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Posted: 12/7/2023 2:56:10 AM EDT
And find out where it went and its disposition?

Would be a neat thing to do. I still have my SN memorized and written down on my rifle book.
Link Posted: 12/7/2023 5:54:15 AM EDT
[#1]
Originally Posted By fadedsun:
And find out where it went and its disposition?

Would be a neat thing to do. I still have my SN memorized and written down on my rifle book.
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Sure, you can FOIA a ham sandwich as long as it has a serial number. Now whether or not you get a hit is another story.

Let us know what happens!
Link Posted: 12/7/2023 8:46:50 AM EDT
[#2]
I think I saw your old rifle.

It was in a box of de-milled crushed receivers at a gun show for $5 per fragment.



Link Posted: 12/7/2023 9:13:26 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By _DR:

I think I saw your old rifle.

It was in a box of de-milled crushed receivers at a gun show for $5 per fragment.



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And that is why I never look in the buckets/boxes at the gun shows.  It would hurt my feelings to see TRW 1490317 unable to do what it used to do for me for those 4 years.
Link Posted: 12/7/2023 10:25:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: JoeBud] [#4]
They started keeping records in the mid-70's.
Link Posted: 12/11/2023 12:25:13 AM EDT
[#5]
Haji has it.
Joe did that.
Link Posted: 12/18/2023 4:11:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By neight:
Haji has it.
Joe did that.
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Unkle Joe ... friend of our enemies.
Link Posted: 12/18/2023 4:54:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By IHC53:



Sure, you can FOIA a ham sandwich as long as it has a serial number. Now whether or not you get a hit is another story.

Let us know what happens!
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I'm sending mine off shortly, will update this.
Link Posted: 12/18/2023 4:58:30 PM EDT
[#8]
Sent...will find out in a few days, weeks, or months.

Link Posted: 12/18/2023 6:52:07 PM EDT
[#9]
Originally Posted By fadedsun:
And find out where it went and its disposition?

Would be a neat thing to do. I still have my SN memorized and written down on my rifle book.
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Yours went to Yookrayne
Link Posted: 12/18/2023 9:54:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By StanleySpidowski:
Yours went to Yookrayne
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That'd be cool with me if it did. I'd be happy it got to live out it's intended purpose in life.
Link Posted: 12/18/2023 9:58:52 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By fadedsun:
And find out where it went and its disposition?

Would be a neat thing to do. I still have my SN memorized and written down on my rifle book.
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First off, highly doubtful.

Secondly, “rifle”? Dude, there was a period where the armorer was too fucking lazy to clean the extra rifles himself, so he would assign me a different one every week.

Link Posted: 12/18/2023 9:59:42 PM EDT
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Jesus.

Why would you want to even try to piss away some taxpayer money on a silly pointless task like researching the current whereabouts of one of the millions of M16A2s owned by DoD?

Link Posted: 12/20/2023 2:29:25 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By FightingHellfish:
Jesus.

Why would you want to even try to piss away some taxpayer money on a silly pointless task like researching the current whereabouts of one of the millions of M16A2s owned by DoD?

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Originally Posted By FightingHellfish:
Jesus.

Why would you want to even try to piss away some taxpayer money on a silly pointless task like researching the current whereabouts of one of the millions of M16A2s owned by DoD?



Why not?

Because it's cool. Of all the things that gov employees do this would be one of the cooler ones.

Originally Posted By BadRREngineer:


First off, highly doubtful.

Secondly, “rifle”? Dude, there was a period where the armorer was too fucking lazy to clean the extra rifles himself, so he would assign me a different one every week.



I've seen some pretty detailed histories from some other guys on their M1s. A more recent m16a2 in a digital system should be easier to find.

I remember my rifle SN.

It'd be cool to know
Link Posted: 12/20/2023 2:35:02 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By FightingHellfish:
Jesus.

Why would you want to even try to piss away some taxpayer money on a silly pointless task like researching the current whereabouts of one of the millions of M16A2s owned by DoD?

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why not? its better than having our tax payer money going to some stupid diversity program, im all for it OP. keep us updated
Link Posted: 12/20/2023 3:34:26 AM EDT
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I did for my old m4 and it is currently inventoried with Army, Corps of Engineers, Fort Belvoir, VA, something something darkside.

Link Posted: 12/20/2023 9:55:57 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By fadedsun:


Why not?

Because it's cool. Of all the things that gov employees do this would be one of the cooler ones.



I've seen some pretty detailed histories from some other guys on their M1s. A more recent m16a2 in a digital system should be easier to find.

I remember my rifle SN.

