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11/24/2006 8:07:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TNVC][Edited]
IR ILLUMINATOR SHOOT OUT

Hello all, since I started out in night vision back in 1994 I’ve noticed that finding good night vision sources with viable information has usually been hard to come by.  Most publications via the internet have been mediocre, with written publications being either biased to a company or the author not knowledgeable about the subject matter at hand to report findings that are most important to the night vision consumer.  I’ve struggled with this lack of information and learned the “hard way” in many instances by purchasing NV gear that was substandard and did not meet my mission goals.  

As many of you know, I have now become a dealer of high-end night vision products and their accessories.  Over the last several years I have conducted training and consulting to many LE and Fed folks.  With now being a public dealer as well, I strive to give you folks here the best information I can in the world of NV products.  

With that being said, there have been many discussions over the years in regards to IR illuminators that have hit the market.  Lots of mysteries and false claims in many instances have sometimes plagued the capacities of these units. After hearing and reading so much debate, I decided to perform a hands-on shoot out of the 5 top dedicated IR illuminators out there.  The 5 IR lights I chose for this test were, (in no particular order)

1) Pentagon IR Illuminator
2) ATN IR Illuminator
3) Sure Fire M1 Illuminator
4) “Da-Torch” ELR (Extended Long Range Illuminator)
5) “Da-Torch ELR-VFB (Variable Focus Beam)

While not getting into a technical discussion on the inner workings of IR illuminators, something that is out of the scope of this article, I will talk briefly on a few technical points.  Each illuminator selected for this shoot-out, is a pure IR LED device.  No IR laser illuminators were used, nor were incandescent flash lights with IR filters placed over the lenses (which btw, is the most ineffective way to employ an IR light source for range).  Briefly put, any time you place an IR filter over an incandescent light source, you will lose over 70% of the light source.  Also something some are not aware of; and must be stated here, all dedicated IR illuminators emit some sort of a faint red glow visible to the naked eye as all the IR LED units tested here fall into the 810-850nm light spectrum.  Also note that this faint red glow can ONLY be seen while positioned directly in front of the light within 2-3deg to the sides. Some units produce more or less of this red glow than others. This fact is an important point to some out there, where absolute stealth is a necessity.  The only way to really have this stealth option is to employ an IR LASER Illuminator of some sort. Look for an upcoming article on these amazing devices as well.

Each light tested here was viewed through a Gen 3 intensifier tube, specifically an ITT PVS-14. I have of course (you know me) taken lots of NV side-by-side pics showing each illuminator tested at the end of this article.  All night tests and pics were completed in the same evening under the same conditions in a very dark area with no moon and a clear sky. (The variable torch pics were taken at a later time due to it's recent release.)  At the end of this shoot-out, I gave a ranking to each illuminator based on the criteria I thought were most relevant.  These are:

1) Range, broken into CQB, Medium and Long Range.
2) Naked Eye Visibility
3) Durability
4) Mounting Solutions
5) Cost

It is important to note here that the results of this test did surprise some in the industry.  In fact, some industry folks did not believe the results until the pictures were first shown to them. Most times it had to do with the actual range their devices reached out to vs. the advertised claim. It’s also important to remember the test results here are very subjective in nature and what some users might deem important such as the red LED glow, some users may deem this aspect not as important.  Range is also subjective to what the end users mission requirement is.  

PENTAGON MS2 IR ILLUMINATOR
The first unit I tested was Pentagon’s IR Illuminator.  When I first handled the unit, I was very surprised that the unit is built like a tank!  At around 5” in length, this was one tough light!  The unit came with a pressure switch cap option, ARMS throw lever for weapon mounting and was powered with 2 CR123’s batteries. The lens is made up of 19 small LED’s. The fixed beam field of view (FOV) for this particular unit was not advertised either in the instruction manual, nor Pentagon’s web site. Strangely enough, when I contacted Pentagon, and after talking with 3 folks, none of them could give me the true FOV.  Most informed me that the FOV was based on range. While I understood this aspect, there had to be a fixed FOV of some sort.  I guess this was going to be my job to figure this out…

After powering up the light for the first time, I found out very quickly about the FOV. It had to be over 40-50deg at 20 yards!  As you can see by some of the pics at the end of this article, while a very clean beam, the Pentagon light covers the whole viewing area. The next thing I looked at was the red glow of the unit.  Due to the vast number of LEDs that made up the lens, it was no surprise this red glow was the brightest of all the units tested.  I actually saw the red glow out to 65+ yards with an unaided naked eye.

