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Posted: 6/23/2016 9:25:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Augee]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ECPrevatte:
I was pretty much a nay sayer on the Wilcox Risers and rising the optics already more than they needed to go, until I shot a riser setup under NODs in that class. While you can checkweld with NODs, it's just as easy to not and simply use the buttstock as just something to support the recoil against your chest/shoulder. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ECPrevatte:
I was pretty much a nay sayer on the Wilcox Risers and rising the optics already more than they needed to go, until I shot a riser setup under NODs in that class. While you can checkweld with NODs, it's just as easy to not and simply use the buttstock as just something to support the recoil against your chest/shoulder. Unpossible. Internets said risers was stupid. Use lazors. 
Originally Posted By JohnnySasaki20:
Anyway, any of you WV/MD/PA guys want to get a shoot together? I've got a set of Sentinels coming next week, and I can't wait to try them out. All the damn ranges around me close retardedly early. Peacemaker National being a prime example. Still need a helmet, but I'll be ordering one soon. I'm down for a WV-area night shoot, send me an e-mail, let's see if we can't work something out... Incidentally, I also have surplus helmets. Not sure why, only got one head... ETA: Accidental page ownership 
SF-TRAINER-556 ~Augee |
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Posted: 6/23/2016 9:50:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Augee:
Unpossible. Internets said risers was stupid. Use lazors.
I'm down for a WV-area night shoot, send me an e-mail, let's see if we can't work something out... Incidentally, I also have surplus helmets. Not sure why, only got one head... ETA: Accidental page ownership http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff502/augeekim/2D32172E-49A7-4FD1-8DC5-91B244DBEEAA_zpsj3k7ndma.jpg SF-TRAINER-556 ~Augee Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Augee:
Originally Posted By ECPrevatte:
I was pretty much a nay sayer on the Wilcox Risers and rising the optics already more than they needed to go, until I shot a riser setup under NODs in that class. While you can checkweld with NODs, it's just as easy to not and simply use the buttstock as just something to support the recoil against your chest/shoulder. Unpossible. Internets said risers was stupid. Use lazors.
Originally Posted By JohnnySasaki20:
Anyway, any of you WV/MD/PA guys want to get a shoot together? I've got a set of Sentinels coming next week, and I can't wait to try them out. All the damn ranges around me close retardedly early. Peacemaker National being a prime example. Still need a helmet, but I'll be ordering one soon. I'm down for a WV-area night shoot, send me an e-mail, let's see if we can't work something out... Incidentally, I also have surplus helmets. Not sure why, only got one head... ETA: Accidental page ownership http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff502/augeekim/2D32172E-49A7-4FD1-8DC5-91B244DBEEAA_zpsj3k7ndma.jpg SF-TRAINER-556 ~Augee You broke your sight 
What's the "trainer" can? Never seen that before. |
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Posted: 6/23/2016 9:55:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
You broke your sight
What's the "trainer" can? Never seen that before. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By Augee:
Originally Posted By ECPrevatte:
I was pretty much a nay sayer on the Wilcox Risers and rising the optics already more than they needed to go, until I shot a riser setup under NODs in that class. While you can checkweld with NODs, it's just as easy to not and simply use the buttstock as just something to support the recoil against your chest/shoulder. Unpossible. Internets said risers was stupid. Use lazors.
Originally Posted By JohnnySasaki20:
Anyway, any of you WV/MD/PA guys want to get a shoot together? I've got a set of Sentinels coming next week, and I can't wait to try them out. All the damn ranges around me close retardedly early. Peacemaker National being a prime example. Still need a helmet, but I'll be ordering one soon. I'm down for a WV-area night shoot, send me an e-mail, let's see if we can't work something out... Incidentally, I also have surplus helmets. Not sure why, only got one head... ETA: Accidental page ownership http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff502/augeekim/2D32172E-49A7-4FD1-8DC5-91B244DBEEAA_zpsj3k7ndma.jpg SF-TRAINER-556 ~Augee You broke your sight
What's the "trainer" can? Never seen that before. Blank-firing adaptor? |
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Posted: 6/23/2016 9:58:18 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bohguy:
Blank-firing adaptor? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bohguy:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By Augee:
Originally Posted By ECPrevatte:
I was pretty much a nay sayer on the Wilcox Risers and rising the optics already more than they needed to go, until I shot a riser setup under NODs in that class. While you can checkweld with NODs, it's just as easy to not and simply use the buttstock as just something to support the recoil against your chest/shoulder. Unpossible. Internets said risers was stupid. Use lazors.
