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Posted: 9/1/2021 10:19:15 PM EDT
Man, these China sights are getting damn enticing these days. Why can’t anyone in the US make stuff like this?
https://gatdaily.com/holosuns-latest-optic-the-aems/ NEW Holosun AEMS Reflex Red Dot Sight |
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I love the higher tier holosun products. I often choose them over American competition because of the features. I'll get my hands on one of these eventually I'd imagine. I'd like to know if it has it's own unique mounting footprint though, the mounts from holosun I've never been a fan of from a durability standpoint. Also I've never been a fan of the battery tray because of the small screws required to keep track of. Less of a problem with these long battery life optics but, still. If they could put some BDC holds as a reticle options like Sig, I'd be all over it for use with a my 5x magnifier.
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I can't F'ing wait. I was going to put one of my spare 509T's on a riser mount for a compact optic for an SBR, but I think this will fit the bill nicely.
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Quoted:If they could put some BDC holds as a reticle options like Sig, I'd be all over it for use with a my 5x magnifier. View Quote Holosun has made an ACSS version of one of their older sights for Primary Arms. https://www.primaryarms.com/holosun-paralow-hs503g-red-dot-sight-acss-reticle |
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Quoted: Holosun has made an ACSS version of one of their older sights for Primary Arms. https://www.primaryarms.com/holosun-paralow-hs503g-red-dot-sight-acss-reticle View Quote |
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Holosun AEMS |
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View Quote Looks cool and I'm a big holosun fan, but I'm having a hard time seeing what someone would get this at $400 when all their circle dots that share the T2 footprint are like $200. Hopefully the price comes down in the future. |
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Quoted: Looks cool and I'm a big holosun fan, but I'm having a hard time seeing what someone would get this at $400 when all their circle dots that share the T2 footprint are like $200. Hopefully the price comes down in the future. View Quote |
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Need some info on parallax and use under NODs.
I don't like that it's made in China. I don't really like the battery tray. I don't like the Fisher-Price logo on the side. The factory mount is only mildly inconvenient, I would just put it on a Unity or Vortex/ADM QD riser anyway. But damn, can't deny this is looking like a strong contender that could make some other good options obsolescent. We will see. |
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I read they will eventually release a low mount for these, I'm all over two of them for my PCC's at that point. Hopefully the aftermarket will produce some other mount options down the road.
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Looks like a nifty optic. I bet it’ll be a good value for what you pay. Their higher end stuff really hits above its weight.
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Quoted: All their 200 dollar optics don't share the 7075 bodies, or their titanium options, the solar options, or submersion ratings that their $400 optics do, such as the 515 series. They aren't built as well and the non solar models have less features so, there is a reason for the price difference over something like 503, even the 503 solar models. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Looks cool and I'm a big holosun fan, but I'm having a hard time seeing what someone would get this at $400 when all their circle dots that share the T2 footprint are like $200. Hopefully the price comes down in the future. Prices may come down after some time, especially if you can get them below map. You can pick up a 515GM for maybe $225-250. These are the ones with 7075 aluminum/IPX8 water proofing. I was also surprised that the QD Mounts on these are pretty decent. |
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@olds442tyguy
@Dr_Nimslow Seems we have more in common than just 716I's. I'm aboard this train with no regrets. Aaron Cowan did a video in 2019 on the HE508T's and I bought two after with no regrets. Their still running on the first battery with no issues. Looking at a 509 too because their so damn cheap but this optic is a definite to the collection. |
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Quoted: @olds442tyguy @Dr_Nimslow Seems we have more in common than just 716I's. I'm aboard this train with no regrets. Aaron Cowan did a video in 2019 on the HE508T's and I bought two after with no regrets. Their still running on the first battery with no issues. Looking at a 509 too because their so damn cheap but this optic is a definite to the collection. View Quote It’s unfortunate they’re Chinese but Holosun seems to be second only to Aimpoint when it comes to red dots. |
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Give credit where it's due, I got a boner for these. Love all my Holosuns and I got ~ 10 of them.