The next area I tested was the effective range of the unit.  Due to the wide FOV of this unit, the most I was able to illuminate effectively was out to 75-85 yards max.  Pentagon claims a 300-yard range.  For CQB roles, the unit performed very well indoors, but the numerous LED’s produced a red glow from center to a 20-degree off center angle that is very questionable if stealth is a concern.

As for reliability of the unit, it worked well and the pressure switch also worked extremely well.  This particular unit came with an integral ARM’s throw lever mount. The unit could be hand held as well. As stated, the unit is very robust and is built like a tank.  

As for the retail cost of the unit, I came away very surprised that the suggested retail was in the neighborhood of $315.00 with the included pressure switch and arms throw lever.   Street price may be a bit cheaper.

ATN IR ILLUMINATOR
This illuminator came in as a smaller unit (around 4” in length) and had an adjustable beam from approx. 2-6deg FOV on the bezel, as well as a variable power selector by the use of two small  +/- buttons on the body housing along with windage and elevation adjustments. The unit is powered by one CR123 and has an on/off power switch.   Presently, the light I had was a version that was made to fit ATN’s line of NV riflescopes. Due to the shape of the unit, no other weapon mount was available at the time of this writing so the unit was only tested hand-held.

After powering up the unit for the first time, I played with the units adjustable FOV.  I found the unit did very well from CQB out to a true 275 yards with the 2 deg setting. I was quite surprised with the range of this unit.  The beam itself was somewhat clean, but did show a strange hourglass shaped dark area in the middle of the beam no matter what FOV or power setting. The variable power buttons seemed to have approx. 6 power settings, but between the lowest and highest settings, although the beam intensity did not show a large difference in intensity.  During indoors, the unit performed satisfactory for CQB roles but once again if stealth is a concern, the red glow is worrisome but only visible with 5 degrees off-axis.  The red glow of this unit was also very visible to the naked eye out to 60 yards or so.

The reliability of this unit worked well with durability in question due to the all plastic construction.  I feel the unit could get damaged during room clearing, etc, where contact could be made with walls, etc. if capable of being mounted to a rail system.

Retail price for the unit I found for approx. $139.00

SUREFIRE MI ILLUMINATOR
SureFire’s M1 IR illuminator was next.  This unit came in as the smallest overall unit, approx. 3.5” x ¾” diameter and powered by one CR123.  The unit has a twist on or off or momentary on via the tail cap and is built well as all Surefire lights with machined aluminum construction.  A pressure switch can be ordered from SF as with all SF modular products.  The unit does not come with any weapon mounts but can be easily adaptable with a number of 1” weapon rings and mounts.  I used a Viking Tactical ring setup for testing.  Larue’s new dual light ring mount will be a big hit with this system as well.

Firing the unit up showed that the M1 provided the cleanest beam of all the units.  A solid circular beam of light at approx. 4 deg backed up with a great reflector provided this clean beam of IR light.  I tested the unit indoors, and it provided the best indoor CQB role.  During outdoor testing, the unit showed an effective range out to 75max.  
The red glow of this units LED was seen approx. 40 yards away naked eye with a 4deg off-axis view of the beam.

The reliability if this unit worked perfectly and durability is not in question due to the machined aluminum construction.  

