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Originally Posted By UtahShotgunner: Does "the defendant" = Braceman in this statement? I have no idea what's going on in regard to outstanding or settled criminal charges, but I can't bring myself to post that it looks like the defendant in those documents got jammed up on legit charges. |
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Originally Posted By cherenkov: I love the quote "highly regulated Short Barrel Rifle" which is almost a gray definition the ATF and most citizens do not (or rather have not) had a fine definition of. yea that ranks right up there with a "highly regulated bible" |
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Lawyer here. Did a search for his name on Pacer. No arrests and no case as of a few days ago . It's possible there is a forfeiture case, they have weird names like United States vs. 3 CNC Machines and Drill Bits or whatever. Not sure how to search or if "search by name" an option, but so far he's not in the clink, so that is good. It is also possible there's a sealed indictment or he's cooperating. Don't know the man and don't mean to cast any aspersions, just saying they put people in terrible positions, do 20 years or cooperate that sort of thing. If it's a counterfeiting/trademark forfeiture thing, hopefully it's the end of it for him. Frequently, they settle simply for confiscation or destruction or sale. Sad these companies wouldn't sell licenses to make it a "win win" for cloners. |
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Originally Posted By Publius: Lawyer here. Did a search for his name on Pacer. No arrests and no case as of a few days ago . It's possible there is a forfeiture case, they have weird names like United States vs. 3 CNC Machines and Drill Bits or whatever. Not sure how to search or if "search by name" an option, but so far he's not in the clink, so that is good. It is also possible there's a sealed indictment or he's cooperating. Don't know the man and don't mean to cast any aspersions, just saying they put people in terrible positions, do 20 years or cooperate that sort of thing. If it's a counterfeiting/trademark forfeiture thing, hopefully it's the end of it for him. Frequently, they settle simply for confiscation or destruction or sale. Sad these companies wouldn't sell licenses to make it a "win win" for cloners. My concern is the machine guns they confiscated. |
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| If anyone is interested, I equipped a trifecta of his special proto-style FSBs, tri-prong flash hiders, and bipod collars onto a pretty darn faithful BRN-PROTO replica of Armalite #000001, up for grabs still on everyone's favorite site, GB...just in case braceman is perhaps forever nevermore in terms of producing these custom one-offs... |
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Originally Posted By bigbore: My concern is the machine guns they confiscated. Machine guns like this? Posted: 12/1/2016 2:21:21 PM EDT [#6] Just off the phone with Victor at US Anodizing. Here's the poop. The ATF agent has concerns regarding the fake sear pin engraving. Wants to check and make sure that that engraving doesn't classify those receivers as MGs, and I don't mean the car. Victor's only holding aside about 4 receivers that have these "sear pin " engravings. Sounds like all others are fine. Uppers arent even on the radar I guess. |
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Originally Posted By PepePewPew: Machine guns like this? Posted: 12/1/2016 2:21:21 PM EDT [#6] Just off the phone with Victor at US Anodizing. Here's the poop. The ATF agent has concerns regarding the fake sear pin engraving. Wants to check and make sure that that engraving doesn't classify those receivers as MGs, and I don't mean the car. Victor's only holding aside about 4 receivers that have these "sear pin " engravings. Sounds like all others are fine. Uppers arent even on the radar I guess. It's the same Federal government that declared a show string to be a machine gun so .... |
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Originally Posted By sixers79: If anyone is interested, I equipped a trifecta of his special proto-style FSBs, tri-prong flash hiders, and bipod collars onto a pretty darn faithful BRN-PROTO replica of Armalite #000001, up for grabs still on everyone's favorite site, GB...just in case braceman is perhaps forever nevermore in terms of producing these custom one-offs... So you’re donating the funds to Braceman right? That or you’re trying to profit off of his misfortune because “brceman is perhaps nevermore….” I hope I’m just reading your post wrong otherwise seams like a real slimy thing to be posting in this thread |
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Originally Posted By sixers79: If anyone is interested, I equipped a trifecta of his special proto-style FSBs, tri-prong flash hiders, and bipod collars onto a pretty darn faithful BRN-PROTO replica of Armalite #000001, up for grabs still on everyone's favorite site, GB...just in case braceman is perhaps forever nevermore in terms of producing these custom one-offs... are we supposed to guess? uppers, complete rifles, barrels? Could be anything and only see uppers posted at the same price they've sat unsold for all year |
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Originally Posted By PepePewPew: Machine guns like this? Posted: 12/1/2016 2:21:21 PM EDT [#6] Just off the phone with Victor at US Anodizing. Here's the poop. The ATF agent has concerns regarding the fake sear pin engraving. Wants to check and make sure that that engraving doesn't classify those receivers as MGs, and I don't mean the car. Victor's only holding aside about 4 receivers that have these "sear pin " engravings. Sounds like all others are fine. Uppers arent even on the radar I guess. These 
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Originally Posted By PGT_0673: are we supposed to guess? uppers, complete rifles, barrels? Could be anything and only see uppers posted at the same price they've sat unsold for all year Originally Posted By PGT_0673: Originally Posted By sixers79: If anyone is interested, I equipped a trifecta of his special proto-style FSBs, tri-prong flash hiders, and bipod collars onto a pretty darn faithful BRN-PROTO replica of Armalite #000001, up for grabs still on everyone's favorite site, GB...just in case braceman is perhaps forever nevermore in terms of producing these custom one-offs... are we supposed to guess? uppers, complete rifles, barrels? Could be anything and only see uppers posted at the same price they've sat unsold for all year Looks like an opportunist trying to take advantage of the situation to me. Not someone I would do business with. Seems like a real sleezy thing to do while a man is having his life ruined by the ATF and he see’s it as his chance to cash in. |
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Originally Posted By bigbore: Originally Posted By PepePewPew: Machine guns like this? Posted: 12/1/2016 2:21:21 PM EDT [#6] Just off the phone with Victor at US Anodizing. Here's the poop. The ATF agent has concerns regarding the fake sear pin engraving. Wants to check and make sure that that engraving doesn't classify those receivers as MGs, and I don't mean the car. Victor's only holding aside about 4 receivers that have these "sear pin " engravings. Sounds like all others are fine. Uppers arent even on the radar I guess. These https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/344998/bMAN2-3577350.jpg Mp5k for $425? I'll take 10 please. |
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Are those his personal machine guns? Or are they not machine gun, machine guns, since he didn't work on anything that was a firearm? |
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: Mp5k for $425? I'll take 10 please. Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: Originally Posted By bigbore: Originally Posted By PepePewPew: Machine guns like this? Posted: 12/1/2016 2:21:21 PM EDT [#6] Just off the phone with Victor at US Anodizing. Here's the poop. The ATF agent has concerns regarding the fake sear pin engraving. Wants to check and make sure that that engraving doesn't classify those receivers as MGs, and I don't mean the car. Victor's only holding aside about 4 receivers that have these "sear pin " engravings. Sounds like all others are fine. Uppers arent even on the radar I guess. These https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/344998/bMAN2-3577350.jpg Mp5k for $425? I'll take 10 please. No sh!+  I'll take 10 of each. 
