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1/4/2008 10:13:59 PM EDT
[#1]
Just got the ACOG....
1/4/2008 10:26:07 PM EDT
[#2]
I thought knobs over the ejection port was faux pas.
Originally Posted By Zak-Smith:
I've no patience for internet dirt shooters.
1/4/2008 10:30:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DonnieBrasco][Edited] [#3]

Originally Posted By innocent_bystander:
I thought knobs over the ejection port was faux pas.


It came like that from the factory. It was one of the changes listed in the Record of Changes log." Switching mount thumbs screws to right side". Haven't had a chance to move it yet, and probably won't. I will just get the Larue mount.

Maybe I should turn the ACOG around to please to sticklers
1/4/2008 11:28:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Cyclic240B][Edited] [#4]

Originally Posted By 0612Devil:

Did your ACOG's mounting knobs come on that side from the factory?  Or is that personal preference?



Originally Posted By DonnieBrasco:

Originally Posted By innocent_bystander:
I thought knobs over the ejection port was faux pas.


It came like that from the factory. It was one of the changes listed in the Record of Changes log." Switching mount thumbs screws to right side". Haven't had a chance to move it yet, and probably won't. I will just get the Larue mount.

Maybe I should turn the ACOG around to please to sticklers


Mine did too. And nice build DB!
TANT QUE JE PUIS
1/4/2008 11:30:39 PM EDT
[#5]

Originally Posted By Cyclic240B:

Originally Posted By DonnieBrasco:

Originally Posted By innocent_bystander:
I thought knobs over the ejection port was faux pas.


It came like that from the factory. It was one of the changes listed in the Record of Changes log." Switching mount thumbs screws to right side". Haven't had a chance to move it yet, and probably won't. I will just get the Larue mount.

Maybe I should turn the ACOG around to please to sticklers


Mine did too. And nice build DB!


Thanks man!

I like yours too. What sling are you using?
1/4/2008 11:30:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MajorAR][Edited] [#6]
The thumb screws on the right hand side.....don't interfere with the charging handle release now during Type 1 malfunctions/stoppages react drills.  That's why the change was made....

Maj
03's...... a body of men created to rectify the mistakes of diplomats.

-Unknown
1/4/2008 11:33:28 PM EDT
[#7]

Originally Posted By MajorAR:
The thumb screws on the right hand side.....don't interfere with the charging handle release now during Type 1 malfunctions/stoppages react drills.  That's why the change was made....

Maj


Did the old ones interfere? Was there a change made? Thanks for the info!
1/4/2008 11:34:29 PM EDT
[#8]

Originally Posted By DonnieBrasco:

Originally Posted By Cyclic240B:

Originally Posted By DonnieBrasco:

Originally Posted By innocent_bystander:
I thought knobs over the ejection port was faux pas.


It came like that from the factory. It was one of the changes listed in the Record of Changes log." Switching mount thumbs screws to right side". Haven't had a chance to move it yet, and probably won't. I will just get the Larue mount.

Maybe I should turn the ACOG around to please to sticklers


Mine did too. And nice build DB!


Thanks man!

I like yours too. What sling are you using?


That is the Eagle Industries TAS-1/OD .
TANT QUE JE PUIS
1/4/2008 11:36:17 PM EDT
[#9]
I can't say for sure....but it has resulted from several AARs out of theater.  At least that is what I'm hearing from my sources in the USMC.

Maj
03's...... a body of men created to rectify the mistakes of diplomats.

-Unknown
1/5/2008 9:59:25 AM EDT
[#10]
+1  

TA31RCO models are issued with the knobs on the right side.

~Augee
1/5/2008 4:49:46 PM EDT
[#11]

Originally Posted By DonnieBrasco:

Originally Posted By innocent_bystander:
I thought knobs over the ejection port was faux pas.


It came like that from the factory. It was one of the changes listed in the Record of Changes log." Switching mount thumbs screws to right side". Haven't had a chance to move it yet, and probably won't. I will just get the Larue mount.

