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Posted: 12/15/2020 9:04:26 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/15/2020 9:17:32 AM EST by NAM]
I picked up a can of this about 15 years ago, and it seems most of the available info vanished. Anyone have more specs? Does not cycle the action, and is loud. I believe the projectile is plastic. From what I recall, an Israeli version of French training and/or anti-terrorist ammo.
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Posted: 12/15/2020 10:45:47 AM EST
Izzy SRTA...needs M2 training bolt to function your M4 correctly. Remember, this is still a lethal round at short range.
18Z50 |
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Posted: 12/15/2020 12:44:44 PM EST
They look like crayons.
Do not issue to Marines! 
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Posted: 12/15/2020 12:56:38 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By 18B30: Izzy SRTA...needs M2 training bolt to function your M4 correctly. Remember, this is still a lethal round at short range. 18Z50 Yep - I bought a bunch of it from KYImports back around '05 or '06. "Cartridge, 5.56-mm Short-Range Training Ammunition (SRTA), M862. (Used in all rifles.) The M862 SRTA is designed exclusively for training. It can be used in lieu of service ammunition on indoor ranges and by units that have a limited range fan that does not allow the firing of service ammunition. SRTA ammunition must be used with the M2 training bolt. Although SRTA closely replicates the trajectory and characteristics of service ammunition out to 25 meters, it should not be used to set battle sight zero of weapons to fire service ammunition. The settings that are placed on the sights for SRTA could be different for service ammunition. If adequate range facilities are not available for sustainment training, SRTA can be used for any firing exercise of 25 meters or less. This includes the 25-meter scaled silhouette, 25-meter alternate qualification course, and quick-fire training. SRTA can also be used for Urban Operations training." |
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Posted: 12/15/2020 1:42:58 PM EST
This is not the same as the blue plastic SRTA ammo, but I can certainly see it having a similar purpose. I have some of that (and the M2 bolt). I seem to recall that this does not work properly with the M2 bolt, but will have to try again (it's been sitting for over a decade).
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Posted: 12/15/2020 11:33:42 PM EST
Interesting indeed. Don't suppose you have 100 rounds you'd sell for me to demo? :D
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CO, USA
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Posted: 12/16/2020 8:50:31 AM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By NAM: This is not the same as the blue plastic SRTA ammo, but I can certainly see it having a similar purpose. I have some of that (and the M2 bolt). I seem to recall that this does not work properly with the M2 bolt, but will have to try again (it's been sitting for over a decade). The M862 is brass cased, not the blue stuff which is different. https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m862.htm BTW...… If you didn't know already...… the actual m862 round has a rebated rim (smaller than the regular ball ammo) which is what the M2 Bolt is designed to use. (It's a means to prevent the use of BALL ammo with the M2 Bolt, which would be BAD). So maybe, if I understand your comments, check the Israeli stuff to see if it's rebated as well. |
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Posted: 12/16/2020 9:10:38 AM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By TGH456E: The M862 is brass cased, not the blue stuff which is different. Blue projectile, yes, not the full length blue case. This stuff: http://www.ammo-one.com/5-56DagPlastic.html I have several boxes of that, along with the M2 bolt. As for a rebated rim on the Israeli stuff, I'll have to take a look. I could have sworn I stuck a round of M862 on a stripper clip with a few other random rounds, but could be wrong. Might have some time this weekend to check. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 12/16/2020 6:32:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/16/2020 6:37:44 PM EST by TGH456E]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NAM: Blue projectile, yes, not the full length blue case. This stuff: http://www.ammo-one.com/5-56DagPlastic.html I have several boxes of that, along with the M2 bolt. As for a rebated rim on the Israeli stuff, I'll have to take a look. I could have sworn I stuck a round of M862 on a stripper clip with a few other random rounds, but could be wrong. Might have some time this weekend to check. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NAM: Originally Posted By TGH456E: The M862 is brass cased, not the blue stuff which is different. Blue projectile, yes, not the full length blue case. This stuff: http://www.ammo-one.com/5-56DagPlastic.html I have several boxes of that, along with the M2 bolt. As for a rebated rim on the Israeli stuff, I'll have to take a look. I could have sworn I stuck a round of M862 on a stripper clip with a few other random rounds, but could be wrong. Might have some time this weekend to check. Google the M862 and find the specs...... US M862 has a more rebated rim (IIRC by a few thousands). Use a caliper...... a stripper clip is not going to work. I have no idea if the Israeli is as well....... just a thought as to your issues. Read the 2nd paragraph: https://www.rbta.net/olin-winchester-m862-short-range-training-ammunition/ |
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Posted: 12/18/2020 12:55:13 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By TGH456E: Google the M862 and find the specs...... US M862 has a more rebated rim (IIRC by a few thousands). Use a caliper...... a stripper clip is not going to work. I have no idea if the Israeli is as well....... just a thought as to your issues. Spot on! Not noticeable to the eye, but the M862 seats in the bolt face, whereas the israeli is too large. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/13/2021 12:03:10 AM EST
Haven't seen those in awhile, these were the plastic bullets we would use in the "disputed" lands when I was in, mid '90s. They were an early attempt at less than lethal, which proved to be not always the case.
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Posted: 1/13/2021 9:35:17 AM EST
I've never seen those.
Back in the 90's I bought some German "short range ammo" that is a jacket with a semi exposed plastic core. It was fairly accurate out to 100 yards but would not always cycle in my AR. Does cycle fine in my WARS-3 though. Weird ammo is always neat. |
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