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Originally Posted By PepePewPew: The actual filings by the DOJ say he's guilty? OK, if the DOJ said in writing he's guilty, I believe them.  Originally Posted By PepePewPew: Originally Posted By Naporter: It was already covered in the thread regarding that that that article is very slanted and leaves out a lot of details. The actual filings showed they had a CI buy a saw cut PPSh receiver from him. That was the machinegun charge in the case. The actual filings by the DOJ say he's guilty? OK, if the DOJ said in writing he's guilty, I believe them. The conversation was about why they went after him. You've decided to read only a portion and lash out at a strawman. I stated that cut receivers were what they went after him for. Another refuted that. I stated that DoJ explicitly stated improperly cut receivers as the reason for the machinegun charge. As to guilt, that was decided in court, not by the DoJ, which you know. Doesn't excuse malfeasance by ATF or bias from the judge. |
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Originally Posted By Kuraki: On Weaponsguild they're saying "stolenboi studios" was arrested and "unseenkiller" raided. (I have no idea who either are) Originally Posted By Kuraki: Originally Posted By jm0502: Do you know which ones? On Weaponsguild they're saying "stolenboi studios" was arrested and "unseenkiller" raided. (I have no idea who either are) Desert3D designs is the 3rd one. |
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So much for the Trump DOinJustice coming through for us. Not Trump’s fault…the rogue minions are on their own program and haven’t had their peepees slapped for doing the JBT thing. I have cash to donate to his legal fund. Let’s get this shit GOING!! ETA: my wife and/or her cats will probably be be executed now, despite our voting for the wrong/correct candidate. |
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Originally Posted By 14BoltFF: I’ve heard the ATF does not like simulated third holes, even if it’s not actually a hole. Could he have gotten jammed up for something ridiculous like engraving a look-a-like sear pin? Example: https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/Braceman_is_done_with_my_80__check_it_out_/123-705193/ https://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj19/tom051876/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-11/F7C8AF5F-045F-42E1-8F42-19E6018D64EC_zpsc3nsjivp.jpg While I don't know him. I know this is in fact a basis for the ATF to claim it is a machine gun.. |
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Originally Posted By AK-12: It's difficult to get a straight answer from an organization that has dropped cases against people because they stood to lose when it was argued that the AR-15 doesn't have a receiver as defined by the GCA. Somewhere after drilling the pin holes and/or milling the FCG pocket it becomes a receiver. Engravings on the side have nothing to do with it. Where are you getting that he was receiving completed 80%s? The reality is the upper receiver is much more correct to meet the GCA . The atf made FNC owners mark the uppers ..probably about 8-10,000 guns. The ar-15 upper train has left the station. |
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Never had him do any grafting work for me though I had one I was going to send off to him. It was a Colt de-mil 9mm and I had talked to him a while back about trying to graft just the roll marks from one of the more recent demils since they crush the crap out of them. He didn’t know if he could do it but was willing to try. Shame, he seemed to do very high quality work and offered a service that nobody else did. |
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Originally Posted By Dakota_Don: So much for the Trump DOinJustice coming through for us. Not Trump’s fault…the rogue minions are on their own program and haven’t had their peepees slapped for doing the JBT thing. I have cash to donate to his legal fund. Let’s get this shit GOING!! ETA: my wife and/or her cats will probably be be executed now, despite our voting for the wrong/correct candidate. Yet this happened. Dropped the brace/SBR charge but is still jammed up with carrying a pistol in DC. https://www.ammoland.com/2025/04/nfa-charges-dropped-against-man-with-a-braced-pistol/ |
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Originally Posted By gurn-blanston: Must have been really important and on the "fast track" to take 9 years for the ATF to go after that simulated pin engraving. I think he stopped engraving those like 8 years ago too. Not sure that fake pin engraving is in the right spot anyway. Gotta make bust to keep that budget money coming . Inner city drive by shooter arrest don't make headlines . Like a builder of machine guns even if he built nothing . |
