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Posted: 9/14/2018 9:46:37 AM EDT
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Meh. 26 years in the Army, beaucoup 5.56mm put down range from M16A1, M16A2, M4, and M4A1. I never saw a FA break or jam a rifle but have used it on occasion. I guess the OP is smarter than DOD. |
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Posted: 9/14/2018 12:13:20 PM EDT
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I've seen thousands and thousands of M16s (both A2s and A4s) and M4s shot over the course of my military career (20 years USMC active and reserve). I've seen a lesser number of rounds fired through AR15 rifles as a law enforcement fire arms instructor. I've also fired thousands of rounds through my own personal rifles. I own a variety of brands.
Never seen that roll pin break. Not saying it can't because it clearly can. However, like all other isolated incidents, this is an isolated incident that is not indicative of a problem with having a forward assist. I have seen rifles that didn't want to chamber due to dirt or sand and carbon but a quick hit of the forward assist fixed that. Using rifles in a military operational environment will tend to do that. Try carrying a rifle in the desert while riding in the back of a vehicle. Both you and your rifle will get sand in places you didn't know existed. I like rifles with forward assists and all mine currently have them and will have them. A data point of a couple rifles when there are literally many millions of AR15 pattern rifles out there is pretty silly. |
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Posted: 9/14/2018 12:16:33 PM EDT
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If a failure rate of 1 in a million was adequate justification to stop making that and stop using that, we'd have NOTHING LEFT.
Tires? Oh, sometimes they just fail. Let's stop using them. My engine stopped running. Let's walk instead. The power's out! No more electricity for me! |
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Posted: 9/14/2018 12:22:14 PM EDT
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Meh.....parts break. Guns jam. Shit happens. Who was the manufacturer? I’ve never had a single issue with a fwd assist. Don’t think I’ll be afraid of having one on a rifle. |
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Posted: 9/14/2018 12:35:41 PM EDT
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So would that be the same DOD as the one in the sixties that set out to deliberately sabotage the M-16 platform by using ball powder instead of IMR powder, even after both Stoner and Colt stated the calcium carbonate in the ball powder would result in malfunctions? THAT DOD??? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Meh. 26 years in the Army, beaucoup 5.56mm put down range from M16A1, M16A2, M4, and M4A1. I never saw a FA break or jam a rifle but have used it on occasion. I guess the OP is smarter than DOD. THAT DOD??? The poster you quote also is not speaking for the DOD. He's speaking from personal experience. Tell us about your military experience. |
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Posted: 9/14/2018 12:42:23 PM EDT
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If a failure rate of 1 in a million was adequate justification to stop making that and stop using that, we'd have NOTHING LEFT. Tires? Oh, sometimes they just fail. Let's stop using them. My engine stopped running. Let's walk instead. The power's out! No more electricity for me! In spite of the fact that forward assists VERY seldom fail, I did see a few hammer springs break with M16A2s. Shut those rifles down. Guess we should stop using hammer springs too. |
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Posted: 9/14/2018 12:57:58 PM EDT
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Choice of thread title set the tone....
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Posted: 9/14/2018 1:10:35 PM EDT
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Beans or no beans.................
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Posted: 9/14/2018 1:32:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yet, it HAPPENED! Get outta here with this troll stuff. |
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Posted: 9/14/2018 1:33:32 PM EDT
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There are PLENTY of reasons for not having/using a Forward Assist, this just adds to the list. |
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Posted: 9/14/2018 1:44:46 PM EDT
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{Post removed, we have some Very experienced professional here that don't post much. In Tech forums we don't dismiss comments based on number of posts -F}
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Posted: 9/14/2018 1:48:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Says the N00b with 100 posts  |
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Posted: 9/14/2018 2:04:18 PM EDT
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There is a simple conclusion to this ongoing discussion that is going no where.
If you want one, then get one. If you don't like the FA, don't get one But every time this subject comes up, it is just a repeat of the last dozen times it came up! |
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Posted: 9/14/2018 2:17:22 PM EDT
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Says the N00b with 100 posts Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: One time out of 11,456,765,789 times. Get outta here with this troll stuff. |
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Posted: 9/14/2018 2:19:58 PM EDT
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Says the N00b with 100 posts Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: One time out of 11,456,765,789 times. Get outta here with this troll stuff. |
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Posted: 9/14/2018 2:48:05 PM EDT
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“Do not make comments about other members lack of posts or time on the site. There are very experienced military personnel and law enforcement officers who only post here once in awhile. If you think someone is making false statements about their experience or background please contact a moderator. This has been a problem in the past and will be dealt with.”
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Posted: 9/14/2018 2:49:26 PM EDT
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Eta: late. |
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Posted: 9/14/2018 2:54:50 PM EDT
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Shit just got interesting. Is a moderator going to get pee pee slapped by another moderator? Tune in shortly to find out.