Retail price for this unit was $135.00

“Da-Torch” Extended Long Range Illuminator  
Da-Torch was up next.  The unit is powered with 1 CR123 and comes with an integral rail mount, that either affixes to a Picatinny rail or the mount base removes allowing the unit to attach to the D-740 or 760 line of NV rifle scopes. A rocker toggle on/off rubberized pressure switch is located atop the unit.  Overall dimensions of the unit are approx. 6-1/2” x 1 –1/2” diameter. Construction of the unit is armored rubber with a polymer bezel.  

Upon initial power up Da-Torch produced the strongest intensity of all the units tested out to a true 300 yards!  The beams FOV was approx. 6 deg and showed a flash light type appearance at 20 yards with a very clean inner 4 deg beam, with a faint diffused outer beam that was not apparent past 20 yards. For CQB roles, the unit is very bright with minor blooming indoors.  The red glow of the unit was visible to the naked eye out to 40 yards with off-axis viewing at 4 deg.

The reliability of this unit worked perfectly and durability was excellent due to the rubberized armor.

Retail price for this unit was $149.00

“Da-Torch” Extended Long Range Illuminator  - Variable Focus Beam
At the time of this writing a new model torch was released with many new features from the original torch.  The unit is a tad bit smaller at 6” x 1” diameter and now comes with a variable focused beam that adjusts from 2-8 deg via a rotating bezel.  The unit also comes standard with a silent twist power switch.  The mount is also a weaver style Picatinny that fits to both a rail and the D-740 and 760 line of NV rifle scopes. One added feature to the mount is the ability to adjust the windage and elevation of the beam to boresight the beam.

Field-testing of the unit showed an impressive range of 400+ yards at the 2deg beam setting.  The variable adjustment bezel is a threaded friction type that does not move with recoil.  The beam itself on this model is a very clean and with the widest setting positioned at 8deg, CQB roles are a cinch with no blooming noted.  

As an option the unit also comes with a new-coiled pressure switch that replaces the silent end-cap switch.

The reliability of this unit was also perfect and the durability was also excellent.  The faint red glow was seen at approx 40 yards. Interesting enough, due to the recessed nature of the LED inside of the rotating bezel, viewing of the faint red glow was not seen off-axis except dead-on in front the of the unit + or - a degree.

Retail price for the unit was $199.00.  The pressure switch option was $39.00


Before I go on to the rankings, please keep in mind as I stated earlier in this article that reviews of lighting systems is always subjective.  Where I might think one aspect is important for my mission requirements, others may have different areas that deem important to them.  Thus, I have tried to balance these rankings to several different mission requirements.  With that said here are my findings,

Best Long-Range Applications
1). Variable Beam ELR Torch (Approx. at 400 yards+)
2). Fixed Beam ELR Torch. (Approx. 300 yards+)
3). ATN IR Illuminator (Approx. 275 yards+)
4). Pentagon’s IR Illuminator (Approx. 80 yards max)
5). Surefire M1 IR Illuminator (Approx. 70 yards)

Best Medium Range Applications (200 yards)
1). Variable Beam ELR (With at 5deg beam setting)
2). ATN IR Illuminator (With 3deg beam setting)
3). Fixed Beam ELR Torch

Best CQB Applications (Indoors)
1). Surefire M1 Illuminator
2). Pentagon MS2 Illuminator
3). Variable Beam ELR Torch

LED Faint Red Glow Naked Eye Visibility (Least to most visible)
1).  Variable Beam ELR Torch (40 yards within 1deg off-axis)
2).  A virtual tie for SureFire’s M1 and Fixed Beam ELR torch. (40 yards with a 4 deg off-axis view)
3). ATN IR Illuminator (60 yards with a 4 deg off-axis view)
4). Pentagon MS2 Illuminator (70 yards with a 20 deg off-axis view)

Durability (Very Subjective here as all units test VERY robust except for the ATN unit)
1). Pentagon MS2
2). Surefire M1
3). Both ELR Torches.
4). ATN IR

Mounting Solutions
1). Variable Torch ELR (Screw Picatinny/weaver rail mount with adjustable windage and elevation, as well as removal rail for NV Rifle scope mounting of the D-740 and D-760)
2). Fixed Beam ELR Torch. (Screw Picatinny/weaver rail mount with removal mount for NV Rifle scope mounting of the D-740 and D-760)
3). Pentagon MS2 (Integral Arms throw lever)
4). ATN IR. (Integral mount only for dedicated ATN line of rifle scopes)
5). Surefire M1. (No rail mount included.  After market mounts available from Viking and Larue).