If American companies keep turning out turds like MROs, they're screwed. |
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Quoted:Why can’t anyone in the US make stuff like this? View Quote They can but not at the same price point. Keep in mind china isn't burdoned by all of the environmental, safety and labor regulations that we are. |
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I have two Holosuns one 403 which I don’t like much because it’s the same thing as the sig Romeo. Same damn red dot. I have a 510C that I love. I’m looking forward to this new red dot. As long as they stick to the price point he stated in the video I’m in.
Eotech, Aim etcetera need to up their game. |
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Quoted: They can but not at the same price point. Keep in mind china isn't burdoned by all of the environmental, safety and labor regulations that we are. View Quote I think Aimpoint has proven people are willing to pay to play. EOTech and MRO’s are still popular despite being outperformed by a large number of Chinese options. I’d gladly pay $6-800 for something like the AEMS that was US made. Problem is it’s just not there with reliability in US made stuff. So we’re stuck giving money to the snotty socialists that own Aimpoint, or the crazy commies than make Holosun. |
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Quoted: Man, these China sights are getting damn enticing these days. Why can’t anyone in the US make stuff like this? https://gatdaily.com/holosuns-latest-optic-the-aems/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpsHR3P-Xww View Quote This would be perfect for my .44 Henry Big Boy X if it has NV settings. It does! |
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Looks good and looking at the TFBTV footage and other reviews a normal full co-witness mount should come available. Too bad it will cost extra. However nowhere is mentioned if it has the same issues like the 510c and other holosuns I looked through. Is the glass tinted? As nothing is worse than not being able to see the target through the glass as the tint takes too much light and contrast away... Which is why I am still on an EOtech...
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Quoted: Looks good and looking at the TFBTV footage and other reviews a normal full co-witness mount should come available. Too bad it will cost extra. However nowhere is mentioned if it has the same issues like the 510c and other holosuns I looked through. Is the glass tinted? As nothing is worse than not being able to see the target through the glass as the tint takes too much light and contrast away... Which is why I am still on an EOtech... View Quote Hope you never discover aimponts |
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Quoted: Hope you never discover aimponts View Quote Do you mean aimpoints have an even worse tint? Or just some aimpoint fanboyism? Either way aimpoints are not an option for me. Dots and my eyes don't work together well. Measured it with a timer and the circle dot has a measurable and significant advantage for reticle and target alignment in my case. Dots are so bad for me I am even faster with irons. Still does not answer if this new holosun optic has the same tinting problem as the current/older ones. |
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Still does not answer if this new holosun optic has the same tinting problem as the current/older ones. View Quote I’d like to know this as well. Just picked up a second 503 and a new 508T GR X2. Both are fantastic optics. I really wanted to like the 509T, but the tint and fisheye were horribly distracting. If the AEMS comes down in price a little bit and someone introduces a low mount for it, it would be a great optic for my Scorpion. For right now, the 503 is king on that front. |
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I went ahead and preordered one of these. It will probably end up on one of my pcc’s.
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Quoted: @olds442tyguy @Dr_Nimslow Seems we have more in common than just 716I's. I'm aboard this train with no regrets. Aaron Cowan did a video in 2019 on the HE508T's and I bought two after with no regrets. Their still running on the first battery with no issues. Looking at a 509 too because their so damn cheap but this optic is a definite to the collection. View Quote I bought a 509T after having freezing fog/sleet on the backside of one of my SRO's. I'm not buying anyone's open reflex sights anymore. With the Aimpoint Acro sucking such balls, the 509T is pretty much in a class of it's own, and if they offered it in the ACSS Vulcan reticle it would be the perfect PDW/PCC sight. |
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Quoted: They can but not at the same price point. Keep in mind china isn't burdoned by all of the environmental, safety and labor regulations that we are. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted:Why can’t anyone in the US make stuff like this? They can but not at the same price point. Keep in mind china isn't burdoned by all of the environmental, safety and labor regulations that we are. The truth is that it comes down to Patents. Trijicon can't really go after the solar, multi-reticle MRDS market after suing Holosun over petty shit like button location/placement on the 407. Holosun would be on them like white on rice pretty much no matter where they put the solar panel, and would bend them over hard for the multi reticle feature. All Trijicon can hope to do for the moment is to come out with a really good enclosed battery powered sight that has better reticle crispness like Holosun has for people with Astigmatism. |
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Quoted: I bought a 509T after having freezing fog/sleet on the backside of one of my SRO's. I'm not buying anyone's open reflex sights anymore. With the Aimpoint Acro sucking such balls, the 509T is pretty much in a class of it's own, and if they offered it in the ACSS Vulcan reticle it would be the perfect PDW/PCC sight. View Quote Your right. I'd they dropped one on the market with the ACSS Vulcan it would be awesome. Hopefully they read this! |
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LGS has them in. Will be checking and probably buying it Friday.