Originally Posted By JohnnySasaki20:
Anyway, any of you WV/MD/PA guys want to get a shoot together? I've got a set of Sentinels coming next week, and I can't wait to try them out. All the damn ranges around me close retardedly early. Peacemaker National being a prime example. Still need a helmet, but I'll be ordering one soon. I'm down for a WV-area night shoot, send me an e-mail, let's see if we can't work something out... Incidentally, I also have surplus helmets. Not sure why, only got one head... ETA: Accidental page ownership http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff502/augeekim/2D32172E-49A7-4FD1-8DC5-91B244DBEEAA_zpsj3k7ndma.jpg SF-TRAINER-556 ~Augee You broke your sight
What's the "trainer" can? Never seen that before. Blank-firing adaptor? Unless he painted it, those are bright yellow. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 6/23/2016 10:30:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stinkypol:
I have a couple like that. I'll have to see if I can find them and look for markings. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stinkypol:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By coregon:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Going through my parts stash for a grip and found two A2 grips, but one of them has a bit of a palm swell. No idea who made it, but it feels pretty comfortable. Anyone ever seen one like that before? Lonestar? Not my pic: http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii116/apschreiber/_For%20Sale/IMG_20160213_204321608_zpsss8lwjor.jpg Here's the one I've got. No markings, so who knows where it came from. http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii33/perrymclovin/E3BC6BE6-53FA-47B8-B1E5-E20DAEF71C8E_zpstzcsfdqr.jpg I have a couple like that. I'll have to see if I can find them and look for markings. One not marked, other has a "1" or "I" and a "F" |
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Posted: 6/23/2016 10:37:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stinkypol:
One not marked, other has a "1" or "I" and a "F" I can't find any markings of any sort on mine. |
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Posted: 6/23/2016 10:49:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TinyCrumb]
[#7]
I think someone already shared a link to this, but thought I'd embed it here. Much CQBR awesomeness.
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Posted: 6/23/2016 11:08:02 PM EDT
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I asked him the same. Trainer is not the same as the yellow SF BFA cans.
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Posted: 6/23/2016 11:18:13 PM EDT
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Y'all are killing me. I had no idea this thing was so unknown.
http://www.opticsplanet.com/surefire-training-suppressor-for-simunition-frangible-ammo.html The SureFire "training adapter" is nothing more than a fake can. It's a solid tube with a nice big hole through the middle that can fit on either a SOCOM or Legacy mount (two different models for the different index pin locations). For all intents and purposes it's a long, heavy, expensive Warden. It's intended for use with Simunition FX and frangible ammunition, both of which are not recommended to be used with an actual suppressor. The training adapter allows you to replicate the length, weight, and handling of a suppressor while using these specialty ammunition types without risking damage to the suppressor. (My FA556-212 is currently awaiting a Form 4 approval, meaning I might have it by... Christmas? )
Unlike the yellow and blue blank firing adapters, the training adapter comes with a black finish, though I (obviously) rattle-canned mine. Mine is a standard SOCOM-compatible device (uses the rear index pin on the mount) and will fit on both SOCOM and Legacy-style mounts, the Legacy mounts will simply allow for rotation as there's no indexing pin in front). It's definitely a limited-market item, but if you shoot frangible and FX ammunition, but want your rifle to have the same "feel" when doing close-range training as a suppressed weapon, it can be a useful tool. That being said, yes, you can fire standard 5.56MM through it, again, it's just a fake can. For reference, the blank firing adapter has a closed end and is ported (like a standard BFA) to allow the weapon to cycle with blank ammunition: 
http://www.opticsplanet.com/surefire-blank-firing-adapter-for-socom-5-56-adapters.html ~Augee |
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Posted: 6/23/2016 11:59:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinyCrumb: • Having just one piece of foam isn't optimal, mostly because it throws the weight distribution off so when the case is standing on its edge it falls over a lot because all the weight is in the bottom of the case. But the stock pieces of foam that come with the 1700 are super thick - totally unnecessarily so. A more optimal approach would be to order just 2 thin 1/4" sheets and put one on top and one on bottom. I've just been too lazy to order them but probably will soon. Well, who knew there were so many foam options out there - a quick view of foam-factory and foam-by-mail has left me bewildered... I'm assuming polythylene is the foam to get, not polyurethene? |
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Posted: 6/24/2016 12:25:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TurbineBoiler:
ST-T2 with std carbine spring, suppressed & non-suppressed, commercial 10.3 (large gas port) & .mil overrun barrels. They work just fine for me with all varieties of ammunition. 556 can or 30 cal? |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 6/24/2016 12:57:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Hot shit son!! 
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii33/perrymclovin/CDB39402-7970-44C6-8151-79C2244B8E9D_zpsoeblwkgq.jpg Who did the engraving? |
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Posted: 6/24/2016 1:14:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By emtothedee:
Who did the engraving? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By emtothedee:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Hot shit son!!
