over for boutique home decor. |
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Posted: 11/6/2019 6:04:01 PM EDT
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My wife acts like we're destitute and live paycheck to paycheck. Far from it. Splurging to her is spending $40 at a craft store. Just gives me more fun money
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Posted: 11/6/2019 6:09:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SDMF_Rebel:
My wife acts like we're destitute and live paycheck to paycheck. Far from it. Splurging to her is spending $40 at a craft store. Just gives me more fun money "My only fear is that when I die my wife will sell my gun stuff for what I told her they cost." |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/6/2019 6:21:18 PM EDT
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I've only been scolded once, though. I bought a Vortex Viper PST Gen II 5-25 when they first came out for my Aero M5 I'd just finished and said I was going to sell it and try to find a NF x24 or x32. Said if I wasn't planning on using it I shouldn't have built/bought it in the first place. I guess there is some wisdom to that
But that was before I was clone life initiated. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/6/2019 11:46:20 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dobs013: I honestly don’t know for sure. I picked it up on the ee from another member. It was made under contract for NSW and to my knowledge it was never released commercially. At least if it was, I’ve never seen it. ETA - it was intended for use with the Insight/L3 RULR range finder. So I would say it’s very probable that it was made by Insight/L3. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/7/2019 7:08:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Dobs013]
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By usnguns:
It was made by Wilcox. I bought one directly from them a few years back. @CMCctx 
48301P02 RULR Mount for NightForc I found the original contract for the A/I mount variant and it’s dated 2009. Not sure if both contracts were awarded in conjunction with one another but it ball park dates the rifle I cloned. It’s way later than I originally was thinking. 
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/7/2019 10:09:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SDMF_Rebel:
My wife acts like we're destitute and live paycheck to paycheck. Far from it. Splurging to her is spending $40 at a craft store. Just gives me more fun money Mine wanted to buy me a little Christmas tree for my office from the lobby of hobbies, but told me she didn't because, "it was fiteen...dollars! FIFTEEN!!!" I'm thinking, dang how much is an AEMB/collar kit again? We're still house poor though. If I want something new I have to sell some old things. We're selling the house in the spring and downsizing Then maybe I can contribute to this thread more lolIf my wife was a cloner she'd buy an M7 bayonet knife and call it quits. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/7/2019 10:11:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dobs013: Well dead wrong on that one....haha. @usnguns Thanks for the info and do you know if they are still made? @CMCctx https://i.imgur.com/aYOheKD.jpg 48301P02 RULR Mount for NightForc I found the original contract for the A/I mount variant and it’s dated 2009. Not sure if both contracts were awarded but n conjunction with one another but it ball park dates the rifle I cloned. It’s way later than I originally was thinking. https://i.imgur.com/WRYpLac.jpg |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/7/2019 10:27:40 AM EDT
[#33]
Closest I can find is the NF ruggedized accessory platform or Badger RULR/Raptar mount
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SOM
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Posted: 11/7/2019 10:24:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: boltcatch]
[#34]
That Wilcox part shown above looks different, with one notch in the rail.
The other one looks like this: http://damageindustriesllc.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=321  Vaguely related, I'm trying out the piggyback RDS thing on the cheap with a PRI 30mm RMR mount and one of the Holosun 507 variants. I'm not going for clone correct so I'm not going to drop clone part level cash when I can find non-clone parts. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/7/2019 11:11:13 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By boltcatch:
That Wilcox part shown above looks different, with one notch in the rail. The other one looks like this: http://damageindustriesllc.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=321 http://damageindustriesllc.com/store/image/cache/catalog/Products/Rail%20Systems%20and%20Accessories/10011-1296x864.jpg Vaguely related, I'm trying out the piggyback RDS thing on the cheap with a PRI 30mm RMR mount and one of the Holosun 507 variants. I'm not going for clone correct so I'm not going to drop clone part level cash when I can find non-clone parts. |
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Posted: 11/7/2019 11:12:30 PM EDT
[#36]
what height scope rings ?
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn:
Scope should be level to your rifle. Rifle should be level to the earth. Otherwise, your holds and dialing will not be correct. Your bore may be round but your scope only tracks up/down and left/right of center. It doesn’t account for being off axis. Shooting large targets inside 300 and it’s not going to matter much. Small targets outside of that and you’ll wish everything was level. Had a good day today with Utah. https://i.imgur.com/E5GJAQ3.jpg https://i.imgur.com/2GaUYIj.jpg |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/8/2019 7:26:18 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BSOG1:
what height scope rings ? |
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USA
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Posted: 11/8/2019 7:54:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Dobs013]
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By boltcatch:
That Wilcox part shown above looks different, with one notch in the rail. The other one looks like this: http://damageindustriesllc.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=321 http://damageindustriesllc.com/store/image/cache/catalog/Products/Rail%20Systems%20and%20Accessories/10011-1296x864.jpg Vaguely related, I'm trying out the piggyback RDS thing on the cheap with a PRI 30mm RMR mount and one of the Holosun 507 variants. I'm not going for clone correct so I'm not going to drop clone part level cash when I can find non-clone parts. ETA- Tracking received from DI, so the are confirmed to still have some! And pic thread.... 
