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Colt 6920 No Roll Marks (Page 3 of 3)
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Originally Posted By Gen4Glock19:
I'm not smart cuz I don't consider a manufacturing defect a collectable? I did not read the whole thread so if im missing something, perhaps I'm wrong. I just read a bunch of posts saying "keep it!" "it's a collector's item!" 13'er....nuff said. 
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Originally Posted By mbf11:
I could be wrong because I am not our ATF compliancy officer but I think you need MFG, Location of MFG, Model, Serial, and Caliber Generally the same information that is required for the A&D book as well as the 4473 Originally Posted By mbf11:
Originally Posted By Medicfrost:
Originally Posted By mbf11:
First: keep it! second: that's awesome! Third: quality control... final inspection...??? Fourth: pretty sure does NOT meet ATF requirements for proper information on a firearm Fifth: How did your dealer miss that? not company biased, I own 6 ponies 
As long as it has serial number, manufacture stamp (Colt, Hartford Ct), how can it not be legal? I could be wrong because I am not our ATF compliancy officer but I think you need MFG, Location of MFG, Model, Serial, and Caliber Generally the same information that is required for the A&D book as well as the 4473 This. |
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Originally Posted By Triumphman:
DO NOT RETURN. Get a documented statement from Colt to verify what you have is REAL. See if Colt will send you another Serialed Lower to your FFL, so you can put this in your Collection. You hit paydirt with this and Colt knows it. Really? How exactly is this pay dirt? That rifle will be worth $1,000 twenty years from now. That's if he can convince the buyer it is a 6920. Some guy at the factory got lazy and QC failed and you guys think this is gonna make it worth $$$$$ to a collector. Not trying to rain on the parade but I don't think this makes it a collectible. |
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Originally Posted By Mikhail_86:
Whoo looks like I found me a badass y'all! Originally Posted By Mikhail_86:
Originally Posted By Gen4Glock19:
Originally Posted By Mikhail_86:
Originally Posted By Gen4Glock19:
I'm not smart cuz I don't consider a manufacturing defect a collectable? I did not read the whole thread so if im missing something, perhaps I'm wrong. I just read a bunch of posts saying "keep it!" "it's a collector's item!" Mistakes in most forms are collectible and valuable, shit I remember some bitch paying something crazy like $100,000 for a fucking beanie baby that was missing a leg Laughable. Chances of you having a better job than me are 0. Carry on. Whoo looks like I found me a badass y'all! Yea, a 13er that doesn't read the whole post, and shoots his mouth off. 
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Originally Posted By Dana1972:
Really? How exactly is this pay dirt? That rifle will be worth $1,000 twenty years from now. That's if he can convince the buyer it is a 6920. Some guy at the factory got lazy and QC failed and you guys think this is gonna make it worth $$$$$ to a collector. Not trying to rain on the parade but I don't think this makes it a collectible. Originally Posted By Dana1972:
Originally Posted By Triumphman:
DO NOT RETURN. Get a documented statement from Colt to verify what you have is REAL. See if Colt will send you another Serialed Lower to your FFL, so you can put this in your Collection. You hit paydirt with this and Colt knows it. Really? How exactly is this pay dirt? That rifle will be worth $1,000 twenty years from now. That's if he can convince the buyer it is a 6920. Some guy at the factory got lazy and QC failed and you guys think this is gonna make it worth $$$$$ to a collector. Not trying to rain on the parade but I don't think this makes it a collectible. I would have to agree with this, I cant recall any firearm thats a collectable due to a mistake. Usually collectables are limited in numbers. Dont you guys watch pawn stars. It is very unique and I would keep it, but if i was in the market for one I probably wouldnt consider it. |
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!! I havent ever seen any colts that dont have the model numbers on them, so I see it as a item that can't be bought as so, so in turn it makes it RARE! This rarity does make it apealling to collectors of colts maybe not as much as older colts but it does have SOME value over just a regular colt m4 off the shelve.
I can only compare it to.... Imagine a glock 17 pistol missing the "17" and "9mm" stamping but still has the glock logo on the slide. Maybe not for some collectors but someone, SOMEONE would pay high dollar for it! Kind of like those early model G26s without the fingergrooves no really RARE but rare enough for someone to play high dollar for. So in turn, Yea I would keep this Colt because it is a rarity and dont let anyone tell you it isnt!! BTW I want to see more pics of the lower!!!! 