Cost (Least Expensive to Most Expensive based on MSRP)
1). M1 Surefire ($135.00)
2). ATN IR ($140.00)
3). ELR Fixed Beam Torch ($149.00)
4). ELR Variable Beam Torch ($199.00)
5). Pentagon MS2 ($315.00)

In closing, I hope you have gained some insight to the best IR illuminators out there for your hard earned dollar.   The units above represent state of the art for all night vision intensified devices.  With current IR lasers restricted to the general public, these LED units are the best option for our NV needs.  Thanks all!

Depicted below are the photo’s for the illuminators above. Please note the following.  
-All shots were taken with a Minolta Z1Image Digi Camera through the tube of the PVS-14.
-In some instances there is camera bloom due to the incredible amount of IR light, not one of the units caused any blooming of the PVS-14.
-The Variable ELR torch was a late-comer (after the original article was written) and through-the-tube pics side by side with the ATN or M1 are not included.  Comparison shots with the fixed beam torch are shown.

ATN, Fixed Bean Torch and Surefire M1


Fixed Beam Torch, Variable Beam Torch and Surefire M1 (Photo's curtesy of Wes1)


Fixed Beam Torch, M1, Pentagon and ATN (from left to right)


IR Beams on a fence 10 yards away. (From left to right,) M1, ATN and Fixed Beam Torch. Note, the Pentagon's huge FOV is not easliy seen as it encompasses the whole view shown and is washed out by the other units intensities.


Visible Faint Red Glow. Fixed Beam Torch, M1, Pentagon and ATN (from left to right)viewed at 3 feet with no NV



Down Range Looks - (1st Birm 25 yards, 2nd 50, 3rd 100 and 4th Birm is 200 yards. Tree's at approx. 275 yards away)

ATN, Fixed Beam Torch, Pentagon and M1 (Once again due to the Pentagons huge FOV, the other units intensities washed out this image)



100 Yard Looks

ATN


Fixed Beam Torch


Surefire M1


Pentagon



275 yard looks with magnified 6x with a D-760 NV Rifle Scope

ATN


Fixed Beam Torch



200 yard look through a 4x Raptor with the Variable Beam Torch (2deg setting) and 8 deg fixed torch.




300 yard looks (Thanks to Wes 1 for the pic)

Variable Torch (left) and fixed beam (right)







Victor Di Cosola
Tactical Night Vision Company - TNVC
www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842

"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
1/23/2007 11:22:53 PM EDT
[#1]
Sweet write up - i say 4 outta 7 for the  Variable ELR is the "majority winner" in my book
i dunno about anyone else (and no, i don't need one, just think NV is the coolest thing since the AR!

1/24/2007 1:33:15 PM EDT
[#2]
Glad you enjoyed the review! Night Vision is VERY habit forming which equals very interesting conversations with my "Minister of Finance!"  Our fairly new NV forum is also a great place to gather info as well! www.ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=6&f=18

Vic
Victor Di Cosola
Tactical Night Vision Company - TNVC
www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842

"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
2/3/2007 6:02:13 PM EDT
[#3]
Wow absolutly great wright up!
2/5/2007 4:13:01 PM EDT
[#4]
Thank you Josh.
Victor Di Cosola
Tactical Night Vision Company - TNVC
www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842

"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
2/11/2007 1:58:59 PM EDT
[#5]
very cool

one thing that i found intersting with the M1 was the LED chosen for it. Surefire didn't put a very high end IR led in there.
12/18/2007 3:59:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: O_DubhGhaill][Edited] [#6]
Very informative review.
12/22/2007 10:41:30 AM EDT
[#7]

Originally Posted By BionicSniper:
very cool

one thing that i found intersting with the M1 was the LED chosen for it. Surefire didn't put a very high end IR led in there.


