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Posted: 8/6/2022 9:50:50 PM EDT
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The Spuhr is heavy but it does match up with country of origin and the random silent H.
I would go with the Scalarworks mount because the Khales is very lightweight as well. The big brother Swarovski has better illumination which is important on 1X and the controls are better and more elegant in design. The reticle only comes into play when you have time to aim so pick whichever one seems more useful to you. Any YouTube video that covers holds and bullet drop will help you understand any reticles. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:02:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Spuhr is heavy but it does match up with country of origin and the random silent H. I would go with the Scalarworks mount because the Khales is very lightweight as well. The big brother Swarovski has better illumination which is important on 1X and the controls are better and more elegant in design. The reticle only comes into play when you have time to aim so pick whichever one seems more useful to you. Any YouTube video that covers holds and bullet drop will help you understand any reticles. Spuhr is Swedish and Khales is Austrian. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:05:01 PM EDT
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Thank you very much.
I’ve watched some YouTube videos and both reticle honestly look good. One thing I should also ask which mount would you go with if you did plan on adding a canted red dot. And also if you are able to help with this as well, which mount for the canted red dot and red dot optic would you recommend ? Thanks |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:05:54 PM EDT
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Quoted: Hi I’m looking at purchasing a Kahles k18i. Does anyone have any experience with this LPVO? I see that it comes in two different reticle options, 3GR and IPSC reticle. I’m honestly new to this sport with ar 15s and I’m asking because I don’t know which one will be better. https://www.eurooptic.com/Kahles-K18i-1-8x24i-3GR-Riflescope-10662.aspx https://www.eurooptic.com/Kahles-K18i-1-8x24mm-IPSC-Riflescope-10661.aspx Lastly which mount do you recommend purchasing? I’m thinking of purchasing a spuhr sp-3016. https://www.eurooptic.com/spuhr-cantilever-30-mm-height-37-mm-1-46-length-150-mm-59-0-mil-0moa.aspx Does anyone recommend this mount ? Thank you. What lead you to the Kahles over competitor models? |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:18:36 PM EDT
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Hi thank you again for your post.
Just so I’m correct, is it this mount ? https://scalarworks.com/shop/quick-detach-mounts/leap-08/ Leap 08? Also do you recommend 1.57 vs 1.93 height ? Thanks Currently I’m using 1.57 height Aimpoints (pro and compm5s) Thank you |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:33:45 PM EDT
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I have several of the k16i younger brothers, as well as a single k18i, most reside in a Scalarworks mount
3gr is most versatile Spuhr is a good mount, I have some on PRS rifles, but it defeats the purpose of lightweight scopes Geissele mounts are the other ones I use, they're heavier, but you can add an RMR on top, and still be lighter than a Spuhr |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:46:26 PM EDT
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Thank you for your reply.
Can you post some photos of your guns? I’d appreciate that! |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:47:23 PM EDT
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I’ve watched many reviews on YouTube and they speak highly of the lpvo. Given that I’ve got no experience I wanted to take their recommendations. Also I’ve heard it’s very lightweight.
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:59:51 PM EDT
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I’ve watched many reviews on YouTube and they speak highly of the lpvo. Given that I’ve got no experience I wanted to take their recommendations. Also I’ve heard it’s very lightweight.
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Posted: 8/7/2022 12:09:35 AM EDT
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One of my setups:
Kahles K18i 3GR (10662) Scalarworks Leap/08, 1.93" (SW0820) Will be changing my Trijicon RMR to the Kick/02 (SW1700) Fantastic scope, I also have the Vortex Gen III, HD Gen II, K16i in that mag range. The low light gathering is phenominal and it is lightweight. I prefer the holdovers with the 3GR, I don't shoot IPSC The Scalarworks is very light, holds a very close zero with remounting, easy to level (and for me spot on when plumbed). I like the 1.93 height, it is easier on my neck and with NODs. It is expensive. I haven't installed the Kick yet but it interfaces with their mount and is hardware minimal and light. What will you be using your setup for? |
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Posted: 8/7/2022 2:55:38 AM EDT
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Thank you so much for your awesome detailed response.
