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5/27/2026 5:52:50 PM EDT
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ANOTHER OPTION

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5/27/2026 6:27:41 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TGWLDR:

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Nice. Were those used at all? Another option that I know is at best only slightly correct is the SF M73 which just looks cool.
5/27/2026 6:46:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bluedog82:


Nice. Were those used at all? Another option that I know is at best only slightly correct is the SF M73 which just looks cool.
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Originally Posted By TGWLDR:

ANOTHER OPTION

No price break.


Nice. Were those used at all? Another option that I know is at best only slightly correct is the SF M73 which just looks cool.

I haven't seen anything documented regarding in the wild pics but surely a possibility. Primarily Colt M4 Carbine & Diemaco C8 /UK or Canadian forces is my understanding.  

I have seen a few with the M73 railed handguards tho, individual purchase IIRC.

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There were a few approved subcontractors for the RAS (M4 &M5), P&S Products (later as Prudent American Technologies) ,  CAPCO, and B&T Machine (no association with the B&T linked here earlier though).
5/27/2026 7:02:28 PM EDT
[#4]
PSAs Sabre rail isn’t bad, the accessories aren’t kac size exactly but the rail isn’t bad
Game on!
5/27/2026 8:17:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dalle0001][Edited] [#5]
From what I remember psa originally shipped the upper with a p&s rail which would be clone correct. I guess they couldn’t source them anymore and it looks to me like they switched to the delton rails which won’t be clone correct at all.

You can find a kac rail on knight’s website every so often. Seems like they release them in batches.
5/27/2026 8:26:58 PM EDT
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Regarding the Prudent American Technologies RAS handguards and JJE Capital owning the rights, Jamin has Posted a few times here:

5/27/2026 9:09:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1AEGW][Edited] [#7]
Lots of M4 RAS's around right now. Check out Thoroughbred Armament and Wet Worx Outfitters.

Wet Worx

Thoroughbred is making uppers with them and Wet Worx has handguards currently either new or surplus.

If you want to clone these are two solid web sites to check out especially Thoroughbred.
5/27/2026 11:13:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TGWLDR:

ANOTHER OPTION

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Originally Posted By TGWLDR:

ANOTHER OPTION

No price break.

What's a PEQ 2 interface?
5/28/2026 5:22:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TGWLDR][Edited] [#9]
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Originally Posted By ELittlefield:

What's a PEQ 2 interface?
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Originally Posted By ELittlefield:
Originally Posted By TGWLDR:

ANOTHER OPTION

No price break.

What's a PEQ 2 interface?


There is a captured screw in the peq-2 that tightens down into the threaded hole of the mount. This screw will secure the PEQ 2 to the handguard.

(Basically, the handguard has a drilled / tapped hole to mount the PEQ 2).

Early quadrail shit before standardization of picitinny systems set in.
5/28/2026 7:08:48 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By TGWLDR:


There is a captured screw in the peq-2 that tightens down into the threaded hole of the mount. This screw will secure the PEQ 2 to the handguard.

(Basically, the handguard has a drilled / tapped hole to mount the PEQ 2).

Early quadrail shit before standardization of picitinny systems set in.
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Originally Posted By TGWLDR:
Originally Posted By ELittlefield:
Originally Posted By TGWLDR:

ANOTHER OPTION

No price break.

What's a PEQ 2 interface?


There is a captured screw in the peq-2 that tightens down into the threaded hole of the mount. This screw will secure the PEQ 2 to the handguard.

(Basically, the handguard has a drilled / tapped hole to mount the PEQ 2).

Early quadrail shit before standardization of picitinny systems set in.

Oh nice. The PEQ 2 picatinny mount is not that impressive.
5/28/2026 7:16:10 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By ELittlefield:

Oh nice. The PEQ 2 picatinny mount is not that impressive.
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Originally Posted By ELittlefield:
Originally Posted By TGWLDR:
Originally Posted By ELittlefield:
Originally Posted By TGWLDR:

ANOTHER OPTION

No price break.

What's a PEQ 2 interface?


There is a captured screw in the peq-2 that tightens down into the threaded hole of the mount. This screw will secure the PEQ 2 to the handguard.

(Basically, the handguard has a drilled / tapped hole to mount the PEQ 2).

Early quadrail shit before standardization of picitinny systems set in.

Oh nice. The PEQ 2 picatinny mount is not that impressive.