At least I think Pursuit is a mod...somewhere on this site. |
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Posted: 9/14/2018 3:16:02 PM EDT
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Shit just got interesting. Is a moderator going to get pee pee slapped by another moderator? Tune in shortly to find out.
At least I think Pursuit is a mod...somewhere on this site. Bad call on posting that response. |
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Posted: 9/14/2018 3:40:40 PM EDT
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Another forward assist is evil thread... Please let it go. If you don't want a forward assist then don't have one. I've used them and have never had one fail. I'll keep it. You are just as likely to have any other freak failure, and far more likely to have one of MANY more common failures. Just one of those things. |
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Posted: 9/14/2018 3:43:40 PM EDT
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This thread has led me to think it may make sense to remove the pawl from the FA.
1. Granted it is a one in a million occurrence, but why invite Murphy to the party. 2. The bolt can be moved forward with your thumb, so losing the FA does not eliminate the ability to resolve a out of battery situation. 3. It is not necessary to pay $40-50 to replace the FA with a fake one. All it take is to knock out one pin. Am I missing something? |
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Posted: 9/14/2018 3:48:41 PM EDT
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I had one break but it happened when I let a noob shoot it and he was riding the FA with his thumb.
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Posted: 9/14/2018 3:52:28 PM EDT
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Staff issue. Bad call on posting that response.
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This thread has led me to think it may make sense to remove the pawl from the FA. 1. Granted it is a one in a million occurrence, but why invite Murphy to the party. 2. The bolt can be moved forward with your thumb, so losing the FA does not eliminate the ability to resolve a out of battery situation. 3. It is not necessary to pay $40-50 to replace the FA with a fake one. All it take is to knock out one pin. Am I missing something? In this case with it being a brand new upper with a never touched forward assist, its quite obvious to deduce this was due to a defective roll pin. So if somebody walks away from this thread thinking forward assists suck....well I don't know what to tell them. There's no fixing that train of thought. |
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Posted: 9/14/2018 3:52:35 PM EDT
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This thread has led me to think it may make sense to remove the pawl from the FA. 1. Granted it is a one in a million occurrence, but why invite Murphy to the party. 2. The bolt can be moved forward with your thumb, so losing the FA does not eliminate the ability to resolve a out of battery situation. 3. It is not necessary to pay $40-50 to replace the FA with a fake one. All it take is to knock out one pin. Am I missing something? That said, every single one of these forward assist threads ends up exactly the same! 
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Posted: 9/14/2018 4:00:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mine or his? Both? |
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Posted: 9/14/2018 4:03:46 PM EDT
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His. Tech threads are turning fuckey. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Mine or his? Both?
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Posted: 9/14/2018 4:14:37 PM EDT
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Definitely. I am guilty of so in threads like these as well, simply because I know there's no real tech discussion that's going to be had in certain threads. Every 9 vs 45 thread, every forward assist thread, every HK 416 thread.....poo flinging contests. Anyways ill try to add something of value after this post if at all possible Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Mine or his? Both? It's near every thread now. I like to have fun and shit talk too. Purse swingers and shit slingers are making a move! |
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Posted: 9/14/2018 5:02:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I paid that much to jam my upper I guess! https://i.imgur.com/zDu1Z1q.jpg Forward Controls Design Low Drag Forward Assist |
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Posted: 9/14/2018 7:44:18 PM EDT
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If you have ever caught a fingernail on a forward assist, these things are worth it. Forward Controls Design makes good stuff. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I paid that much to jam my upper I guess! https://i.imgur.com/zDu1Z1q.jpg Forward Controls Design Low Drag Forward Assist 
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Posted: 9/14/2018 7:54:02 PM EDT
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Choice of thread title set the tone.... |
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Posted: 9/14/2018 8:18:30 PM EDT
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And yet countless A1s, A2s, A4s, mk18s, mk12s, m4s, m4a1s (etc.) being wielded (or having been wielded) by grunts and POGs are chugging (or did chug) along. Not even going to mention countless more civilian ARs. CSB |
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Posted: 9/15/2018 9:59:21 AM EDT
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Choice of thread title set the tone.... Total shitshow. |
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Posted: 9/15/2018 1:06:16 PM EDT
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Having carried a weapon with a forward assist in some extremely austere environments and having seen private snuffy treat them like shit for over a year at a time in said austere environments I feel comfortable keeping my forward assist.
Thanks for the concern though. |
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Posted: 9/15/2018 1:19:49 PM EDT
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No, says common sense. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Says the N00b with 100 posts
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Posted: 9/15/2018 2:56:51 PM EDT
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Never in 25 yrs of service have a ever seen a forward assist fail. CSB |
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Posted: 9/16/2018 3:28:36 AM EDT
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I think they're unnecessary for sure, but an AR-15 looks weird without one now. This is such a remote possibility though that I don't really care.
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Posted: 9/16/2018 3:31:12 AM EDT
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I've used them and have never had one fail. I'll keep it. You are just as likely to have any other freak failure, and far more likely to have one of MANY more common failures. |
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