I thought the SF IR was very good or at least the reflector was.
Victor Di Cosola
Tactical Night Vision Company - TNVC
www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842

"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
12/22/2007 10:41:51 AM EDT
[#8]

Originally Posted By O_DubhGhaill:
Very informative review.


Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
Victor Di Cosola
Tactical Night Vision Company - TNVC
www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842

"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
1/27/2008 1:38:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: M60forever][Edited] [#9]

Originally Posted By zarraza:
Sweet write up - i say 4 outta 7 for the  Variable ELR is the "majority winner" in my book
i dunno about anyone else (and no, i don't need one, just think NV is the coolest thing since the AR!



where can i buy one of these elr torch lasers
1/30/2008 12:19:18 AM EDT
[#10]

Originally Posted By M60forever:

Originally Posted By zarraza:
Sweet write up - i say 4 outta 7 for the  Variable ELR is the "majority winner" in my book
i dunno about anyone else (and no, i don't need one, just think NV is the coolest thing since the AR!



where can i buy one of these elr torch lasers


Here ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=23&t=381568
or here www.tacticalnightvision.com/illumination.htm
Hope this helps.

Vic
Victor Di Cosola
Tactical Night Vision Company - TNVC
http://www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842

"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
4/9/2008 5:49:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ARMY30YEARSPLUS][Edited] [#11]
Victor:
If you still have the shots I took in Iraq you might want to add them to this thread.
4/17/2008 12:29:16 PM EDT
[#12]

Originally Posted By ARMY30YEARSPLUS:
Victor:
If you still have the shots I took in Iraq you might want to add them to this thread.


That's a good idea!  Glad to see your type, continue to be safe out there along with the rest of the boys!!

Vic
Victor Di Cosola
Tactical Night Vision Company - TNVC
http://www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842

"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
5/29/2008 9:43:16 PM EDT
[#13]
As I understand it, the Surefire is only sold to LEO/Mil.  Are any of the others available to regular guys (like me)?  Thanks.
5/30/2008 2:49:30 AM EDT
[#14]

Originally Posted By 500grains:
As I understand it, the Surefire is only sold to LEO/Mil.  Are any of the others available to regular guys (like me)?  Thanks.


Are you talking about the IR LED M1 Surefire Illuminator?
Victor Di Cosola
Tactical Night Vision Company - TNVC
http://www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842

"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
5/30/2008 10:57:49 AM EDT
[#15]
Maybe I am getting my comments off track with the discussion.  I just looked it up and I was referring to the Surefire L75 laser sight.

http://www.surefire.com/surefire/content/l75_full.jpg

Is there a comparable product available to regular guys?

Sorry if I am a bit off track from the thread.
6/1/2008 5:29:40 PM EDT
[#16]
The IR laser stuff unfortunately is restricted OR the manufacturer needs  to get a waiver of some sort to sell to civies.  The units here I depicted are pure IR LED units that are completely eye safe.  Hope this helps.

Vic
Victor Di Cosola
Tactical Night Vision Company - TNVC
http://www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842

"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
6/13/2008 7:06:51 PM EDT
[#17]
Wow.. nice write up.  Don't usually look at the flashlight section.  Now I know how the Fix torch compares to the rest.  Not bad at all!  
6/18/2008 5:42:07 PM EDT
[#18]

Originally Posted By Ryo:
Wow.. nice write up.  Don't usually look at the flashlight section.  Now I know how the Fix torch compares to the rest.  Not bad at all!  


