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Posted: 5/7/2021 7:54:03 AM EDT
[#1]
I don't see a Primary Arms GLx-2x in your poll, so voted "something else".
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Posted: 5/7/2021 8:07:45 AM EDT
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I just picked up an MRO for my AR.
What is your intended use? You said back-up carbine. is this meant for CQB type ranges? Or longer? Acog may be a hinderance depending on the power you get and the intended range. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 8:27:36 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/7/2021 8:28:56 AM EDT
[#4]
Just because its a "backup" gun doesn't mean you throw crappy optics on it. Heaven forbid you need it and you cheaped out on parts/optics. If you want a LVPO get a Razor
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Posted: 5/7/2021 8:34:34 AM EDT
[#5]
I'd wait till the 3rd quarter for the new micro prism from PA.
Or their new 1-10 |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 10:51:36 AM EDT
[#6]
Check out the Delta Stryker 1-6. It's basically a Trijicon LPVO with a better reticle/daylight bright.
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Posted: 5/7/2021 11:08:50 AM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Check out the Delta Stryker 1-6. It's basically a Trijicon LPVO with a better reticle/daylight bright. I saw that one and looked it up and I saw the reticle, I’ve gotten used to my segmented circle accupower and VCOG that I prefer that style. My concern on the delta is also durability. I know Trijicon is going to last. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 11:11:54 AM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just picked up an MRO for my AR. What is your intended use? You said back-up carbine. is this meant for CQB type ranges? Or longer? Acog may be a hinderance depending on the power you get and the intended range. I have an MRO on one carbine already, i got a good deal from a friend on his. I would like to see the HD one with the circle dot reticle. It’s a general purpose gun, I could definitely use it at cqb flat range stuff. I’ve also been a fan of having magnification, the allure of the acog and Accupoint is the lack of batteries, lighter weight, and durability. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 12:14:57 PM EDT
[#9]
I vote glasses.
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Posted: 5/7/2021 12:37:16 PM EDT
[#10]
I say be patient and wait for a good deal on a regular Ta31. I bought one NOS with a Larue mount for $525 shipped on the EE.
Be patient and you will find a deal too good to pass on. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 12:51:02 PM EDT
[#11]
Aimpoint PRO, or the PA GLx 2x.
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Posted: 5/7/2021 12:53:28 PM EDT
[#12]
TA31 and offset dot
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Posted: 5/7/2021 2:31:08 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I vote glasses. I have 20/20, and I’ve never had vision problems |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 10:18:17 PM EDT
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Why not try a 3x magnifier for your ACSS Holosun 503? That will clear up the fuzzy reticle due to your astigmatism and essentially give you a daylight bright ultra light 1-3x FFP LPVO with BDC for 5.56 as a bonus.
Also, glasses can help with astigmatism even if your vision is otherwise good. I don’t have a strong enough prescription to require glasses for driving, reading, etc. but got glasses anyway for shooting. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 10:33:40 PM EDT
[#15]
1x prism and 3x magnifier?
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Posted: 5/8/2021 12:08:39 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why not try a 3x magnifier for your ACSS Holosun 503? That will clear up the fuzzy reticle due to your astigmatism and essentially give you a daylight bright ultra light 1-3x FFP LPVO with BDC for 5.56 as a bonus. Also, glasses can help with astigmatism even if your vision is otherwise good. I don’t have a strong enough prescription to require glasses for driving, reading, etc. but got glasses anyway for shooting. I’ve never been big on magnifiers, but that’s mainly because the Eotech one was the only game in town. The 6x magnifier from primary arms is very cheap so maybe that’s an option. |
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Posted: 5/8/2021 12:25:40 PM EDT
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Quoted: It’s a general purpose gun, I could definitely use it at cqb flat range stuff.
