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12/11/2019 8:57:59 PM EDT
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12/11/2019 10:39:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: M-4matus][Edited] [#2]
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Originally Posted By Spatten:
LMT 10.5 w/enhanced BCG
G S3G, Super 42 H2, SCH
Saker with Q Plan B
Cloud Owl incoming
https://i.imgur.com/aGAQiabl.jpg

Back-up
Noveske 11.5
Rugged Razor
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@Spatten
*edit, hey bud your pics are gone, can not view.  Those were really nice rifles.  Please repost if you can.
Next build, 80% parts acquired.
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12/12/2019 10:17:54 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 83rdrecon:
Thanks!  Not sure on the weight, will have to get a battery in the scale and get back to you.  Its not a lot though even with the loaded 40rd mag and scout light on it.

@M-4matus - put battery in the scale.  Pretty sure it's not accurate though.  says loaded with 40rd mag 8lbs.   Unloaded said 6.6lbs  
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Originally Posted By 83rdrecon:
Originally Posted By M-4matus:
Originally Posted By 83rdrecon:
I have several "Go to" weapons, but mostly the 10.5" AR pistols are what are in the front of the safe along with the shotguns.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/173090/IMG_1444_jpg-1191436.JPG
The FDE pistol in the pic is for my son.  Picture was before I finished it.  Top one same as pic above, just added new FH.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/173090/58302393102__136A490A-3730-4434-8742-A6860D9BFF81_JPG-1191438.JPG
@83rdrecon
Nice shorty's.  Weight on the complete?
Thanks!  Not sure on the weight, will have to get a battery in the scale and get back to you.  Its not a lot though even with the loaded 40rd mag and scout light on it.

@M-4matus - put battery in the scale.  Pretty sure it's not accurate though.  says loaded with 40rd mag 8lbs.   Unloaded said 6.6lbs  
@83rdrecon
Yeah who knows.  With all the accessories maybe, but I would have guessed less especially with that magpul rail...

Before posting these, I want to say, both rifles are SHTF ready.  Several thousands of rounds have been through each, both are completely reliable, backup ready weapons
Here is my 300BLK- 8" WC Barrel & BCG, Noveske KX5 MD w/ V-Seven Ti Replacement Blast Cone and a much heavier Pistol Brace & Rail, no light mounted ATM, RMR/Scalarworks only weighs like 5oz though-
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My lightest build- V-Seven 7075 T6 Receivers, 7076 T6 13.5 V-7 Rail,  Ti Carrier, 9310 Bolt, LW SS LPK w/ a few Ti LP's where toughness isn't as important, V-7 S7 Tool Steel LW Bolt Catch I did opt for a DD LW CHF 14.5 Mid Length Barrel over the 3.5oz lighter V-7 Barrel due to increased toughness and longevity .  I often run the RMR/Scalarworks which are lighter than Scalarworks Irons.  With RMR(4:10.6lbs empty).  As you can see I opted for toughness and durability rather than some of the Ultra Light V-Seven Parts available, particularly Receivers and Barrel.
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12/13/2019 9:51:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By M-4matus:
@83rdrecon
Yeah who knows.  With all the accessories maybe, but I would have guessed less especially with that magpul rail...

Before posting these, I want to say, both rifles are SHTF ready.  Several thousands of rounds have been through each, both are completely reliable, backup ready weapons
Here is my 300BLK- 8" WC Barrel & BCG, Noveske KX5 MD w/ V-Seven Ti Replacement Blast Cone and a much heavier Pistol Brace & Rail, no light mounted ATM, RMR/Scalarworks only weighs like 5oz though-
6:0.7lbs empty <a href="@83rdrecon  Yeah who knows.  With all the accessories maybe.  I would have guessed less.  Here is my 300BLK- 8" though-="" 5oz="" like="" weighs="" only="" scalarworks="" rmr="" atm,="" mounted="" light="" no="" rail,="" brace="" pistol="" heavier="" much="" a="" and="" cone="" blast="" replacement="" ti="" v-seven="" w="" dm="" kx5="" noveske="" bolt,="" barrel="" wc="" 6:0.7lbs empty <a href="[url]https://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/M-4matus/IMG_20191212_081049_zpslesq8ykj.jpg">@83rdrecon  Yeah who knows.  With all the accessories maybe.  I would have guessed less.  Here is my 300BLK- 8" WC Barrel & Bolt, Noveske KX5 DM w/ V-Seven Ti Replacement Blast Cone and a much heavier Pistol Brace & Rail, no light mounted ATM, RMR/Scalarworks only weighs like 5oz though- 6:0.7lbs empty [url][url=http://s1126.photobucket.com/user/M-4matus/media/IMG_20191212_081049_zpslesq8ykj.jpg.html]https://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/M-4matus/IMG_20191212_081049_zpslesq8ykj.jpg">[url=http://s1126.photobucket.com/user/M-4matus/media/IMG_20191212_081049_zpslesq8ykj.jpg.html]https://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/M-4matus/IMG_20191212_081049_zpslesq8ykj.jpg">@83rdrecon  Yeah who knows.  With all the accessories maybe.  I would have guessed less.  Here is my 300BLK- 8" WC Barrel & Bolt, Noveske KX5 DM w/ V-Seven Ti Replacement Blast Cone and a much heavier Pistol Brace & Rail, no light mounted ATM, RMR/Scalarworks only weighs like 5oz though- 6:0.7lbs empty [url]https://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/M-4matus/IMG_20191212_081049_zpslesq8ykj.jpg
7:0.7lbs Loaded 28 rnds <a href="<a href="https://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/M-4matus/IMG_20191212_082509_zpsffur54kd.jpg" >[url]https://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/M-4matus/IMG_20191212_082509_zpsffur54kd.jpg">https://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/M-4matus/IMG_20191212_082509_zpsffur54kd.jpg">[url=http://s1126.photobucket.com/user/M-4matus/media/IMG_20191212_082509_zpsffur54kd.jpg.html]https://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/M-4matus/IMG_20191212_082509_zpsffur54kd.jpg