It'd be cool to know
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It’s completely retarded.

You only had one rifle in the military?
Link Posted: 12/20/2023 10:04:59 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By FightingHellfish:


It’s completely retarded.

You only had one rifle in the military?
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Lol, good point. I was issued mainly M16A2s during my service, and an M16A1 during BCT only, but the actual rifle/sn varied by post and duty assignment and unit arms room.

None of us kept the same rifle or sidearm for our entire active duty period.



Link Posted: 12/20/2023 11:09:04 AM EDT
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Hey Faded, I felt bad for you so I called an HSI guy who called an FBI guy who called an ATF guy who called somebody at Google LERS who called the NSA night security guy at Camp Williams who logged in with a borrowed password and got the info on your boot camp M16A2.

Turns out, after you turned it in, the Gunny who runs the arms room pulled it from service. The rifles handled by nasty Reservists are always pulled and sent to Barstow for a depot level service to get the reserve off them.

At Barstow it was DQ’d as 4F and sent to a warehouse where it languished in a rusty damp shed for a year. Eventually it was pulled and reissued to the 342nd Mess Kit Repair BN in the US Army Reserve in Badger Crossing, Kansas, where it was issued to Specialist Lafawnduh Jenkins in the S-1 shop who failed to qualify (or even successfully zero) with it for three years.

When the Mess Kit Repair BNs were disbanded, the rifle was sent into storage again at the Sierra Army Depot.

In 2015, it was transferred to the Afghan Army and shipped to Jalalabad where it was again warehoused because even ANA soldiers are embarrassed to carry A2s.

After about six months, an ANA general who needed Bacha bazi money sold it and the rest of the batch to an Uzbek arms dealer where it made its way to an ethnic Russian mafia in Kazakhstan.

It was seized by the Kazak police, where it was eventually sold by a corrupt police Colonel and purchased by agents of the Russian Federation who transferred it to separatist Russian militia in the Donbas region of Ukraine.

Two years ago militia private Sergei Valiskalikovikovikov lost his M91 Mosin and as a punishment was given your old M16A2 to carry.

Sergei used the rifle in burst mode firing green tips to shoot down several Ukrainian drones before eventually dying for Mother Russia. The rifle was last seen in the mud on the west bank of the Dneipr River by harried Ukrainian Marines.

Putin presented Sergei’s wife with the Russian Federation Medal of Valor.

The further fate of the rifle remains unknown.
Link Posted: 12/20/2023 11:15:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TNC] [#19]
Link Posted: 12/20/2023 11:23:29 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By fadedsun:


That'd be cool with me if it did. I'd be happy it got to live out it's intended purpose in life.
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Originally Posted By AROKIE:



why not? its better than having our tax payer money going to some stupid diversity program, im all for it OP. keep us updated
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This and this.
Link Posted: 12/20/2023 12:21:25 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By FightingHellfish:
Hey Faded, I felt bad for you so I called an HSI guy who called an FBI guy who called an ATF guy who called somebody at Google LERS who called the NSA night security guy at Camp Williams who logged in with a borrowed password and got the info on your boot camp M16A2.

Turns out, after you turned it in, the Gunny who runs the arms room pulled it from service. The rifles handled by nasty Reservists are always pulled and sent to Barstow for a depot level service to get the reserve off them.

At Barstow it was DQ’d as 4F and sent to a warehouse where it languished in a rusty damp shed for a year. Eventually it was pulled and reissued to the 342nd Mess Kit Repair BN in the US Army Reserve in Badger Crossing, Kansas, where it was issued to Specialist Lafawnduh Jenkins in the S-1 shop who failed to qualify (or even successfully zero) with it for three years.

When the Mess Kit Repair BNs were disbanded, the rifle was sent into storage again at the Sierra Army Depot.

In 2015, it was transferred to the Afghan Army and shipped to Jalalabad where it was again warehoused because even ANA soldiers are embarrassed to carry A2s.

After about six months, an ANA general who needed Bacha bazi money sold it and the rest of the batch to an Uzbek arms dealer where it made its way to an ethnic Russian mafia in Kazakhstan.

It was seized by the Kazak police, where it was eventually sold by a corrupt police Colonel and purchased by agents of the Russian Federation who transferred it to separatist Russian militia in the Donbas region of Ukraine.

Two years ago militia private Sergei Valiskalikovikovikov lost his M91 Mosin and as a punishment was given your old M16A2 to carry.

Sergei used the rifle in burst mode firing green tips to shoot down several Ukrainian drones before eventually dying for Mother Russia. The rifle was last seen in the mud on the west bank of the Dneipr River by harried Ukrainian Marines.