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Originally Posted By AK-12: Reads like they're short-dicking him on value. Uncompensated takings and stuff. These items are unregistered machine guns - contraband. If anything they are fucking him by giving them value. |
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Originally Posted By JamesAR: Are those his personal machine guns? Or are they not machine gun, machine guns, since he didn't work on anything that was a firearm? Unregistered personal machine guns possessed by someone who wasn't a licensed dealer or manufacturer is usually a bad thing. |
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Originally Posted By Into_the_Void: I wonder how the ATF found out My guess: "CI" or "Confidential Informant" Usually someone hemmed up for a different charge trying to snitch on a bigger fish to reduce their chance of jail time. Unless someone has seen charging documents or the search warrant we really have no idea what went down. A few entries on a civil forfeiture list is not convincing evidence of anything. |
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Originally Posted By Into_the_Void: I wonder how the ATF found out A few years ago John talked about a guy who he did work that was asking him to do super sketchy things. He didn't get into specifics, but the guy was pretty adamant - enough so that he came up in conversation. The guy he was talking about is awaiting sentencing on a felony conviction right now. My money is on that guy being the CI, but I have no idea. I haven't talked to John since this happened, and none of our mutual friends have heard from him either. |
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Originally Posted By bigbore: Unregistered personal machine guns possessed by someone who wasn't a licensed dealer or manufacturer is usually a bad thing. Originally Posted By bigbore: Originally Posted By JamesAR: Are those his personal machine guns? Or are they not machine gun, machine guns, since he didn't work on anything that was a firearm? Unregistered personal machine guns possessed by someone who wasn't a licensed dealer or manufacturer is usually a bad thing. Bad like 10 years in prison and $250,000 possible fine for each violation. People! Please obey the law, regardless of whether you believe in it or not. Making an SBR at home requires zero mechanical skills, getting gang raped by the government or your new roommates doesn't require any skills either. People who disobey these laws make headlines, headlines that the enemies of freedom like to point to. I know nothing regarding the facts of this case, but if you own a CNC and are responsible for the programming, I suggest that you review your files to ensure that nothing potentially illegal is stored in your hard drives. |
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Originally Posted By borderpatrol: Bad like 10 years in prison and $250,000 possible fine for each violation. People! Please obey the law, regardless of whether you believe in it or not. Making an SBR at home requires zero mechanical skills, getting gang raped by the government or your new roommates doesn't require any skills either. People who disobey these laws make headlines, headlines that the enemies of freedom like to point to. I know nothing regarding the facts of this case, but if you own a CNC and are responsible for the programming, I suggest that you review your files to ensure that nothing potentially illegal is stored in your hard drives. This is good advice overall, however, the penalties for gangbangers who have glock switches usually aren't even close to 10 years or $250k. |
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Originally Posted By borderpatrol: Bad like 10 years in prison and $250,000 possible fine for each violation. People! Please obey the law, regardless of whether you believe in it or not. Making an SBR at home requires zero mechanical skills, getting gang raped by the government or your new roommates doesn't require any skills either. People who disobey these laws make headlines, headlines that the enemies of freedom like to point to. I know nothing regarding the facts of this case, but if you own a CNC and are responsible for the programming, I suggest that you review your files to ensure that nothing potentially illegal is stored in your hard drives. Spoken like a true TYRANT! |
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Originally Posted By jhud: So like. Was there anything official on what Bman did? If I wanted to get into similar work how do you avoid the troubles?? With a 07 and proper taxes, ITAR etc following the rules I’d hope the shit don’t happen to me or anyone that plays by the rules. You know they keep changing the rules so there's that. 
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Originally Posted By jhud: So like. Was there anything official on what Bman did? If I wanted to get into similar work how do you avoid the troubles?? With a 07 and proper taxes, ITAR etc following the rules I'd hope the shit don't happen to me or anyone that plays by the rules. |
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Originally Posted By jhud: So like. Was there anything official on what Bman did? If I wanted to get into similar work how do you avoid the troubles?? With a 07 and proper taxes, ITAR etc following the rules I’d hope the shit don’t happen to me or anyone that plays by the rules. Go back to page one and read the thread and the other(s) linked to it. Base your decision on the validity of the speculations posted and go from there. 
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