My lightest build- V-Seven 7075 T6 Receivers, 7076 T6 13.5 V-7 Rail,  Ti Carrier, 9310 Bolt, LW SS LPK w/ a few Ti LP's where toughness isn't as important, V-7 S7 Tool Steel LW Bolt Catch I did opt for a DD LW CHF 14.5 Mid Length Barrel over the 3.5oz lighter V-7 Barrel due to increased toughness and longevity .  I often run the RMR/Scalarworks which are lighter than Scalarworks Irons.  With RMR(4:10.6lbs empty).  As you can see I opted for toughness and durability rather than some of the Ultra Light V-Seven Parts available, particularly Receivers and Barrel.
4:15.6lbs Empty <a href="<a href="https://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/M-4matus/IMG_20191212_083619_zps4jmkcqsg.jpg" >[url]https://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/M-4matus/IMG_20191212_083619_zps4jmkcqsg.jpg">https://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/M-4matus/IMG_20191212_083619_zps4jmkcqsg.jpg">[url=http://s1126.photobucket.com/user/M-4matus/media/IMG_20191212_083619_zps4jmkcqsg.jpg.html]https://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/M-4matus/IMG_20191212_083619_zps4jmkcqsg.jpg

5:15.5lbs Loaded 28 rnds <a href="<a href="https://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/M-4matus/IMG_20191212_084850_zpsjtsgb4xc.jpg" >[url]https://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/M-4matus/IMG_20191212_084850_zpsjtsgb4xc.jpg">https://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/M-4matus/IMG_20191212_084850_zpsjtsgb4xc.jpg">[url=http://s1126.photobucket.com/user/M-4matus/media/IMG_20191212_084850_zpsjtsgb4xc.jpg.html]https://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/M-4matus/IMG_20191212_084850_zpsjtsgb4xc.jpg
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Originally Posted By M-4matus:
Originally Posted By 83rdrecon:
Originally Posted By M-4matus:
Originally Posted By 83rdrecon:
I have several "Go to" weapons, but mostly the 10.5" AR pistols are what are in the front of the safe along with the shotguns.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/173090/IMG_1444_jpg-1191436.JPG
The FDE pistol in the pic is for my son.  Picture was before I finished it.  Top one same as pic above, just added new FH.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/173090/58302393102__136A490A-3730-4434-8742-A6860D9BFF81_JPG-1191438.JPG
@83rdrecon
Nice shorty's.  Weight on the complete?
Thanks!  Not sure on the weight, will have to get a battery in the scale and get back to you.  Its not a lot though even with the loaded 40rd mag and scout light on it.

@M-4matus - put battery in the scale.  Pretty sure it's not accurate though.  says loaded with 40rd mag 8lbs.   Unloaded said 6.6lbs  
@83rdrecon
Yeah who knows.  With all the accessories maybe, but I would have guessed less especially with that magpul rail...

Before posting these, I want to say, both rifles are SHTF ready.  Several thousands of rounds have been through each, both are completely reliable, backup ready weapons
Here is my 300BLK- 8" WC Barrel & BCG, Noveske KX5 MD w/ V-Seven Ti Replacement Blast Cone and a much heavier Pistol Brace & Rail, no light mounted ATM, RMR/Scalarworks only weighs like 5oz though-
6:0.7lbs empty <a href="@83rdrecon  Yeah who knows.  With all the accessories maybe.  I would have guessed less.  Here is my 300BLK- 8" though-="" 5oz="" like="" weighs="" only="" scalarworks="" rmr="" atm,="" mounted="" light="" no="" rail,="" brace="" pistol="" heavier="" much="" a="" and="" cone="" blast="" replacement="" ti="" v-seven="" w="" dm="" kx5="" noveske="" bolt,="" barrel="" wc="" 6:0.7lbs empty <a href="[url]https://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/M-4matus/IMG_20191212_081049_zpslesq8ykj.jpg">@83rdrecon  Yeah who knows.  With all the accessories maybe.  I would have guessed less.  Here is my 300BLK- 8" WC Barrel & Bolt, Noveske KX5 DM w/ V-Seven Ti Replacement Blast Cone and a much heavier Pistol Brace & Rail, no light mounted ATM, RMR/Scalarworks only weighs like 5oz though- 6:0.7lbs empty [url][url=http://s1126.photobucket.com/user/M-4matus/media/IMG_20191212_081049_zpslesq8ykj.jpg.html]https://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/M-4matus/IMG_20191212_081049_zpslesq8ykj.jpg">[url=http://s1126.photobucket.com/user/M-4matus/media/IMG_20191212_081049_zpslesq8ykj.jpg.html]https://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/M-4matus/IMG_20191212_081049_zpslesq8ykj.jpg">@83rdrecon  Yeah who knows.  With all the accessories maybe.  I would have guessed less.  Here is my 300BLK- 8" WC Barrel & Bolt, Noveske KX5 DM w/ V-Seven Ti Replacement Blast Cone and a much heavier Pistol Brace & Rail, no light mounted ATM, RMR/Scalarworks only weighs like 5oz though- 6:0.7lbs empty [url]https://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/M-4matus/IMG_20191212_081049_zpslesq8ykj.jpg
7:0.7lbs Loaded 28 rnds <a href="<a href="https://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/M-4matus/IMG_20191212_082509_zpsffur54kd.jpg" >[url]https://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/M-4matus/IMG_20191212_082509_zpsffur54kd.jpg">https://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/M-4matus/IMG_20191212_082509_zpsffur54kd.jpg">[url=http://s1126.photobucket.com/user/M-4matus/media/IMG_20191212_082509_zpsffur54kd.jpg.html]https://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/M-4matus/IMG_20191212_082509_zpsffur54kd.jpg

