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Posted: 6/5/2026 5:30:44 PM EDT
New device from Hoffman Tactical - replaces the disconnector. Introducing the Trigger Kicker |
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OK, and? I get that it is impressive he was able to make another FRT/SS/Active Reset design completely different than what anyone (including himself) has done before, but it's a two position, always on type system. It's a step backwards, very much back to being a range toy with only limited applications in an automatic rifle or possibly belt-fed role. I also don't see how this system lends itself to a three position mode down the line. It's neat and all, especially for $43, I just don't get why everyone is going all teary eyes over this. |
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Originally Posted By Alpha-17: OK, and? I get that it is impressive he was able to make another FRT/SS/Active Reset design completely different than what anyone (including himself) has done before, but it's a two position, always on type system. It's a step backwards, very much back to being a range toy with only limited applications in an automatic rifle or possibly belt-fed role. I also don't see how this system lends itself to a three position mode down the line. It's neat and all, especially for $43, I just don't get why everyone is going all teary eyes over this. 16 hours ago you didn't know this device existed, and you've already decided it can't lend itself to a three position model? Maybe give the kid a minute to do his work. |
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Originally Posted By Alpha-17: OK, and? I get that it is impressive he was able to make another FRT/SS/Active Reset design completely different than what anyone (including himself) has done before, but it's a two position, always on type system. It's a step backwards, very much back to being a range toy with only limited applications in an automatic rifle or possibly belt-fed role. I also don't see how this system lends itself to a three position mode down the line. It's neat and all, especially for $43, I just don't get why everyone is going all teary eyes over this. Plus no threat of stopping him over patent BS, and the current sales just gave him a million dollars for his lawsuit fight. His main market was always the two pos super safety, a market RB shut down with the lawsuits. His new super safety isn't a push button and uses a regular selector. it's cheaper and easy to produce. If his product works he just made entry level FRTs cheap, dirt cheap. |
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Originally Posted By FreefallRet: It replaces the push button type two pos super safety and its $43. Plus no threat of stopping him over patent BS, and the current sales just gave him a million dollars for his lawsuit fight. His main market was always the two pos super safety, a market RB shut down with the lawsuits. His new super safety isn't a push button and uses a regular selector. it's cheaper and easy to produce. If his product works he just made entry level FRTs cheap, dirt cheap. Um…. Most Super Safeties are 3 position. But I would not be at all surprised if Hoffman adapted a safety lever to make it 3 position. Never bet against this guy. |
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Originally Posted By ELittlefield: 16 hours ago you didn't know this device existed, and you've already decided it can't lend itself to a three position model? Maybe give the kid a minute to do his work. Jeez people, you're acting like cult members and I just asked why the Kool-Aid has a weird taste to it. Yes, on first glance, it doesn't seem to lend itself to a 3 position model. I'm not a designer though, which is why I'm asking. I'm sure he could figure out a way to do it, but again, why is everybody acting like this is some wonderful gift from the gods when it is a major step backwards from what most folks already have? It only seems revolutionary if you assume the original super safety is going to end up being owned by RB, and this is the fallback measure. I thought the community had decided that RB was grasping at straws? And if you assume that the courts will corrupt justice as bad as they usually do, and award ownership of the design to Rare Breed, why the hell can't they do the same with this? Doesn't this still fall within the entire FRT concept which RB claims is theirs? If this is just "oh, neat" and only $43 so people can just buy them cheap and shove them in their PSA specials left and right, cool. More power to them. But if so, not something I'm interested in. Again, that's why I'm asking. |
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Originally Posted By TNC: Will that run in a 9mm PCC? I have one that's finicky about triggers but it really likes a GI hammer with a tail so that should work fine with this. In my limited experience with a 9mm PCC, timing is REALLY critical. Even MORE critical than in a 5.56 AR. I believe that is why the only FRT trigger I have had success with was the Partisan (now Triggered) Disrupter. However, this new Hoffman device may work better than others I have tried, and when I get my Trigger Kicker, I intend to try it out in a 9mm blowback. If I understand it correctly, timing should be more precise by this device. Of course, bolt bounce will still be critical in any blowback action. I guess we'll see... |