I plan on using the gun for ultimately fun shooting and possibly ipsc/ 3 gun in the future. However more than likely end up just casual shooting with it in an outdoor range and taking some defensive tactical rifle classes with. I definitely want a offset red dot for close up shooting. I’m totally sold on the scalarworks leap 08, 30mm ring, mount in 1.57 inch height. SW0810. I also prefer the 3GR reticle for the Kahles k18i, 10662. It honestly looks easier to shoot. Thank you for pointing me in the right direction for the kick 02 offset mounts from scalarworks. SW1700. I was researching the two optics that come with a bundle from their website, the RMR and SRO. May I ask why you chose the rmr over the sro? Thank you for your helpful post! |
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Posted: 8/7/2022 4:01:03 AM EDT
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RMR choice: smaller mainly but great sale price helped
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Posted: 8/7/2022 1:23:24 PM EDT
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Thank you very much for your help!
I will choose one of those. Another question: have you heard of the badger ordnance mount? I heard it also has an integrated side mount for a red dot. My purpose is to have the lightest weight, best clarity and best quality lpvo with a durable offset red dot. I plan to put this on a geissely 16 inch 556 super duty rifle. What gun did you mount these optics on? |
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Posted: 8/7/2022 1:28:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One of my setups: Kahles K18i 3GR (10662) Scalarworks Leap/08, 1.93" (SW0820) Will be changing my Trijicon RMR to the Kick/02 (SW1700) Fantastic scope, I also have the Vortex Gen III, HD Gen II, K16i in that mag range. The low light gathering is phenominal and it is lightweight. I prefer the holdovers with the 3GR, I don't shoot IPSC The Scalarworks is very light, holds a very close zero with remounting, easy to level (and for me spot on when plumbed). I like the 1.93 height, it is easier on my neck and with NODs. It is expensive. I haven't installed the Kick yet but it interfaces with their mount and is hardware minimal and light. What will you be using your setup for? Also how do you like the vortex? What mount do you have that on? I may also get a vortex gen2 with a leap 08 mount and put it on my Daniel defense mark 18 that I also just put on. It looks to be a really affordable price that scalarworks is selling online. Do you have an offset red dot with your vortex? Thanks |
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Posted: 8/7/2022 7:10:31 PM EDT
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All above on KAC SR-15 14.5, 16, and a HD Gen II on a CQB iirc and SR-25 14.5, 16
Vortex Gen III is an excellent scope, a couple of ozs heavier than the K18i, great glass, good eyebox at 10x. It is on a 16" SR-25 I live in east TX and my AO, 500 yards, +/-, is long range. I shoot more CQB to 300 yards. If I could only have one LPVO on all my CQBs, carbines and rifles, it would be a K16i- that is the most perfect LPVO for me. 1x for CQB is 1x, perfect glass, excellent low light gathering, lightweight, bright reticle and tough. |
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Posted: 8/7/2022 9:56:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All above on KAC SR-15 14.5, 16, and a HD Gen II on a CQB iirc and SR-25 14.5, 16 Vortex Gen III is an excellent scope, a couple of ozs heavier than the K18i, great glass, good eyebox at 10x. It is on a 16" SR-25 I live in east TX and my AO, 500 yards, +/-, is long range. I shoot more CQB to 300 yards. If I could only have one LPVO on all my CQBs, carbines and rifles, it would be a K16i- that is the most perfect LPVO for me. 1x for CQB is 1x, perfect glass, excellent low light gathering, lightweight, bright reticle and tough. What makes you choose the K16i over the K18i in that scenario? |
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Posted: 8/7/2022 11:10:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What makes you choose the K16i over the K18i in that scenario? First, my targets and probable distances length, weight, cost The K16i is just so light and unobtrusive If I lived in west TX it would be totally different |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 7:05:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you very much for your help! I will choose one of those. Another question: have you heard of the badger ordnance mount? I heard it also has an integrated side mount for a red dot. My purpose is to have the lightest weight, best clarity and best quality lpvo with a durable offset red dot. I plan to put this on a geissely 16 inch 556 super duty rifle. What gun did you mount these optics on? I have the Badger C1, have had a few actually. I've never tried any of the Kahles but my preferred optics setup right now is the Razor 1-10 in a 1.7 C1 with offset RDS. Currently I'm using the ACSS 507 from PA/Holosun. Very happy with that setup and want an identical one for my 12.5. The Scalarworks is lighter obviously, but I'm not a fan of the "standard" LPVO mounts that sit around 1.54 and the 1.93 was higher than I liked so when Badger released the 1.7, it was perfect. I won't even consider another mount unless its in that height. FWIW, anything above 1-6 makes more sense in FFP for me. I'm a little confused by 1-8s that are SFP. That's a huge magnification range that is unusable for holds IMO. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 9:17:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What lead you to the Kahles over competitor models? I don't know his reason. Hopefully he will share. I don't have that model of Kahles, but I do have a Kahles 2-7x36 Helia CL hunting scope on a bolt gun. If you've ever looked through Kahles glass at a finely detailed object in very low light conditions, you might discover something. Absolutely stunning clarity, brightness, resolution, color accuracy, lack of any measurable image distortion. In a word - breathtaking. I have over two dozen scopes from many different companies, many of them very high end.. Kahles has them all beat in optical performance. If you are using a scope in good light at modest distances at high contrast targets, its less critical. But at dawn or dusk at distance and low contrast conditions (identifying deer antlers behind small tree limbs) glass quality becomes very important. Same for many tactical conditions. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 3:08:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: First, my targets and probable distances length, weight, cost The K16i is just so light and unobtrusive If I lived in west TX it would be totally different Besides the footprint and cost, do you think the k16i performs better than the k18i in anyway(eyebox,glass, etc)? I’ve never seen a k18i in person so I’m quite curious |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 3:33:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What lead you to the Kahles over competitor models? I apologize I missed this message earlier. I am interested in the kahles because I do have plans to do competitive shooting in 3 gun etc and wanted a good quality lpvo. I’ve watched a couple reviews on YouTube and everyone seems to say that it’s a really good optic. Given that I’m new to the sport I really don’t have any experience. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 3:39:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have the Badger C1, have had a few actually. I've never tried any of the Kahles but my preferred optics setup right now is the Razor 1-10 in a 1.7 C1 with offset RDS. Currently I'm using the ACSS 507 from PA/Holosun. Very happy with that setup and want an identical one for my 12.5. The Scalarworks is lighter obviously, but I'm not a fan of the "standard" LPVO mounts that sit around 1.54 and the 1.93 was higher than I liked so when Badger released the 1.7, it was perfect. I won't even consider another mount unless its in that height. FWIW, anything above 1-6 makes more sense in FFP for me. I'm a little confused by 1-8s that are SFP. That's a huge magnification range that is unusable for holds IMO. Thank you very much for your helpful post. Your reasoning for a 1.7 inch height mount makes perfect sense to me. I’m finding it a little challenging to navigate through the badger ordnance website. I apologize I am new to this sport. Can you provide a part number and/or a link to the 1.7 inch height c-1 mount and the mount for an offset red dot that is associated with it ? Thank you very much. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 4:14:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have the Badger C1, have had a few actually. I've never tried any of the Kahles but my preferred optics setup right now is the Razor 1-10 in a 1.7 C1 with offset RDS. Currently I'm using the ACSS 507 from PA/Holosun. Very happy with that setup and want an identical one for my 12.5. The Scalarworks is lighter obviously, but I'm not a fan of the "standard" LPVO mounts that sit around 1.54 and the 1.93 was higher than I liked so when Badger released the 1.7, it was perfect. I won't even consider another mount unless its in that height. FWIW, anything above 1-6 makes more sense in FFP for me. I'm a little confused by 1-8s that are SFP. That's a huge magnification range that is unusable for holds IMO. Hi is this the mount you are referring to? https://www.badgerordnance.com/condition-one-modular-mount/condition-one-modular-mount-30mm-1-70-lower-1-3rd-black.html I’m still trying to find the mount for an offset red dot. Thank you |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 8:33:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hi is this the mount you are referring to? https://www.badgerordnance.com/condition-one-modular-mount/condition-one-modular-mount-30mm-1-70-lower-1-3rd-black.html I’m still trying to find the mount for an offset red dot. Thank you I prefer the tan one, but yes, that’s it. I’m not sure of the tube size on the optics you’re looking at though so it may be the 30mm or 34mm. I assume the 1-6 is 30, maybe the 1-8 too. The C1 has tons of options which is nice but can be overwhelming if you don’t know what you’re looking for. https://www.badgerordnance.com/condition-one-modular-mount/condition-one-j-arm-black-1-1-1-1.html I prefer the 35* j arm over the 45*. The former is slightly lower profile and less bulk. The red dot plate will need to be specific to whatever RDS you want. I don’t want the weight of an Aimpoint micro platform for a back up sight so I went with the RMR footprint. |
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Posted: 8/9/2022 12:50:34 AM EDT
[#25]
Thank you for your very helpful post.
