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Posted: 2/4/2020 9:08:31 AM EDT
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Midwest Industries Combat Sights
https://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/Combat-Rifle-Sight-Set-p/mi-crs-set.htm |
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Posted: 2/4/2020 9:12:56 AM EDT
[#2]
Borbo makes a nice low profile set.
The Bobro Engineering LowRider sights are designed from the start to be an extremely low profile set of BUIS for a specific purpose. Many Short Barreled Rifle owners have run into an issue with figuring out how to mount a set of BUIS on the upper and still fit their needed Lights, Lasers and Optics. The idea was to make it so that the Rear Sight was so low profile that there was almost no possible way it could interfere with optics and the Front Sight could easily be mounted under the front arm of the optic mount. This keeps them out of the way, but can still be used in the even the primary optic has a failure. Even though these sights were designed to fill a specific need, they can still be used on a full size rifle in traditional BUIS positions as shown below. The LowRider sights still maintain all of the adjustability of a standard set of BUIS such as Windage and Elevation and lock in place when flipped up. Just press the button on the side to release them and they lay flat. |
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Posted: 2/4/2020 9:17:43 AM EDT
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Borbo makes a nice low profile set. https://cdn-us-ec.yottaa.net/53ff2f503c881650e20004c9/www.brownells.com/v~4b.10c/userdocs/products/p_100017857_2.jpg?yocs=p_ They are installed on this SBR:  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/4/2020 9:19:18 AM EDT
[#4]
Why not KAC?
With it being a pistol and adding an MRO, I get that being “clone correct” isn’t your primary goal, but the KAC sights are pretty much top tier clone or not. |
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Posted: 2/4/2020 9:22:32 AM EDT
[#5]
kac front / matech or kac rear
It is the way. |
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Posted: 2/4/2020 9:23:16 AM EDT
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Why not KAC? With it being a pistol and adding an MRO, I get that being “clone correct” isn’t your primary goal, but the KAC sights are pretty much top tier clone or not. |
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Posted: 2/4/2020 9:23:46 AM EDT
[#7]
Mbus pros are great too and super low profile. Way better than plastic mbus.
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Posted: 2/4/2020 9:42:00 AM EDT
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I definitely agree that KAC is the way to go, I am just looking for cheaper options that will do a DD some justice. And yes, cloning is not my primary goal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why not KAC? With it being a pistol and adding an MRO, I get that being “clone correct” isn’t your primary goal, but the KAC sights are pretty much top tier clone or not. |
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Posted: 2/4/2020 9:57:35 AM EDT
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Ultradyne makes an interesting one, https://ultradyneusa.com/product-category/sights/
or Bobro http://www.bobroengineering.com/Back-Up-Iron-Sights_c_31.html |
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Posted: 2/4/2020 10:22:49 AM EDT
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I have had just about every kind there are but I just keep going back to the old magpul plastic ones. If I wanted them as primary my opinion may change.
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Posted: 2/4/2020 10:29:52 AM EDT
[#11]
Because DD is sooooo high end?
My top 5 sights: 1. KAC 2. Magpul Mbus Pro 3. See #2 4. See #3 5. See #4 |
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Posted: 2/4/2020 11:41:54 AM EDT
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Midwest Industries Combat Sights https://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/Combat-Rifle-Sight-Set-p/mi-crs-set.htm Quote HistoryQuoted:
Midwest Industries Combat Sights https://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/Combat-Rifle-Sight-Set-p/mi-crs-set.htm Quoted:
Because DD is sooooo high end? |
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Posted: 2/4/2020 1:43:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seconded. I got a DD MK18 pistol and actually put the Midwest Industries Combat sights on it. That wasn't the question. Keep GD to GD. Thanks! |
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Posted: 2/4/2020 6:53:59 PM EDT
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Midwest Industries Combat Sights https://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/Combat-Rifle-Sight-Set-p/mi-crs-set.htm |
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Posted: 2/4/2020 7:06:40 PM EDT
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I’ll be the odd man out, there’s nothing wrong with the MBUS you currently have.