Based on my limited experience, I'd say the recommendation for an Aimpoint PRO was a good one for this role. I’ve also been a fan of having magnification, the allure of the acog and Accupoint is the lack of batteries, lighter weight, and durability. The PRO fits in here, too, relative to durability (reliability), lighter weight, and batteries that last so long the need to have them is not of concern. Being a "fan" of magnification and allowing that to drive your selection makes me think the firearm is also for use at the range. Do you really plan to engage bad guys at >200 yards where magnification comes into play for identification and engagement? |
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Posted: 5/8/2021 12:39:09 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve never been big on magnifiers, but that’s mainly because the Eotech one was the only game in town. The 6x magnifier from primary arms is very cheap so maybe that’s an option. EOTech’s magnifier price is a hard pill to swallow for only 3X boost in magnification, same with Aimpoint. However, you’re clearly not opposed to import brands based on your red dot choice. Holosun and Vortex also make inexpensive magnifiers with QD mounts. You can move the magnifier between guns or just remove it to save weight when not needed. |
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Posted: 5/8/2021 4:29:36 PM EDT
[#19]
I have the ta-33 acog on my general purpose rifle - a fixed stock 16" middy. The a2 stock works for me being 6'5" with long arms and eye relief is not an issue with the ta-33. 3x is enough for me and the weight is a lot less than most red dots with a magnifier. Thinking of getting an offset rmr for backup/close range just to try it out. Worst case it can go on a pistol if I don't like it.
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Posted: 5/8/2021 4:41:34 PM EDT
[#20]
If you want a fixed power battle sight, like the ACOG:
Steiner M332 I'll give you $100 for the binos.  Bonus, has a QD mount so you can keep that flip up rear.
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Posted: 5/8/2021 9:32:30 PM EDT
[#21]
The aimpoint PRO is a good optic, It's esentially the COMP M2. I would probably just get another MRO to save on weight and to keep the same CR2032 batteries. As far as being able to identify, or further shots, or make shots on smaller targets yes I do prefer havign some magnification.
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Posted: 5/8/2021 9:37:42 PM EDT
[#22]
Quoted: I’m about to finish a 14.5 pin and weld, I need to slap an optic on it. It’s a back up gun and not one of my main carbines. It is mainly colt and bcm parts, my dilemma is I want an acog since I have always thought they’re a good general purpose optic, especially the acss aurora model. But that is not a cheap optic and I would feel bad buying that optic for one of my guns that isn’t going to get used a whole bunch. So maybe keep it cheap with a holosun of the 503 variety, my acss 503 is nice but I have a bit of astigmatism so red dots are a bit of a slash for me. My Eotech at work is perfectly clear for me but eotech’s have a less than ideal battery life. I lean towards the holosun 503 because of the multi reticle options. I prefer the 503 over the 403 I got for the reticle and the battery compartment too. I’m a fan of Trijicon LPVO’s and have some accupoints, accupowers, and VCOG’s. But those aren’t cheap, the primary arms acss scopes but I don’t remember them being very bright from the ones my buddies had. Vote in the poll and help spend my money. You have multiple VCOGs? If you ever want to make a donation to the Church of CommandoDad... 
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Posted: 5/8/2021 9:44:55 PM EDT
[#23]
I run Aimpoints on all of mine.
I change the battery every 2 years in them, but possibly could go much longer. I can crank up the dot large for close work and turn it down to a fine dot for 100 yard work. I noticed they are still making the pro model. pro runs about $400 but it comes with the mount which usually is a added expense. Check out larue they make great mounts and you can buy a Aimpoint with a Larue mount, they usually throw in some "Swag" with orders. |
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Posted: 5/8/2021 9:46:47 PM EDT
[#24]
Aimpoint T2's.
I also have an NX8 which is nice. Thermal and NODS for night time. T2 is my favorite.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/8/2021 11:26:54 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You have multiple VCOGs? If you ever want to make a donation to the Church of CommandoDad... Maybe not a donation but I’m considering selling my 1-6 VCOG to get a credo. |
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Posted: 5/9/2021 1:57:15 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As far as being able to identify, or further shots, or make shots on smaller targets yes I do prefer havign some magnification. I mentioned those because a 14.5" barrel is not usually associated with longer distance shooting. Still, it's up to you, I was just trying to raise issues,... to get you to consider them before you spend the money.. |
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Posted: 5/9/2021 4:32:00 PM EDT
[#27]
I agree the PRO is a good optic and it’s one I recommend to people. I prefer the MRO for being slightly smaller and the CR2032 batteries over the little drum batteries.