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Originally Posted By Alpha-17: Jeez people, you're acting like cult members and I just asked why the Kool-Aid has a weird taste to it. Yes, on first glance, it doesn't seem to lend itself to a 3 position model. I'm not a designer though, which is why I'm asking. I'm sure he could figure out a way to do it, but again, why is everybody acting like this is some wonderful gift from the gods when it is a major step backwards from what most folks already have? It only seems revolutionary if you assume the original super safety is going to end up being owned by RB, and this is the fallback measure. I thought the community had decided that RB was grasping at straws? And if you assume that the courts will corrupt justice as bad as they usually do, and award ownership of the design to Rare Breed, why the hell can't they do the same with this? Doesn't this still fall within the entire FRT concept which RB claims is theirs? If this is just "oh, neat" and only $43 so people can just buy them cheap and shove them in their PSA specials left and right, cool. More power to them. But if so, not something I'm interested in. Again, that's why I'm asking. I look at this the same as I do the OG AZ Regulator; the modern day analogue to a lightning link, only more durable. It's not as versatile as the ARC, Disruptor, FRT15L3/C3, etc, which I regard as the modern DIAS, but it's still a good option. Nothing meaningful costs just $43 in 2026. This is a no-brainer, especially when that $ goes to someone who is being legally attacked by a certain entity. Also, the geometry looks good for something I've been messing with for a while so maybe this will wind up being the hilariously cheap fix 
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Originally Posted By Alpha-17: Jeez people, you're acting like cult members and I just asked why the Kool-Aid has a weird taste to it. Yes, on first glance, it doesn't seem to lend itself to a 3 position model. I'm not a designer though, which is why I'm asking. I'm sure he could figure out a way to do it, but again, why is everybody acting like this is some wonderful gift from the gods when it is a major step backwards from what most folks already have? It only seems revolutionary if you assume the original super safety is going to end up being owned by RB, and this is the fallback measure. I thought the community had decided that RB was grasping at straws? And if you assume that the courts will corrupt justice as bad as they usually do, and award ownership of the design to Rare Breed, why the hell can't they do the same with this? Doesn't this still fall within the entire FRT concept which RB claims is theirs? If this is just "oh, neat" and only $43 so people can just buy them cheap and shove them in their PSA specials left and right, cool. More power to them. But if so, not something I'm interested in. Again, that's why I'm asking. I'll probably purchase some of these to support Hoffman in his legal battle against rare breed. |
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Originally Posted By Alpha-17: Jeez people, you're acting like cult members and I just asked why the Kool-Aid has a weird taste to it. Yes, on first glance, it doesn't seem to lend itself to a 3 position model. I'm not a designer though, which is why I'm asking. I'm sure he could figure out a way to do it, but again, why is everybody acting like this is some wonderful gift from the gods when it is a major step backwards from what most folks already have? It only seems revolutionary if you assume the original super safety is going to end up being owned by RB, and this is the fallback measure. I thought the community had decided that RB was grasping at straws? And if you assume that the courts will corrupt justice as bad as they usually do, and award ownership of the design to Rare Breed, why the hell can't they do the same with this? Doesn't this still fall within the entire FRT concept which RB claims is theirs? If this is just "oh, neat" and only $43 so people can just buy them cheap and shove them in their PSA specials left and right, cool. More power to them. But if so, not something I'm interested in. Again, that's why I'm asking. If nothing else, I'm happy to give a $43 donation to a man who has innovated the AR15 and other platforms in a new and exciting (legal) way.. |
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Originally Posted By fordkicksass: I look at this the same as I do the OG AZ Regulator; the modern day analogue to a lightning link, only more durable. It's not as versatile as the ARC, Disruptor, FRT15L3/C3, etc, which I regard as the modern DIAS, but it's still a good option. Nothing meaningful costs just $43 in 2026. This is a no-brainer, especially when that $ goes to someone who is being legally attacked by a certain entity. Also, the geometry looks good for something I've been messing with for a while so maybe this will wind up being the hilariously cheap fix Thanks for the explanation. Never had any interest in a lightning link, which would explain my lack of interest here. Originally Posted By jaqufrost: I think we'll see a three position version pretty soon. I'll probably purchase some of these to support Hoffman in his legal battle against rare breed. Wouldn't a three position, by necessity,be a lot more complex and thus more expensive than this cut bit of metal? That's where I'm coming from. And because the actual mechanism is completely separate from the selector, it likely will be more complicated than existing designs. Throwing money at him to support his legal battle is more than reasonable, but doesn't really make sense to me in regards to the excitement over the product itself. Originally Posted By Mike_Golf: Obviously you don't see any value in it, and that's fine. If nothing else, I'm happy to give a $43 donation to a man who has innovated the AR15 and other platforms in a new and exciting (legal) way.. Yeah, I guess it just boils down to different interests. Again, that's why I was asking. To each their own. I think I'd rather buy a hat or sticker from him and let him over charge for it as a donation. |
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On his website, he stated that he is working on a 3 position. For something as simple as the Kicker is, I will get 4 or 5 of them just to have. I have a Super Safety in my 9mm AR. Works great with the heavy Slash buffer. No need for a sliding weight buffer. I have 2 of the Az Regulator drop ins. One a 2 position and the other a 3 position. They work fantastic also. Really want to lay hands on this new design and check it out. Especially a 3 position. |