My lightest build- V-Seven 7075 T6 Receivers, 7076 T6 13.5 V-7 Rail,  Ti Carrier, 9310 Bolt, LW SS LPK w/ a few Ti LP's where toughness isn't as important, V-7 S7 Tool Steel LW Bolt Catch I did opt for a DD LW CHF 14.5 Mid Length Barrel over the 3.5oz lighter V-7 Barrel due to increased toughness and longevity .  I often run the RMR/Scalarworks which are lighter than Scalarworks Irons.  With RMR(4:10.6lbs empty).  As you can see I opted for toughness and durability rather than some of the Ultra Light V-Seven Parts available, particularly Receivers and Barrel.
4:15.6lbs Empty <a href="<a href="https://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/M-4matus/IMG_20191212_083619_zps4jmkcqsg.jpg" >[url]https://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/M-4matus/IMG_20191212_083619_zps4jmkcqsg.jpg">https://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/M-4matus/IMG_20191212_083619_zps4jmkcqsg.jpg">[url=http://s1126.photobucket.com/user/M-4matus/media/IMG_20191212_083619_zps4jmkcqsg.jpg.html]https://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/M-4matus/IMG_20191212_083619_zps4jmkcqsg.jpg

5:15.5lbs Loaded 28 rnds <a href="<a href="https://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/M-4matus/IMG_20191212_084850_zpsjtsgb4xc.jpg" >[url]https://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/M-4matus/IMG_20191212_084850_zpsjtsgb4xc.jpg">https://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/M-4matus/IMG_20191212_084850_zpsjtsgb4xc.jpg">[url=http://s1126.photobucket.com/user/M-4matus/media/IMG_20191212_084850_zpsjtsgb4xc.jpg.html]https://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/M-4matus/IMG_20191212_084850_zpsjtsgb4xc.jpg
Very nice!  yes if I had to guess on my go to Id say close to 6lbs.  I just need to get a good scale.

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12/14/2019 12:14:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: CCLJ03][Edited] [#5]
Kind of a Frankenstein gun, but it runs super smooth and cycles everything.

11.5" ballistic advantage Hansen barrel
10" MI Combat rail
All DD internals
T2
SBA3

The shit just works.

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"Success cannot be purchased with cash. Success must be financed, and you gotta make payments every single day if you wanna own that bitch."
12/14/2019 7:10:06 AM EDT
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These 3 are super reliable.  I've built all three.

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12/14/2019 1:38:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
These 3 are super reliable.  I've built all three.

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@Combat_Diver Nice Guns Brother!

It is funny to me though, how all the OG Members run Quad Rail everything.  I literally bought an LMT CQB Upper just to see what a Quad Rail felt like.  It's the only Quad Rail I own and I've got almost 20 of em.  Man 3 Gun really has changed the AR scene...just ordered an LMT MLC Upper the other day for $580 Shipped via BDU
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12/15/2019 6:51:41 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CCLJ03:

Kind of a Frankenstein fun, but it runs super smooth and cycles everything.

11.5" ballistic advantage Hansen barrel
10" MI Combat rail
All DD internals
T2
SBA3

The shit just works.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/360906/85305EF7-B5A1-4BDC-B9F9-7CA4B3E9FCF0_jpeg-1195018.JPG
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Amen to that!  Have to agree that this basic setup has been the best for me since my intro to the platform in 1980.
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12/16/2019 4:10:52 AM EDT
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@83rdrecon -you have to understand, I bought my first AR in 2009, please don't take offence, I'm not knocking any gun someone posts, just an observation I made (lot of Quad Rails in the Early Date Members) personally I think they are kind of heavy and now that we have a lot of different attachment systems, M Lok and Keymod seem like the lighter and more ergonomic options.  I'm thinking about "Thumb Over Bore" style grips too.  Anyway,  I want to see everyones GoTo setup.  I love the three guns @Combat_Diver posted just as much as me new KAC.  I cant get enough of em really.
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12/16/2019 4:24:12 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By CCLJ03:

Kind of a Frankenstein fun, but it runs super smooth and cycles everything.