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Originally Posted By Into_the_Void: You drive your ass over there with a fruit plate and livestream it Originally Posted By Into_the_Void: Originally Posted By bigbore: Originally Posted By lazyengineer: so they flashbang raided his home, siezed his equipment (which likely was a bitch to move), and damaged his property - but no arrest or charges? Since you know him, and I guess he's home, can you just call him? I'm curious what they are hoping to achieve yanking his laith out. Is there an autosear inside it somewhere or something? I texted him, I never heard back. I don't know if he still has his cell. I'm not going to bug him. He's close by. If he wants to talk I'm sure he'll stop in the shop. You drive your ass over there with a fruit plate and livestream it I would drink with you sir - and I'm buying. |
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Originally Posted By jm0502: I think he stopped when US anodize got in trouble for having guns with the false pin engraved. It was the same time Troy came out with their retro line with exactly that and the ATF was fine with it. That may have been what put Brace on the radar. I know there were lowers he worked on that were involved in that mess that were sent to Victor by Brace's customers. |
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Originally Posted By PGT_0673: It’s not even a gun yet in those pics. It’s scrap metal I think he was referring to the incident at US Anodizing where the ATF confiscated a few lowers that were there for anodizing that had that engraving on it claiming it was a machine gun |
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Originally Posted By bigbore: That may have been what put Brace on the radar. I know there were lowers he worked on that were involved in that mess that were sent to Victor by Brace's customers. Originally Posted By bigbore: Originally Posted By jm0502: I think he stopped when US anodize got in trouble for having guns with the false pin engraved. It was the same time Troy came out with their retro line with exactly that and the ATF was fine with it. That may have been what put Brace on the radar. I know there were lowers he worked on that were involved in that mess that were sent to Victor by Brace's customers. This is the troubling part. It seems like enforcement practice focuses on NAMES! GIVE US NAMES! So they can then cascade going after other people. And at times, the desperate guy under the lights under duress starts naming anyone he can think of; like he's in a gulag. And next thing you know, a guy who did some engraving for chrissake has his family flashbang, kids traumatized for life, wife in tears, and his property stolen. And his local friends are all staying away. This type of enforcement practice without due-diligence investigation and without respectful discord with a non-threat suspect is not OK. |
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Originally Posted By lazyengineer: This is the troubling part. It seems like enforcement practice focuses on NAMES! GIVE US NAMES! So they can then cascade going after other people. And at times, the desperate guy under the lights under duress starts naming anyone he can think of; like he's in a gulag. And next thing you know, a guy who did some engraving for chrissake has his family flashbang, kids traumatized for life, wife in tears, and his property stolen. And his local friends are all staying away. This type of enforcement practice without due-diligence investigation and without respectful discord with a non-threat suspect is not OK. Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By bigbore: Originally Posted By jm0502: I think he stopped when US anodize got in trouble for having guns with the false pin engraved. It was the same time Troy came out with their retro line with exactly that and the ATF was fine with it. That may have been what put Brace on the radar. I know there were lowers he worked on that were involved in that mess that were sent to Victor by Brace's customers. This is the troubling part. It seems like enforcement practice focuses on NAMES! GIVE US NAMES! So they can then cascade going after other people. And at times, the desperate guy under the lights under duress starts naming anyone he can think of; like he's in a gulag. And next thing you know, a guy who did some engraving for chrissake has his family flashbang, kids traumatized for life, wife in tears, and his property stolen. And his local friends are all staying away. This type of enforcement practice without due-diligence investigation and without respectful discord with a non-threat suspect is not OK. ATF shot a woman holding a baby at Ruby Ridge. Just their SOP to do this shit. |
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Originally Posted By Bye_Felicia: FIFY. ATF framed Weaver to coerce him into becoming a CI and earning their paychecks for them, as an alternative to them earning their paychecks themselves. And then had to prosecute him when he refused. USMS murdered Sammy Weaver as a direct result of ATF shenanigans. FBI murdered Vicki because they had to double down after Sammy was murdered. |
