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Posted: 5/20/2019 1:43:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Combat_Diver]
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Don't get this ammo that often. M955 AP. Gun shoots dead on with M855A1 and Mk262. No rezeroing after pulling off from my 10.3" URG.
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MN, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2019 10:49:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: JLS81]
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Friday range trip was smacking IPSEC steel plates and 6 inch and 8 inch gongs at 300 yards and also CQB work.
Finished off with running 200 yards smacking steel gong at 300 yards. My heart was racing pretty good especially returning to firing line in 25 mile cross wind. Ripped 40 rounds of Wolf steel at I'd estimate 70% hit rate. Thought I had my hold dialed in only to miss on follow ups. Not sure it was me and lack of sprint cardio or variance of cheap steel case ammo at 300 yards and cross wind. Might been little of both. I love shooting in crap weather!! You can't pull this stuff off in fair weather shooting when the range is chock full. Rainy days snowing days are my fav range days. Day reminded me of Hohenfels Germany circa 1984-1986 , Wet, miserable and soaked to the bone after 4 hours of gunning!! Had no issues running the little work horse 3x in CQB reps. She's a keeper despite weighing in now at a hefty 9.19 lbs. 
The PA 3x Prism is an ugly step sister to the ACOG. Not a prom queen by any stretch and I may be committing sacrilege in the clone thread by showing her. 
Not as sexy as her sister the Acog but like a Timex "takes a licking and keeps on ticking 
Would I like an ACOG? Yes!! but my budget allows for the PA 3x for now. Budget option for guys considering glass. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2019 11:16:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLS81:
Friday range trip was smacking IPSEC steel plates and 6 inch and 8 inch gongs at 300 yards and also CQB work. Finished off with running 200 yards smacking steel gong at 300 yards. My heart was racing pretty good especially returning to firing line in 25 mile cross wind. Ripped 40 rounds of Wolf steel at I'd estimate 70% hit rate. Thought I had my hold dialed in only to miss on follow ups. Not sure it was me and lack of sprint cardio or variance if cheap steel case ammo at 300 yards and cross wind. Might been little of both. I love shooting in crap weather!! You can't pull this stuff off in fair weather shooting when the range is chock full. Rainy days snowing days are my fav range days. Day reminded me of Hohenfels Germany circa 1984-1986 , Wet, miserable and soaked to the bone after 4 hours of gunning!! Had no issues running the little work horse 3x in CQB reps. She's a keeper despite weighing in now at a hefty 9.19 lbs. https://www.dropbox.com/s/jix13z6jfb7i61e/IMG_1117.jpg?raw=1 The PA 3x Prism is an ugly step sister to the ACOG. Not a prom queen by any stretch and I may be committing sacrilege in the clone thread by showing her. https://www.dropbox.com/s/jmzvrc4nwwkm7v2/FN20-PA3X.jpg?raw=1 Not as sexy as her prom queen Acog but like a Time-X "takes a licking and keeps on ticking https://www.dropbox.com/s/hgroskkdyum58d6/IMG_1115.jpg?raw=1 Would I like an ACOG? Yes!! but my budget allows for the PA 3x for now. Budget option for guys considering glass. 
Must be an Army thing to run the sling inside out. 