11.5" ballistic advantage Hansen barrel
10" MI Combat rail
All DD internals
T2
SBA3

The shit just works.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/360906/85305EF7-B5A1-4BDC-B9F9-7CA4B3E9FCF0_jpeg-1195018.JPG
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Hey, what light mount is that exactly?
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12/16/2019 10:16:24 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By M-4matus:
@83rdrecon -you have to understand, I bought my first AR in 2009, please don't take offence, I'm not knocking any gun someone posts, just an observation I made (lot of Quad Rails in the Early Date Members) personally I think they are kind of heavy and now that we have a lot of different attachment systems, M Lok and Keymod seem like the lighter and more ergonomic options.  I'm thinking about "Thumb Over Bore" style grips too.  Anyway,  I want to see everyones GoTo setup.  I love the three guns @Combat_Diver posted just as much as me new KAC.  I cant get enough of em really.
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Nice pair!  You have the 2 uppers I am contemplating.  I have to pick one.  I like the Mk16 for the clone factor, but the URX4 just looks so efficient, sleek and the install system seems nearly bomb proof.  What difference do you see between the two in use?
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12/16/2019 11:42:06 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By M-4matus:

Hey, what light mount is that exactly?
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12/16/2019 12:34:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By imdBman:

Nice pair!  You have the 2 uppers I am contemplating.  I have to pick one.  I like the Mk16 for the clone factor, but the URX4 just looks so efficient, sleek and the install system seems nearly bomb proof.  What difference do you see between the two in use?
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You should have done your buying on Black Friday and paid like $700 for a URGI Upper or $1240 for a URGI Complete.

The difference I have seen so far is not a lot really, I only have 250 rounds through my URGI and 30 through the KAC URX4.  I have seen that the gas port size on the URGI is much larger and so has proven to be very dirty even in regards to regular DI AR's, it's a dirty gun.  The URGI doesn't have a bad recoil issue though, but I shoot a lot and so it may be more apparent to a less experienced shooter that the URGI has a bit of kick.  Supposedly it does have a little bit of an increase in recoil over the standard M4, 14.5 type AR.

The KAC is just super smooth shooting and I think with a bit of practice I will become very fast with the URX4.  The URX4 rail is slightly wider and just feels really good to hold.  I have about 12 Geissele Rails so it felt kind of big, but I noticed I run all my Geissele rails Thumb Over Bore with a handstop or vertical grip that I run behind my off hand.  Meaning I do not grip the Vert Grip but use it to grip around the rail and pull into my shoulder against the handstop/vert grip.  With the URX4, I found holding just "Thumb Over Bore" (without any modifications made to the rail in regards to Vert Grips and Hand Stops) I had very good control of the front end of my rifle.  Point being, the KAC URX4 is just super controllable out of the box.  KAC does all the tuning we normally do, but at a much more professional level.  Can't beat a KAC.  Then again,  if you want to be cool you kind of have to own a URGI these days, LMAO

No really, I couldn't recommend one over the other.  They are both just Super Awesome, Great Shooting, Accurate as Hell.  Every one of my Buddies that has came over to the shop has drooled over both equally.  One thing to note.  I bought my URGI as a complete on Halloween sale, only 20% off, paid 1500 not the $1,250 people paid on BF.  I received a 20% off Accessories Card from Geissele with the purchase and was able to buy Optic Bundles with the discount(I know this is the first time Geissele has done such a thing on Non Geissele Products.  I got the SVPS Vortex Razor w/ DDC SOCOM Mount for $1,120.60(usually $1,399) and the Aimpoint CompM5 w/ Lower 1/3 Mount in DDC for $657.60(usually $822).  That was a massive offer from Geissele IMHO, I have NEVER seen a Razor available for $1,120 or a CompM5 available for $657 without mounts.  I asked Big Daddy Unlimited about matching the Razor price, they said they could not buy them for the price I paid.
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12/16/2019 4:19:24 PM EDT
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@M-4matus,
Thanks for the reply.  I actually tried to get a near clone upper BF for $750 but they were out of stock.  I need to sell a FAL parts kit to fund it anyway.  I should have specified I was wondering about the difference in the rails specifically. I will build my own upper group with a better barrel since the idea of the "I", is IMPROVED. I have a Troy M-Lok rail that is wider than both the URX4 and the Mk16 at 1.75".  I like it but the lock up is tension on an original barrel nut.  I think the URX is about 1/8" wider than the Mk16.  Dont worry cloners I would not post it in the clone threads

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Lower;
PSA M4A1 receiver, (may not be pictured, but the pictured lower has been replaced)
LMT MBT trigger
LPK?
B5 Gen1 stock on a Colt 4 position extension, IWC QD sling adapter end plate.

Upper;
DSA Mueller forged receiver
Spikes 14.5 optimal profile CHF barrel, special sale $160. ETA: Correction, barrel $240 on sale.
SF Warcomp PW
VTAC, (Troy) FF handguard
TD forward assist, old GI  
SF 600 light with Arisaka inline mount, no-name remote switch
cheap M-Lok aluminum hand stop painted FDE ($12.00)

Optics;
PA Raptor 1-6, sniper gray, ($239 clearance sale), on an unkown mount $40.
Swampfox Kingslayer MRDS sale $186 on a MI 45 picatinny mount $39.