Thanks!  
Victor Di Cosola
Tactical Night Vision Company - TNVC
http://www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842

"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
6/19/2008 3:40:18 AM EDT
[#19]
BTW I just wanted to give you props (and thanks) for replacing my Fix Torch with the loose lense.  (Victor even paid for the shipping)

Great products.  Great service.
6/19/2008 5:07:31 AM EDT
[#20]
Props to you on the post, great write up, glad to see it got tac'd
<font size=2>-Nick كافر
"That which does not destroy me, has made a serious tactical error.”</font id=s2>
6/27/2008 12:45:29 PM EDT
[#21]
Thanks for the compliments guys!  

Vic
Victor Di Cosola
Tactical Night Vision Company - TNVC
http://www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842

"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
8/13/2008 8:04:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: rambo1937][Edited] [#22]
I have a new d-740 ms 2+ and a new DA Torch.

I can't get much better than 100 yds with the da torch.

I bought these items 3 weeks ago and both are back at Optichq as i write.

My experience with the torch is a lot less than the pictures in Victors Illuminator comparison.

Don't know what the problem is yet no word from Mike at Optichq........

At this point I'm not a happy camper...........

Edited to add MS 2+
8/14/2008 10:48:52 AM EDT
[#23]

Originally Posted By rambo1937:
I have a new d-740 ms 2+ and a new DA Torch.

I can't get much better than 100 yds with the da torch.

I bought these items 3 weeks ago and both are back at Optichq as i write.

My experience with the torch is a lot less than the pictures in Victors Illuminator comparison.

Don't know what the problem is yet no word from Mike at Optichq........

At this point I'm not a happy camper...........

Edited to add MS 2+


There MUST be an issue, as the variable units see MUCH further than this. Please keep in mind you also are using a Gen 2 MS versus a Gen 3 as well. This will decrease your viewing distance as well.  Hope this helps.


Vic
Tactical Night Vision Corporation - TNVC, INC.
http://www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842

"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
8/30/2008 11:02:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: GySgtD][Edited] [#24]
Ever try a Streamlight Sidewinder?  I picked one up yesterday, but my NVD died some months ago, so am not able to test it.

It's not weapon mounted; I intend to mount it on a helmet.

Just asking.  No hurry, no worry.

ETA> The military version has a built-in IR illuminator....
"Do you need to be told that even such modest attainments as you can boast in the way of polite society will hardly survive the Faith to which they owe their significance?" T.S. Eliot
9/4/2008 8:36:42 PM EDT
[#25]
Victor, you do great reviews. Any chance/plans on doing an IR laser review?.....Pretty please?.........
9/5/2008 11:05:22 AM EDT
[#26]
height=8
Originally Posted By ChampFerguson:
Victor, you do great reviews. Any chance/plans on doing an IR laser review?.....Pretty please?.........

+1, a nice in depth review and comparison of say the peq-2, paq-4, vital-2, atilla, gcp, dbal-a^2, atpial, etc.  Speaking of, i thought i saw a pic of yours that had an atpial in it.  What do you think of that unit compared to the dbal-a^2?
9/10/2008 1:09:48 AM EDT
[#27]

Originally Posted By GySgtD:
Ever try a Streamlight Sidewinder?  I picked one up yesterday, but my NVD died some months ago, so am not able to test it.

It's not weapon mounted; I intend to mount it on a helmet.

Just asking.  No hurry, no worry.


I have not.  No problem.
Tactical Night Vision Corporation - TNVC, INC.
http://www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842

"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
9/10/2008 1:11:22 AM EDT
[#28]

Originally Posted By ChampFerguson:
Victor, you do great reviews. Any chance/plans on doing an IR laser review?.....Pretty please?.........