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Originally Posted By ajacobs:
Model numbers are required to engraved or stamped by the ATF. But that is a failure on colts part not a problem on yours. I would guess that no one would consider you in possession of something illegal, it isn't as if you are the one who removed it. We use model numbers like 6920, but that is really something separate and different than what is reported to the ATF. They get whatever is marked, like m4 carbine, sporter, sporter lightweight etc. Who's going to turn Henry Repeating Arms into the ATF? Are calibers supposed to be engraved into receivers? Somebody better call the ATF and turn in Smith and Wesson for not marking all the M&P15 receivers. |
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Originally Posted By PraesulPresul1:
I agree it is collectible but for how much can be debated. Mistakes always are collectible. I agree with the fanboy "blank canvas" idea. As stated, save everything (box, receipt, paperwork, etc). In for more pics. Also, buy a $150 PSA lower or something to throw on that upper and keep that one in new condition. |
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Originally Posted By Gen4Glock19:
I'm not smart cuz I don't consider a manufacturing defect a collectable? I did not read the whole thread so if im missing something, perhaps I'm wrong. I just read a bunch of posts saying "keep it!" "it's a collector's item!" I think your question answers itself. As to the OP, 
Very cool find. |
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It most certainly is collectible. For most collectibles defects that do not inhibit function and misprints carry a premium, but for government issued currency it can sometimes double or triple the value, or add value to something that usually has no value. You know why? Because they control the process very tightly, and destroy any mistakes they can find. Since it is mandated that rifles have specific information printed on them, and there are a lot more dollars put out than Colt M4s, Colt controls this several orders of magnitude more than dollars.
This rifle definitely is worth more than a rifle that is marked regularly. However, don't expect it to be worth 10x as much. It could possibly be worth 1.5-2x as much right now. It depends on what someone is willing to pay for it really. Just look at the fact that 100 people say keep it it's collectible, and only 3 say it's not a collectible (they're jelly). You really should keep quiet about it though. I wouldn't alert the dealer or manufacturer to the mistake (but you already did it looks like), and you now have a loud post on the Internet. Do not show a picture of the other side of the receiver. As of now there is no proof that all the required markings are not on the rifle, but if you document every square inch of the lower, you leave no doubt. Also, it doesn't matter if the caliber is stamped on the barrel - all the info has to be on the lower, as it's the only part that is considered a firearm. The barrel markings are more for ID and internal QC, and to meet Military Specs. The lower markings are to meet ATF requirements. Here is the information that a manufacturer is required to put on a firearm to legally sale it, as outlined in 27 CFR 478.92(a)(1) § 478.92 How must licensed manufacturers and licensed importers identify firearms, armor piercing ammunition, and large capacity ammunition feeding devices? (a) (1) Firearms. You, as a licensed manufacturer or licensed importer of firearms, must legibly identify each firearm manufactured or imported as follows: (i) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed) or placed on the frame or receiver thereof an individual serial number. The serial number must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered, or removed, and must not duplicate any serial number placed by you on any other firearm. For firearms manufactured or imported on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of the serial number must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size no smaller than 1/16 inch; and (ii) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed) or placed on the frame, receiver, or barrel thereof certain additional information. This information must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered, or removed. For firearms manufactured or imported on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of this information must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch. The additional information includes: (A) The model, if such designation has been made; (B) The caliber or gauge; (C) Your name (or recognized abbreviation) and also, when applicable, the name of the foreign manufacturer; (D) In the case of a domestically made firearm, the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the manufacturer maintain your place of business; and (E) In the case of an imported firearm, the name of the country in which it was manufactured and the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the importer maintain your place of business. For additional requirements relating to imported firearms, see Customs regulations at 19 CFR part 134. (2) Firearm frames or receivers. A firearm frame or receiver that is not a component part of a complete weapon at the time it is sold, shipped, or otherwise disposed of by you must be identified as required by this section. |
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Originally Posted By MajorJustice:
It most certainly is collectible. For most collectibles defects that do not inhibit function and misprints carry a premium, but for government issued currency it can sometimes double or triple the value, or add value to something that usually has no value. You know why? Because they control the process very tightly, and destroy any mistakes they can find. Since it is mandated that rifles have specific information printed on them, and there are a lot more dollars put out than Colt M4s, Colt controls this several orders of magnitude more than dollars. This rifle definitely is worth more than a rifle that is marked regularly. However, don't expect it to be worth 10x as much. It could possibly be worth 1.5-2x as much right now. It depends on what someone is willing to pay for it really. Just look at the fact that 100 people say keep it it's collectible, and only 3 say it's not a collectible (they're jelly). You really should keep quiet about it though. I wouldn't alert the dealer or manufacturer to the mistake (but you already did it looks like), and you now have a loud post on the Internet. Do not show a picture of the other side of the receiver. As of now there is no proof that all the required markings are not on the rifle, but if you document every square inch of the lower, you leave no doubt. Also, it doesn't matter if the caliber is stamped on the barrel - all the info has to be on the lower, as it's the only part that is considered a firearm. The barrel markings are more for ID and internal QC, and to meet Military Specs. The lower markings are to meet ATF requirements. Here is the information that a manufacturer is required to put on a firearm to legally sale it, as outlined in 27 CFR 478.92(a)(1) Originally Posted By MajorJustice:
It most certainly is collectible. For most collectibles defects that do not inhibit function and misprints carry a premium, but for government issued currency it can sometimes double or triple the value, or add value to something that usually has no value. You know why? Because they control the process very tightly, and destroy any mistakes they can find. Since it is mandated that rifles have specific information printed on them, and there are a lot more dollars put out than Colt M4s, Colt controls this several orders of magnitude more than dollars. This rifle definitely is worth more than a rifle that is marked regularly. However, don't expect it to be worth 10x as much. It could possibly be worth 1.5-2x as much right now. It depends on what someone is willing to pay for it really. Just look at the fact that 100 people say keep it it's collectible, and only 3 say it's not a collectible (they're jelly). You really should keep quiet about it though. I wouldn't alert the dealer or manufacturer to the mistake (but you already did it looks like), and you now have a loud post on the Internet. Do not show a picture of the other side of the receiver. As of now there is no proof that all the required markings are not on the rifle, but if you document every square inch of the lower, you leave no doubt. Also, it doesn't matter if the caliber is stamped on the barrel - all the info has to be on the lower, as it's the only part that is considered a firearm. The barrel markings are more for ID and internal QC, and to meet Military Specs. The lower markings are to meet ATF requirements. Here is the information that a manufacturer is required to put on a firearm to legally sale it, as outlined in 27 CFR 478.92(a)(1) § 478.92 How must licensed manufacturers and licensed importers identify firearms, armor piercing ammunition, and large capacity ammunition feeding devices? (a) (1) Firearms. You, as a licensed manufacturer or licensed importer of firearms, must legibly identify each firearm manufactured or imported as follows: (i) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed) or placed on the frame or receiver thereof an individual serial number. The serial number must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered, or removed, and must not duplicate any serial number placed by you on any other firearm. For firearms manufactured or imported on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of the serial number must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size no smaller than 1/16 inch; and (ii) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed) or placed on the frame, receiver, or barrel thereof certain additional information. This information must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered, or removed. For firearms manufactured or imported on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of this information must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch. The additional information includes: (A) The model, if such designation has been made; (B) The caliber or gauge; (C) Your name (or recognized abbreviation) and also, when applicable, the name of the foreign manufacturer; (D) In the case of a domestically made firearm, the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the manufacturer maintain your place of business; and (E) In the case of an imported firearm, the name of the country in which it was manufactured and the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the importer maintain your place of business. For additional requirements relating to imported firearms, see Customs regulations at 19 CFR part 134. (2) Firearm frames or receivers. A firearm frame or receiver that is not a component part of a complete weapon at the time it is sold, shipped, or otherwise disposed of by you must be identified as required by this section. If you are worried about it you can send it my way and I will replace it the exact same model. |
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When it comes to things people collect ( like colt firearms or first editions of anything) a mistake or typo DRAMATICALLY increases the value.
It's likely there are others that didn't get stamped when this was made, but if this rifle is truly the only one that didn't get the full stamping then you have something truly special that someday could be worth a great deal to collectors, but at the very least will always be worth more than you paid. To anyone who disagrees, that is your right, I bet you would not pay for a rare first edition of great expectations where the author name on the cover is "Charles duckens " I'm sure th op has already had offers, but I understand the viewpoint that some collectors take things too far, but I don't see that here if this rifle is a one off or even 1-100. |
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Originally Posted By Wtxshooter:
When it comes to things people collect ( like colt firearms or first editions of anything) a mistake or typo DRAMATICALLY increases the value. It's likely there are others that didn't get stamped when this was made, but if this rifle is truly the only one that didn't get the full stamping then you have something truly special that someday could be worth a great deal to collectors, but at the very least will always be worth more than you paid. To anyone who disagrees, that is your right, I bet you would not pay for a rare first edition of great expectations where the author name on the cover is "Charles duckens " I'm sure th op has already had offers, but I understand the viewpoint that some collectors take things too far, but I don't see that here if this rifle is a one off or even 1-100. Not even close, books and guns = apples and oranges. Would a car missing all the badges and trim from factory be worth more than the same car that came with all the badges and trim? |
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