1000 rounds so far.  No issues and accurate to 550 yards so far.  The 45 mount and MRDS with 1-6 is a perfect combination for me.
If U can't Truck It F!@k It!
12/16/2019 5:22:55 PM EDT
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@imdBman
If you are going to build your own, I would definitely go with the MK16.  This way you can avoid all the rotational timing issues required with putting the URX4 together.  Alignment is much easier with Geissele rails especially if you have a good quality Magnified Optic Mount with recoil lugs(like a Geissele)to bridge from the rail to the receiver.  Then you can torque the mount a bit and the rail is aligned with the receiver perfectly, then you just torque the rail through bolts to 8"lbs.  This is how I always align my rails and the Irons are just about perfect at factory settings no windage adjustments needed.  I tried to bridge a Mount across the KAC upper and rail just to check it, due to the shims required to get proper timing the pic sections would not align between the receiver and rail because the shims left quite a gap.  Here is a close up image of MK16 Receiver/Rail gap and a KAC Receiver/Rail gap(note, this is a factory built KAC Mod 2 E3 Upper and a factory built Geissele URGI-
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12/16/2019 5:24:52 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By imdBman:
@M-4matus,
Thanks for the reply.  I actually tried to get a near clone upper BF for $750 but they were out of stock.  I need to sell a FAL parts kit to fund it anyway.  I should have specified I was wondering about the difference in the rails specifically. I will build my own upper group with a better barrel since the idea of the "I", is IMPROVED. I have a Troy M-Lok rail that is wider than both the URX4 and the Mk16 at 1.75".  I like it but the lock up is tension on an original barrel nut.  I think the URX is about 1/8" wider than the Mk16.  Dont worry cloners I would not post it in the clone threads

ETA:
https://i.imgur.com/eJcwTsa.jpg

Lower;
PSA M4A1 receiver, (may not be pictured, but the pictured lower has been replaced)
LMT MBT trigger
LPK?
B5 Gen1 stock on a Colt 4 position extension, IWC QD sling adapter end plate.

Upper;
DSA Mueller forged receiver
Spikes 14.5 optimal profile CHF barrel, special sale $160.
SF Warcomp PW
VTAC, (Troy) FF handguard
TD forward assist, old GI
SF 600 light with Arisaka inline mount, no-name remote switch
cheap M-Lok aluminum hand stop painted FDE ($12.00)

Optics;
PA Raptor 1-6, sniper gray, ($239 clearance sale), on an unkown mount $40.
Swampfox Kingslayer MRDS sale $186 on a MI 45 picatinny mount $39.

1000 rounds so far.  No issues and accurate to 550 yards so far.  The 45 mount and MRDS with 1-6 is a perfect combination for me.
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Cheap hand stop- it looks identical to Rail Scale hand stop
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12/16/2019 7:47:10 PM EDT
[#17]
This would be my go to if I had to. Colt 6920 SOCOM. But, I have been offered a Springfield SOCOM16 plus extras for it which I’m seriously considering. I have three other standard Colt 6920’s.
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Si vis pacem, para bellum
12/16/2019 7:56:28 PM EDT
[#18]
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Originally Posted By davidb1982:
This would be my go to if I had to. Colt 6920 SOCOM. But, I have been offered a Springfield SOCOM16 plus extras for it which I’m seriously considering. I have three other standard Colt 6920’s.
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/155148/E6464A57-5FA2-47FC-B6F5-6E68B7A5FC32_jpeg-1198616.JPG
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I woudn't do that trade.  You can by new Springfield M1-A Socoms everyday from Palmetto.  You have a very desirable Colt there.  M1-As are just okay for the price.
12/17/2019 12:29:44 AM EDT
[#19]
These are my actual go to rifles here in Afghanistan.

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RPD made in 1951
PKB made in 1983, Afghan modified to a PKM style (spade grip removed, bipod welded on)
Benelli M4 Super 90
vz58 made in 1960
14.5" URG
10.3" URGs

CD
De Oppresso Liber
Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15&16'
Afganistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18'&19'
12/17/2019 1:25:46 AM EDT
[#20]
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
These are my actual go to rifles here in Afghanistan.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_9596_JPG-1199014.JPG
RPD made in 1951
PKB made in 1983, Afghan modified to a PKM style (spade grip removed, bipod welded on)
Benelli M4 Super 90
vz58 made in 1960
14.5" URG
10.3" URGs

CD
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Thats awesome
12/17/2019 6:33:11 AM EDT
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@Combat_Diver
I was just looking at buying one of the newer model RPDs, of which you have older models (BETER MODELS and features I'm sure).  We should talk sometime via phone.  If you are up for that IM or Email me your phone #.
"Don't tread on Me or I'll shoot, I'll shoot!, get on the ground, Get on the FUxxxxG Ground Now!!"
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12/17/2019 8:05:02 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By M-4matus:
@Combat_Diver
I was just looking at buying one of the newer model RPDs, of which you have older models (BETER MODELS and features I'm sure).  We should talk sometime via phone.  If you are up for that IM or Email me your phone #.
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Better in that they are all either full auto or select fire (minus the shotgun).

CD
De Oppresso Liber
Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15&16'
Afganistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18'&19'
12/17/2019 12:52:12 PM EDT
[#23]
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:

Better in that they are all either full auto or select fire (minus the shotgun).

CD
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My point exactly.  Are you in Afghanistan Currently?
"Don't tread on Me, I'll shoot!, get on the ground, Get on the FUxxxxG Ground Now!!"
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12/17/2019 7:37:23 PM EDT
[#24]


My go to home defense “pistol”:
BCM BFH 11.5” upper with kmr rail.
PSA enhanced pistol lower with SBA3 brace.
Arisaka 300 scout light in an inline scout mount.
Aimpoint T2 in an American Defense lower 1/3 mount.
Dueck Defense RTS offset sights.
Frank Proctor sling stored on the brace using inner tube.