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Originally Posted By PepePewPew: FIFY. ATF framed Weaver to coerce him into becoming a CI and earning their paychecks for them, as an alternative to them earning their paychecks themselves. And then had to prosecute him when he refused. USMS murdered Sammy Weaver as a direct result of ATF shenanigans. FBI murdered Vicki because they had to double down after Sammy was murdered. Originally Posted By PepePewPew: Originally Posted By Bye_Felicia: FIFY. ATF framed Weaver to coerce him into becoming a CI and earning their paychecks for them, as an alternative to them earning their paychecks themselves. And then had to prosecute him when he refused. USMS murdered Sammy Weaver as a direct result of ATF shenanigans. FBI murdered Vicki because they had to double down after Sammy was murdered. Damn, always mixing up my alphabet soup. |
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Originally Posted By bigbore: Not today. I spoke to another local today, and the consensus around here is someone who John did really cool work for was facing federal time threw him under the bus. I believe John was careful regarding the law to not do anything that would bring attention to himself. My money is on someone provided him with scrap metal demilled sections/paperweights which John cleaned up, but were later finished/assembled by the person I'm thinking of who had all their guns confiscated by the ATF in a raid a coupe years ago. Vickers? |
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Originally Posted By Dakota_Don: So much for the Trump DOinJustice coming through for us. Not Trump’s fault…the rogue minions are on their own program and haven’t had their peepees slapped for doing the JBT thing. I have cash to donate to his legal fund. Let’s get this shit GOING!! ETA: my wife and/or her cats will probably be be executed now, despite our voting for the wrong/correct candidate. Same here. Get a givesendgo going for him and I'm in to donate. |
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Originally Posted By dedreckon: Same here. Get a givesendgo going for him and I'm in to donate. No response to any of my txts. He either doesn't have his phone, or he is smart and not talking at all. Another customer stopped in who lives by John and said his neighbor has video of the event, showing a couple dozen ATF, DHS, and a helicopter all over the place. I did see a txt exchange stating the local police were told he was making machine gun parts and machine guns. Again, more conjecture but I did see that text message from a source that would have that info, and I believe the ATF would say that whether they had proof or not. |
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Originally Posted By Dakota_Don: So much for the Trump DOinJustice coming through for us. Not Trump’s fault…the rogue minions are on their own program and haven’t had their peepees slapped for doing the JBT thing. good grief the groveling.... The aft reports to the president. The buck stops there. Just when clinton, sleepy joe, bush and bush ran the show. Some of yall make john kerry seem steady and reliable with your level of flip-flopping Heck from now on why don't you good folks just post "trump dindu nuffin" and save the keystrokes and bandwidth. Lets really save y'all time "TDDN" (tm) will suffice |
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Originally Posted By bigbore: No response to any of my txts. He either doesn't have his phone, or he is smart and not talking at all. Another customer stopped in who lives by John and said his neighbor has video of the event, showing a couple dozen ATF, DHS, and a helicopter all over the place. I did see a txt exchange stating the local police were told he was making machine gun parts and machine guns. Again, more conjecture but I did see that text message from a source that would have that info, and I believe the ATF would say that whether they had proof or not. Originally Posted By bigbore: Originally Posted By dedreckon: Same here. Get a givesendgo going for him and I'm in to donate. No response to any of my txts. He either doesn't have his phone, or he is smart and not talking at all. Another customer stopped in who lives by John and said his neighbor has video of the event, showing a couple dozen ATF, DHS, and a helicopter all over the place. I did see a txt exchange stating the local police were told he was making machine gun parts and machine guns. Again, more conjecture but I did see that text message from a source that would have that info, and I believe the ATF would say that whether they had proof or not. Man, I hope someone reins in those overacting FATF retards. I'm sure you'll let us know if he needs and gets a fundraiser. |
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Originally Posted By the_AR-15_Junkie: He sure seems to have fallen out of favor with the 2A crowd, Originally Posted By the_AR-15_Junkie: Originally Posted By heavy260: Vickers? He sure seems to have fallen out of favor with the 2A crowd, Not really, it just depends on who you talk to. 2A Absolutists don’t have a problem with what he did. |