Unless you just have to have something different, any of the other options mentioned aren’t going to provide you with anything much different than what you already own. You certainly won’t notice a performance or durability increase. I know, MBUS don’t look “tier juan,” but I say put that money towards something else. WML, sling, new trigger, more ammo, etc. |
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Posted: 2/4/2020 8:08:47 PM EDT
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I’ll be the odd man out, there’s nothing wrong with the MBUS you currently have. Unless you just have to have something different, any of the other options mentioned aren’t going to provide you with anything much different than what you already own. You certainly won’t notice a performance or durability increase. I know, MBUS don’t look “tier juan,” but I say put that money towards something else. WML, sling, new trigger, more ammo, etc. I do really dig the MBUS PROs. After I add the MRO, a Geissele SSA trigger, an Inforce WML, and a Vickers sling, I'll add the PROs. In the meantime, the regular ol plastic MBUS will serve their purpose. The $200 SBR stamp will tighten up the package and maybe, MAYBE, someday a can to top it off. Thanks to everyone who had something value-added to contribute! |
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Posted: 2/6/2020 6:55:35 AM EDT
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I have been looking at BUIS for an 11.5 incher I recently picked up. The 1.5 MOA adjustment per click on the Midway Industries sights seems like a deal breaker to me. The Bobro sights looked really nice till I noticed there was only a single hinge point. It seems like a hinge on each side would make for a more robust sight. The single hinge would always make me wonder if it got knocked around. I think I have my choice narrowed down to the MBUS Pros or the newer Geissele BUIS. Wish I could see them mounted on a rail in person.
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Posted: 2/8/2020 9:01:43 AM EDT
[#18]
Griffin m2 (if rail is solid between pic slots)
Spikes are nice as well. They have a very thin sp |
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Posted: 2/8/2020 9:15:46 AM EDT
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Because DD is sooooo high end? My top 5 sights: 1. KAC 2. Magpul Mbus Pro 3. See #2 4. See #3 5. See #4 |
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Posted: 2/8/2020 11:49:26 AM EDT
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Check out ARMS #40 rear or their combo ..... they’ve been The Real Deal hard core sights longer than Anything else listed here in this thread.... Not the least $$$$ by a long shot but Extremely well made. Just exquisite craftsmanship
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Posted: 2/8/2020 12:37:15 PM EDT
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I have been looking at BUIS for an 11.5 incher I recently picked up. The 1.5 MOA adjustment per click on the Midway Industries sights seems like a deal breaker to me. The Bobro sights looked really nice till I noticed there was only a single hinge point. It seems like a hinge on each side would make for a more robust sight. The single hinge would always make me wonder if it got knocked around. I think I have my choice narrowed down to the MBUS Pros or the newer Geissele BUIS. Wish I could see them mounted on a rail in person. |
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Posted: 2/8/2020 12:42:59 PM EDT
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Check out ARMS #40 rear or their combo ..... they’ve been The Real Deal hard core sights longer than Anything else listed here in this thread.... Not the least $$$$ by a long shot but Extremely well made. Just exquisite craftsmanship H 
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Posted: 2/8/2020 5:42:41 PM EDT
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@ 1.5 MOA adjustments, you’d be <.75” from a perfect zero @ 100. Unless these sights are being used at Camp Perry, I don’t foresee you having any issues. |
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Posted: 2/8/2020 6:20:18 PM EDT
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People usually tend to want to ZERO their rifle. Not +/- .75" their rifle. The industry standard that I have noticed on all other BUIS is .5" adjustments, not 1.5". I just thought I would point that out to the OP. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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@ 1.5 MOA adjustments, you’d be <.75” from a perfect zero @ 100. Unless these sights are being used at Camp Perry, I don’t foresee you having any issues. 