My go “shtf” rifle:
BCM BFH ELW 14.5” upper with kmr-a rail with BCM comp.
Rainier Arms lower with LaRue MBT trigger and MFT stock.
Streamlight protac HL-X in BCM ring mount.
Trijicon TA31 ACOG with ACSS reticle and piggyback RMR.
Troy folding battle sights.
Frank Proctor sling stored on the stock using inner tube.
12/18/2019 6:17:09 AM EDT
[#25]
Really like the BCM Setup and the paint scheme is very well done.

Just completed the upper on my Back Up GoTo, the lower will be replaced with a Geissele DDC Lower, then its done.  One other point I'd like to make about this Uperr.  For the past 3 years I have avoided the Razor 1-6 because it was Stupid Heavy, 25oz.. and because I'm either a Brand Snob or "I only buy American"(which every suits my argument at the time of purchase), now that they made it slightly lighter @21oz instead of 25oz I still think it is a heavy LPVO.  That being said, if you do not have a Vortex Razor, let me tell you a few things, It has the best Eye Box I have ever seen on any of my 6 LPVO(this includes my ATCAR and NXS Nightforce 1-8, Trijicon AccuPoint 1-4 & Power 1-8 and Steiner 1-5 & 1-4) and the Razor has shockingly EXCELLENT QUALITY GLASS, the locking brightness turret is also a  nice feature as all LPVO owners know, you think its off then its dead next time you train.  Anyway, maybe it's the Eyebox and Excellent Glass Quality/FOV but when using, I don't even notice that the Razor/GSP Mount weighs 13oz more than my other GoTo Rifles' Optic/Mount Bundle(Accupoint/Scalarworks Mount" />
"Don't tread on Me, I'll shoot!, get on the ground, Get on the FUxxxxG Ground Now!!"
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12/18/2019 10:19:17 AM EDT
[#26]
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Originally Posted By M-4matus:
Really like the BCM Setup and the paint scheme is very well done.

Just completed the upper on my Back Up GoTo, the lower will be replaced with a Geissele DDC Lower, then its done.  One other point I'd like to make about this Uperr.  For the past 3 years I have avoided the Razor 1-6 because it was Stupid Heavy, 25oz.. and because I'm either a Brand Snob or "I only buy American"(which every suits my argument at the time of purchase), now that they made it slightly lighter @21oz instead of 25oz I still think it is a heavy LPVO.  That being said, if you do not have a Vortex Razor, let me tell you a few things, It has the best Eye Box I have ever seen on any of my 6 LPVO(this includes my ATCAR and NXS Nightforce 1-8, Trijicon AccuPoint 1-4 & Power 1-8 and Steiner 1-5 & 1-4) and the Razor has shockingly EXCELLENT QUALITY GLASS, the locking brightness turret is also a  nice feature as all LPVO owners know, you think its off then its dead next time you train.  Anyway, maybe it's the Eyebox and Excellent Glass Quality/FOV but when using, I don't even notice that the Razor/GSP Mount weighs 13oz more than my other GoTo Rifles' Optic/Mount Bundle(Accupoint/Scalarworks Mount<a href="https://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/M-4matus/IMG_20191218_051038_zpsbp9q4oye.jpg</a>" >[url]https://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/M-4matus/IMG_20191218_051038_zpsbp9q4oye.jpg">https://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/M-4matus/IMG_20191218_051038_zpsbp9q4oye.jpg">[url=http://s1126.photobucket.com/user/M-4matus/media/IMG_20191218_051038_zpsbp9q4oye.jpg.html]https://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/M-4matus/IMG_20191218_051038_zpsbp9q4oye.jpg
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Your gun budget seems sizeable.
"Success cannot be purchased with cash. Success must be financed, and you gotta make payments every single day if you wanna own that bitch."
12/18/2019 1:01:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: M-4matus][Edited] [#27]
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Originally Posted By CCLJ03:
@CCLJ03
Your gun budget seems sizeable.
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IDK, it's all relative, I am a Building Contractor with no vices, dont drink dont smoke no drugs[/u] and I married a Nurse that came with Acreage:)  This and Motorcycles are my only hobbies.  The types of items I purchase are fairly remarketable.  I have free healthcare, accidental injury insurance, and I could sell the shit I've been collecting if We were in a financial bind.  I do not think buying guns and Nods and Ammo is really that bad an investment.  Ceertainly better than blowing my money going out to eat every day and buying $7 coffees and drinking up a paycheck on Friday Night.  But hey, thats just my opinion.
"Don't tread on Me, I'll shoot!, get on the ground, Get on the FUxxxxG Ground Now!!"
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12/18/2019 4:53:56 PM EDT
[#28]
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Originally Posted By M-4matus:
@83rdrecon -you have to understand, I bought my first AR in 2009, please don't take offence, I'm not knocking any gun someone posts, just an observation I made (lot of Quad Rails in the Early Date Members) personally I think they are kind of heavy and now that we have a lot of different attachment systems, M Lok and Keymod seem like the lighter and more ergonomic options.  I'm thinking about "Thumb Over Bore" style grips too.  Anyway,  I want to see everyones GoTo setup.  I love the three guns @Combat_Diver posted just as much as me new KAC.  I cant get enough of em really.
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No offense taken at all bro.  I have lots of railed guns too.  Its like grown up lego sets to me.  Any weapon that we can shoot and it reliable is good to go in my book.  It's all flavoring after that
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12/18/2019 4:55:31 PM EDT
[#29]
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
These are my actual go to rifles here in Afghanistan.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_9596_JPG-1199014.JPG
RPD made in 1951
PKB made in 1983, Afghan modified to a PKM style (spade grip removed, bipod welded on)
Benelli M4 Super 90
vz58 made in 1960
14.5" URG
10.3" URGs