I WAS thinking about doing one of these awhile back. Just got so busy with other reviews.
Tactical Night Vision Corporation - TNVC, INC.
http://www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842

"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
1/27/2009 6:46:28 PM EDT
[#29]
Great review and pics thanl u....
1/30/2009 10:25:57 AM EDT
[#30]
Your welcome!
Tactical Night Vision Corporation - TNVC, INC.
http://www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842
http://www.tacticalgunfan.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=369&Itemid=74
8/8/2009 9:56:59 AM EDT
[#31]
great photo's
For those few men who hunted other armed men and enjoyed it , Life has no greater adventure
9/22/2009 9:50:15 PM EDT
[#32]
Thank you!
Tactical Night Vision Corporation - TNVC, INC.
http://www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842
http://www.tacticalgunfan.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=369&Itemid=74
11/26/2009 7:21:27 AM EDT
[#33]
Great wright up!  Gave me some info I did not know. THANK YOU VERY MUCH for the post.
11/29/2009 11:58:45 AM EDT
[#34]
Your welcome. We will update the review once we get a few newer Illuminators in our hands from Surefire and and few others.
Tactical Night Vision Corporation - TNVC, INC.
http://www.tnvc.com
[email protected]
(909) 796-7000
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12/20/2009 10:49:08 PM EDT
[#35]
Has anyone here had experience with Laser Genetics ND3? I am considering one for a coyote rifle.
Cal
12/21/2009 1:42:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TNVC][Edited] [#36]
Originally Posted By clawman:
Has anyone here had experience with Laser Genetics ND3? I am considering one for a coyote rifle.
Cal


This is a visible light, not IR. Hope this helps.

Vic
Tactical Night Vision Corporation - TNVC, INC.
http://www.tnvc.com
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(909) 796-7000
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2/10/2010 1:33:29 AM EDT
[#37]
Going to add the Streamlight along with the new Surefire Vampire (V-Series) IR lights to the mix here soon.

Vic
Tactical Night Vision Corporation - TNVC, INC.
http://www.tnvc.com
[email protected]
(909) 796-7000
http://www.tacticalgunfan.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=369&Itemid=74
3/5/2010 7:09:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Jin1515][Edited] [#38]
Great review Vic!
I'm really looking forward to seeing the comparison with the relatively new Surefire V2 added in as well
4/2/2010 12:05:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TNVC][Edited] [#39]
Originally Posted By Jin1515:
Great review Vic!
I'm really looking forward to seeing the comparison with the relatively new Surefire V2 added in as well


Indeed, we will get them both up here.

Vic
Tactical Night Vision Corporation - TNVC, INC.
http://www.tnvc.com
[email protected]
(909) 796-7000
http://www.tacticalgunfan.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=369&Itemid=74
4/19/2010 10:10:43 PM EDT
[#40]
Looking forward to the comparison.
I just got the Vampire2.

Originally Posted By Jin1515:
Great review Vic!
I'm really looking forward to seeing the comparison with the relatively new Surefire V2 added in as well


6/25/2010 2:52:14 AM EDT
[#41]
Currently trying to sell some of my other lights to get a Vampire.  Hope you get a review up before I do.
Eat the apple, . . .

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7/6/2010 8:21:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TNVC][Edited] [#42]
Clasky just completed our review of Surefire's new Vampire M952V/V2 entries and added to this tacked thread. Enjoy!











Tactical Night Vision Corporation - TNVC, INC.
http://www.tnvc.com
[email protected]
(909) 796-7000
"Eliminating our adversaries 940nm at a time"
7/8/2010 4:59:26 PM EDT
[#43]
I purchased one of the new Vampire lights off the EE new in wrap for significantly less then MSRP.
Having just had it for an hour or so, here are a couple of observations.

Victor states that the mount is non-switchable.  Perhaps the mount has been changed, but I was able to turn it around on mine.


I like how Surefires throwlever works, but it is huge, and I've already accidental released it once already.  Don't know if I like it.