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii33/perrymclovin/CDB39402-7970-44C6-8151-79C2244B8E9D_zpsoeblwkgq.jpg Who did the engraving? Member here named Braceman. I asked the same question some pages back. Hope you don't mind me answering for you, SS. |
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Posted: 6/24/2016 3:33:01 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Augee:
Y'all are killing me. I had no idea this thing was so unknown.
http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff502/augeekim/90C80C5C-CD92-48E7-87F2-8F99F0F2447D_zpsiovyegyt.jpg http://www.opticsplanet.com/surefire-training-suppressor-for-simunition-frangible-ammo.html The SureFire "training adapter" is nothing more than a fake can. It's a solid tube with a nice big hole through the middle that can fit on either a SOCOM or Legacy mount (two different models for the different index pin locations). For all intents and purposes it's a long, heavy, expensive Warden. It's intended for use with Simunition FX and frangible ammunition, both of which are not recommended to be used with an actual suppressor. The training adapter allows you to replicate the length, weight, and handling of a suppressor while using these specialty ammunition types without risking damage to the suppressor. (My FA556-212 is currently awaiting a Form 4 approval, meaning I might have it by... Christmas? )
Unlike the yellow and blue blank firing adapters, the training adapter comes with a black finish, though I (obviously) rattle-canned mine. Mine is a standard SOCOM-compatible device (uses the rear index pin on the mount) and will fit on both SOCOM and Legacy-style mounts, the Legacy mounts will simply allow for rotation as there's no indexing pin in front). It's definitely a limited-market item, but if you shoot frangible and FX ammunition, but want your rifle to have the same "feel" when doing close-range training as a suppressed weapon, it can be a useful tool. That being said, yes, you can fire standard 5.56MM through it, again, it's just a fake can. For reference, the blank firing adapter has a closed end and is ported (like a standard BFA) to allow the weapon to cycle with blank ammunition: http://www.dgunsok.com/image/cache/catalog/Products/T023/T023H1/end-mount-blank-safety-device-surefire-sf-bsd-556-www-dgunsok-com-23138-500x500.png http://www.opticsplanet.com/surefire-blank-firing-adapter-for-socom-5-56-adapters.html ~Augee Could a form 1 suppressor be built using one of these as the tube? |
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Posted: 6/24/2016 5:48:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Augee: Unpossible. Internets said risers was stupid. Use lazors. I'm down for a WV-area night shoot, send me an e-mail, let's see if we can't work something out... Incidentally, I also have surplus helmets. Not sure why, only got one head... ETA: Accidental page ownership http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff502/augeekim/2D32172E-49A7-4FD1-8DC5-91B244DBEEAA_zpsj3k7ndma.jpg SF-TRAINER-556 ~Augee Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Augee: Originally Posted By ECPrevatte: I was pretty much a nay sayer on the Wilcox Risers and rising the optics already more than they needed to go, until I shot a riser setup under NODs in that class. While you can checkweld with NODs, it's just as easy to not and simply use the buttstock as just something to support the recoil against your chest/shoulder. Unpossible. Internets said risers was stupid. Use lazors. Originally Posted By JohnnySasaki20: Anyway, any of you WV/MD/PA guys want to get a shoot together? I've got a set of Sentinels coming next week, and I can't wait to try them out. All the damn ranges around me close retardedly early. Peacemaker National being a prime example. Still need a helmet, but I'll be ordering one soon. I'm down for a WV-area night shoot, send me an e-mail, let's see if we can't work something out... Incidentally, I also have surplus helmets. Not sure why, only got one head... ETA: Accidental page ownership http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff502/augeekim/2D32172E-49A7-4FD1-8DC5-91B244DBEEAA_zpsj3k7ndma.jpg SF-TRAINER-556 ~Augee
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Posted: 6/24/2016 6:59:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shalashaska:
Member here named Braceman. I asked the same question some pages back. Hope you don't mind me answering for you, SS. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shalashaska:
Originally Posted By emtothedee:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Hot shit son!!
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii33/perrymclovin/CDB39402-7970-44C6-8151-79C2244B8E9D_zpsoeblwkgq.jpg Who did the engraving? Member here named Braceman. I asked the same question some pages back. Hope you don't mind me answering for you, SS. 
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Posted: 6/24/2016 7:12:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryI sadly have no nods but want in on the WV-area shoot regardless I'm willing to share the love. 
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Posted: 6/24/2016 7:40:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnySasaki20:
I'm willing to share the love.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnySasaki20:
I sadly have no nods but want in on the WV-area shoot regardless I'm willing to share the love.
If conducted in the Preston county area, I would be able to provide punch and pie, with many shameless business plugs.
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Posted: 6/24/2016 8:43:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shalashaska:
 It's funny how many MGS fans don't even get the reference. I was a huge fan of that series; I still need to pick up V.