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Originally Posted By WyattOil: good grief the groveling.... The aft reports to the president. The buck stops there. Just when clinton, sleepy joe, bush and bush ran the show. Some of yall make john kerry seem steady and reliable with your level of flip-flopping Heck from now on why don't you good folks just post "trump dindu nuffin" and save the keystrokes and bandwidth. Lets really save y'all time "TDDN" (tm) will suffice So Trump ordered the raid? I did not know that. I want to rescind my vote and change it to Kameltoe Harryass, please! Thanks for setting the record straight, chief! |
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Originally Posted By Apec: Not really, it just depends on who you talk to. 2A Absolutists don’t have a problem with what he did. Originally Posted By Apec: Originally Posted By the_AR-15_Junkie: Originally Posted By heavy260: Vickers? He sure seems to have fallen out of favor with the 2A crowd, Not really, it just depends on who you talk to. 2A Absolutists don’t have a problem with what he did. 2A Absolutists who are OK with him engaging in business with an enemy nation, and turning evidence on a dime on everyone who ever touched him and helped him (like perhaps Braceman, for example)- you mean to also add. |
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Originally Posted By lazyengineer: 2A Absolutists who are OK with him engaging in business with an enemy nation, and turning evidence on a dime on everyone who ever touched him and helped him (like perhaps Braceman, for example)- you mean to also add. Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By Apec: Originally Posted By the_AR-15_Junkie: Originally Posted By heavy260: Vickers? He sure seems to have fallen out of favor with the 2A crowd, Not really, it just depends on who you talk to. 2A Absolutists don’t have a problem with what he did. 2A Absolutists who are OK with him engaging in business with an enemy nation, and turning evidence on a dime on everyone who ever touched him and helped him (like perhaps Braceman, for example)- you mean to also add. You’d lose your shit if you saw the diehard combloc collecting community then… there are shit tons of American collectors who still buy Russian parts out of Russia, paying Russian sellers/collectors today. I don’t really care. Is Vickers naming John Brace a fact or speculation? Regardless the ATF already had the names of everyone Larry worked with. It’s not like you can sign a form 6/3 or law letter anonymously, and they already accessed all his private communications. If you aren’t aware, Larry wasn’t actually the first guy they caught, and he wasn’t really on their radar… it was some stupid real estate trust fund baby in Nevada? who was flipping guns without a FFL, and he sent something to a FFL who reported it as an illegal SBR… ATF dug deep and found connections to LAVs network, then it spiraled from there. |
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Originally Posted By Apec: You’d lose your shit if you saw the diehard combloc collecting community then… there are shit tons of American collectors who still buy Russian parts out of Russia, paying Russian sellers/collectors today. I don’t really care. Is Vickers naming John Brace a fact or speculation? Regardless the ATF already had the names of everyone Larry worked with. It’s not like you can sign a form 6/3 or law letter anonymously, and they already accessed all his private communications. If you aren’t aware, Larry wasn’t actually the first guy they caught, and he wasn’t really on their radar… it was some stupid real estate trust fund baby in Nevada? who was flipping guns without a FFL, and he sent something to a FFL who reported it as an illegal SBR… ATF dug deep and found connections to LAVs network, then it spiraled from there. Originally Posted By Apec: Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By Apec: Originally Posted By the_AR-15_Junkie: Originally Posted By heavy260: Vickers? He sure seems to have fallen out of favor with the 2A crowd, Not really, it just depends on who you talk to. 2A Absolutists don’t have a problem with what he did. 2A Absolutists who are OK with him engaging in business with an enemy nation, and turning evidence on a dime on everyone who ever touched him and helped him (like perhaps Braceman, for example)- you mean to also add. You’d lose your shit if you saw the diehard combloc collecting community then… there are shit tons of American collectors who still buy Russian parts out of Russia, paying Russian sellers/collectors today. I don’t really care. Is Vickers naming John Brace a fact or speculation? Regardless the ATF already had the names of everyone Larry worked with. It’s not like you can sign a form 6/3 or law letter anonymously, and they already accessed all his private communications. If you aren’t aware, Larry wasn’t actually the first guy they caught, and he wasn’t really on their radar… it was some stupid real estate trust fund baby in Nevada? who was flipping guns without a FFL, and he sent something to a FFL who reported it as an illegal SBR… ATF dug deep and found connections to LAVs network, then it spiraled from there. That's a white wash, and if you know enough to know that- you know its a white wash. They dude was engaging in promotional transaction with