Maybe I should turn the ACOG around to please to sticklers


I can't see how it would make any difference better or worse.
1/5/2008 5:13:01 PM EDT
[#12]
Ours were issued with the knobs on the left side.  I moved mine to the right after seeing someone else in a different unit who had done that.

I practice slapping the bolt release in reloads, and with the knobs on the left, that can get painful.  I have also grabbed the knobs by mistake when I was trying to rack the action.
1/5/2008 5:33:46 PM EDT
[#13]

Originally Posted By Postal0311:
Ours were issued with the knobs on the left side.  I moved mine to the right after seeing someone else in a different unit who had done that.

I practice slapping the bolt release in reloads, and with the knobs on the left, that can get painful.  I have also grabbed the knobs by mistake when I was trying to rack the action.


That is why the knobs were moved to the "correct" side.  
03's...... a body of men created to rectify the mistakes of diplomats.

-Unknown
1/5/2008 11:51:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: popodaman][Edited] [#14]
DonnieBrasco could you give the Specs of your Rifle???

That is a very Nice A4.

Thanks for Sharing
1/5/2008 11:59:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Darkstar117][Edited] [#15]

Originally Posted By popodaman:
DonnieBrasco could you give the Specs of your Rifle???

That is a very Nice A4.

Thanks for Sharing


Looks like:

Knights M5 rail
Magpul MAID full kit (Winter guard installed)
ACOG with Killflash
USAF SSgt 2W171 Aircraft Armament Systems

They shot down a predator, that's one less slot for me...

Hands down you've got the coolest wife! - Pattymcn

كافر
1/6/2008 12:51:28 AM EDT
[#16]

Originally Posted By Darkstar117:

Originally Posted By popodaman:
DonnieBrasco could you give the Specs of your Rifle???

That is a very Nice A4.

Thanks for Sharing


Looks like:

Knights M5 rail
Magpul MAID full kit (Winter guard installed)
ACOG with Killflash


Yup, Darkstar117 is right. The only other thing is it was a Bushmaster "Tax-Time" Upper and a Rock River Arms Lower.

I have not had a chance to shoot it with the ACOG. I can't wait.
1/6/2008 1:59:11 AM EDT
[#17]

Originally Posted By DonnieBrasco:

Originally Posted By Darkstar117:

Originally Posted By popodaman:
DonnieBrasco could you give the Specs of your Rifle???

That is a very Nice A4.

Thanks for Sharing


Looks like:

Knights M5 rail
Magpul MAID full kit (Winter guard installed)
ACOG with Killflash


Yup, Darkstar117 is right. The only other thing is it was a Bushmaster "Tax-Time" Upper and a Rock River Arms Lower.

I have not had a chance to shoot it with the ACOG. I can't wait.


Thanks for the fast respond.

Looks like Sabre Defense or BushMaster Upper. Tried to go through FN's LE Div. for a complete upper, but they said NO GO.
1/7/2008 12:25:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dayphotog][Edited] [#18]
OH
Just got my upper delivered by UPS that I ordered and it has an H-bar

I specifically asked the dealer if it had a gov-profile barrel and t-marks.
it has t-marked upper thought they are smaller and not  colored in.

So I guess I have to return it to have a somewhat correct clone. What a bummer



Just looked at the receipt and it says 20% restocking fee on all returned orders



have gun will travel

Well you seen much combat? ......... I've seen a little on TV.

We are jolly green giants, walking the Earth with guns.
1/7/2008 1:16:38 PM EDT
[#19]

Originally Posted By dayphotog:
OH
Just got my upper delivered by UPS that I ordered and it has an H-bar

I specifically asked the dealer if it had a gov-profile barrel and t-marks.
it has t-marked upper thought they are smaller and not  colored in.