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Posted: 2/10/2020 8:44:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I have been looking at BUIS for an 11.5 incher I recently picked up. The 1.5 MOA adjustment per click on the Midway Industries sights seems like a deal breaker to me. The Bobro sights looked really nice till I noticed there was only a single hinge point. It seems like a hinge on each side would make for a more robust sight. The single hinge would always make me wonder if it got knocked around. I think I have my choice narrowed down to the MBUS Pros or the newer Geissele BUIS. Wish I could see them mounted on a rail in person. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I have been looking at BUIS for an 11.5 incher I recently picked up. The 1.5 MOA adjustment per click on the Midway Industries sights seems like a deal breaker to me. The Bobro sights looked really nice till I noticed there was only a single hinge point. It seems like a hinge on each side would make for a more robust sight. The single hinge would always make me wonder if it got knocked around. I think I have my choice narrowed down to the MBUS Pros or the newer Geissele BUIS. Wish I could see them mounted on a rail in person. Quoted:
People usually tend to want to ZERO their rifle. Not +/- .75" their rifle. The industry standard that I have noticed on all other BUIS is .5" adjustments, not 1.5". I just thought I would point that out to the OP. From Midwest Industries website for the rear sight: Rifle .5 MOA / Carbine .65 MOA click adjustments 1.5 MOA is for the Midwest Industries FRONT sight is quite normal. Magpul Pro front sight is 1 MOA per click. On an A2 FSB sight it's 1.25 MOA per click. On Magpul polymer sights it is 1.6 MOA per click. Where on earth do you get that industry standard for front sights is 0.5 MOA per click??? |
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Posted: 2/10/2020 10:51:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't even catch that earlier. Lol. What a douche |
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Posted: 2/10/2020 11:27:01 PM EDT
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How is he a douche for an accurate answer? Daniel Defense is mil spec nothing more. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I didn't even catch that earlier. Lol. What a douche Quoted:
Because DD is sooooo high end? |
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Posted: 2/11/2020 1:13:38 AM EDT
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How is he a douche for an accurate answer? Daniel Defense is mil spec nothing more. 2. Milspec, but Daniel Defense also have military issue products (ie the RIS II rail). That's generally a positive sign of quality, especially given who uses the MK18 in the US military. 3. Whether or not DD is "high end" is an irrelevant subject in a thread where the OP is inquiring on FLIP SIGHTS. By making a GD off tangent statement, he is a douche. |
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Posted: 2/11/2020 2:44:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1. The OP stated his wife was getting him a DD MK18 pistol. The question was about what flip up sights he should get. 2. Milspec, but Daniel Defense also have military issue products (ie the RIS II rail). That's generally a positive sign of quality, especially given who uses the MK18 in the US military. 3. Whether or not DD is "high end" is an irrelevant subject in a thread where the OP is inquiring on FLIP SIGHTS. By making a GD off tangent statement, he is a douche. |
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Posted: 2/11/2020 3:17:44 AM EDT
[#30]
If not the KAC BUIS then the KAC Micro BUIS. Everything else is for the birds.
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Posted: 2/11/2020 10:11:11 AM EDT
[#31]
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Because DD is sooooo high end? My top 5 sights: 1. KAC 2. Magpul Mbus Pro 3. See #2 4. See #3 5. See #4 |
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Posted: 2/11/2020 1:15:24 PM EDT
[#32]
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Check out ARMS #40 rear or their combo ..... they’ve been The Real Deal hard core sights longer than Anything else listed here in this thread.... Not the least $$$$ by a long shot but Extremely well made. Just exquisite craftsmanship H |
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Posted: 2/11/2020 7:43:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not sure where you get 1.5 MOA from? From Midwest Industries website for the rear sight: Rifle .5 MOA / Carbine .65 MOA click adjustments 1.5 MOA is for the Midwest Industries FRONT sight is quite normal. Magpul Pro front sight is 1 MOA per click. On an A2 FSB sight it's 1.25 MOA per click. On Magpul polymer sights it is 1.6 MOA per click. Where on earth do you get that industry standard for front sights is 0.5 MOA per click??? |
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Posted: 2/11/2020 9:35:09 PM EDT
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I never specified front or rear sight. Simply pointed out the 1.5" MOA adjustment on the Midwest Industries sights was more that any other sight I have seen. I'm sure you don't want to hear this but the front sight on the Troy BUIS is .5" MOA adjustments per their website. Perhaps I misused the term "industry standard" but 1.5" sure isn't it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Not sure where you get 1.5 MOA from? From Midwest Industries website for the rear sight: Rifle .5 MOA / Carbine .65 MOA click adjustments 1.5 MOA is for the Midwest Industries FRONT sight is quite normal. Magpul Pro front sight is 1 MOA per click. On an A2 FSB sight it's 1.25 MOA per click. On Magpul polymer sights it is 1.6 MOA per click. Where on earth do you get that industry standard for front sights is 0.5 MOA per click??? I don’t see how Troy’s website is possibly correct either, given they utilize a FSP of a standard thread pitch, and with standard A2 90 degree/4-sided adjustment detents. Their MOA should be around 1.5 MOA (depending on distance from rear sight) like everyone else’s (to include MI’s) front sight since, functionally, their front sight *is* everyone else’s front sight. The only way their front sight elevation adjusts .5 MOA is if it’s on a handguard a few yards long. What is more likely is that someone copy/pasted the windage adjustments from their rear sights, which are (roughly), .5 MOA. Rear sight windage has always been around 3X more sensitive than front sight elevation. For reference, see an M16A2/M16A4 zeroing target.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 12:54:28 AM EDT
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I never specified front or rear sight. Simply pointed out the 1.5" MOA adjustment on the Midwest Industries sights was more that any other sight I have seen. I'm sure you don't want to hear this but the front sight on the Troy BUIS is .5" MOA adjustments per their website. Perhaps I misused the term "industry standard" but 1.5" sure isn't it. Why wouldn't I want to hear that the Troy BUIS is 0.5 MOA? I had a set at one point, sold them on the EE here. I guess it's a nice feature but definitely not standard. Considering people can hit 300 yard targets with crappy 1 MOA and higher elevation adjustments? I mean really. |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 7:07:46 AM EDT
[#36]
Geissele states on their website that their front sight has .5" MOA adjustments.