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Posted: 5/26/2019 12:49:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLS81:
Friday range trip was smacking IPSEC steel plates and 6 inch and 8 inch gongs at 300 yards and also CQB work. Finished off with running 200 yards smacking steel gong at 300 yards. My heart was racing pretty good especially returning to firing line in 25 mile cross wind. Ripped 40 rounds of Wolf steel at I'd estimate 70% hit rate. Thought I had my hold dialed in only to miss on follow ups. Not sure it was me and lack of sprint cardio or variance if cheap steel case ammo at 300 yards and cross wind. Might been little of both. I love shooting in crap weather!! You can't pull this stuff off in fair weather shooting when the range is chock full. Rainy days snowing days are my fav range days. Day reminded me of Hohenfels Germany circa 1984-1986 , Wet, miserable and soaked to the bone after 4 hours of gunning!! Had no issues running the little work horse 3x in CQB reps. She's a keeper despite weighing in now at a hefty 9.19 lbs. https://www.dropbox.com/s/jix13z6jfb7i61e/IMG_1117.jpg?raw=1 The PA 3x Prism is an ugly step sister to the ACOG. Not a prom queen by any stretch and I may be committing sacrilege in the clone thread by showing her. https://www.dropbox.com/s/jmzvrc4nwwkm7v2/FN20-PA3X.jpg?raw=1 Not as sexy as her prom queen Acog but like a Time-X "takes a licking and keeps on ticking https://www.dropbox.com/s/hgroskkdyum58d6/IMG_1115.jpg?raw=1 Would I like an ACOG? Yes!! but my budget allows for the PA 3x for now. Budget option for guys considering glass. And the range!!! |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 6:08:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: wissota4]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLS81:
Friday range trip was smacking IPSEC steel plates and 6 inch and 8 inch gongs at 300 yards and also CQB work. Finished off with running 200 yards smacking steel gong at 300 yards. My heart was racing pretty good especially returning to firing line in 25 mile cross wind. Ripped 40 rounds of Wolf steel at I'd estimate 70% hit rate. Thought I had my hold dialed in only to miss on follow ups. Not sure it was me and lack of sprint cardio or variance if cheap steel case ammo at 300 yards and cross wind. Might been little of both. I love shooting in crap weather!! You can't pull this stuff off in fair weather shooting when the range is chock full. Rainy days snowing days are my fav range days. Day reminded me of Hohenfels Germany circa 1984-1986 , Wet, miserable and soaked to the bone after 4 hours of gunning!! Had no issues running the little work horse 3x in CQB reps. She's a keeper despite weighing in now at a hefty 9.19 lbs. https://www.dropbox.com/s/jix13z6jfb7i61e/IMG_1117.jpg?raw=1 The PA 3x Prism is an ugly step sister to the ACOG. Not a prom queen by any stretch and I may be committing sacrilege in the clone thread by showing her. https://www.dropbox.com/s/jmzvrc4nwwkm7v2/FN20-PA3X.jpg?raw=1 Not as sexy as her prom queen Acog but like a Time-X "takes a licking and keeps on ticking https://www.dropbox.com/s/hgroskkdyum58d6/IMG_1115.jpg?raw=1 Would I like an ACOG? Yes!! but my budget allows for the PA 3x for now. Budget option for guys considering glass. @JLS81 |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2019 6:48:36 PM EDT
[#6]
Any of you guys build any AR/M16A4 clones using barrels with heavier profiles then the A2/A4 Gov. profiles? I built my AR15A4 with a 20" Criterion Hybrid contour barrel. I still need the KAC M5 RAS rail, rail covers and VFG.
New York Hunter. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 7:01:01 PM EDT
[#7]
Time to buy an ACOG and complete my clone.
Is the discrepancy between TA01's and a TA31RCOA4's BDC reticle noticable? Is the extra cash for an A4 worth it over a cheaper TA01? |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2019 10:53:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JLS81]
[#8]
JupiterMaximus good catch sir! Arse backward in the pic it’s squared away now.
I sure like that sling as compared to the silent sling, nice upgrade. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 5/27/2019 9:28:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Hojo15]
[#9]
My humble A4gery entrys. I know the grips are wrong but can't stand the A2 grip. BFG sling, LBT stock pouch and KAC vertical grip, Vortex is a place holder until I can get an Aimpoint
Specter Gear Armed Forces Deployment Package 2 Point Tactical Sling and LBT stock pouch 
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Posted: 5/27/2019 10:11:14 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hojo15:
My humble A4gery entry. I know the grip is wrong but can't stand the A2 grip. BFG sling and KAC vertical grip are on order https://i.imgur.com/5WBm4IV.jpg |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 5/28/2019 11:50:13 AM EDT
[#11]
Check IM sir.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 5/28/2019 8:16:06 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SoloDallas:
Love the items, but the picture came also super sharp and neat Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SoloDallas:
Originally Posted By Hojo15:
My humble A4gery entry. I know the grip is wrong but can't stand the A2 grip. BFG sling and KAC vertical grip are on order https://i.imgur.com/5WBm4IV.jpg |
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Posted: 5/30/2019 2:01:42 PM EDT
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My A4ish build. My oldest son and I built this as an A2 from PSA parts a long time ago. Long story, but we don't really speak anymore. However, he did overcome some hurdles, and he leaves for Marine Corps boot camp before the end of the year. I decided to finish the rifle as an A4, because thats what he always wanted, and give it to him as a boot camp graduation present.