Oh and nice rifle! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shalashaska:
Originally Posted By JohnnySasaki20:
Originally Posted By Shalashaska:
.... Nice name, dude. Before I forgot the password, my last accounts username was Revolver Ocelot. 
It's funny how many MGS fans don't even get the reference. I was a huge fan of that series; I still need to pick up V.
Oh and nice rifle! Ha, didn't know so many MGS nerds were in the clone game.... speaking of clones... I had the Springfield Custom shop "clone" Snake's 1911 from MGS4 via a custom carry build... how's that for clone dedication? Need to take a pic with my MK18 Mod 0 to make it relevant I suppose. Great rifle man. |
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Posted: 6/24/2016 11:02:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StampCollector87: Could a form 1 suppressor be built using one of these as the tube? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StampCollector87: Originally Posted By Augee: Y'all are killing me. I had no idea this thing was so unknown. http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff502/augeekim/90C80C5C-CD92-48E7-87F2-8F99F0F2447D_zpsiovyegyt.jpg http://www.opticsplanet.com/surefire-training-suppressor-for-simunition-frangible-ammo.html The SureFire "training adapter" is nothing more than a fake can. It's a solid tube with a nice big hole through the middle that can fit on either a SOCOM or Legacy mount (two different models for the different index pin locations). For all intents and purposes it's a long, heavy, expensive Warden. It's intended for use with Simunition FX and frangible ammunition, both of which are not recommended to be used with an actual suppressor. The training adapter allows you to replicate the length, weight, and handling of a suppressor while using these specialty ammunition types without risking damage to the suppressor. (My FA556-212 is currently awaiting a Form 4 approval, meaning I might have it by... Christmas? ) Unlike the yellow and blue blank firing adapters, the training adapter comes with a black finish, though I (obviously) rattle-canned mine. Mine is a standard SOCOM-compatible device (uses the rear index pin on the mount) and will fit on both SOCOM and Legacy-style mounts, the Legacy mounts will simply allow for rotation as there's no indexing pin in front). It's definitely a limited-market item, but if you shoot frangible and FX ammunition, but want your rifle to have the same "feel" when doing close-range training as a suppressed weapon, it can be a useful tool. That being said, yes, you can fire standard 5.56MM through it, again, it's just a fake can. For reference, the blank firing adapter has a closed end and is ported (like a standard BFA) to allow the weapon to cycle with blank ammunition: http://www.dgunsok.com/image/cache/catalog/Products/T023/T023H1/end-mount-blank-safety-device-surefire-sf-bsd-556-www-dgunsok-com-23138-500x500.png ~Augee Could a form 1 suppressor be built using one of these as the tube? A few have thought about trying, but the thing has a giant hole in the side of it. So unless that got plugged up and the whole thing bored out... probably not. But, now that Wardens are out and fairly cheap, i'm waiting for someone to cut everything off and thread the mount to accept the common f1 tubes that are out there and use the SF mount on a f1 can. That'd be tight. |
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Posted: 6/24/2016 11:54:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By htomeheb:
A few have thought about trying, but the thing has a giant hole in the side of it. So unless that got plugged up and the whole thing bored out... probably not. But, now that Wardens are out and fairly cheap, i'm waiting for someone to cut everything off and thread the mount to accept the common f1 tubes that are out there and use the SF mount on a f1 can. That'd be tight. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By htomeheb:
Originally Posted By StampCollector87:
Originally Posted By Augee:
Y'all are killing me. I had no idea this thing was so unknown.
http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff502/augeekim/90C80C5C-CD92-48E7-87F2-8F99F0F2447D_zpsiovyegyt.jpg http://www.opticsplanet.com/surefire-training-suppressor-for-simunition-frangible-ammo.html The SureFire "training adapter" is nothing more than a fake can. It's a solid tube with a nice big hole through the middle that can fit on either a SOCOM or Legacy mount (two different models for the different index pin locations). For all intents and purposes it's a long, heavy, expensive Warden. It's intended for use with Simunition FX and frangible ammunition, both of which are not recommended to be used with an actual suppressor. The training adapter allows you to replicate the length, weight, and handling of a suppressor while using these specialty ammunition types without risking damage to the suppressor. (My FA556-212 is currently awaiting a Form 4 approval, meaning I might have it by... Christmas? )
Unlike the yellow and blue blank firing adapters, the training adapter comes with a black finish, though I (obviously) rattle-canned mine. Mine is a standard SOCOM-compatible device (uses the rear index pin on the mount) and will fit on both SOCOM and Legacy-style mounts, the Legacy mounts will simply allow for rotation as there's no indexing pin in front). It's definitely a limited-market item, but if you shoot frangible and FX ammunition, but want your rifle to have the same "feel" when doing close-range training as a suppressed weapon, it can be a useful tool. That being said, yes, you can fire standard 5.56MM through it, again, it's just a fake can. For reference, the blank firing adapter has a closed end and is ported (like a standard BFA) to allow the weapon to cycle with blank ammunition: http://www.dgunsok.com/image/cache/catalog/Products/T023/T023H1/end-mount-blank-safety-device-surefire-sf-bsd-556-www-dgunsok-com-23138-500x500.png ~Augee Could a form 1 suppressor be built using one of these as the tube? A few have thought about trying, but the thing has a giant hole in the side of it. So unless that got plugged up and the whole thing bored out... probably not. But, now that Wardens are out and fairly cheap, i'm waiting for someone to cut everything off and thread the mount to accept the common f1 tubes that are out there and use the SF mount on a f1 can. That'd be tight. The "poser" side of me may come out a bit............but I wish they would've made the Warden the same length as the actual can (or at least as an option). Since I can't have cans here (yet), at least I could look the part. I'm guessing the ATF told them "no" since it would probably be to easy to convert it to a real can.