From my understanding the kahles k18i is a 30mm tube. Based on your previous posts I’m just going to summarize this is what I would need to get for the lpvo mount at 1.7 inch height: https://www.badgerordnance.com/condition-one-modular-mount/condition-one-modular-mount-30mm-1-70-lower-1-3rd-black.html This is the offset red dot mount that works with it: https://www.badgerordnance.com/condition-one-modular-mount/condition-one-j-arm-black-1-1-1-1.html Also I need to get a baseplate for the offset mount that is specific to the red dot. For example I’d get this for an Aimpoint t2: https://www.badgerordnance.com/condition-one-modular-mount/condition-one-micro-sight-mount-aimpoint-t1-t2-black.html This footprint for the RMR: https://www.badgerordnance.com/condition-one-modular-mount/condition-one-micro-sight-mount-trijicon-rmr-black.html Do they make one for the trijicon SRO? I couldn’t find it. What MOA did you choose your rmr at? Also did you find that The rmr is easy to use and you get a full unobstructed picture through the lens? Does anyknow if the scalarworks leap and sidekick combination they sell is a 35 or 45 degree offset? On their website the demo picture shows that the rmr offset red dot is partially obstructed (lens) by the knob on the right side of the scope. https://scalarworks.com/shop/extension-mounts/kick-02/ |
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Posted: 8/9/2022 7:20:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you for your very helpful post. From my understanding the kahles k18i is a 30mm tube. Based on your previous posts I’m just going to summarize this is what I would need to get for the lpvo mount at 1.7 inch height: https://www.badgerordnance.com/condition-one-modular-mount/condition-one-modular-mount-30mm-1-70-lower-1-3rd-black.html This is the offset red dot mount that works with it: https://www.badgerordnance.com/condition-one-modular-mount/condition-one-j-arm-black-1-1-1-1.html Also I need to get a baseplate for the offset mount that is specific to the red dot. For example I’d get this for an Aimpoint t2: https://www.badgerordnance.com/condition-one-modular-mount/condition-one-micro-sight-mount-aimpoint-t1-t2-black.html This footprint for the RMR: https://www.badgerordnance.com/condition-one-modular-mount/condition-one-micro-sight-mount-trijicon-rmr-black.html Do they make one for the trijicon SRO? I couldn’t find it. What MOA did you choose your rmr at? Also did you find that The rmr is easy to use and you get a full unobstructed picture through the lens? Does anyknow if the scalarworks leap and sidekick combination they sell is a 35 or 45 degree offset? On their website the demo picture shows that the rmr offset red dot is partially obstructed (lens) by the knob on the right side of the scope. https://scalarworks.com/shop/extension-mounts/kick-02/ Yup, those are all of the correct items. The only RMR I use is the RM06 but for this setup, I've been trying this out: https://www.primaryarms.com/holosun-hs507c-v2-acss-pistol-red-dot-sight-acss-reticle Its not the application it was designed for, but where I have it mounted on my AR puts it close to full presentation for a pistol so I figured I'd see how well it works in this setup. I was really hoping that it'd be helpful while shooting under a VTAC, which I don't think worked out quite as well as I was hoping (don't really remember why), but I only got to try it once. Everything other course of fire that I've tried with it, I've been very happy. I'm finding that I like the chevron quite a bit and the solar, shake awake, and side loading battery tray of this model is definitely an improvement over the RMR IMO. Going back to the Kahles specifically, I doubt you can go wrong with it, but I think the gold standard is the Razor 1-6. I've seen far more of those in competition and classes than most other LPVOs, with the Strike Eagle probably not far behind. If you can swing the cost of the Kahles, go for it, but there are definitely other options out there that work well with slightly different pros and cons. I've always been tempted to try the Kahles but the reticles are weird to me, thee 3GR would be great if not for the second illuminated dot. I'm not sure if I'd like that or not. |