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Posted: 5/30/2019 2:32:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dr_Nimslow:
My A4ish build. My oldest son and I built this as an A2 from PSA parts a long time ago. Long story, but we don't really speak anymore. However, he did overcome some hurdles, and he leaves for Marine Corps boot camp before the end of the year. I decided to finish the rifle as an A4, because thats what he always wanted, and give it to him as a boot camp graduation present. https://i.imgur.com/MdrrIV3.jpg And I implore you, try and regain a dialogue with your son. From just another dad. |
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Posted: 6/3/2019 5:35:46 PM EDT
[#15]
I'm functionally stupid and have a dumb question...
Which sling and stock pouch goes with the A4? |
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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:21:42 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TexasTradition:
I'm functionally stupid and have a dumb question... Which sling and stock pouch goes with the A4? |
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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:39:50 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TexasTradition:
I'm functionally stupid and have a dumb question... Which sling and stock pouch goes with the A4? |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 6/17/2019 10:20:50 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hojo15:
My humble A4gery entry. I know the grip is wrong but can't stand the A2 grip. BFG sling and KAC vertical grip are on order https://i.imgur.com/5WBm4IV.jpg |
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USA
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Posted: 6/17/2019 10:46:38 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLS81:
Friday range trip was smacking IPSEC steel plates and 6 inch and 8 inch gongs at 300 yards and also CQB work. Finished off with running 200 yards smacking steel gong at 300 yards. My heart was racing pretty good especially returning to firing line in 25 mile cross wind. Ripped 40 rounds of Wolf steel at I'd estimate 70% hit rate. Thought I had my hold dialed in only to miss on follow ups. Not sure it was me and lack of sprint cardio or variance of cheap steel case ammo at 300 yards and cross wind. Might been little of both. I love shooting in crap weather!! You can't pull this stuff off in fair weather shooting when the range is chock full. Rainy days snowing days are my fav range days. Day reminded me of Hohenfels Germany circa 1984-1986 , Wet, miserable and soaked to the bone after 4 hours of gunning!! Had no issues running the little work horse 3x in CQB reps. She's a keeper despite weighing in now at a hefty 9.19 lbs. https://www.dropbox.com/s/jix13z6jfb7i61e/IMG_1117.jpg?raw=1 The PA 3x Prism is an ugly step sister to the ACOG. Not a prom queen by any stretch and I may be committing sacrilege in the clone thread by showing her. https://www.dropbox.com/s/jmzvrc4nwwkm7v2/FN20-PA3X.jpg?raw=1 Not as sexy as her sister the Acog but like a Timex "takes a licking and keeps on ticking https://www.dropbox.com/s/hgroskkdyum58d6/IMG_1115.jpg?raw=1 Would I like an ACOG? Yes!! but my budget allows for the PA 3x for now. Budget option for guys considering glass. |
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Posted: 6/17/2019 10:50:35 AM EDT
[#20]
I snagged a newish FN 20" government barrel finally, it's time for an A4 clone to grace my safe once again!
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USA
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Posted: 6/17/2019 9:33:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: infectedorganism]
[#21]
Is this M5 legit?
I asked in another thread, but don't believe I got any definitive answer. Tig and others helped a ton, but I don't think we ever got to the bottom of it. Asking again before I forget; will pick up a legit rail if this one is suspect. This came equipped on a Colt AR15A4 I recently acquired in a trade. All in all, it seems legit; however, I've never seen an M5 void of any markings under the top rail or the bottom rail having a screw. It also came with a VFG and a full, bagged panel kit. Compared to the M4 RAS I have, the panels, bag and VFG are legit. This is my first M5 so I'm not familiar with them, it just differs from all of the pictures I've found on the net. Box: 
Top rail, void of any markings: 
Bottom rail; heat shield looks legit: 
M203 Barrel Stop: 
Missing spring; anyone know where to source another? 