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Posted: 6/24/2016 12:03:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
The "poser" side of me may come out a bit............but I wish they would've made the Warden the same length as the actual can (or at least as an option). Since I can't have cans here (yet), at least I could look the part. I'm guessing the ATF told them "no" since it would probably be to easy to convert it to a real can.Just get the training can then till you can don the real deal. |
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Posted: 6/24/2016 12:19:01 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MrFrZZ:
Just get the training can then till you can don the real deal. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MrFrZZ:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
The "poser" side of me may come out a bit............but I wish they would've made the Warden the same length as the actual can (or at least as an option). Since I can't have cans here (yet), at least I could look the part. I'm guessing the ATF told them "no" since it would probably be to easy to convert it to a real can.Just get the training can then till you can don the real deal. I looked one up, they're $300. SWFA says they have to go through a FFL.  Optics planet are a month out. My Warden does it's job, I'd rather save the $300 to put towards a RC2 when/if we get cans approved.
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Posted: 6/24/2016 12:41:31 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
I looked one up, they're $300. SWFA says they have to go through a FFL. Optics planet are a month out. My Warden does it's job, I'd rather save the $300 to put towards a RC2 when/if we get cans approved.Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By MrFrZZ:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
The "poser" side of me may come out a bit............but I wish they would've made the Warden the same length as the actual can (or at least as an option). Since I can't have cans here (yet), at least I could look the part. I'm guessing the ATF told them "no" since it would probably be to easy to convert it to a real can.Just get the training can then till you can don the real deal. I looked one up, they're $300. SWFA says they have to go through a FFL. Optics planet are a month out. My Warden does it's job, I'd rather save the $300 to put towards a RC2 when/if we get cans approved.The FFL thing doesnt make sense... Unless Augee is cheating on me
I checked my distr. I dont show them in the listings. Did see the last Warden sell this morning right before I ordered it.... 
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Posted: 6/24/2016 12:44:26 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MrFrZZ:
The FFL thing doesnt make sense... Unless Augee is cheating on me
I checked my distr. I dont show them in the listings. Did see the last Warden sell this morning right before I ordered it....
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MrFrZZ:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By MrFrZZ:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
The "poser" side of me may come out a bit............but I wish they would've made the Warden the same length as the actual can (or at least as an option). Since I can't have cans here (yet), at least I could look the part. I'm guessing the ATF told them "no" since it would probably be to easy to convert it to a real can.Just get the training can then till you can don the real deal. I looked one up, they're $300. SWFA says they have to go through a FFL. Optics planet are a month out. My Warden does it's job, I'd rather save the $300 to put towards a RC2 when/if we get cans approved.The FFL thing doesnt make sense... Unless Augee is cheating on me
I checked my distr. I dont show them in the listings. Did see the last Warden sell this morning right before I ordered it....
If I could snag one around $200 (and not have to deal with the FFL nonsense  ), I'd probably grab one and sell off the Warden to recoup a couple bucks.
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Posted: 6/24/2016 2:04:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JJREA]
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinyCrumb:
I think someone already shared a link to this, but thought I'd embed it here. Much CQBR awesomeness.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6-nuuRhOz0Thanks for posting that. Lots of Glock too. I had a Tercel in about the same color as that one.
ugh, top of page..... Hmmmmmm....... 
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Posted: 6/24/2016 3:43:13 PM EDT
[#27]
Finished my 3rd CQBR URG last night. Everything is still brand new so I'm gonna go break them in tomorrow morning
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Posted: 6/24/2016 3:51:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MNRidesHonda:
Finished my 3rd CQBR URG last night. Everything is still brand new so I'm gonna go break them in tomorrow morning
http://i.imgur.com/xFde5td.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Qm8jTba.jpg FIFY......since you're a Marine and all.