Lots of ingenuity had to happen in a short amount of time during that period regarding mounting systems, luckily things advanced quickly.
5/28/2026 7:23:11 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By TGWLDR:

Lots of ingenuity had to happen in a short amount of time during that period regarding mounting systems, luckily things advanced quickly.
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Originally Posted By TGWLDR:
Originally Posted By ELittlefield:
Originally Posted By TGWLDR:
Originally Posted By ELittlefield:
Originally Posted By TGWLDR:

ANOTHER OPTION

No price break.

What's a PEQ 2 interface?


There is a captured screw in the peq-2 that tightens down into the threaded hole of the mount. This screw will secure the PEQ 2 to the handguard.

(Basically, the handguard has a drilled / tapped hole to mount the PEQ 2).

Early quadrail shit before standardization of picitinny systems set in.

Oh nice. The PEQ 2 picatinny mount is not that impressive.

Lots of ingenuity had to happen in a short amount of time during that period regarding mounting systems, luckily things advanced quickly.

Yep, I'm certain it was vastly better than nothing for fighting at night, and worked fine at short range.
6/1/2026 4:01:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Combat_Diver][Edited] [#13]
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Originally Posted By TGWLDR:

I haven't seen anything documented regarding in the wild pics but surely a possibility. Primarily Colt M4 Carbine & Diemaco C8 /UK or Canadian forces is my understanding.  

I have seen a few with the M73 railed handguards tho, individual purchase IIRC.

Edit:

There were a few approved subcontractors for the RAS (M4 &M5), P&S Products (later as Prudent American Technologies) ,  CAPCO, and B&T Machine (no association with the B&T linked here earlier though).
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I was given both a SF M73 and SF AK rail in 05-06'  by the 5th SFGA S5.  Did use both for a while down range.  Gave the AK rail to host nation guy (below on my Bulgarian AK).  Still have the M73.  Only ones that I know of.  Group also purchased ARMS SIR rails as we were short at the time.

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Colt M16A2 (burst)
Bulgarian AK (select fire)
Iraqi Tobuk DMR (semi)
Colt M4A1 (auto)
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Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22-26'
Afghanistan: 09,10,11,14,17,-21'
6/1/2026 6:02:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:

I was given both a SF M73 and SF AK rail in 05-06'  by the 5th SFGA S5.  Did use both for a while down range.  Gave the AK rail to host nation guy (below on my Bulgarian AK).  Still have the M73.  Only ones that I know of.  Group also purchased ARMS SIR rails as we were short at the time.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/Picture_002_jpg-3771897.JPG

Colt M16A2 (burst)
Bulgarian AK (select fire)
Iraqi Tobuk DMR (semi)
Colt M4A1 (auto)
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Originally Posted By TGWLDR:

I haven't seen anything documented regarding in the wild pics but surely a possibility. Primarily Colt M4 Carbine & Diemaco C8 /UK or Canadian forces is my understanding.  

I have seen a few with the M73 railed handguards tho, individual purchase IIRC.

Edit:

There were a few approved subcontractors for the RAS (M4 &M5), P&S Products (later as Prudent American Technologies) ,  CAPCO, and B&T Machine (no association with the B&T linked here earlier though).

I was given both a SF M73 and SF AK rail in 05-06'  by the 5th SFGA S5.  Did use both for a while down range.  Gave the AK rail to host nation guy (below on my Bulgarian AK).  Still have the M73.  Only ones that I know of.  Group also purchased ARMS SIR rails as we were short at the time.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/Picture_002_jpg-3771897.JPG

Colt M16A2 (burst)
Bulgarian AK (select fire)
Iraqi Tobuk DMR (semi)
Colt M4A1 (auto)

Thanks for that info CD!
6/3/2026 8:18:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TGWLDR][Edited] [#15]
For anybody looking to get into a RAS on the cheap, there's one in the EE HERE

Operation Parts has the bits to mostly complete it for not much coin.
6/9/2026 1:46:14 PM EDT
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I'm pretty sure that this summer, I'm going to bite the bullet and buy a KAC NT4 for my Block 1 M4 and Mk18 uppers. Is there anything I should know, other than it's expensive? Any weird model differences, or anything you guys see newcomers overlooking?
6/15/2026 9:10:52 AM EDT
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Would a G2 cut to fit a Weaver ring be appropriate for an early GWOT build?
6/15/2026 10:24:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Combat_Diver][Edited] [#18]
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Originally Posted By TNTundra16:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/591334/Attach63778_20260615_071351_jpg-3779358.JPGWould a G2 cut to fit a Weaver ring be appropriate for an early GWOT build?
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Used to use 6P in a Weaver ring pre2000 on Block Is
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Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22-26'
Afghanistan: 09,10,11,14,17,-21'
6/15/2026 11:42:00 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:

