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Posted: 9/29/2018 12:03:50 AM EDT

All of this talk about XM193 has me a bit confused and wondering. It looks like Federal makes 3 different types of XM193. American Eagle (the ol stand by), Frontier (with the Hornady bullet), and Independence.

Now all three are M193 clones, and all three are from Federal. Frontier's distinction is easy, it is made with the Hornady bullet. However, what is the difference between American Eagle XM193 and Independence XM193? Why have two different types of "XM193" in the same packaging? Are they made to different specs, or made from different factories? Anyone have any info on this? I heard that Independence used to be made in Israel, but is now made in America. Very confusing!

Posted: 9/29/2018 12:35:09 AM EDT

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Found this:

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https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?133070-Federal-(Independence)-XM193i

Posted: 9/29/2018 8:44:48 AM EDT

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I understood the independence ammo is made in Israel with components shipped from the US.

The federal and American Eagle are just different boxes

Posted: 9/29/2018 8:49:46 AM EDT

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That post was from 2013 though. From what I've heard, Independence used to say made in Israel, and now it says made in USA. So is it made in USA now from the Lake city plant? And is so, what distinguishes it from American Eagle XM193?

Posted: 9/29/2018 10:48:05 AM EDT

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You will lose your mind trying to figure out differences between the various M193 clones. Even from the same manufacturer (name brand) they will make big changes from lot to lot ie Made in Israel vs. Made in USA. They will change powders, bullets, and change velocity specs out of the blue.

And once you find out which is the best for you, the manufacturer will change something.

I try to use Federal XM193 using LC brass. IMI is OK but accuracy varies from lot to lot.

Personally, I'd just get Wolf Gold and hope they don't change their winning formula.

Posted: 9/29/2018 11:02:49 AM EDT

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I'm just curious if Independence is still made in Israel, or if it's made in USA now?

Posted: 9/29/2018 11:20:13 AM EDT

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Personally, I'd just get Wolf Gold and hope they don't change their winning formula.

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WG is my favorite range ammo.

Posted: 9/29/2018 5:40:13 PM EDT

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Independence has been covered.

Federal (owned by Vista) does not make M193. They buy it from the current tenant of Lake City. It’s all made from Lake City materials.

Frontier M193 is a Hornady product. Hornady sends the projectile to Lake City where it is loaded into cases made at Lake City and with propellant provided by Lake City. I don’t think they require sealant like milspec M193 either.

Posted: 9/29/2018 6:10:59 PM EDT

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I don't think Independence has been covered as it is no longer made in Israel to my understanding.

Posted: 9/30/2018 12:14:39 AM EDT

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As recent as October 2017 it was, according to Target Sports USA:

"Federal Independence 5.56x45mm NATO Ammo 55 Grain Full Metal Jacket Boat Tail ammunition is made in Israel by IMI".

Currently? I cannot say for certain.

Posted: 9/30/2018 4:25:35 PM EDT

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I think Independence is like a "Wolf" for ATK products in that they source ammo from a variety of places: Federal, LC, CCI....Thus, components may change without notification from lot to lot.

Posted: 9/30/2018 8:58:40 PM EDT

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That is my understanding also. For M193 clones the Tiwanese have had by far the most consistency with wolf gold than any other 55gr I've tried.

Posted: 9/30/2018 11:32:37 PM EDT

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That is my understanding also. For M193 clones the Tiwanese have had by far the most consistency with wolf gold than any other 55gr I've tried.

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I think Independence is like a "Wolf" for ATK products in that they source ammo from a variety of places: Federal, LC, CCI....Thus, components may change without notification from lot to lot.

That is my understanding also. For M193 clones the Tiwanese have had by far the most consistency with wolf gold than any other 55gr I've tried.

Then you haven't tried Magtech yet.

Posted: 10/1/2018 7:12:17 AM EDT

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Then you haven't tried Magtech yet.

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I think Independence is like a "Wolf" for ATK products in that they source ammo from a variety of places: Federal, LC, CCI....Thus, components may change without notification from lot to lot.

That is my understanding also. For M193 clones the Tiwanese have had by far the most consistency with wolf gold than any other 55gr I've tried.

Then you haven't tried Magtech yet.

Magtech is advertised as 3270 fps at the muzzle.
Wolf Gold averages 3265 fps at the muzzle( confirmed in multiple private tests). WG will hold 2 moa or less at 100 yrds. And lot to lot consistency is spot on.

Never shot Magtech in a rifle, shot alot of WG though.

Eta: Plus, there is this little perk here for WG:
"Buy Wolf ammunition with confidence, Wolf ammo is backed by the importer with a 100% satisfaction guarantee, if you are not happy with the products performance Wolf will buy it back for a full refund." WIN.