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/8/2019 11:36:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dobs013: Sweet! Thanks for dropping that! I just grabbed another one for good measure. ETA- Tracking received from DI, so the are confirmed to still have some! And pic thread.... https://i.imgur.com/TpQVQee.jpg |
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USA
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Posted: 11/8/2019 11:53:51 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMCctx:
Looks like I can go ahead and order! I dropped them an email to see if they were actually in stock. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/8/2019 12:43:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dobs013: Yeah I thought about doing that then just said f it, it’s $35, if they charge me and they actually don’t have it I can just get refunded. |
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SOM
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Posted: 11/8/2019 2:14:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: boltcatch]
[#42]
I came across the part a couple of months ago during an intensive search for RDS mounts. Other thing I found is that it looks like PRI most likely makes Trijicon's scope accessory mounts, for which Trijicon charges 2x as much.
 Originally Posted By CMCctx:
LaRue mounts are slowly starting to make their way into parts boxes, I'm afraid. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/8/2019 4:17:20 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By boltcatch:
I came across the part a couple of months ago during an intensive search for RDS mounts. Other thing I found is that it looks like PRI most likely makes Trijicon's scope accessory mounts, for which Trijicon charges 2x as much. I like LaRue mounts as much as the next guy but the NF rings and Unimounts are just about perfect for this, even without taking clone parts into consideration.
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USA
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Posted: 11/9/2019 8:38:11 AM EDT
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Black CTR came in yesterday, so all that’s left is ordering the sling. Does anyone want to venture a guess as to what rear sight was on the issued weapon or if there was even a rear sight on there? The image quality is so shitty I can’t tell...
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VA, USA
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Posted: 11/10/2019 9:39:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: jf22]
[#45]
Hi guys,
Hats off to you all for some great looking rifles. Here are a few more variations in recce build parts. It's funny to see that a good friend of mine in shown in several of the favored reference photos in this thread. I have most of the parts used to build the rifles shown in many of the old internet photos, Colt uppers/lowers (various era/markings, MIL/LE..etc..), various Wilcox mounts, Atlas bipods, 2.5-10x24 NF scope, rails, stocks, PEQ's, etc. but I decided to build a modern recce style rifle and didn't use any of those parts on my build. As usual, individuals will add a variety of personal preference items but other than the 2.5-10x42 (24 is still the standard), I built the current "standard" set-up for a particular NSW command, from suppressor to butt stock and locally manufactured sling. There are other items that may be used as optional but are not "standard" on the build. I don't usually mix colored parts on my rifles but there's a reason for the tan stock. Best, Rob (Joefriday22) PS..Of course my newby pics aren't displaying so I'd appreciate some help from you senior guys.. 
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USA
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Posted: 11/10/2019 11:07:07 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jf22:
Hi guys, Hats off to you all for some great looking rifles. Here are a few more variations in recce build parts. It's funny to see that a good friend of mine in shown in several of the favored reference photos in this thread. I have most of the parts used to build the rifles shown in many of the old internet photos, Colt uppers/lowers (various era/markings, MIL/LE..etc..), various Wilcox mounts, Atlas bipods, 2.5-10x24 NF scope, rails, stocks, PEQ's, etc. but I decided to build a modern recce style rifle and didn't use any of those parts on my build. As usual, individuals will add a variety of personal preference items but other than the 2.5-10x42 (24 is still the standard), I built the current "standard" set-up for a particular NSW command, from suppressor to butt stock and locally manufactured sling. There are other items that may be used as optional but are not "standard" on the build. I don't usually mix colored parts on my rifles but there's a reason for the tan stock. Best, Rob (Joefriday22) PS..Of course my newby pics aren't displaying so I'd appreciate some help from you senior guys.. https://i.postimg.cc/xj59C4HH/IMG-8624.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/9MjcR3JP/IMG-7272.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/rmCM5hPB/IMG-8621.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/NFdtzKYb/IMG-8627.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/tgvmwFVs/IMG-8546.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/5NK4NN3k/IMG-8658.jpgimage share |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/10/2019 12:08:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CMCctx]
[#47]
@jf22
Now let's talk Wilcox! Message inbound so the thread doesn't get gunked up EDIT: removed pics since they're working above now. Don't want to dip them. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 11/10/2019 1:51:53 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMCctx:
@jf22 https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/4272/PeJrcD.jpg https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img921/5668/UWDdU1.jpg https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/511/qR0j7y.jpg https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/9550/4kNNYN.jpg https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/6655/tcdo5i.jpg https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/4960/CtYPXz.jpg Now let's talk Wilcox! Message inbound so the thread doesn't get gunked up 
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Posted: 11/10/2019 1:54:19 PM EDT
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/10/2019 3:54:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryAccurate
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