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Posted: 8/9/2022 9:01:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: First, my targets and probable distances length, weight, cost The K16i is just so light and unobtrusive If I lived in west TX it would be totally different I live in West Texas but still have K16i’s. (But I still want a K18i) ?? |
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Posted: 8/10/2022 1:25:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup, those are all of the correct items. The only RMR I use is the RM06 but for this setup, I've been trying this out: https://www.primaryarms.com/holosun-hs507c-v2-acss-pistol-red-dot-sight-acss-reticle Its not the application it was designed for, but where I have it mounted on my AR puts it close to full presentation for a pistol so I figured I'd see how well it works in this setup. I was really hoping that it'd be helpful while shooting under a VTAC, which I don't think worked out quite as well as I was hoping (don't really remember why), but I only got to try it once. Everything other course of fire that I've tried with it, I've been very happy. I'm finding that I like the chevron quite a bit and the solar, shake awake, and side loading battery tray of this model is definitely an improvement over the RMR IMO. Going back to the Kahles specifically, I doubt you can go wrong with it, but I think the gold standard is the Razor 1-6. I've seen far more of those in competition and classes than most other LPVOs, with the Strike Eagle probably not far behind. If you can swing the cost of the Kahles, go for it, but there are definitely other options out there that work well with slightly different pros and cons. I've always been tempted to try the Kahles but the reticles are weird to me, thee 3GR would be great if not for the second illuminated dot. I'm not sure if I'd like that or not. Thank you very much for your helpful input. Seriously you guys have helped me out a ton. Thank you again. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 2:43:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have the Badger C1, have had a few actually. I've never tried any of the Kahles but my preferred optics setup right now is the Razor 1-10 in a 1.7 C1 with offset RDS. Currently I'm using the ACSS 507 from PA/Holosun. Very happy with that setup and want an identical one for my 12.5. The Scalarworks is lighter obviously, but I'm not a fan of the "standard" LPVO mounts that sit around 1.54 and the 1.93 was higher than I liked so when Badger released the 1.7, it was perfect. I won't even consider another mount unless its in that height. FWIW, anything above 1-6 makes more sense in FFP for me. I'm a little confused by 1-8s that are SFP. That's a huge magnification range that is unusable for holds IMO. How happy are you with the vortex gen 3 1-10? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=84KBHdpKB1c I think this is the same setup garand thumb has in this video with a badgerordnance c1 1.7 and a 45 degree offset red dot Aimpoint t2. I think the clearance is really good on a 45 degree and there is no obstruction of the lens of the red dot. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o1R8TlaYsF0 When comparing the vortex gen 3 with the kahles k18i are they very comparable ? |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 2:45:12 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: All above on KAC SR-15 14.5, 16, and a HD Gen II on a CQB iirc and SR-25 14.5, 16 Vortex Gen III is an excellent scope, a couple of ozs heavier than the K18i, great glass, good eyebox at 10x. It is on a 16" SR-25 I live in east TX and my AO, 500 yards, +/-, is long range. I shoot more CQB to 300 yards. If I could only have one LPVO on all my CQBs, carbines and rifles, it would be a K16i- that is the most perfect LPVO for me. 1x for CQB is 1x, perfect glass, excellent low light gathering, lightweight, bright reticle and tough. If you could only have either the vortex gen 3 1-10, vs the kahles k18i, which one would you have ? They are both comparable in terms of cost I think. Thank you. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 4:06:10 PM EDT
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I'm a 1.5ish mount height guy. It feels more natural, probably more due to 30+ years experience with a "head down" shooting stance. I do have an EOTech in a Unity mount which puts me above 2 inches. Usable, and I could certainly adapt to it but I figure I'll keep it in a similar height to my other rifles.