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Posted: 6/24/2016 4:03:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
FIFY......since you're a Marine and all. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By MNRidesHonda:
Finished my 3rd CQBR URG last night. Everything is still brand new so I'm gonna go break them in tomorrow morning
http://i.imgur.com/xFde5td.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Qm8jTba.jpg FIFY......since you're a Marine and all. LOL 
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Posted: 6/24/2016 4:04:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MNRidesHonda:
LOL Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MNRidesHonda:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By MNRidesHonda:
Finished my 3rd CQBR URG last night. Everything is still brand new so I'm gonna go break them in tomorrow morning
http://i.imgur.com/xFde5td.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Qm8jTba.jpg FIFY......since you're a Marine and all. LOL Dibs on broken parts.
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Posted: 6/24/2016 5:28:28 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
FIFY......since you're a Marine and all. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By MNRidesHonda:
Finished my 3rd CQBR URG last night. Everything is still brand new so I'm gonna go break them in tomorrow morning
http://i.imgur.com/xFde5td.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Qm8jTba.jpg FIFY......since you're a Marine and all. 
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NC, USA
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Posted: 6/24/2016 8:51:27 PM EDT
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When you break it, I will the rear KAC sight.
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Posted: 6/24/2016 11:33:01 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MNRidesHonda: Finished my 3rd CQBR URG last night. Everything is still brand new so I'm gonna go break them in tomorrow morning http://i.imgur.com/xFde5td.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Qm8jTba.jpg Digging the SFCT - didn't know they were available yet? Would love to replace some 3T's I have :) |
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Posted: 6/25/2016 12:20:40 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/25/2016 1:18:45 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/25/2016 1:39:06 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By htomeheb:
A few have thought about trying, but the thing has a giant hole in the side of it. So unless that got plugged up and the whole thing bored out... probably not. But, now that Wardens are out and fairly cheap, i'm waiting for someone to cut everything off and thread the mount to accept the common f1 tubes that are out there and use the SF mount on a f1 can. That'd be tight. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By htomeheb:
Originally Posted By StampCollector87:
Originally Posted By Augee:
Y'all are killing me. I had no idea this thing was so unknown.
http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff502/augeekim/90C80C5C-CD92-48E7-87F2-8F99F0F2447D_zpsiovyegyt.jpg http://www.opticsplanet.com/surefire-training-suppressor-for-simunition-frangible-ammo.html The SureFire "training adapter" is nothing more than a fake can. It's a solid tube with a nice big hole through the middle that can fit on either a SOCOM or Legacy mount (two different models for the different index pin locations). For all intents and purposes it's a long, heavy, expensive Warden. It's intended for use with Simunition FX and frangible ammunition, both of which are not recommended to be used with an actual suppressor. The training adapter allows you to replicate the length, weight, and handling of a suppressor while using these specialty ammunition types without risking damage to the suppressor. (My FA556-212 is currently awaiting a Form 4 approval, meaning I might have it by... Christmas? )
Unlike the yellow and blue blank firing adapters, the training adapter comes with a black finish, though I (obviously) rattle-canned mine. Mine is a standard SOCOM-compatible device (uses the rear index pin on the mount) and will fit on both SOCOM and Legacy-style mounts, the Legacy mounts will simply allow for rotation as there's no indexing pin in front). It's definitely a limited-market item, but if you shoot frangible and FX ammunition, but want your rifle to have the same "feel" when doing close-range training as a suppressed weapon, it can be a useful tool. That being said, yes, you can fire standard 5.56MM through it, again, it's just a fake can. For reference, the blank firing adapter has a closed end and is ported (like a standard BFA) to allow the weapon to cycle with blank ammunition: http://www.dgunsok.com/image/cache/catalog/Products/T023/T023H1/end-mount-blank-safety-device-surefire-sf-bsd-556-www-dgunsok-com-23138-500x500.png ~Augee Could a form 1 suppressor be built using one of these as the tube? A few have thought about trying, but the thing has a giant hole in the side of it. So unless that got plugged up and the whole thing bored out... probably not. But, now that Wardens are out and fairly cheap, i'm waiting for someone to cut everything off and thread the mount to accept the common f1 tubes that are out there and use the SF mount on a f1 can. That'd be tight. I have been thinking about that as well. I wish I could figure a way to get the locking mechanism of the KAC nt4 and do a form 1 can around that. |
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Posted: 6/25/2016 9:45:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: The_Hammer]
[#37]
Well I just fucked my Mod 0 up by installing a TD vfg but I like it better than the knights
How difficult is it to cut down an m4a1 ris ii fsp? |
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Posted: 6/25/2016 11:46:51 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TannerB:
<a href="https://flic.kr/p/J4Z3k3" target="_blank">https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7138/27612062960_e3676a20c5_z.jpg</a>20160623_201117-01 by T B, on Flickr <a href="https://flic.kr/p/JkB9Wj" target="_blank">https://c7.staticflickr.com/8/7191/27788856662_8bf0235fda_z.jpg</a>20160623_201024-01 by T B, on Flickr Damn, dude. That shit makes me want to slap on my Kights rail again, and buy a PEQ-2A. Not really digging that flash hider, but everything else is kickass.