a Russian arms Manufacturer knowing he was violating State Department, and it was a bit more than just another collector getting a part. Combined with he built his entire empire based on being a bad ass Spec Forces badass - part of which is supposed to be bad ass counter interrogation and compromise training. and he folded damned quick turning in lots of people. If ATF already had everything they needed, then why interogate him and cut him leniency for his turning people in? And here we are talking about his name in this thread. Did he actually finger Braceman as one of his sacrafices? probably not, if I had to guess - but maybe. It's not off the table. I'd be more forgiving - but that dude was knowing playing fuck-fuck games and then burned down everyone he knew when it inevitably blew up in his face. And did so in a manner completely counter to the entire persona of bad-ass tough guy he was capitalizing on the whole time. And he built and nurtured and capitalized on sycophants like a Cult of Personality; who would berate people who questioned. So yea - fuck that guy. |
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Originally Posted By Gunslinger-Mike: +1 We all should try to keep threads on the topic. In this thread here specualtion or GD does not help. I think we have to wait. I hope that it will be posted here IF someone has solid information about Braceman that can be shared. I’m monitoring thread to see if a defense Go Fund Me pops up. And to hopefully eventually find out whether this was little more than a SWATting under color of law. So if thread drift keeps this from going into archive it isn’t too bothersome to me. |
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Originally Posted By Gunslinger-Mike: +1 We all should try to keep threads on the topic. In this thread here specualtion or GD does not help. I think we have to wait. I hope that it will be posted here IF someone has solid information about Braceman that can be shared. Bigbore has had the only relative information to share regarding the subject. Although it isspeculation , it keeps the awareness active. Is there a thread in GD? From my limited scope on Internet gun and even retro forums, here is the only place I have read about this. He has a pretty wide respected reputation across many forms. I would also assume that he has read this thread since he's active here |
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Originally Posted By Strela: Tech seems to becoming more GD every day. This thread is so active that it keeps popping up I’m in the active topics list. I’ve read this whole thread and just assumed it was in GD. Other people may have made the same mistake. |
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Originally Posted By Bye_Felicia: ATF shot a woman holding a baby at Ruby Ridge. Just their SOP to do this shit. Originally Posted By Bye_Felicia: Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By bigbore: Originally Posted By jm0502: I think he stopped when US anodize got in trouble for having guns with the false pin engraved. It was the same time Troy came out with their retro line with exactly that and the ATF was fine with it. That may have been what put Brace on the radar. I know there were lowers he worked on that were involved in that mess that were sent to Victor by Brace's customers. This is the troubling part. It seems like enforcement practice focuses on NAMES! GIVE US NAMES! So they can then cascade going after other people. And at times, the desperate guy under the lights under duress starts naming anyone he can think of; like he's in a gulag. And next thing you know, a guy who did some engraving for chrissake has his family flashbang, kids traumatized for life, wife in tears, and his property stolen. And his local friends are all staying away. This type of enforcement practice without due-diligence investigation and without respectful discord with a non-threat suspect is not OK. ATF shot a woman holding a baby at Ruby Ridge. Just their SOP to do this shit. That was the FBI. US Marshall's service had already murdered her son. ATF framed her husband by getting him to cut a stock so that the OAL was less than 26". |
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Originally Posted By Apec: You'd lose your shit if you saw the diehard combloc collecting community then there are shit tons of American collectors who still buy Russian parts out of Russia, paying Russian sellers/collectors today. I don't really care. Is Vickers naming John Brace a fact or speculation? Regardless the ATF already had the names of everyone Larry worked with. It's not like you can sign a form 6/3 or law letter anonymously, and they already accessed all his private communications. If you aren't aware, Larry wasn't actually the first guy they caught, and he wasn't really on their radar it was some stupid real estate trust fund baby in Nevada? who was flipping guns without a FFL, and he sent something to a FFL who reported it as an illegal SBR ATF dug deep and found connections to LAVs network, then it spiraled from there. |
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