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I like and have owned a few holosuns. This one is like a 512c with lower 1/3rd and some added protection for the glass. According to holosun it's only 3.9oz.
Don't like battery trays and especially ones with fasteners. Don't like factory mounts. And there's only so much I'm willing to pay for a chinese optic. Probably a pass for me. |
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Quoted: Your right. I'd they dropped one on the market with the ACSS Vulcan it would be awesome. Hopefully they read this! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I bought a 509T after having freezing fog/sleet on the backside of one of my SRO's. I'm not buying anyone's open reflex sights anymore. With the Aimpoint Acro sucking such balls, the 509T is pretty much in a class of it's own, and if they offered it in the ACSS Vulcan reticle it would be the perfect PDW/PCC sight. Your right. I'd they dropped one on the market with the ACSS Vulcan it would be awesome. Hopefully they read this! I've asked them, you should too. |
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Quoted: The truth is that it comes down to Patents. Trijicon can't really go after the solar, multi-reticle MRDS market after suing Holosun over petty shit like button location/placement on the 407. Holosun would be on them like white on rice pretty much no matter where they put the solar panel, and would bend them over hard for the multi reticle feature. All Trijicon can hope to do for the moment is to come out with a really good enclosed battery powered sight that has better reticle crispness like Holosun has for people with Astigmatism. View Quote 99.9% of the time, when people talk about patents on ARFCOM, they have no idea what they are talking about. |
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I have a 509t on a ADM riser (sbr). The tint doesn’t bug me but the fish eye is a bit of a concern. The fish eye effect is greater the farther optic is from eye, so more on pistol, less on rifle.
Just got the AEMS today, noticeably less tint as well as little to no fish eye effect. I will probably exchange the 509 to the 509v2 once Holosun has them in stock. Then get jagerwerks to mill a G19 for it. |
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Quoted: I got my AEMS in yesterday and just did a rough parallax test for home defense distances using an M4 zero target taped up in my garage and the optic resting at random intervals determined by where I could put it down in a stable position. I compared it against an undoubted 509T I had handy. Pictures were also taken to show the difference in tint. The AEMS without lens protectors shows minor improvement in image quality but I didn’t capture that. The AEMS has virtually no edge distortion compared to the significant fish bowling at the upper 1/3 of the 509T. I attempted to capture the difference in edge distortion, but my phone couldn’t manually focus and I couldn’t keep a target focus long enough while holding the optics at arms length. At 6 ft and also 14 ft, the AEMS seemed to have a possible shift of about 0.65” while the 509T could shift about 0.34”. At 17-18 ft, it was 0.5” and 0.25” respectively. It would be worth checking parallax at 25/50/100/200, but I doubt I’ll have time to test it at my range. *no idea why the text went red. 14 ft and the same as I could distinguish when checked at 6ft https://i.ibb.co/MsX7bnw/B74-F5563-165-C-43-F8-8-F3-F-649-ED7-D7-C833.jpg 17-18 ft measurements https://i.ibb.co/5cvg3Jw/5-AB5626-A-9196-48-F3-A4-A4-159-CAA695-C6-F.jpg Side-by-side in front of white monitor https://i.ibb.co/vJXjCdG/C4933-D07-E1-C1-44-A7-8182-A7-D2-E40-F12-EA.jpg Side-by-side again https://i.ibb.co/9v6Dj43/EA3-BCEAD-E22-B-4661-BF1-D-BE184-DF24-D9-D.jpg AEMS https://i.ibb.co/zXvq0ht/1-FD73-BCF-6-A09-4-EE3-B5-A3-ECB2-C6-E68089.jpg 509T https://i.ibb.co/7SzkmtW/34208-C2-C-5-D51-4518-BC90-D441-A165-EA3-B.jpg larger resolution images: https://imgur.com/a/wDeBLXJ View Quote Interesting. Thanks for the photos. |