So I guess I have to return it to have a somewhat correct clone. What a bummer



Just looked at the receipt and it says 20% restocking fee on all returned orders





Demand your money back...
Starting a race thread on Arfcom is like starting a land war in Asia. -Fatbert

I have one of those. (Coach gun)
It makes me want to sit on the hood of my truck and let my wife drive me to the bank.
-MrClean4Hire
1/7/2008 1:47:36 PM EDT
[#20]

Originally Posted By HK_Shooter_03:

Originally Posted By dayphotog:
OH
Just got my upper delivered by UPS that I ordered and it has an H-bar

I specifically asked the dealer if it had a gov-profile barrel and t-marks.
it has t-marked upper thought they are smaller and not  colored in.

So I guess I have to return it to have a somewhat correct clone. What a bummer



Just looked at the receipt and it says 20% restocking fee on all returned orders





Demand your money back...


+1, that's Bullshit...
To the unnamed member who purchased this Team Membership for me, thank you very much...
1/7/2008 1:50:14 PM EDT
[#21]

Originally Posted By 0612Devil:


+1, that's Bullshit...


Agreed. They send you the wrong item and you have to pay for their mistake? What "Company" is this so I can avoid their asses?
TANT QUE JE PUIS
1/7/2008 3:56:14 PM EDT
[#22]

Originally Posted By Cyclic240B:

Originally Posted By 0612Devil:


+1, that's Bullshit...


Agreed. They send you the wrong item and you have to pay for their mistake? What "Company" is this so I can avoid their asses?


well I will wait for their response back before I post what company it is. that was just on the receipt and not the actual people at the place. I emailed back and am waiting for a reply. I may call once I get done with work too.

well once I get this sorted out I will post pics of my build..just taking a little longer than I wanted
have gun will travel

Well you seen much combat? ......... I've seen a little on TV.

We are jolly green giants, walking the Earth with guns.
1/7/2008 7:58:28 PM EDT
[#23]

Originally Posted By DonnieBrasco:

Originally Posted By Darkstar117:

Originally Posted By popodaman:
DonnieBrasco could you give the Specs of your Rifle???

That is a very Nice A4.

Thanks for Sharing


Looks like:

Knights M5 rail
Magpul MAID full kit (Winter guard installed)
ACOG with Killflash


Yup, Darkstar117 is right. The only other thing is it was a Bushmaster "Tax-Time" Upper and a Rock River Arms Lower.

I have not had a chance to shoot it with the ACOG. I can't wait.


Please post results!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Nice set up.  Thanks for the info on the sling!!!!
1/14/2008 6:14:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Lumpy196][Edited] [#24]

Originally Posted By bloodmoon:

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Dont have it anymore, and I wish I did.  It was a fun field gun.

i25.photobucket.com/albums/c55/ChrisV196/LA4.jpg?t=1187999814

i25.photobucket.com/albums/c55/ChrisV196/LA4201.jpg?t=1187999887
why did you get rid of it if I my ask.



I have no practical use for an AR with a barrel longer than 16"



Originally Posted By DonnieBrasco:
i168.photobucket.com/albums/u175/donniebrasco223/IMG_0877.jpg


It was originally a Giles 3-point made for an M16A2.  Cut the front handguard strap off and attached it to a KAC QD rail mount with a spare buckle.
1/18/2008 5:13:55 PM EDT
[#25]
FInally thanks to CMMG





cmmg 20" gov-profile upper
correct acog
M5 ras
bushmaster lower


have to put on the sling and grip and will be good to go!

have gun will travel

Well you seen much combat? ......... I've seen a little on TV.

We are jolly green giants, walking the Earth with guns.
1/20/2008 11:50:23 PM EDT
[#26]
1/21/2008 12:07:47 AM EDT
[#27]
No rail or Acog. This is as close as it gets for me.


1/25/2008 2:52:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: platypusREX][Edited] [#28]
I changed the mount and got a Canon SD 1000 and...................


1/29/2008 7:10:26 PM EDT
[#29]
Please excuse the noob question.