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Posted: 5/9/2021 6:02:21 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I mentioned those because a 14.5" barrel is not usually associated with longer distance shooting. Still, it's up to you, I was just trying to raise issues,... to get you to consider them before you spend the money.. |
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Posted: 5/10/2021 1:12:05 AM EDT
[#29]
ACSS Aurora ACOG with offset RMR is my favorite setup, I have 3
 I probably wouldn't run an ACOG without a dot for close range though, if only one optic maybe a TR24 or Kahles if you have the bones. |
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Posted: 5/10/2021 7:55:38 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ACSS Aurora ACOG with offset RMR is my favorite setup, I have 3 I probably wouldn't run an ACOG without a dot for close range though, if only one optic maybe a TR24 or Kahles if you have the bones. I have an extra TR24 lying around right now, it’s the German 4 crosshair. It was my first LPVO. It worked well in my first 3gun match and I’ve used it hog and varmint hunting. It may wear that in the interim. The ACOG has always been an optic I wanted to own and the new aurora reticle looks awesome even though I always liked the horseshoe dot reticle too. Do you run the RMR at 45 or piggy backed? |
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Posted: 5/10/2021 12:28:41 PM EDT
[#31]
I use the Arisaka set at 35 degree offset. With an offset RMR the center of the dot lines up to the center height of the ACOG when your rotate.
45 degrees is too much IMO. Lots of people like the piggyback, it's personal preference. If you're running around with passive heads up aiming you might like the piggyback better, I prefer the offset so my height over bore POA POI is the same for both optics. I do most of my shooting from 100-400 meters and occasional snap shots up close with the dot, with practice works just as well as a primary red dot up top (for me.) I wouldn't want the offset setup if I mostly did shooting close up and running around barriers and transitioning targets quickly, definitely an Aimpoint or Eotech\1x LPVO for that. The rotation of your wrist or chicken wing of your arm will get tiresome having to make lots of shots in a row rotated. I've tried all the ACOG reticles, including the standard horseshoe and the ACSS horseshoe, both for me cover up too much of the target's general area when making precise shots. I like to clearly see all around what I'm aiming at, especially small stuff. The ACSS horseshoe is much smaller than the standard one, the inside of the ring feels fairly cramped. If you're looking for more speed on silhouettes you might like the horseshoe better, shooting cans at 150 go chevron. |
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Posted: 5/10/2021 1:23:54 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd wait till the 3rd quarter for the new micro prism from PA. Or their new 1-10 Anyone have any info on this^ would love a G series w/griffin recital and 34mm tube. |
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Posted: 5/10/2021 1:50:02 PM EDT
[#33]
Parallax test results on common/popular red dots. Food for thought in making a choice.
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Posted: 5/10/2021 2:19:08 PM EDT
[#34]
Standing by for the obligatory Eotech hate.
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Posted: 5/10/2021 5:53:24 PM EDT
[#35]
Of the 14.5"s that have have, one has a TA31RCOM4 and the another has a T2.
I prefer the ACOG. |
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Posted: 5/12/2021 5:55:30 PM EDT
[#36]
I have two T2 knock offs with the holosun 403 and 503 but honestly for dots I prefer the square window of an Eotech. The t2 style always felt tube like to me.
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Posted: 5/15/2021 12:47:30 AM EDT
[#37]
I’m surprised the majority of the votes are acogt
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Posted: 5/15/2021 9:52:47 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm surprised the majority of the votes are acogt |
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Posted: 5/15/2021 10:15:05 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m surprised the majority of the votes are acogt The ACOG is still a great optic, and your list ranges wildly in price and quality. |
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Posted: 5/18/2021 12:09:48 AM EDT
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It varies because I have a large collection as it is and I’m a mild optic snob with most of my guns having Trijicon LPVO’s or a MRO/eotech. So part of me says keep a good optic on it, the other part says it’s a backup backup gun throw a cheap dot on it. I might get a holosun as a place holder until I save up for an aurora acog, they’re also back ordered.
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