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Quoted: Interesting. Thanks for the photos. View Quote Sure thing. Looking through it at 50-200 yard objects in my neighborhood, I don’t think it will have much parallax error in that distance range, but I obviously can’t say for certain without testing. From a qualified standpoint rather than quantified, I do like the glass quality on it. Aside from some seemingly very very slight magnification, I don’t see distortion and the glass is clear. But the lens covers are stupid. Just from having it in my drawer and handling it for the testing above, I already have scratches on the front lens cover. Maybe I can use some acrylic crystal polish, that I use on watches, to keep it scratch free. But I have a feeling I’m just going to remove them and keep them off. I’ll take my chances with unlikely chips/cracks rather than constantly having to buff out scratches to keep the view clear. |
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Quoted: 99.9% of the time, when people talk about patents on ARFCOM, they have no idea what they are talking about. View Quote I'd like to be wrong. I live about 5 miles from Trijicon's Wixom, MI headquarters and know a few of their employees. I'm a loyal customer. But I'm also not dancing around the fact that they created a market and then didn't innovate, handing it over to other companies that are willing to make a product that people want and are worth having. There really isn't a lot of rocket science in a reflex sight, they gave been made since the 40's at least... All it takes is some give-a-shit in the engineering and manufacturing process to make a decent unit. Trijicon rested on their laurels a little too long IMO and others leapfrogged them a bit. Trijicon will have a strong offering when their enclosed units come to market, no doubt, but they will have to deal with patent issues if they want to give people the product they want to buy. |
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Quoted: I got my AEMS in yesterday and just did a rough parallax test for home defense distances using an M4 zero target taped up in my garage and the optic resting at random intervals determined by where I could put it down in a stable position.... View Quote Good shit, I appreciate you taking the time to share that. |
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Quoted: I got my AEMS in yesterday and just did a rough parallax test for home defense distances using an M4 zero target taped up in my garage and the optic resting at random intervals determined by where I could put it down in a stable position. I compared it against an unmounted 509T I had handy. Pictures were also taken to show the difference in tint. The AEMS without lens protectors shows minor improvement in image quality but I didn't capture that. The AEMS has virtually no edge distortion compared to the significant fish bowling at the upper 1/3 of the 509T. I attempted to capture the difference in edge distortion, but my phone couldn't manually focus and I couldn't keep a target focus long enough while holding the optics at arms length. At 6 ft and also 14 ft, the AEMS seemed to have a possible shift of about 0.65" while the 509T could shift about 0.34". At 17-18 ft, it was 0.5" and 0.25" respectively. It would be worth checking parallax at 25/50/100/200, but I doubt I'll have time to test it at my range. *no idea why the text went red. 14 ft and the same as I could distinguish when checked at 6ft https://i.ibb.co/MsX7bnw/B74-F5563-165-C-43-F8-8-F3-F-649-ED7-D7-C833.jpg 17-18 ft measurements https://i.ibb.co/5cvg3Jw/5-AB5626-A-9196-48-F3-A4-A4-159-CAA695-C6-F.jpg Side-by-side in front of white monitor https://i.ibb.co/vJXjCdG/C4933-D07-E1-C1-44-A7-8182-A7-D2-E40-F12-EA.jpg Side-by-side again https://i.ibb.co/9v6Dj43/EA3-BCEAD-E22-B-4661-BF1-D-BE184-DF24-D9-D.jpg AEMS https://i.ibb.co/zXvq0ht/1-FD73-BCF-6-A09-4-EE3-B5-A3-ECB2-C6-E68089.jpg 509T https://i.ibb.co/7SzkmtW/34208-C2-C-5-D51-4518-BC90-D441-A165-EA3-B.jpg larger resolution images: https://imgur.com/a/wDeBLXJ View Quote As long as it's respectably parallax free, or at least has limited parallax, it would be an excellent alternative to a Trijicon MRO in that size envelope and forged housing. One tab I have open has them for like $350, but I've been dragging my feet so far. |
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We got 2 samples in this week.. I am not impressed, mount is bad only has 1 recoil lug and will shift side to side when fulley tightend down on a rail, hate the battery compartment tiny screws..HE530G series Is a much better optic and fits the T2 mounts..