Yes I use NV. No, I dont use NV with 1.5 mounts since it doesnt work. The higher mounts have their uses. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 8:19:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How happy are you with the vortex gen 3 1-10? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=84KBHdpKB1c I think this is the same setup garand thumb has in this video with a badgerordnance c1 1.7 and a 45 degree offset red dot Aimpoint t2. I think the clearance is really good on a 45 degree and there is no obstruction of the lens of the red dot. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o1R8TlaYsF0 When comparing the vortex gen 3 with the kahles k18i are they very comparable ? Razor 1-10 and Kahles 1-8 are very different. Did you see that video with these optics compared? https://youtu.be/DU3HVeaDkb8 Also, you’re probably not going to run an offset unless you want to shoot in Open. |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 1:07:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Razor 1-10 and Kahles 1-8 are very different. Did you see that video with these optics compared? https://youtu.be/DU3HVeaDkb8 Also, you’re probably not going to run an offset unless you want to shoot in Open. Thank you very much for your post. After watching the video I’m convinced That the best scope for me would be the vortex razor gen 3. I’m going to choose the badgerordnance condition one modular mount in 34 mm. 1.7 inch height. https://www.badgerordnance.com/c-o-m-m-34-mm-1-70-lower-1-3-height-170-340-340b.html I am just a little confused as to which type of vortex gen 3 razor to order and the difference between the two. https://www.eurooptic.com/Vortex-Razor-Gen-III-1-10x24-EBR-9-MRAD-Riflescope-RZR-11002.aspx This is the mrad reticle 11002 where the turret adjustment is 0.1 https://www.eurooptic.com/Vortex-Razor-Gen-III-1-10x24-EBR-9-BDC-Riflescope-RZR-11001.aspx This is the moa reticle 11001 where the tirret adjustment is 0.25. https://www.eurooptic.com/Vortex-Razor-Gen-III-1-10x24mm-EBR-9-MRAD-US-Made-Riflescope-RZR-11092.aspx There is also a us assembled version. I honestly know why this one is cheaper. Can someone please let me know which is the better one to purchase? I like the mrad reticle the most 11002. Thank you. |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 1:21:30 AM EDT
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I played with both the Kahles 1-8 and its cousin the Swarovski 1-8 at EuroOptic recently while driving through Pennsylvania.
The eyeboxes are larger than any other 30 mm tube 1-8 I’ve looked through. Glass is very sharp for both. I was very impressed. Dots/reticles on both were daylight bright. I held them up against the Short Dot 1-8 dual, and I preferred the Austrian offerings. I only wish I could shoot through them. However, they are 2nd focal plane set ups and not 1st. The reticles are not like the VCOG 1-8 with the new grid reticle, Vortex 1-10 or ATACR. It all depends on what your intended use is. This pushes me towards my VCOG 1-8x I currently have on my SCAR 17. They have a new variant with a grid reticle to compete with the ATACR, and I find the VCOG 1-8 to have a better eye box than the Nightforce. As far as mounts go, I am a huge fan of American Defense’s 1.93” high titanium lever cantilever mounts. I have two for my Kahles 1-6 and Steiner 1-4. Sphurs are bomb proof as well but add bulk and weight compared to other brands (I own a Spuhr scope mount and Aimpoint mount). I don’t like Scalarworks mounts due to the knobs. |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 3:00:44 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you very much. I’ve watched some YouTube videos and both reticle honestly look good. One thing I should also ask which mount would you go with if you did plan on adding a canted red dot. And also if you are able to help with this as well, which mount for the canted red dot and red dot optic would you recommend ? Thanks Take a look at the Badger C1 Edit: didn’t read entire thread before posting. Already discussed, my bad. |
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Posted: 8/29/2022 10:01:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you very much for your post. After watching the video I’m convinced That the best scope for me would be the vortex razor gen 3. I’m going to choose the badgerordnance condition one modular mount in 34 mm. 1.7 inch height. https://www.badgerordnance.com/c-o-m-m-34-mm-1-70-lower-1-3-height-170-340-340b.html I am just a little confused as to which type of vortex gen 3 razor to order and the difference between the two. https://www.eurooptic.com/Vortex-Razor-Gen-III-1-10x24-EBR-9-MRAD-Riflescope-RZR-11002.aspx This is the mrad reticle 11002 where the turret adjustment is 0.1 https://www.eurooptic.com/Vortex-Razor-Gen-III-1-10x24-EBR-9-BDC-Riflescope-RZR-11001.aspx This is the moa reticle 11001 where the tirret adjustment is 0.25. https://www.eurooptic.com/Vortex-Razor-Gen-III-1-10x24mm-EBR-9-MRAD-US-Made-Riflescope-RZR-11092.aspx There is also a us assembled version. I honestly know why this one is cheaper. Can someone please let me know which is the better one to purchase? I like the mrad reticle the most 11002. Thank you. reticles are 100% personal preference but the MRAD is popular. are there any gun shops local to you where you can try out in person the 1-10x? personally it wouldn't be on my short list of options at the current price point. when it was under $2k it was more appealing, but then they raised prices to segment away from the 1-6x e line. but the 1-6x e if you wait around a bit it drops to near $1k which is so much better value than the 1-10x in my opinion. |
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Posted: 9/5/2022 9:31:15 PM EDT
[#37]
If you are completely new to optics, be sure to plan on giving yourself some grace to shoot and learn what you prefer, want, and need. No amount of “research” will help you make the perfect choice, as there is no perfect. All things are a balance of pros and cons, and everything in optics is a trade off.