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Posted: 6/25/2016 12:25:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/25/2016 12:45:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/25/2016 1:31:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Repr762:
MK18 MOD 0 Block II with Daniel Defense MK18 FSP RIS II Rail on a pistol lower. <a href="http://s722.photobucket.com/user/derekwatsonpt/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsywyx5xyo.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww224/derekwatsonpt/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsywyx5xyo.jpeg</a> <a href="http://s722.photobucket.com/user/derekwatsonpt/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsm5uk6kho.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww224/derekwatsonpt/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsm5uk6kho.jpeg</a> <a href="http://s722.photobucket.com/user/derekwatsonpt/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsrelo6s9c.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww224/derekwatsonpt/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsrelo6s9c.jpeg</a> Nice, but how do you shoot with that SU-230 so far back? I've got mine a good two notches up, and it's perfect. Seems like you'd get scope-bit if you shouldered that.  " />
Anyway, still trying new ambidextrous light setups on this upper. I think I'm just gonna leave this one light free for now.  " />
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Posted: 6/25/2016 1:55:56 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnySasaki20:
Nice, but how do you shoot with that SU-230 so far back? I've got mine a good two notches up, and it's perfect. Seems like you'd get scope-bit if you shouldered that. http://<a href=https://c8.staticflickr.com/8/7304/27823423751_e0252c70b9_b.jpg</a>" /> Anyway, still trying new ambidextrous light setups on this upper. I think I'm just gonna leave this one light free for now. http://<a href=https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7255/27287480993_6e66c88322_b.jpg</a>" /> Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnySasaki20:
Originally Posted By Repr762:
MK18 MOD 0 Block II with Daniel Defense MK18 FSP RIS II Rail on a pistol lower. <a href="http://s722.photobucket.com/user/derekwatsonpt/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsywyx5xyo.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww224/derekwatsonpt/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsywyx5xyo.jpeg</a> <a href="http://s722.photobucket.com/user/derekwatsonpt/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsm5uk6kho.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww224/derekwatsonpt/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsm5uk6kho.jpeg</a> <a href="http://s722.photobucket.com/user/derekwatsonpt/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsrelo6s9c.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww224/derekwatsonpt/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsrelo6s9c.jpeg</a> Nice, but how do you shoot with that SU-230 so far back? I've got mine a good two notches up, and it's perfect. Seems like you'd get scope-bit if you shouldered that. http://<a href=https://c8.staticflickr.com/8/7304/27823423751_e0252c70b9_b.jpg</a>" /> Anyway, still trying new ambidextrous light setups on this upper. I think I'm just gonna leave this one light free for now. http://<a href=https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7255/27287480993_6e66c88322_b.jpg</a>" /> It works for me, havent been scope bit yet. If you notice also, the blade brace is pulled back a bit on the tube. |
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Posted: 6/25/2016 4:09:30 PM EDT
[#43]
Got this guy back from the gunsmith yesterday. Colt upper and barrel with a KAC RAS and 4P. Want to pick up a peq2 soon and get an NT4 later down the road.
What optic should I put on this guy? 
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Posted: 6/25/2016 4:41:38 PM EDT
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If anyone is in the market for a tan atpialc, I might be able to help you out. Give me a yell.
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Posted: 6/25/2016 4:46:27 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alshooter1526:
Got this guy back from the gunsmith yesterday. Colt upper and barrel with a KAC RAS and 4P. Want to pick up a peq2 soon and get an NT4 later down the road. What optic should I put on this guy? <a href="https://flic.kr/p/HzALiQ" target="_blank">https://c3.staticflickr.com/8/7726/27290854714_d194686d18_c.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/JsCVmw" target="_blank">https://c3.staticflickr.com/8/7289/27868416666_8064eef8c6_c.jpg</a> A good old carry handle cut-down would look best. But for an optic, I'd go with a M2/3 in a Wilcox.