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I ordered one, intending to use it on my APC9, it should be here today. Worst case I'll throw it on the kids dedicated .22 AR.
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Quoted: We got 2 samples in this week.. I am not impressed, mount is bad only has 1 recoil lug and will shift side to side when fulley tightend down on a rail, hate the battery compartment tiny screws..HE530G series Is a much better optic and fits the T2 mounts.. View Quote That’s odd. What torque amount did you use? Mine torqued to 20 in/lbs (which does nicely match up with their ratcheting torque limiter on mine) keeps it very secure front to back and side to side. I mean, I haven’t smacked it with a rubber mallet or anything, but I can’t get it to budge grabbing, pulling, and twisting it. That sucks if you got two duds. That said, the current mount selection is a downside. Fortunately, Reptilia already has one about to be released. I’m just waiting on a low profile mount to put this on my Flux Raider, but I don’t know how long I’ll have to wait. Regarding the battery compartment screws, I guess I’m just used to them because they use a similar tray system for all their 507v2s and the 509t. It’s not a big deal for me even if it’s mounted on a carbine, as the battery is going to be replaced at most once a year and should be good for 2-5 years at least. It uses a normal torx head bit that can be obtained at any hardware or auto parts store if you were in dire need. But I do understand the battery tray is a personal preference thing. |
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Quoted: We got 2 samples in this week.. I am not impressed, mount is bad only has 1 recoil lug and will shift side to side when fulley tightend down on a rail, hate the battery compartment tiny screws..HE530G series Is a much better optic and fits the T2 mounts.. View Quote I can't see that happening unless you got an OOS rail |
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Quoted: We got 2 samples in this week.. I am not impressed, mount is bad only has 1 recoil lug and will shift side to side when fulley tightend down on a rail, hate the battery compartment tiny screws..HE530G series Is a much better optic and fits the T2 mounts.. View Quote As an aside, I’ve been really liking the 530. |
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Mine showed up today. I tried it on my MPX and APC9. It mounts securely to the rails on both. I like the size, the glass is clear, the larger window is awesome. Sadly, like every other LED red dot I've used my astigmatism prevents me from seeing a "dot", this one is a starburst, but it should work at PCC effective distances.
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I got mine in and mounted it last night… the reticle is tilted a few degrees counter clockwise. Now I have to decide if it’s worth my trouble to send it back or just deal with it.
Pros: 7075 Aluminum Shake awake Backup solar power Good battery life (50k with dot only, 20k with circle dot) Dot and circle/dot reticle choices all in one Almost no tint when viewing through Cons: Auto brightness (will get you killed indoors, turn it off). Ridges on the left and right side are distracting to the eye ( I shoot both eyes open, smooth sides would have been ideal). Slight fish bowling of the lens in the upper third Range and elevation adjustments didn’t feel positive The mount is fine, but like others have said, I want an aftermarket from Scalarworks. I really like the ratchet thumb screw system of their mounts and not needing to carry a tool in the range bag or on the rifle to swap between guns. The flip covers do nothing for me, but it is nice to know they come off, or if you choose to keep them on, won’t accidentally fall off from a drop or under recoil. For $400 (I got mine for $377 shipped) it’s competing against the Eotech 512 and the Trijicon MRO, both of which don’t have as many features combined. |
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