I started my first AR15 build and after going through this thread I have dedcided to make it a M16A4 clone.  I just ordered a RRA Standard A4 upper.  The specs on the website state that it comes with a HBAR.  Will I be able to use the KAC RAS with the HBAR or will I have to change it to a government profile barrel?
1/29/2008 8:19:16 PM EDT
[#30]
Slimbore, the M5 RAS will work with many HBARs but not all.  It depends on the barrel profile(not all made the same).  I do not know if the RRAs are profiled as required.  Personally I would use the Govt profile since the RAS is heavy enough on its own.
1/29/2008 8:26:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: sic_ness][Edited] [#31]
Ditto to Postal0311s advice, the gov't profile is desirable. With no rails, a 20" govt profile balances perfectly, but that extra few ounces starts to make it nose-heavy faster and faster...

Maybe sell the barrel, or if you're hot on it, get it re-profiled at one of the many reputable 'smiths listed in the Industry section...

P.S. Hmm.. now that I posted I should find a pis of my A4 clone....

well I only have one pic of it, before I mucked it up with krylon, a scope, and a bipod


Bushmaster 1/7 gov't profile, obviously an ARMs 40-A2 BUIS. I never did get that Aimpoint I wanted when I built the thing...
1/29/2008 8:29:06 PM EDT
[#32]
The KAC M5 will fit over the HBAR.

I used a Sabre Defence A4 upper with "F" FSB and 1:7" Gov't profile for my clone:



Never mind the Reflex; it's all I had lying around. Admittedly it does give a better sight picture mounted on the receiver, but I wanted the carry handle on there in lieu of a BUIS. Maybe I'll upgrade in the near future if all goes well... I'll have to choose a BUIS and an optic. I've tried the EOTECH and I liked it, so I'll most likely go that route.
Rest In Peace, Heather. I love you.
4/8/68 - 3/2/07

Check out Heather's blog:
http://livingwithmelanoma.blogspot.com/
1/29/2008 8:43:40 PM EDT
[#33]

Originally Posted By FITTER:
The KAC M5 will fit over the HBAR.

I used a Sabre Defence A4 upper with "F" FSB and 1:7" Gov't profile for my clone:

i35.photobucket.com/albums/d162/Pat_Sajac/Weapons/A4jpeg.jpg

Never mind the Reflex; it's all I had lying around. Admittedly it does give a better sight picture mounted on the receiver, but I wanted the carry handle on there in lieu of a BUIS. Maybe I'll upgrade in the near future if all goes well... I'll have to choose a BUIS and an optic. I've tried the EOTECH and I liked it, so I'll most likely go that route.


Cut the carry handle and use both on the receiver...
1/29/2008 9:10:26 PM EDT
[#34]

Originally Posted By HK_Shooter_03:
Cut the carry handle and use both on the receiver...


Nah... the ones I've seen in actual use had the carry handles on them, and I wanted to stick to that configuration. They didn't have the VFG, either, but this rifle balances nicely with the TD grip mounted where it is. I'll probably pick up an ARMS#40 and keep the carry handle in one piece.
Rest In Peace, Heather. I love you.
4/8/68 - 3/2/07

Check out Heather's blog:
http://livingwithmelanoma.blogspot.com/
1/30/2008 12:57:27 AM EDT
[#35]

Originally Posted By sic_ness:
Ditto to Postal0311s advice, the gov't profile is desirable. With no rails, a 20" govt profile balances perfectly, but that extra few ounces starts to make it nose-heavy faster and faster...

Maybe sell the barrel, or if you're hot on it, get it re-profiled at one of the many reputable 'smiths listed in the Industry section...

P.S. Hmm.. now that I posted I should find a pis of my A4 clone....

well I only have one pic of it, before I mucked it up with krylon, a scope, and a bipod
i20.photobucket.com/albums/b248/NickHugelarge/myA4gery6.jpg

Bushmaster 1/7 gov't profile, obviously an ARMs 40-A2 BUIS. I never did get that Aimpoint I wanted when I built the thing...