As for the white light, it doesn't throw the perfectly round beam I am used to from Surefire.  Perfectly functional, but I was surprised to see that.
Eat the apple, . . .

beequewl, "And use small words, i ate a lot of paint chips as a chld...and later in life as well."
7/11/2010 12:58:26 PM EDT
[#44]
The mount I had would not allow me to switch it because it wanted to index into a small undercut on the "legs" of the mount.  I may have been doing something wrong, though.  I'll have to look at it again.
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8/1/2012 9:54:53 AM EDT
[#45]


Torch PRO

The TNVC Torch PRO is the latest generation of the wildly popular Torch line of Infrared Illuminators and yet again, shifts the paradigm.  The Torch PRO re-imagines the concept by introducing a host of features not found in any other product on the market, while offering performance that rivals anything in its class.  A clean, smooth, and focus-able beam of infrared light is emitted from its high-power LED.  Seamless mechanical focus allows adjustment between 1 and 10°, offering area or point illumination at distances past 800 yards!  This is a huge benefit to hunters and LE snipers who need to identify targets at long range and the Torch PRO is one of the only civilian-legal, non-laser IR Illuminators to offer this kind of reach.  If that was not enough, the Torch PRO still offers usable area illumination even when focused down to long range!  See the photos below for proof!



Encased in a sleek yet rugged aerospace-grade aluminum housing with Mil-Spec Type III Hard Anodizing, the Torch PRO’s virtually indestructible LED provides the user with the best civilian-legal IR illumination on the market.  A German-made impact-resistant glass lens system produces a crisp beam while the smooth focus ring allows for easy one hand operation.  The wide flood allows for area illumination at close distances, while the tight spot aids in identification of targets at long range.









While the Torch PRO is a great hand-held illuminator, its 1″ tube allows for a plethora of weapon mount options.  We offer it packaged with the excellent VTAC Light Mount.  Its Tactical Tailcap mimics familiar operating procedures from other popular lights: Press for momentary activation, twist for constant-on.  A built-in switch lockout prevents accidental activation during transport or storage.  The Torch PRO is designed to stand up to field abuse, including complete water submersion.

Oh, did we mention compatibility with existing Surefire, LLC tailcaps?  You read that right, the TNVC Torch PRO is compatible with Surefire XM and Z59 Tailcaps!  You wanted options?  You got options!  Oh, and while we're at it, I might as well throw in the compatibility with Surefire G2, 6P, Z, C, and PX Series light bodies for good measure.  Hell yes, we totally went there!  So, this means that you can now have your Surefire light in a weapon mount and say "Hey, I think I'm gonna go blast some hogs tonight!"  All you have to do is unscrew the head off your Surefire light and screw the Torch PRO head on in its place.  Voila!  It's time to go make some bacon!  **Note** the Torch PRO head is only compatible with the 2-cell Surefire ligths from the series mentioned above.  3 cells can possibly damage the Torch PRO circuitry due to over-voltage.



We have listened to the feedback from end users of the legacy ELR Torch-V.  Their input has helped us develop, what we feel, is the most versatile infrared illuminator available today.
Tactical Night Vision Company - TNVC

www.tnvc.com
(909) 796-7000
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
8/2/2012 4:25:15 PM EDT
[#46]
Would you be so kind as to compare the Torch Pro and the SPIR please?
It is a very limited mind that can only think of one way to spell a word.

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8/2/2012 6:34:57 PM EDT
[#47]
The comparison of the Vampire was what I would have expected.  I have a M952V, but might try switching to a M720V for size and weigh savings.
9/17/2012 2:37:06 AM EDT
[#48]
What are the odds of you guys doing a comparison with the regular SF vampire head and a 720V?  Or maybe a 720V against the DBAL-D2 or Torch Pro?
10/9/2012 12:57:24 PM EDT
[#49]
Originally Posted By Will816:
What are the odds of you guys doing a comparison with the regular SF vampire head and a 720V?  Or maybe a 720V against the DBAL-D2 or Torch Pro?


Coming with the D2 and the Torch Pro.

Vic
Tactical Night Vision Corporation - TNVC, INC.
http://www.tnvc.com
[email protected]
(909) 796-7000
"Eliminating our adversaries 940nm at a time"
11/26/2013 9:04:28 AM EDT
[#50]
Vic, have you had any experience with the Inforce WML White/IR?

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