Your best bet is to plan on buying, trying, then either keeping or selling and moving on to the next item. Optics are very subjective. You may think your setup is perfect, then take a class or shoot competition and find your setup lacking in some way. I have a kahles k16i with sm-1 reticle and a NF atacr 1-8 in the lpvo category: I took a 0-600 meter unknown distance carbine class a few months ago and found the second focal plane of my k16i lacking compared to the ffp of my atacr 1-8. A couple friends had NF NX8 1-8 and I really liked theirs on a 5.56 carbine. So the k16i is rotated to secondary duty and I ordered a NX8 1-8 for 5.56. If I like the nx8, I’ll order a few more. The Vortex gen III 1-10 has had some less than stellar reviews. A friend who’s a total optics whore had one and it didn’t last long in his stable. Plan on being adaptable. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 3:43:46 PM EDT
[#38]
Hi
I really want to thank everyone for their helpful comments. Every post here has been very beneficial to me and I drew on on everyone’s past experience and wisdom for help. I ended up purchasing the vortex razor gen 3 1-10 lpvo. It’s the EBR9 mrad reticle. I also purchased the badger ordnance 1.7 mount with a 45 degree j arm for an Aimpoint t2 and the associated mount/baseplate. My plan is to put this on an lmt estonian piston ar 15 that I recently purchased. Can someone please recommend a mounting kit on how to mount this optic? To be honest I almost went with a scalarworks 1.54 mount and the same optic, just because they mount it for you. Thank you so much. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 5:24:55 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hi I really want to thank everyone for their helpful comments. Every post here has been very beneficial to me and I drew on on everyone’s past experience and wisdom for help. I ended up purchasing the vortex razor gen 3 1-10 lpvo. It’s the EBR9 mrad reticle. I also purchased the badger ordnance 1.7 mount with a 45 degree j arm for an Aimpoint t2 and the associated mount/baseplate. My plan is to put this on an lmt estonian piston ar 15 that I recently purchased. Can someone please recommend a mounting kit on how to mount this optic? To be honest I almost went with a scalarworks 1.54 mount and the same optic, just because they mount it for you. Thank you so much. Badger ordnance sells a mounting level that helps significantly: https://www.badgerordnance.com/dead-level-reticle-leveling-device-200-50.html I had to wait a few months to get one, but it was worth it. https://www.amazon.com/Wheeler-Engineering-Adaptable-Gunsmithing-Maintenance/dp/B000BYAKDM Wheeler makes a bunch of bubble levels that you have to eye ball. Put the gun in a vise, level the top pictanny rail relative to the earth with the scope mount installed. Then use the bubble level for the scope and keep them altogether level as you screw the rings in place. This is why Spuhr mounts are great, because they have a self-leveling “wedge” system you can use to make the scope level on the mount. I still find myself checking everything with two bubble levels regardless (pic rail to scope turret etc) I like my Vortex torque wrench for mounting optics into rings: https://vortexoptics.com/vortex-torque-wrench-update.html For the cross bolts on the Badger Ordnance mount you purchased, you’ll want a dedicated torque wrench that can do up to 65 in-lbs per their instructions. Yes it’s expensive, but well worth it. https://www.badgerordnance.com/media/binaryanvil/media_library/Mounting_rings_and_bases_2017.pdf Brownells sells a bunch of magna tip heads and wrenches for general use. Very well worth it. I would also get a set of torx heads T10-T25 that will work with a hand or torque wrench for this stuff. I’m sure there will be different opinions on this, but I have not had any issues on my rifles in terms of reticle leveling. Just make sure you have the write torque wrenches and don’t over tighten anything. Seek out Badger’s help as well, because those guys are real pros at this stuff. They make very high quality mounts. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 7:22:29 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Badger ordnance sells a mounting level that helps significantly: https://www.badgerordnance.com/dead-level-reticle-leveling-device-200-50.html I had to wait a few months to get one, but it was worth it. https://www.amazon.com/Wheeler-Engineering-Adaptable-Gunsmithing-Maintenance/dp/B000BYAKDM Thank you very much for your helpful post!! I will try to obtain all these items and then do the mount. I will wait for these as some are on backorder but I’m not in any rush and want to do it right. Thanks again! |
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Posted: 10/7/2022 12:40:24 PM EDT
[#41]
Forgot to add that you should buy a plum bob to help level the reticle. Some do this using paper and a flash light with the plumb bob.