Putin presented Sergei’s wife with the Russian Federation Medal of Valor.   and a 10 pound customary bag of potatoes

The further fate of the rifle remains unknown.
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Fixed
Link Posted: 12/20/2023 1:20:11 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SteelonSteel:



Fixed
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Well yeah, the potatoes go without saying.
Link Posted: 12/21/2023 12:15:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By FightingHellfish:


It’s completely retarded.

You only had one rifle in the military?
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I’ve had probably a dozen.

But only one of them was my boot camp rifle.
Link Posted: 12/21/2023 12:17:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By FightingHellfish:
Hey Faded, I felt bad for you so I called an HSI guy who called an FBI guy who called an ATF guy who called somebody at Google LERS who called the NSA night security guy at Camp Williams who logged in with a borrowed password and got the info on your boot camp M16A2.

Turns out, after you turned it in, the Gunny who runs the arms room pulled it from service. The rifles handled by nasty Reservists are always pulled and sent to Barstow for a depot level service to get the reserve off them.

At Barstow it was DQ’d as 4F and sent to a warehouse where it languished in a rusty damp shed for a year. Eventually it was pulled and reissued to the 342nd Mess Kit Repair BN in the US Army Reserve in Badger Crossing, Kansas, where it was issued to Specialist Lafawnduh Jenkins in the S-1 shop who failed to qualify (or even successfully zero) with it for three years.

When the Mess Kit Repair BNs were disbanded, the rifle was sent into storage again at the Sierra Army Depot.

In 2015, it was transferred to the Afghan Army and shipped to Jalalabad where it was again warehoused because even ANA soldiers are embarrassed to carry A2s.

After about six months, an ANA general who needed Bacha bazi money sold it and the rest of the batch to an Uzbek arms dealer where it made its way to an ethnic Russian mafia in Kazakhstan.

It was seized by the Kazak police, where it was eventually sold by a corrupt police Colonel and purchased by agents of the Russian Federation who transferred it to separatist Russian militia in the Donbas region of Ukraine.

Two years ago militia private Sergei Valiskalikovikovikov lost his M91 Mosin and as a punishment was given your old M16A2 to carry.

Sergei used the rifle in burst mode firing green tips to shoot down several Ukrainian drones before eventually dying for Mother Russia. The rifle was last seen in the mud on the west bank of the Dneipr River by harried Ukrainian Marines.

Putin presented Sergei’s wife with the Russian Federation Medal of Valor.

The further fate of the rifle remains unknown.
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Originally Posted By FightingHellfish:
Hey Faded, I felt bad for you so I called an HSI guy who called an FBI guy who called an ATF guy who called somebody at Google LERS who called the NSA night security guy at Camp Williams who logged in with a borrowed password and got the info on your boot camp M16A2.

Turns out, after you turned it in, the Gunny who runs the arms room pulled it from service. The rifles handled by nasty Reservists are always pulled and sent to Barstow for a depot level service to get the reserve off them.

At Barstow it was DQ’d as 4F and sent to a warehouse where it languished in a rusty damp shed for a year. Eventually it was pulled and reissued to the 342nd Mess Kit Repair BN in the US Army Reserve in Badger Crossing, Kansas, where it was issued to Specialist Lafawnduh Jenkins in the S-1 shop who failed to qualify (or even successfully zero) with it for three years.

When the Mess Kit Repair BNs were disbanded, the rifle was sent into storage again at the Sierra Army Depot.

In 2015, it was transferred to the Afghan Army and shipped to Jalalabad where it was again warehoused because even ANA soldiers are embarrassed to carry A2s.

After about six months, an ANA general who needed Bacha bazi money sold it and the rest of the batch to an Uzbek arms dealer where it made its way to an ethnic Russian mafia in Kazakhstan.

It was seized by the Kazak police, where it was eventually sold by a corrupt police Colonel and purchased by agents of the Russian Federation who transferred it to separatist Russian militia in the Donbas region of Ukraine.

Two years ago militia private Sergei Valiskalikovikovikov lost his M91 Mosin and as a punishment was given your old M16A2 to carry.

Sergei used the rifle in burst mode firing green tips to shoot down several Ukrainian drones before eventually dying for Mother Russia. The rifle was last seen in the mud on the west bank of the Dneipr River by harried Ukrainian Marines.

Putin presented Sergei’s wife with the Russian Federation Medal of Valor.

The further fate of the rifle remains unknown.



Well, okay

It was a  Paris island rifle, but whatever

Originally Posted By TNC:
I'd be interested whether there's a system that could track down a specific piece of hardware in the inventory.