Used to use 6P in a Weaver ring pre2000 on Block Is
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I'm also putting together a 961/962 also. I'll probably end up with a 6P at some point too. I'm shooting for 2001-2005 era
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6/15/2026 11:58:56 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By TNTundra16:

I'm also putting together a 961/962 also. I'll probably end up with a 6P at some point too. I'm shooting for 2001-2005 era
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/591334/Screenshot_20260615_103827_eBay_jpg-3779445.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/591334/Screenshot_20260615_103845_eBay_jpg-3779446.JPG
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Yeap used those in Iraq that time frame
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Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22-26'
Afghanistan: 09,10,11,14,17,-21'
6/15/2026 3:42:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bbridson][Edited] [#21]
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Originally Posted By ELittlefield:
I'm pretty sure that this summer, I'm going to bite the bullet and buy a KAC NT4 for my Block 1 M4 and Mk18 uppers. Is there anything I should know, other than it's expensive? Any weird model differences, or anything you guys see newcomers overlooking?
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It's normal for it to rotate a bit when installed properly. I thought mine was busted when I first put it on.

6/17/2026 9:59:51 AM EDT
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UID stickers seen much on Block 1s, especially USMC?
6/18/2026 9:02:55 PM EDT
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My humble beginnings of an M961. I have a parts light coming to scavenge an M49 mount and SW02 tailcap. Is the body appropriate for a 2004-2005 build? Surefire 2002 catalog shows the old round body with the flat milled where the logo is but I wasn't sure what year the fat body came out
6/19/2026 10:40:09 AM EDT
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After some digging I found this in a reddit thread. If this is in fact accurate I have the proper light for an '04-'05 era build. If someone can confirm this it'd be appreciated 🙏🏻
6/22/2026 7:14:23 PM EDT
[#25]
1st Gen Surefire M951s are on ebay. Several. I got 3. They're CHEAP! Only thing wrong is the tailcap appears to have had the tapeswitch cut off
6/27/2026 8:55:19 PM EDT
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My Surefire haul. Got a couple different style thumbscrew mounts. The one I haven't seen before.
6/27/2026 11:34:03 PM EDT
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Mission complete
6/29/2026 3:13:44 PM EDT
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Picked up an A.R.M.S. #17 mount with the wingless swan and without the lever stop. I think this is the correct mount to turn my 961 into a 962 although it doesn't have an NSN number like in the last picture. Can anyone confirm if this is the correct mount for the 1st gen Surefire round fat bodies with the flat milled for the logo?
6/29/2026 4:43:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TNTundra16:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/591334/Screenshot_20260629_104541_eBay_jpg-3787041.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/591334/Screenshot_20260629_104518_eBay_jpg-3787048.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/591334/Screenshot_20260629_104605_eBay_jpg-3787049.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/591334/Screenshot_20260629_140841_eBay_jpg-3787045.JPG Picked up an A.R.M.S. #17 mount with the wingless swan and without the lever stop. I think this is the correct mount to turn my 961 into a 962 although it doesn't have an NSN number like in the last picture. Can anyone confirm if this is the correct mount for the 1st gen Surefire round fat bodies with the flat milled for the logo?
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They were granted the NSN in 2005 I believe and started marking them that year, so an older one should be correct. There's like 4 or 5 different variations of #17 markings though and I haven't been able to track down the date ranges for all of them
Collector, historian, and enthusiast of A.R.M.S. rails, mounts, and accessories.
6/29/2026 5:37:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By thatARMSguy:
They were granted the NSN in 2005 I believe and started marking them that year, so an older one should be correct. There's like 4 or 5 different variations of #17 markings though and I haven't been able to track down the date ranges for all of them
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Awesome! Yeah I'm building a M962C from the 2002 Surefire catalog and based on pics posted from @Stukas87 for an early 2000s GWOT build Attached File
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7/1/2026 5:21:41 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TNTundra16:

Awesome! Yeah I'm building a M962C from the 2002 Surefire catalog and based on pics posted from @Stukas87 for an early 2000s GWOT build https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/591334/2002_surefire_weapons_catalog_260614_202-3787112.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/591334/Screenshot_20260622_192613_YouTube_jpg-3787113.JPG
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Damn thats a good looking dude
7/1/2026 9:46:56 PM EDT
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Damn thats a good looking dude
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Originally Posted By Stukas87:
Originally Posted By TNTundra16:

Awesome! Yeah I'm building a M962C from the 2002 Surefire catalog and based on pics posted from @Stukas87 for an early 2000s GWOT build https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/591334/2002_surefire_weapons_catalog_260614_202-3787112.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/591334/Screenshot_20260622_192613_YouTube_jpg-3787113.JPG



Damn thats a good looking dude

7/1/2026 10:43:24 PM EDT
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Damn thats a good looking dude
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7/2/2026 12:29:36 AM EDT
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Damn thats a good looking dude
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Ya,what happened!😅
If U can't Truck It F!@k It!
7/2/2026 6:36:52 AM EDT
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Damn thats a good looking dude
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Requirement for the Legion
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Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22-26'
Afghanistan: 09,10,11,14,17,-21'
7/2/2026 11:43:48 AM EDT
[#36]
New SOPMOD p0rn posted on youtube. Enjoy, my friends:)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG5RGeZmP8E
7/3/2026 1:13:56 PM EDT
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Couple upgrades to my early GWOT build. A.R.M.S. 17 mount so it's an M962 and a KAC 300m rear in place of the matech
7/9/2026 6:00:16 PM EDT
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Another piece of the Block 1 puzzle has landed. An Aimpoint CompM QRP mount. Hopefully once this rifle is complete it will be Jeff Gurwitch 2003 invasion of Iraq approved
7/9/2026 7:03:23 PM EDT
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Just an arms mount away from my second M962. Does this gen fatbody M962 qualify for a Block 1?
7/9/2026 8:04:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TNTundra16:
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I would say yes
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Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22-26'
Afghanistan: 09,10,11,14,17,-21'
7/9/2026 9:02:57 PM EDT
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I would say yes
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Thank you sir! I appreciate it!
7/10/2026 4:17:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RichieRich562][Edited] [#42]
I’m really wanting to do an nsw-ish 14.5 with an Aimpoint/wilcox mount and an LMT buis.  However, my limiting factor is a p/w 4 prong.  Any ref pics with this combo from any time frame?
7/17/2026 9:51:07 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TNTundra16:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/591334/20260709_175627_jpg-3792266.JPG Just an arms mount away from my second M962. Does this gen fatbody M962 qualify for a Block 1?
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Any links or a source for a new/used clicky cap for the 962?
7/17/2026 10:44:32 PM EDT
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Any links or a source for a new/used clicky cap for the 962?
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FleaBay has them from time to time. I got lucky and bought a parts light that had one on it
7/25/2026 3:46:51 AM EDT
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Got in touch with a local YouTuber gave him my M4 clone to review

Colt M4 AR 15 Falluja Style - 223Rem
7/25/2026 4:31:57 PM EDT
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Got in touch with a local YouTuber gave him my M4 clone to review

https://youtu.be/aKYZPlwsTEs?is=S6waUxOBlvuBgzAs
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"che scifo!" after the zombie test is right lol.  

wonder if he'd be down for a range day when we're back in Venezia in February......
7/28/2026 10:21:42 PM EDT
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Aside from acquiring a Colt N1 stock I think I qualify as a Block 1 now
7/31/2026 8:19:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DJ_Skinny][Edited] [#48]
Not my ad, but I saw these Wilcox Aimpoint mounts over on Tacswap. I know people are looking for these, so I'll drop the link here.

https://tacswap.com/post/6a1bb4390a11790fee3a6f51

P.S. I have no idea if this is a good price or not. Don't hit me.

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7/31/2026 8:26:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DJ_Skinny:
Not my ad, but I saw these Wilcox mounts over on Tacswap. I know people are looking for these, so I'll drop the link here.

https://tacswap.com/post/6a1bb4390a11790fee3a6f51

P.S. I have no idea if this is a good price or not. Don't hit me.

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Those aren't Wilcox. Those are factory Aimpoint.
God will not look you over for medals, diplomas, or degrees – but for scars
7/31/2026 8:34:43 PM EDT
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Those aren't Wilcox. Those are factory Aimpoint.
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Oops. My bad. I will edit. Thanks, SS.

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