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Posted: 2/12/2020 8:53:45 AM EDT
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Geissele states on their website that their front sight has .5" MOA adjustments. It isn’t a function of the front sight itself as much as it is a function of A) the distance between the front/rear sights, and B) how many detents the FSP itself has. And as an aside, I want to pick up a set of the G BUIS now that I finally have a SD rifle. Mostly to match the DDC color scheme though. I’m sure they’re nice, but if it weren’t for that I’d just as soon pick up another set of KACs. Maybe OP should toss them in the ‘maybe pile’ though. |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 10:11:07 AM EDT
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I have experience with the kac and mbus pro. I recommend both. I have never used the Midwest industries sights, but have other products from them and would be confident in purchasing them. I personally think the mbus polymer sights are ridiculous for back up sights. The point of back up sights are to have them when, or if your primary optic fails. Those plastic sights Are more likely to fail before any proven primary optics.
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Posted: 2/12/2020 10:14:16 AM EDT
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You guys should have back up sights to your back up sights and it may be a good idea to use 45* offset backups to that you know just in case.
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Posted: 2/12/2020 7:09:26 PM EDT
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Troy...Back and Front.
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Posted: 2/12/2020 9:45:22 PM EDT
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I just put some Troy HK flip ups in mine. The Troy sights are my preferred sights.
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Posted: 2/15/2020 5:23:13 PM EDT
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I was finally able to see some MBUS Pros mounted on a rifle and I have to say these will definitely be the way I am going. I would love the KACs but not at their price point. The Troy's are battle proven, but also pretty bulky. The Magpuls feel rock solid, are very compact, and at $150 a set.... Done deal.
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Posted: 2/15/2020 11:44:13 PM EDT
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I was finally able to see some MBUS Pros mounted on a rifle and I have to say these will definitely be the way I am going. I would love the KACs but not at their price point. The Troy's are battle proven, but also pretty bulky. The Magpuls feel rock solid, are very compact, and at $150 a set.... Done deal. |
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Posted: 2/16/2020 2:32:00 AM EDT
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If not the KAC BUIS then the KAC Micro BUIS. Everything else is for the birds. |
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Posted: 2/16/2020 11:13:07 AM EDT
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Lol theres a dozen other BUIS that do the same job just as well at a much reduced cost. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If not the KAC BUIS then the KAC Micro BUIS. Everything else is for the birds. |
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Posted: 2/16/2020 11:27:50 AM EDT
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there's always the option of no buis
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Posted: 2/16/2020 8:31:45 PM EDT
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You’re not trying to clone so I’d say the Magpul MBUS PRO set would be great for you.
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Posted: 2/20/2020 1:34:20 PM EDT
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Lol theres a dozen other BUIS that do the same job just as well at a much reduced cost. |
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Posted: 2/20/2020 6:06:07 PM EDT
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The KAC BUIS are bombproof. They also utilize a very thin (see: precise) front sight post, unlike nearly everything else on the market. 2. If a bomb has hit you, you have other concerns to worry about. |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 11:01:02 AM EDT
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I went with the MBUS Pro's. I like how low profile they are but yet feel like they're built like a tank. Didn't end up getting the MRO yet. I'd really prefer the new HD model but I am going to wait and see if the prices come down after a while.
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