Top AND bottom rail have screws? Yes, I removed them: 
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Posted: 6/17/2019 10:31:28 PM EDT
[#22]
Fired my rifle recently but sadly somehow lost my light cover. The infrared filter I have left also keeps dropping the lense out for some reason
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CA, USA
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Posted: 6/19/2019 12:22:12 AM EDT
[#23]
https://palmettostatearmory.com/20-chf-a2-premium-rifle-kit.html
What do you guys think of this for an a4 clone? Everything looks correct to me. |
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Posted: 6/19/2019 1:45:33 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mauser48A:
https://palmettostatearmory.com/20-chf-a2-premium-rifle-kit.html What do you guys think of this for an a4 clone? Everything looks correct to me. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 6/19/2019 11:44:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By C6H12O6: I liked mine except for the handguards which went straight in the garbage. |
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Posted: 6/19/2019 5:51:52 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mauser48A:
Thanks, I was planning on ditching them for an m5 ras anyway. Did yours come with a palmetto marked bcg? Not sure if it's the freedom or the premium line that has those. Also, is this the same FN barrel as the military A4s just with different markings? Sorry for the mixup. |
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Posted: 6/19/2019 8:34:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Solo_]
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Posted: 6/20/2019 8:04:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3ACR_Scout]
[#28]
Hey folks, I considered posting this question in the Barrels subforum, but I figured all the A4 experts are here, so I’d get more feedback from this thread. I have two FNMI A4 barrels, one ‘03 FNMI-marked that I got last year off eBay (believe it or not) and an ‘09 CAGE code barrel that came from Ohio Ordnance as part of one of their complete uppers. The FNMI-marked barrel appears to have some kind of smooth coating over the parkerized finish, and I was wondering if that is something that FN did in the past when finishing their barrels, or if that might have been something a secondhand owner did. In the photo below, you can see that the FNMI-marked barrel (on top) has a small chip in the finish just behind the crush washer (which is not tightened down, just FYI) where the gray parkerizing underneath is showing through. I noticed a little blemish there and picked at it with my fingernail, and the coating flaked off a little.
 Attached FileThe FSB does not have this coating, as you can see below. The barrel came without a front handguard cap, which I was planning to add, but it looks like there’s almost no gap behind the FSB to accommodate the thickness of the cap. I haven’t dealt with this before, so maybe there’s enough room to fit the thin sheet metal cap, but I’m wondering if a replacement FSB might have been installed and pinned without the handguard cap installed. The FSB is F and FN marked, so it could be original.  Attached FileLastly, the left hand feedramp has a bit of metal flash, or something, along the left side, which could be easily filed down (or worn down by feeding rounds), but it seems a little sloppy.  Attached FileI also have an FNMI A2 barrel, which is not coated like this - its finish looks the same as the CAGE code barrel. Thanks for any insight that you all can offer - I’m pondering looking for another FNMI-marked barrel or maybe asking John Thomas to refinish and reassemble this one (it has some finish wear on the FSB ears and needs a sling loop added also). I’m being picky, but I’m trying to clone the brand new A4 that I was issued back in ‘04 and would like it to look new. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 6/23/2019 2:26:12 PM EDT
[#29]
Pros and cons of the two BFG A2 stock sling adaptors. Thanks
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USA
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Posted: 6/23/2019 11:35:57 PM EDT
[#30]
Those are legit. Numbering is different than the standard RAS. I believe they were originally produced for Canadian forces. They have the SAS type bottom. For some reason I’ve see a lot of these on M16a2 rifles in NG units.