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Posted: 6/25/2016 5:22:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 78Staff]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell: A good old carry handle cut-down would look best. But for an optic, I'd go with a M2/3 in a Wilcox. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell: Originally Posted By Alshooter1526: Got this guy back from the gunsmith yesterday. Colt upper and barrel with a KAC RAS and 4P. Want to pick up a peq2 soon and get an NT4 later down the road. What optic should I put on this guy? <a href="https://flic.kr/p/HzALiQ" target="_blank">https://c3.staticflickr.com/8/7726/27290854714_d194686d18_c.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/JsCVmw" target="_blank">https://c3.staticflickr.com/8/7289/27868416666_8064eef8c6_c.jpg</a> A good old carry handle cut-down would look best. But for an optic, I'd go with a M2/3 in a Wilcox. Second this - M2/M3 and Wilcox for sure. :). Also, can't believe how many guys are coming with 4P's... everyone I find is priced way up there. :( |
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Posted: 6/25/2016 5:54:10 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
If I could snag one around $200 (and not have to deal with the FFL nonsense  ), I'd probably grab one and sell off the Warden to recoup a couple bucks.Optics Planet wasn't too bad, their list is under retail to begin with, and if you can't find a 10-15% discount coupon code from them, you're just not trying. I paid $242.19 for mine. No clue why SWFA thinks you need an FFL for it, it's a fake can. A fake can. Yes, you have to wait for it to be special ordered... If you can't wait thirty days to get a fake can from Optics Planet, you may as well forget about ever having a real can.
The SF-TRAINER-556 has no holes in the side... again, y'all are thinking of the BFA and BSD. Could you do a Form 1 can using one? I guess with sufficient desire and dedication, but I frankly couldn't see it really being worth it, unless you cut the whole front off and just used the locking mechanism, in which case, you may as well start with a Warden. ~Augee |
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Posted: 6/25/2016 6:12:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Augee:
Optics Planet wasn't too bad, their list is under retail to begin with, and if you can't find a 10-15% discount coupon code from them, you're just not trying. I paid $242.19 for mine. No clue why SWFA thinks you need an FFL for it, it's a fake can. A fake can. Yes, you have to wait for it to be special ordered... If you can't wait thirty days to get a fake can from Optics Planet, you may as well forget about ever having a real can.
The SF-TRAINER-556 has no holes in the side... again, y'all are thinking of the BFA and BSD. Could you do a Form 1 can using one? I guess with sufficient desire and dedication, but I frankly couldn't see it really being worth it, unless you cut the whole front off and just used the locking mechanism, in which case, you may as well start with a Warden. ~Augee Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Augee:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
If I could snag one around $200 (and not have to deal with the FFL nonsense http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies /smiley_freak.gif), I'd probably grab one and sell off the Warden to recoup a couple bucks. Optics Planet wasn't too bad, their list is under retail to begin with, and if you can't find a 10-15% discount coupon code from them, you're just not trying. I paid $242.19 for mine. No clue why SWFA thinks you need an FFL for it, it's a fake can. A fake can. Yes, you have to wait for it to be special ordered... If you can't wait thirty days to get a fake can from Optics Planet, you may as well forget about ever having a real can.
The SF-TRAINER-556 has no holes in the side... again, y'all are thinking of the BFA and BSD. Could you do a Form 1 can using one? I guess with sufficient desire and dedication, but I frankly couldn't see it really being worth it, unless you cut the whole front off and just used the locking mechanism, in which case, you may as well start with a Warden. ~Augee I'm still thinking about grabbing one, but I'm waiting to see what my hook-up can get it for me. Secondary question...........OP lists them as fitting 556 and 762 mounts respectively. I'm 87% sure the mounts are the same regardless of the caliber. So is it just more clearance for the round like a real can would be? The Warden is caliber specific, so I just wanted to make sure I wouldn't grab the wrong one. |
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Posted: 6/25/2016 8:01:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ViktorVaughn]
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Posted: 6/25/2016 10:06:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
I'm still thinking about grabbing one, but I'm waiting to see what my hook-up can get it for me. Secondary question...........OP lists them as fitting 556 and 762 mounts respectively. I'm 87% sure the mounts are the same regardless of the caliber. So is it just more clearance for the round like a real can would be? The Warden is caliber specific, so I just wanted to make sure I wouldn't grab the wrong one. I'm honestly not sure what the difference is between the 556 and 762 version, however, my guess is/was that the SF-TRAINER-762 is probably the same length/weight as the SOCOM762-RC. Given the fact that a complete 9MM round will drop clear through the 556, I can't imagine the 762 having or needing more clearance, and it would begin to look even more absurd if the hole got much bigger. The purpose of the training adapter isn't to redirect anything like the Warden, it's simply to be a big, long, heavy attachment to the end of the barrel so that you can get hung up on doors and walls, etc. while running around a shoot-house doing close quarters shooting, so you're not training all your close quarters stuff with a snub-nosed weapon and not accounting for the extra 6" when you're actually doing it. I would assume that the important factor is/would be getting the length/weight right, which is what I assume the 762 training adapter to be. But, I never bothered to ask or confirm that, because I saw no reason not to just get the 5.56, especially since, if I ever get a .30 cal can, it'll probably be a MINI, not an full sized RC, which is the same size as the 5.56MM full size. ~Augee |
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