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Posted: 10/25/2022 3:43:19 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Forgot to add that you should buy a plum bob to help level the reticle. Some do this using paper and a flash light with the plumb bob. Hi thank you very much for your post and insight. Can you please explain this to me a little more. I’m just about to start mounting the rifle and I am so new new to this that I don’t know how to use this plum bob. Thank you! |
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Posted: 10/25/2022 11:49:02 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For the cross bolts on the Badger Ordnance mount you purchased, you’ll want a dedicated torque wrench that can do up to 65 in-lbs per their instructions. Yes it’s expensive, but well worth it. I’m so sorry ask such a dumb question but can you recommend a torque wrench that can do 65 inch pounds ? I’m assuming it’s for a 1/2 inch connection? Thank you |
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Posted: 10/26/2022 12:35:31 AM EDT
[#44]
I run the K16i in a Scalarworks mount. Very happy with. I'm sure the 18 is great as well. I'd buy with confidence
Edit: just saw you went vortex instead. They have good warranties. |
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Posted: 11/1/2022 8:13:04 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I run the K16i in a Scalarworks mount. Very happy with. I'm sure the 18 is great as well. I'd buy with confidence Edit: just saw you went vortex instead. They have good warranties. Thank you ! |
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Posted: 11/1/2022 8:14:53 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m so sorry ask such a dumb question but can you recommend a torque wrench that can do 65 inch pounds ? I’m assuming it’s for a 1/2 inch connection? Thank you Just wanted to let everyone know. I phoned badger ordnance and they recommend I purchase this torque wrench set from fix it sticks as that is what they use at their office. https://store.fixitsticks.com/products/rifle-optics-toolkit-individual-torque-limiters |
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Posted: 11/4/2022 2:18:49 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just wanted to let everyone know. I phoned badger ordnance and they recommend I purchase this torque wrench set from fix it sticks as that is what they use at their office. https://store.fixitsticks.com/products/rifle-optics-toolkit-individual-torque-limiters I have that kit and I love it. |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 2:11:24 AM EDT
[#48]
Hi everyone
Thank you so much for all your help again. I’m at the final steps in mounting my vortex razor gen 3. I have it on my dead level and I am about to transfer it to my rifle. There is one discrepancy that I’m reading. On the vortex gen 3 razor instruction booklet, it says do not exceed 18 in/lbs of torque on the ring screws and do not exceed 35 in/lbs on the base screws. The badger ordnance condition one instruction book, says to torque the rings screws to 20 in/lbs, and to set the base screws at 65 in/lbs. who do I follow for the final torque settings? I’m sorry for the annoying question. I appreciate everyone’s help. Really I got this far because of you guys. Thanks again. |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 3:11:35 AM EDT
[#49]
18 in/lb on the rings and 65 in/lb on the mount. The mount torque doesn’t effect the scope at all.
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Posted: 11/25/2022 7:20:19 AM EDT
[#50]
I'd pick the 3gr between the two reticle choices. A 1-8 sfp confuses me for the same reason mentioned above. I would like to try the k16i sometime as that magnification range makes more sense in sfp to me. I think the sm1 looks lile a really good reticle. Ymmv
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