CD
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SWEETNESS!  Stay safe and watch your six!
Only hits count...
12/18/2019 4:55:59 PM EDT
[#30]
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Originally Posted By bpoint2251:
https://i.imgur.com/Igaxnry.jpg

My go to home defense "pistol":
BCM BFH 11.5" upper with kmr rail.
PSA enhanced pistol lower with SBA3 brace.
Arisaka 300 scout light in an inline scout mount.
Aimpoint T2 in an American Defense lower 1/3 mount.
Dueck Defense RTS offset sights.
Frank Proctor sling stored on the brace using inner tube.

https://i.imgur.com/Vf3LtcK.jpg

My go "shtf" rifle:
BCM BFH ELW 14.5" upper with kmr-a rail with BCM comp.
Rainier Arms lower with LaRue MBT trigger and MFT stock.
Streamlight protac HL-X in BCM ring mount.
Trijicon TA31 ACOG with ACSS reticle and piggyback RMR.
Troy folding battle sights.
Frank Proctor sling stored on the stock using inner tube.
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Very nice builds!
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12/18/2019 5:02:56 PM EDT
[#31]
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Got this left hand side charging upper in the other day and put it on this build.  Still have to add a binary trigger and a 3x prism optic as well as a new stock for it to be done but I really like the left side charger.
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12/18/2019 5:08:38 PM EDT
[#32]
Just Simple

"If it's to be a bloodbath, let it be now. Appeasement is not the answer."
Ronald Reagan
12/18/2019 5:45:12 PM EDT
[#33]
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Originally Posted By tspike:
Just Simple

https://i.imgur.com/lNf26CC.jpg
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Details? I'm thinking of doing a 11.5" Build. Have two stripped lowers with a couple of braces.
Si vis pacem, para bellum
12/18/2019 6:52:42 PM EDT
[#34]
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Originally Posted By davidb1982:

Details? I'm thinking of doing a 11.5" Build. Have two stripped lowers with a couple of braces.
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@davidb1982
One thing to keep in mind, I had to build a 12.5'' Upper to stay over the 26" LAW mark so I could use a vertical grip.  The 11.5 was just a bit shorter than the required length for Vertical Foregrips.  Just a thought if you plan on a vert grip.
"Don't tread on Me, I'll shoot!, get on the ground, Get on the FUxxxxG Ground Now!!"
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12/18/2019 7:00:04 PM EDT
[#35]
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Originally Posted By M-4matus:
@davidb1982
One thing to keep in mind, I had to build a 12.5'' Upper to stay over the 26" LAW mark so I could use a vertical grip.  The 11.5 was just a bit shorter than the required length for Vertical Foregrips.  Just a thought if you plan on a vert grip.
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Originally Posted By M-4matus:
Originally Posted By davidb1982:

Details? I'm thinking of doing a 11.5" Build. Have two stripped lowers with a couple of braces.
@davidb1982
One thing to keep in mind, I had to build a 12.5'' Upper to stay over the 26" LAW mark so I could use a vertical grip.  The 11.5 was just a bit shorter than the required length for Vertical Foregrips.  Just a thought if you plan on a vert grip.
Thank you for the info. I appreciate it.
Si vis pacem, para bellum
12/18/2019 7:04:23 PM EDT
[#36]
@83rdrecon
Glad to hear you and I are in the same boat. Adult legos, addicted, can't get enough of the new builds, factory new purchases or shooting.  The only thing that would be more fun was if explosives were legal to make and machine guns were still obtainable to the Regular Joe and not just saved out by Congress for the Elites.  Not knocking ANYONE WHO HAS machine guns.  I will have one or two some day soon.  Its just a complaint that for US to buy them at 20-30,000 isn't the same as the anti gunners like Bloomberg who are surrounding themselves with security forces who are carrying the weapons he wants to ban and its guy like him that are able to buy Machine Guns like it a toothbrush, but of course. He needs them, we probably don't right.
"Don't tread on Me, I'll shoot!, get on the ground, Get on the FUxxxxG Ground Now!!"
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12/18/2019 8:58:07 PM EDT
[#37]
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Originally Posted By M-4matus:
@83rdrecon
Glad to hear you and I are in the same boat. Adult legos, addicted, can't get enough of the new builds, factory new purchases or shooting.  The only thing that would be more fun was if explosives were legal to make and machine guns were still obtainable to the Regular Joe and not just saved out by Congress for the Elites.  Not knocking ANYONE WHO HAS machine guns.  I will have one or two some day soon.  Its just a complaint that for US to buy them at 20-30,000 isn't the same as the anti gunners like Bloomberg who are surrounding themselves with security forces who are carrying the weapons he wants to ban and its guy like him that are able to buy Machine Guns like it a toothbrush, but of course. He needs them, we probably don't right.
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Amen to that sir!  I hit it about 5 years too late.  Really maybe 10 years.  class three was available but I was an e3 making 1300 per mo.  Just did not have the $$$ to buy then.
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12/18/2019 9:00:55 PM EDT
[#38]
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FUCK
12/18/2019 9:20:37 PM EDT
[#39]
There are a LOT of pretty hot shootin irons on this thread!!