I FOIA'ed my CMP Garand and learned that it fired the shot that ended WWII in the ETO.


The usmc started using a4s in 2011/2012 so I suspect it languished around for a couple more years before heading somewhere else.
Link Posted: 12/21/2023 1:56:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By fadedsun:



Well, okay

It was a  Paris island rifle, but whatever



The usmc started using a4s in 2011/2012 so I suspect it languished around for a couple more years before heading somewhere else.
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Wait…

Île de la Cité?

Link Posted: 12/26/2023 10:23:37 AM EDT
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I had the same M4 Carbine for 14 years and still have my weapons card with serial #.  My unit was stood up in 99. I enlisted after a 10 year break in service and joined the unit in 2001 weeks before 9/11.
The unit had borrowed A2s until their purchased/issued M4s were received in the unit in 2003.  I was issued #45 and had it till 2017 when I retired. I had it in Iraq and Afghanistan.  Only optics, accessories and lasers changed.  I could probably go visit it at the unit still.
Link Posted: 12/31/2023 1:25:27 AM EDT
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On Snipershide the M24 rebuild owners are getting complete hits on their FOIA requests.
Link Posted: 1/2/2024 8:37:22 PM EDT
[#28]
I just got my FOIA back for my A2. In 2010 it was transferred to an “unknown” unit.
Attachment Attached File
Link Posted: 1/2/2024 8:43:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mpdphil:
I just got my FOIA back for my A2. In 2010 it was transferred to an “unknown” unit.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/66729/IMG_4144_jpeg-3079898.JPG
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@mpdphil

That’s awesome! When did you submit yours?

I did mine roughly 2 weeks ago. Shouldn’t be long
Link Posted: 1/2/2024 8:53:28 PM EDT
[#30]
I submitted my request on December 20.
Link Posted: 1/2/2024 9:00:55 PM EDT
[#31]
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Originally Posted By FightingHellfish:
Hey Faded, I felt bad for you so I called an HSI guy who called an FBI guy who called an ATF guy who called somebody at Google LERS who called the NSA night security guy at Camp Williams who logged in with a borrowed password and got the info on your boot camp M16A2.

Turns out, after you turned it in, the Gunny who runs the arms room pulled it from service. The rifles handled by nasty Reservists are always pulled and sent to Barstow for a depot level service to get the reserve off them.

At Barstow it was DQ’d as 4F and sent to a warehouse where it languished in a rusty damp shed for a year. Eventually it was pulled and reissued to the 342nd Mess Kit Repair BN in the US Army Reserve in Badger Crossing, Kansas, where it was issued to Specialist Lafawnduh Jenkins in the S-1 shop who failed to qualify (or even successfully zero) with it for three years.

When the Mess Kit Repair BNs were disbanded, the rifle was sent into storage again at the Sierra Army Depot.

In 2015, it was transferred to the Afghan Army and shipped to Jalalabad where it was again warehoused because even ANA soldiers are embarrassed to carry A2s.

After about six months, an ANA general who needed Bacha bazi money sold it and the rest of the batch to an Uzbek arms dealer where it made its way to an ethnic Russian mafia in Kazakhstan.

It was seized by the Kazak police, where it was eventually sold by a corrupt police Colonel and purchased by agents of the Russian Federation who transferred it to separatist Russian militia in the Donbas region of Ukraine.

Two years ago militia private Sergei Valiskalikovikovikov lost his M91 Mosin and as a punishment was given your old M16A2 to carry.

Sergei used the rifle in burst mode firing green tips to shoot down several Ukrainian drones before eventually dying for Mother Russia. The rifle was last seen in the mud on the west bank of the Dneipr River by harried Ukrainian Marines.

Putin presented Sergei’s wife with the Russian Federation Medal of Valor.

The further fate of the rifle remains unknown.
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Right click, save as
Link Posted: 1/2/2024 9:07:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mpdphil:
I submitted my request on December 20.
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I did mine roughly the same time. Shouldn’t be long
Link Posted: 2/28/2024 12:54:39 AM EDT
[#33]
Email acknowledging receipt today

Link Posted: 3/12/2024 8:14:58 PM EDT
[#34]
My rifle, M16A1, is still at Parris Island being screamed at by a DI wondering why they still think its serviceable.
Link Posted: 4/11/2024 4:14:29 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By formermarine63:
My rifle, M16A1, is still at Parris Island being screamed at by a DI wondering why they still think its serviceable.
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If you had an m16a1 it's well past time for you to retire, old guy
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