Big ditto. That why I cant understand why people cover the rails where it is not needed. Mine is the one just like yours, almost.
1/30/2008 1:35:09 AM EDT
[#36]
This thread has me wanting to say F*** my budget and order a CMMG upper to complete my A4gery build.  Though i won't be able to shoot it any sooner since my toys are in another state while I'm stuck here in NC getting my education .  I should have just enlisted out of high school....but I've come to far to stop now and with only 1 year left it would be foolish of me to stop.  That and I've got a great job lined up for this summer, the military will always be there after I graduate
1/30/2008 8:18:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Postal0311][Edited] [#37]

Originally Posted By platypusREX:
Big ditto. That why I cant understand why people cover the rails where it is not needed. Mine is the one just like yours, almost.


Rails get damaged with hard use.  Cheaper to replace rail panels then to replace a rail.

Also, 1913 rails double as cheese graters.  Aluminum is a nice heat conductor.  Try leaving the rail out in the middle eastern sun for a while and grabing it bare handed.
1/30/2008 8:28:21 AM EDT
[#38]

Originally Posted By K1rodeoboater:
This thread has me wanting to say F*** my budget and order a CMMG upper to complete my A4gery build.


That may be your only option (unless you want to spend the money for a Colt). I'd suggest looking for the Sabre Defence upper, as it's MUCH nicer than the CMMG. I bought mine from PK Arms quite a while back, but I see that these uppers are no longer listed on the PK website.

Rest In Peace, Heather. I love you.
4/8/68 - 3/2/07

Check out Heather's blog:
http://livingwithmelanoma.blogspot.com/
1/30/2008 12:51:12 PM EDT
[#39]

Originally Posted By FITTER:

Originally Posted By K1rodeoboater:
This thread has me wanting to say F*** my budget and order a CMMG upper to complete my A4gery build.


That may be your only option (unless you want to spend the money for a Colt). I'd suggest looking for the Sabre Defence upper, as it's MUCH nicer than the CMMG. I bought mine from PK Arms quite a while back, but I see that these uppers are no longer listed on the PK website.



I got mine there too, wonder why they don't have them anymore?
TANT QUE JE PUIS
2/17/2008 5:55:49 AM EDT
[#40]
Bump to keep this out of the archives
2/17/2008 6:17:30 AM EDT
[#41]


2/22/2008 12:01:20 PM EDT
[#42]
nice stick
3/2/2008 5:10:56 PM EDT
[#43]
Here's my contribution. I apologoze for the crappy pics.





T.A.N.S.T.A.A.F.L!

YATYAS
3/2/2008 5:54:41 PM EDT
[#44]

Originally Posted By joelad:
Here's my contribution. I apologoze for the crappy pics.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v735/joelad/P1010518.jpg

img.photobucket.com/albums/v735/joelad/P1010519.jpg

img.photobucket.com/albums/v735/joelad/P1010520.jpg


Nicely done  A4 clone!
TANT QUE JE PUIS
3/7/2008 6:20:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: speedballalice][Edited] [#45]
Finally got my ACOG. I'm looking forward to getting it sighted in.


3/7/2008 10:30:00 PM EDT
[#46]

3/8/2008 12:43:36 AM EDT
[#47]
3/13/2008 7:09:26 PM EDT
[#48]
I am now officially a member of the club.  The brown truck just dropped off my upper.  I attempted to install the RAS M5 and it does not fit over the HBAR.  Looks like it will be heading to ADCO for a trip on their lathe.

3/13/2008 7:27:54 PM EDT
[#49]
I have a stripped RRA lower and a used M5 RAS I picked up in a trade. I'm starting to have enough BRD (I only own a Recce) that I'm trying to decide if I should use those two parts to give birth to a A4 clone.
"What do you want to do now, Captain?"
"What we always do. Fight 'em until we can't.", CPT Kara Thrace
3/13/2008 8:36:26 PM EDT
[#50]

Originally Posted By Slimbone:
I am now officially a member of the club.  The brown truck just dropped off my upper.  I attempted to install the RAS M5 and it does not fit over the HBAR.  Looks like it will be heading to ADCO for a trip on their lathe.

i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/Slimbone/DSC00113.jpg



Looks great so far.  Trust me, you'll be impressed with the weight savings.  A .gov profile 20" with irons is a very well balanced rifle.  
To the unnamed member who purchased this Team Membership for me, thank you very much...

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