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Posted: 12/15/2020 9:04:26 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/15/2020 9:17:32 AM EST by NAM]
I picked up a can of this about 15 years ago, and it seems most of the available info vanished. Anyone have more specs? Does not cycle the action, and is loud. I believe the projectile is plastic. From what I recall, an Israeli version of French training and/or anti-terrorist ammo.

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Link Posted: 12/15/2020 10:45:47 AM EST
Izzy SRTA...needs M2 training bolt to function your M4 correctly.  Remember, this is still a lethal round at short range.


18Z50
Link Posted: 12/15/2020 12:44:44 PM EST
They look like crayons.

Do not issue to Marines!
Link Posted: 12/15/2020 12:56:38 PM EST
Link Posted: 12/15/2020 1:42:58 PM EST
This is not the same as the blue plastic SRTA ammo, but I can certainly see it having a similar purpose. I have some of that (and the M2 bolt). I seem to recall that this does not work properly with the M2 bolt, but will have to try again (it's been sitting for over a decade).
Link Posted: 12/15/2020 11:33:42 PM EST
Interesting indeed. Don't suppose you have 100 rounds you'd sell for me to demo? :D
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 8:50:31 AM EST
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Originally Posted By NAM:
This is not the same as the blue plastic SRTA ammo, but I can certainly see it having a similar purpose. I have some of that (and the M2 bolt). I seem to recall that this does not work properly with the M2 bolt, but will have to try again (it's been sitting for over a decade).
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The M862 is brass cased, not the blue stuff which is different.  

https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m862.htm

BTW...… If you didn't know already...… the actual m862 round has a rebated rim (smaller than the regular ball ammo) which is what the M2 Bolt is designed to use.
(It's a means to prevent the use of BALL ammo with the M2 Bolt, which would be BAD).
So maybe, if I understand your comments, check the Israeli stuff to see if it's rebated as well.
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 9:10:38 AM EST
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The M862 is brass cased, not the blue stuff which is different.  

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Blue projectile, yes, not the full length blue case. This stuff: http://www.ammo-one.com/5-56DagPlastic.html

I have several boxes of that, along with the M2 bolt.

As for a rebated rim on the Israeli stuff, I'll have to take a look. I could have sworn I stuck a round of M862 on a stripper clip with a few other random rounds, but could be wrong. Might have some time this weekend to check.
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 6:32:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/16/2020 6:37:44 PM EST by TGH456E]
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Blue projectile, yes, not the full length blue case. This stuff: http://www.ammo-one.com/5-56DagPlastic.html

I have several boxes of that, along with the M2 bolt.

As for a rebated rim on the Israeli stuff, I'll have to take a look. I could have sworn I stuck a round of M862 on a stripper clip with a few other random rounds, but could be wrong. Might have some time this weekend to check.
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Originally Posted By TGH456E:


The M862 is brass cased, not the blue stuff which is different.  



Blue projectile, yes, not the full length blue case. This stuff: http://www.ammo-one.com/5-56DagPlastic.html

I have several boxes of that, along with the M2 bolt.

As for a rebated rim on the Israeli stuff, I'll have to take a look. I could have sworn I stuck a round of M862 on a stripper clip with a few other random rounds, but could be wrong. Might have some time this weekend to check.


Google the M862 and find the specs...... US M862 has a more rebated rim (IIRC by a few thousands).
Use a caliper...... a stripper clip is not going to work.  
I have no idea if the Israeli is as well....... just a thought as to your issues.

Read the 2nd paragraph:
https://www.rbta.net/olin-winchester-m862-short-range-training-ammunition/
Link Posted: 12/18/2020 12:55:13 PM EST
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Google the M862 and find the specs...... US M862 has a more rebated rim (IIRC by a few thousands).
Use a caliper...... a stripper clip is not going to work.  
I have no idea if the Israeli is as well....... just a thought as to your issues.
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Spot on!

Not noticeable to the eye, but the M862 seats in the bolt face, whereas the israeli is too large.
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 12:03:10 AM EST
Haven't seen those in awhile, these were the plastic bullets we would use in the "disputed" lands when I was in, mid '90s.  They were an early attempt at less than lethal, which proved to be not always the case.
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 9:35:17 AM EST
I've never seen those.
Back in the 90's I bought some German "short range ammo" that is a jacket with a semi exposed plastic core. It was fairly accurate out to 100 yards but would not always cycle in my AR. Does cycle fine in my WARS-3 though.

Weird ammo is always neat.
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