I hope we see some over on the GotoGun Challenge!
John 6:35; And Jesus said to them, I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.
12/18/2019 9:34:44 PM EDT
[#40]
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
These are my actual go to rifles here in Afghanistan.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_9596_JPG-1199014.JPG
RPD made in 1951
PKB made in 1983, Afghan modified to a PKM style (spade grip removed, bipod welded on)
Benelli M4 Super 90
vz58 made in 1960
14.5" URG
10.3" URGs

CD
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CD,

I like how you roll!

18Z50...
12/18/2019 10:22:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: davidb1982][Edited] [#41]
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Originally Posted By davidb1982:
This would be my go to if I had to. Colt 6920 SOCOM. But, I have been offered a Springfield SOCOM16 plus extras for it which I’m seriously considering. I have three other standard Colt 6920’s.
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/155148/E6464A57-5FA2-47FC-B6F5-6E68B7A5FC32_jpeg-1198616.JPG
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So if I decided to keep this rifle, how would you guys set it up?

My goal for 2020 is to focus more on training and getting a couple of rifles outfitted how I want.
Si vis pacem, para bellum
12/19/2019 12:02:08 AM EDT
[#42]
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
These are my actual go to rifles here in Afghanistan.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_9596_JPG-1199014.JPG
RPD made in 1951
PKB made in 1983, Afghan modified to a PKM style (spade grip removed, bipod welded on)
Benelli M4 Super 90
vz58 made in 1960
14.5" URG
10.3" URGs

CD
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Awesome! That RPD would be even cooler with a barrel chop, SOG style . Probably more useful as is with a bipod though.
12/19/2019 2:12:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: FrodoFiringPins][Edited] [#43]
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Originally Posted By davidb1982:

So if I decided to keep this rifle, how would you guys set it up?

My goal for 2020 is to focus more on training and getting a couple of rifles outfitted how I want.
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I'd keep that 6920 socom and let one of the regular 6920's go.

Setting it up on a budget I'd just throw a surefire g2x or streamlight polytac on a vtac light mount, SIG romeo 5 or Vortex sparc red dot, vickers 2pt. sling and leave the rest of the gun as is call it roughly 220-250 bucks depending on what deals you find. If you want more optic just keep an eye out for a used Aimpoint Pro, maybe a Trijicon MRO, Eotech 512's have been pretty cheap even new for the last year, say 250-450 bucks for any of those 3 depending on used or new. Going along those lines would give you a solid go to setup in my opinion.
12/19/2019 4:43:13 AM EDT
[#44]
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Originally Posted By davidb1982:

So if I decided to keep this rifle, how would you guys set it up?

My goal for 2020 is to focus more on training and getting a couple of rifles outfitted how I want.
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I would spend as much money as you can possibly afford on the best optics you can afford.  Set one up with an LPVO and turn the other SBR, run an 11.5 barrel and mount an aimpoint T2 or if you will never shoot Night Vision an Aimpoint H2 with a Scalarworks or Geissele mount
"Don't tread on Me, I'll shoot!, get on the ground, Get on the FUxxxxG Ground Now!!"
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12/19/2019 8:51:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: zen_grasshopper][Edited] [#45]


Old Rock River US Property marked lower (member those?)
Lightweight profile barrel
Troy TRX Extreme rail
Vickers Sling
Aimpoint H1
TLR-1 HL
Larue trigger

Nothing special, but it was built right after the ban sunset in 2004, the rail was added later.  It works and has been through several different classes.

But soon it will be rebuilt with as an SBR with an 11.5" barrel and BCM M-Lok handguard.
12/19/2019 11:42:53 PM EDT
[#46]
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Originally Posted By davidb1982:

Details? I'm thinking of doing a 11.5" Build. Have two stripped lowers with a couple of braces.
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Just a Spikes lower with KAK blade and buffer tube,  Geissele Super 42 Spring and buffer, MAGPUL grip, ELFTMANN 3 gun 3.5lb trigger, Stag A2 upper and lightweight 16" barrel cut 11.5", crowned and threaded with Stags 3G Comp, Spikes Nickel Boron M16 BCG. and my old IDF sling.

This is my favorite AR in every sense. Just wish I could put the Colt N1 on it.
"If it's to be a bloodbath, let it be now. Appeasement is not the answer."
Ronald Reagan
12/19/2019 11:51:16 PM EDT
[#47]
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Originally Posted By tspike:

Just wish I could put the Colt N1 on it.
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Why can't you?
12/20/2019 2:33:10 AM EDT
[#48]
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Originally Posted By Hydra-shokz:
Why can't you?
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Originally Posted By Hydra-shokz:
Originally Posted By tspike:

Just wish I could put the Colt N1 on it.
Why can't you?
No stamp yet
"If it's to be a bloodbath, let it be now. Appeasement is not the answer."
Ronald Reagan
12/20/2019 6:35:37 AM EDT
[#49]
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Originally Posted By Hydra-shokz:

Why can't you?
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E-File or SOT?
"Don't tread on Me, I'll shoot!, get on the ground, Get on the FUxxxxG Ground Now!!"
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12/20/2019 6:18:29 PM EDT
[#50]
If only I could have it all at 2lbs lighter. Oh well, still my go to.


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