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Originally Posted By merick: Not to be a Debbie downer but I am moderately concerned by the absence/deletion of the disconnector. Asides from sucking all the fun out of life, discos are also there to prevent a runaway condition if the primary sear fails. well...safety first! always keep muzzle pointed in safe direction. ( until mag is empty ) |
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Originally Posted By merick: Not to be a Debbie downer but I am moderately concerned by the absence/deletion of the disconnector. Asides from sucking all the fun out of life, discos are also there to prevent a runaway condition if the primary sear fails. With all the bolt bounce and hammer follow issues with FRTs, it will probably stop dead anyway. |
| I've been trying to think through something like this in an M16A2 trigger with 1 regular disconnector and one of the trigger kickers. No 3 round cam, just a spacer.. Cant wrap my thoughts around how the selector would look/work but I think theres a way perhaps to get 3 pos with a dual disconnector like the A2 had..maybe. |
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Originally Posted By Heartbreak3r: With all the bolt bounce and hammer follow issues with FRTs, it will probably stop dead anyway. Originally Posted By Heartbreak3r: Originally Posted By merick: Not to be a Debbie downer but I am moderately concerned by the absence/deletion of the disconnector. Asides from sucking all the fun out of life, discos are also there to prevent a runaway condition if the primary sear fails. With all the bolt bounce and hammer follow issues with FRTs, it will probably stop dead anyway. LOL oh honey. |
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Originally Posted By Heartbreak3r: With all the bolt bounce and hammer follow issues with FRTs, it will probably stop dead anyway. I disagree. Most of the problems I'm seeing/hearing about are caused by simply not reading what is explicitly stated as required to make the device functional (H2 or H3 buffer in most circumstances.). You can't stop the voluntarily uninformed from causing problems with ANY type of product. Barring a minority of situations, most issues can be tuned out with correct parts selection or even just generically throwing an H3 buffer (with reciprocating tungsten weights for crying out loud) at the problem as long as you aren't using underpowered ammunition. Based on the fact that I can now hear full/faux auto out in the country almost every weekend, I'd say they generally work just fine. I have not yet been able to lay hands on the Trigger Kicker, so I have no idea how well that will work. That said, the guy has a solid track record so my bet is on him succeeding here. |
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Originally Posted By gunner76: Not really interested in a two position but maybe a guy could build a non belt fed LMG Type rifle. Put the heaviest profile barrel you can get, bi-pod, RDS, and feed it strictly with drum mags. This is just shy of 14 pounds, with my RC2 and a D60 drum. It has a V2 ARC-Fire, with a 45 degree throw to semi and another 45 to FRT mode.  " />
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Originally Posted By gunner76: Not really interested in a two position but maybe a guy could build a non belt fed LMG Type rifle. Put the heaviest profile barrel you can get, bi-pod, RDS, and feed it strictly with drum mags.  Attached File |
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Originally Posted By 03RN: Originally Posted By gunner76: Not really interested in a two position but maybe a guy could build a non belt fed LMG Type rifle. Put the heaviest profile barrel you can get, bi-pod, RDS, and feed it strictly with drum mags. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/1000004537_jpg-3776915.JPG Oh a short barrel? So you don't care about velocity and armor penetration? Your funeral. 
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Originally Posted By ELittlefield: Oh a short barrel? So you don't care about velocity and armor penetration? Your funeral. Originally Posted By ELittlefield: Originally Posted By 03RN: Originally Posted By gunner76: Not really interested in a two position but maybe a guy could build a non belt fed LMG Type rifle. Put the heaviest profile barrel you can get, bi-pod, RDS, and feed it strictly with drum mags. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/1000004537_jpg-3776915.JPG Oh a short barrel? So you don't care about velocity and armor penetration? Your funeral. Its 16" |
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Originally Posted By 03RN: Its 16" Originally Posted By 03RN: Originally Posted By ELittlefield: Originally Posted By 03RN: Originally Posted By gunner76: Not really interested in a two position but maybe a guy could build a non belt fed LMG Type rifle. Put the heaviest profile barrel you can get, bi-pod, RDS, and feed it strictly with drum mags. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/1000004537_jpg-3776915.JPG Oh a short barrel? So you don't care about velocity and armor penetration? Your funeral. Its 16" Like I said, your funeral. Truth be told, I'm mulling the idea of a micro SAW. 10" 9mm barrel, bipod, fed by 50 round Glock drums... you could get all the suppression you need for half the cost per round. |
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Originally Posted By Wangstang: Has Hoffman released any info on the potential pin wear from the disco moving back and forth, both impact and rotational? How about elongation of pin holes in the lowers? The only thing I have seen him say is that they are heat treated. He was in a YouTube video with CRS when he said it. |
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Well, I got mine today, installed it, and hit the range. First magazine, BRRRT - 30 rounds, no problems! I fired a total of 300 rounds, all trouble free. I did start out with an H3 buffer, because I figured it would probably need it. Almost boringly reliable... Next, I plan to pull the Trigger Kicker out and check for any wear. Will report back. |
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