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USA
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Posted: 6/23/2019 11:38:05 PM EDT
[#31]
Meant to quote you for the above response.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By infectedorganism:
Is this M5 legit? I asked in another thread, but don't believe I got any definitive answer. Tig and others helped a ton, but I don't think we ever got to the bottom of it. Asking again before I forget; will pick up a legit rail if this one is suspect. This came equipped on a Colt AR15A4 I recently acquired in a trade. All in all, it seems legit; however, I've never seen an M5 void of any markings under the top rail or the bottom rail having a screw. It also came with a VFG and a full, bagged panel kit. Compared to the M4 RAS I have, the panels, bag and VFG are legit. This is my first M5 so I'm not familiar with them, it just differs from all of the pictures I've found on the net. Box: https://i.imgur.com/kAOCZtol.jpg Top rail, void of any markings: https://i.imgur.com/CI7Cj7Nl.jpg Bottom rail; heat shield looks legit: https://i.imgur.com/ufao2R7l.jpg https://i.imgur.com/qqMY1vDl.jpg M203 Barrel Stop: https://i.imgur.com/RFqlhxAl.jpg Missing spring; anyone know where to source another? https://i.imgur.com/Fh5sWULl.jpg Top AND bottom rail have screws? Yes, I removed them: https://i.imgur.com/d0XsUcvl.jpg |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 9:51:52 PM EDT
[#32]
Starting to come together :) I may snag a national match carry handle
And see what this FN barrel can do!  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 10:52:51 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fordtough25:
Starting to come together :) I may snag a national match carry handle And see what this FN barrel can do! https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/269204/95C30402-2D5C-4ADB-B474-9CB40386013C_jpeg-992328.JPG 
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CA, USA
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Posted: 6/24/2019 10:54:30 PM EDT
[#34]
http://i.imgur.com/hPKdrU7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Di1KthJ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/wddCreO.jpg I know my ACOG isnt the textbook example for an m16a4 but is it possible models like this made it on the real early ones? Is the optic still too early even for the first rifles shipped? |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 10:58:26 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mech4matsnova: I'm waiting for my ff tube to come from White Oak. Will report back with groups. |
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Posted: 6/25/2019 10:51:43 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fordtough25:
Very nice, I have a line on one and should get it and use with this. Thanks for the reminder! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fordtough25:
Originally Posted By mech4matsnova: I'm waiting for my ff tube to come from White Oak. Will report back with groups. |
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Posted: 6/26/2019 12:26:03 PM EDT
[#37]
For now anyways complete at least.
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Posted: 6/27/2019 5:28:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Engineer5]
[#38]
Finished up an 80% lower and finally calling this FN build completed......
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CA, USA
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Posted: 6/27/2019 10:33:39 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Engineer5:
Finished up an 80% lower and finally calling this FN build completed...... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/84711/001_JPG-995759.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/84711/007_JPG-995784.jpg |
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Posted: 6/27/2019 10:39:09 PM EDT
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NV, USA
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Posted: 6/28/2019 2:20:32 AM EDT
[#41]
If anyone with a Colt AR15A4 version has gotten tired of your M16A4 clone, i have a trade offer in the EE for a Colt M4A1 SOCOM.
I love the look of these rifles. |
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Posted: 6/28/2019 8:16:28 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mauser48A:
Very nice! Did Braceman do the engraving? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mauser48A:
Originally Posted By Engineer5:
Finished up an 80% lower and finally calling this FN build completed...... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/84711/001_JPG-995759.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/84711/007_JPG-995784.jpg |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 6/29/2019 10:39:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NewYorkHunter:
Any of you guys build any AR/M16A4 clones using barrels with heavier profiles then the A2/A4 Gov. profiles? I built my AR15A4 with a 20" Criterion Hybrid contour barrel. I still need the KAC M5 RAS rail, rail covers and VFG. New York Hunter. |
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Posted: 6/29/2019 12:40:07 PM EDT
[#44]
@Engineer5
Is that anodized or painted? |
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Posted: 6/30/2019 9:16:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RandyLahey01:
@Engineer5 Is that anodized or painted? |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 7/1/2019 9:18:58 PM EDT
[#46]
Well I drunk ordered one of those FN A4 uppers from ohio ordnance the other day. So pissed, I look today and they're $75 cheaper!
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Posted: 7/1/2019 9:57:37 PM EDT
[#47]
Waiting on my kac m5 rail to be delivered so my a4 can be done! Oh and I snagged a NM carry handle for long range fun. :)
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CA, USA
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Posted: 7/4/2019 11:30:50 AM EDT
[#48]
What lower parts kits is everyone using for their clones? Also, I understand there are "F" marked and "FN" marked bolt carrier groups. Which would be correct for an FN m16a4 build?
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Posted: 7/4/2019 3:30:19 PM EDT
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I’m planning to use Colt LPKs in all clones, since they’re as close to GI as I can get and probably share suppliers for at least some of the parts with FN. my understanding is that FN military rifles have had both FN and F on the bolt carriers at various points, but the plain F seems to be the more recent standard.
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Posted: 7/5/2019 5:58:40 PM EDT
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